Social circle game guys aren't getting laid as much as you think.

[CornbreadFed]

Every social circle I knew involved people dating amongst each other and other secret sh!t going on that nobody knew about like people hooking up on the DL that eventually came to light.

Okay I will further explain, and I can't quote yours & @Manure Spherian at the same time either.

You can still be in a social circle not receive sex or be part of the vortex relationships that occur. The women are usually sharing the high value men in this situation not everyone gets a turnround. You still have to have game/frame/personality or whatever you abide by and maintain yourself. In other words, If you are an overall repulsive or average boring guy to women, being in a social circle is not going to magically change you into a chick magnet. However, a social circle gives a man the perfect situation to glow up and see the results faster and better. I know plenty of guys that were meh to women and later down the road became more attractive and the girls in the group flocked to him.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Okay I will further explain, and I can't quote yours & @Manure Spherian at the same time either.

You can still be in a social circle not receive sex or be part of the vortex relationships that occur. The women are usually sharing the high value men in this situation not everyone gets a turnround. You still have to have game/frame/personality or whatever you abide by and maintain yourself. In other words, If you are an overall repulsive or average boring guy to women, being in a social circle is not going to magically change you into a chick magnet. However, a social circle gives a man the perfect situation to glow up and see the results faster and better. I know plenty of guys that were meh to women and later down the road became more attractive and the girls in the group flocked to him.

Correct.

The social circles in the late 90s and early 2000s in one of the boroughs of NYC I grew up around consisted of attractive, socially savvy, gym-going, wealthy-parent-having people engaged in tournament style dating. These were the days in which people hardly anyone ever “approached” because they didn’t need to. Another faction that had a cartel over the sexual market were criminals, gang members, and scumbags.

 

[jhonny9546]

I grew up in social circles, so it won't surprise you to learn that my first social group consisted of four girls. They presented themselves as "close friends," but deep down, they seemed to hate each other.
I've been with all 4.

The girls in my social circles seems always interested in guys who were popular or "DJs" from other groups. Single guys weren't necessarily looked down upon, but if you were attractive and they liked you, the assumption was that you were secretly involved with women. On the other hand, if you were single and considered unattractive, you were often seen as an outsider.
It only took a little pre-selection or social proof for even the least attractive guy to become the "DJ."

Women can be quite predictable in their behavior, especially when you observe their interactions, it's amazing how simple their motivations can seem. After I got two tattoos, improved my physique, and gained some social proof, (I've actually made friends with another men, which was having massime social proof and preselection), you wouldn't believe how many old female friends contacted me to see "how I was doing".
I'm pretty sure they were talking about "my success" with other women. That was a snowballing effect for me.

But after all this going on, I changed my mind and I told myself I need to find resilience in community. Don't get me wrong, being alone and free to call a plate is so good, but I found out You also need some community to share your life with.
I'm currently seeking stable and community-driven social circles. Do you think being perceived as a "player" or a "DJ" would negatively impact my social life in those groups? I think that men might see me as a threat, and women might superficially adopt that perception to align with the men in their social circle. However, I also suspect women in those social circle desire me on a deeper level. I don't think that it's just a perception.

I think that playing the "nice guy" role will help you enter and stay long term in those circles

 

[Travel memoir21]

Sometimes it's not always about getting laid.

Some guys here wants a Quality relationship with a Decent woman.

I'd rather go the Social Circle route of maybe getting into a Church, Yoga or Culinary Arts/ Fine and Crafts class meet up than go clubbing every weekend hoping to get into a relationship.

Relationships are tough, There's a good quote by Pook it's like a couple in a boat surviving in a storm and the bond just got stronger over time. That's how it's suppose to be.

You want a relationship, you better get a Strong woman. The best place to do that is finding Quality Searching Grounds where you can find her.

 

[kavi]

I grew up in social circles, so it won't surprise you to learn that my first social group consisted of four girls. They presented themselves as "close friends," but deep down, they seemed to hate each other.
I've been with all 4.

The girls in my social circles seems always interested in guys who were popular or "DJs" from other groups. Single guys weren't necessarily looked down upon, but if you were attractive and they liked you, the assumption was that you were secretly involved with women. On the other hand, if you were single and considered unattractive, you were often seen as an outsider.
It only took a little pre-selection or social proof for even the least attractive guy to become the "DJ."

Women can be quite predictable in their behavior, especially when you observe their interactions, it's amazing how simple their motivations can seem. After I got two tattoos, improved my physique, and gained some social proof, (I've actually made friends with another men, which was having massime social proof and preselection), you wouldn't believe how many old female friends contacted me to see "how I was doing".
I'm pretty sure they were talking about "my success" with other women. That was a snowballing effect for me.

But after all this going on, I changed my mind and I told myself I need to find resilience in community. Don't get me wrong, being alone and free to call a plate is so good, but I found out You also need some community to share your life with.
I'm currently seeking stable and community-driven social circles. Do you think being perceived as a "player" or a "DJ" would negatively impact my social life in those groups? I think that men might see me as a threat, and women might superficially adopt that perception to align with the men in their social circle. However, I also suspect women in those social circle desire me on a deeper level. I don't think that it's just a perception.

I think that playing the "nice guy" role will help you enter and stay long term in those circles

Yes this is a good strategy. You should use your skills to attract women, and men into a social group and make it grow. This strategy as you say is not just about getting laid but more about the actual community driven social interaction. An attractive and calibrated guy who women like should makr himself the centre of social groups. This is like Pimp Game. But you have to keep ppl under control. You cannot look to others to lead and be centre of the group, it should be the most desirable guy who uses 'game' to maintain the social group.

 

[jhonny9546]

But you have to keep ppl under control.

My ultimate goal is to connect with people. Everyone has both positive and negative qualities, strengths and weaknesses. I want to share experiences with them, because I know that being alone you will feel that craving to share your life in company soon or later. It's not about being lonely, but anyone who has gone throught that route will understand.
My aim isn't to create or join groups to control others. Naturally, if I were running a book club, I wouldn't invite people who sell cocaine. The goal is to demonstrate that you can lead without dominating or speaking negatively about others, even if others do so, you don't have to.
Just be there, have fun, if you are really incompatible, leave.

 

[kavi]

My ultimate goal is to connect with people. Everyone has both positive and negative qualities, strengths and weaknesses. I want to share experiences with them, because I know that being alone you will feel that craving to share your life in company soon or later. It's not about being lonely, but anyone who has gone throught that route will understand.
My aim isn't to create or join groups to control others. Naturally, if I were running a book club, I wouldn't invite people who sell cocaine. The goal is to demonstrate that you can lead without dominating or speaking negatively about others, even if others do so, you don't have to.
Just be there, have fun, if you are really incompatible, leave.

Ok im saying this for you and others incase anyone cares. I understand your sentiment about not wanting to control others. But heres the thing. In the world there are different types of people. Higher ones and lower ones is one way to put it. Now for social groups to function the leader ie alpha male, which will be like a glue that holds it all together cannot just be there to have fun. This is because in any group there will be those who can cause problems. For the leader it is his job to keep the group on the right track, this is why a social leader cannot just be there for fun and friendship but must work to maintain the group. Some people may call this 'controlling' behaviour but whichever way they call it it is necessary for some people in the social group to keep it on track and this is not just fun but it can be a difficult task.

 

[SW15]

Social circles are prime for LTRs and a wife but usually bad for getting laid.

This is the whole point of social circles. The men who use social circle game are primarily seeking longer term relationships at a minimum. In those longer term relationships, they might even want to see if a woman is worthy of marriage at some point. They are often seeking someone who could be a wife and mother.

Most of these are men with a Pleasure of Sex orientation.

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With Pleasure of Sex men, there are both alpha/sigma Pleasure of Sex men and beta Pleasure of Sex men.

For Thrill of the Hunt men, it would be unlikely that a beta male would fall into this. Most sigma males aren't that motivated by hunting either, but it is more possible.

The guys who use social circles best aren't the ones motivated by notches and variety.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

That's because most of them display unattractive "nice guy" traits which turn women off instead of of on.

 

[SW15]

Having a strong social circle can compensate for middling levels of seduction ability.

A mid-tier looking male with a blue pill ideology (a common beta male) is far more likely to end up in some extended relationship if he's entrenched in some social circle as compared to sending DMs on social media, using swipe apps, or approaching strangers in real life.

 

[maturin]

I'm just connecting dots and throwing in some guesses, with what he has said publicly.

He was DJ at strip club. I am assuming he later was a club promoter (after military) and leveled up to bring girls to bikini competitions. Somewhere along the way met guys likes of Bilzerian and Tai Lopez. Kind of zeroed in on red-pill as way to milk money of some chumps. Roped in Rollo, who also would like a good payout after couple of decades in RP, to gain credibility and foothold. Most of the girls that go to his show are OF girls, strippers, etc. Sartain built persona around his promoter background and selling his stuff.

This guy is a classic grifter using SS as the hook. It's kind of like that new technical indicator a trading guru is ready to share with the world. Even Copper, Mr build yourself up, didn't jump on the SS bandwagon.

SS has lots of problems with it. The Duke hit on the main ones. But like anything it's a hierarchy. And the guys who fall to the bottom are just in another friendzone situation. I've seen it dozens of times. A good friend of mine had lots of social circles but was always somewhere at the bottom with no girls interested in him romantically. Hes the guy thatnever gets the girl. Do they make movies about those guys. From college into adulthood. He'd show up week after week with this group and just be there as the nice guy I guess. I blame him for being a fool and having such little social awareness.

I've seen this play out with dozens of guys, starting in college and later law school, who hangout with women. Imo it's a huge mistake. Med students are big on this and are often beta friend zone types who later get interest as providers from chick's who Fz them years before.