so now fat chicks are beautiful ... msn article .. wtf?!?

[Maxtro]

But no one has commented on the PHOTO of the woman in question! Is the girl in the OP's first message too fat...or acceptable?

Here's another article about her.

What really stands out to me is that she's 5'11 and 180 lbs. The fact that she weighs more than me is a huge red flag. Since she is a very tall woman I googled healthy weight calculator and this popped up when I entered 5'11 female.

According to your height of 5' 11" your ideal healthy weight is 160 pounds. Your recommended weight range is between 143 and 178 pounds.

Basically she is 20 lbs overweight. So yes she is too fat. BTW here is a link to the calculator Of course age is not taken into account. Most people get heavier as they age. Since she is only 20 she's definitely heavier than she should be.

Point 2: In order to compete with similar women in meeting the physical standards of a given demographic of men, women must create physical methods in order to compensate for this deficit. Thus they have make up, cosmetic surgery, high-heels, hair dye, etc.

Point 3: Failing this, sociological and psychological constructs are necessary to 'level the playing field' in the sexual marketplace. Thus, fat, out of shape women attempt to convince men to feel ashamed for wanting a physically superior female by converting that desire into shame. It becomes superficiality. Likewise, older women who's sexual marketability wanes with every passing year, must create social constructs that praises the sexual prowess of older women.

This article is nothing new. Women have been trying to convince themselves for centuries that there's more to sexual attraction than physical appeal, and for centuries this method has been thwarted by simple male biology. Rather than play the game better, they attempt to change the rules of the game to better fit their own limitations in a variety of ways.

Great points. I fear the day that society uses guilt to force men to believe that fat women are desirable and any man that doesn't do so is branded a pig.

Most male sexual fetishes are a direct result of men playing into these social conventions. The ironic thing is that women actually have a higher standard of physical acceptability than men. Need evidence? Try to find a parallel to the "chubby chasers" fetish of men in women. There are no online dating services that cater to in shape women specifically seeking out obese men. While men's fetishes periodically shift, women's physical standards for men remain almost static throughout history.

Interesting point.

I think it comes down to the fact that men simply have lower standards then women or they do not have qualms about lowering those standards. Most men will take whatever they can get if it means that passing it up would leave them with nothing. Since vagina is perceived to have more value, women do not have to lower their standards since most of them can get any man of their choosing. It's not uncommon to find a big woman with an in-shape man. It's much more rare to see a big man with an in-shape woman, such a thing usually only occurs on TV.

 

[sodbuster]

For the skinny guys-check out starvation mode diet on the net.BOTH metabolisms slow down,but the obese person burns more fat and loses less muscle than the skinny person. Therefore a fat person will live longer and keep more muscle than a thin person.

 

[muscleman]

Until they have a heart attack.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The ironic thing is that women actually have a higher standard of physical acceptability than men.

Throughout history there have always been fetishisms. Reubenesque women were large, Chinese nobel women were required to squash their feet into 2 inch wide shoes and some African women of high status wear necklaces that enlongate their necks. However these phenomenon are less about physical beauty standards as they are about social status. Large women in the Renaissance or Baroque periods were regarded with higher status not because they were fat, but this fat indicated they weren't low-born peasants. Similarly white, pallid skin at the time indicated a woman was of nobility class since she obviously wasn't working in the fields under the sun all day. All of this is reflected in the high-art of the period, which of course was commissioned by these wealthy, noble class patrons.

In men however, the physical standard for attraction for women has remained almost entirely constant throughout history. From our earliest history well defined muscularity has been the standard. The physical demands and effort necessary to achieve a peak masculine condition are FAR greater for men than women. The muscular development that physically defines a top tier male requires years of dedicated investment, whereas for women the lines of what is or isn't sexually attractive to a male is, by social design, arbitrary and subject to change. A woman can enhance her sex appeal with cosmetics, her dress, etc. to a much greater degree than men can.

 

[Energizer]

Until they have a heart attack.

:crackup:

 

[Hot Ice Casanova]

Lol I've seen plenty of fat chicks that I would consider HOT. And yes I mean FAT chicks, not skinny chicks like Miller with a little bit of belly flab. She is not "big" at all IMO.

BUT another thing I notice is that SCORES of PUAs and DJs are chasing after skinny chicks (not normal skinny either, but like TOOTHPICK skinny), some of the girls that Mystery lacks look unhealthily thin.

Now I get that fat chicks are not the preference of most seducers (just like they are not the ideal "dream girl" of most AFCs) but before you diss all fat chicks as ugly and disgusting, ask yourself HOW MUCH of that belief was programmed into your head by social conditioning?

How many of us REALLY find even young, wrinkle-free fat chicks utterly revolting out of our OWN volition, and HOW MANY OF US simply dislike fat chicks because the media tends to insult and degrade them?

IMO our current western standards of beauty are FVCKED UP! Every time I see Miss USA and similar pageants, or "America's next Top Model" I want to throw these chicks in a freezing lake in Alaska so they learn to stop starving themselves so damn much! I mean, every fashion or pageant show you see, ALL the women are skin and bone. they have NO real curves, a skinny MAN has more thighs and cleavage than most of these chicks.

Of course it COULD be that most fashion designers are GAY and prefer female models that looks like skinny pre-pubescent boys with little mosquito bites on their flat chests.... but all that aside, if you compare today with say even a recent decade like the 70s, the preference for ANOREXIC women (which I simply can't understand) has totally gone overboard.

Seriously I think MOST of us hate fat chicks because we've been raised to hate them practically from birth by the media that makes people hate their bodies so they can go out and buy into this consumerist SCAM of fad diets, pills, and a gazillion other tricks to lose weight. The consumerism of the diet industry does NOT make people any healthier, in fact it puts a huge amount of stress on the body.

I've been with fat chicks that eat just as healthy as any skinny chick, and can run TWICE as far - they are just naturally plump, and I have no interest in forcing them to change that. Of course the fact they they also have a larger frame than your typical petite bar slut also probably helps.

My ideal of female beauty definitely tends towards plump curves. And NO I don't mean Tyra Banks or J. Lo. I mean REAL CURVES, like you would see in a renaissance painting or even more than that (most renaissance nudes tend to be a bit small-chested but they have nice hip width sometimes).

 

[muscleman]

Where to start ...

Lol I've seen plenty of fat chicks that I would consider HOT. And yes I mean FAT chicks, not skinny chicks like Miller with a little bit of belly flab. She is not "big" at all IMO.

You're a chubby chaser. Doesn't mean "most" of us are.

BUT another thing I notice is that SCORES of PUAs and DJs are chasing after skinny chicks (not normal skinny either, but like TOOTHPICK skinny), some of the girls that Mystery lacks look unhealthily thin.

I agree some girls are nasty skinny. I prefer the porn star look and the fit chick look (either slight definition with curves or slight curves with definition).

Now I get that fat chicks are not the preference of most seducers (just like they are not the ideal "dream girl" of most AFCs) but before you diss all fat chicks as ugly and disgusting, ask yourself HOW MUCH of that belief was programmed into your head by social conditioning?

How many of us REALLY find even young, wrinkle-free fat chicks utterly revolting out of our OWN volition, and HOW MANY OF US simply dislike fat chicks because the media tends to insult and degrade them?

You're still a chubby chaser. Throughout history fat chicks haven't exactly been the top choice for "most" guys like you seem to suggest, media or no media.

IMO our current western standards of beauty are FVCKED UP! Every time I see Miss USA and similar pageants, or "America's next Top Model" I want to throw these chicks in a freezing lake in Alaska so they learn to stop starving themselves so damn much! I mean, every fashion or pageant show you see, ALL the women are skin and bone. they have NO real curves, a skinny MAN has more thighs and cleavage than most of these chicks.

Of course it COULD be that most fashion designers are GAY and prefer female models that looks like skinny pre-pubescent boys with little mosquito bites on their flat chests.... but all that aside, if you compare today with say even a recent decade like the 70s, the preference for ANOREXIC women (which I simply can't understand) has totally gone overboard.

Agree again - some chicks are nasty skinny. Doesn't mean you have to go to extremes though: either anorexic or obese. There are plenty of hot girls in-between.

Seriously I think MOST of us hate fat chicks because we've been raised to hate them practically from birth by the media that makes people hate their bodies so they can go out and buy into this consumerist SCAM of fad diets, pills, and a gazillion other tricks to lose weight. The consumerism of the diet industry does NOT make people any healthier, in fact it puts a huge amount of stress on the body.

I've been with fat chicks that eat just as healthy as any skinny chick, and can run TWICE as far - they are just naturally plump, and I have no interest in forcing them to change that. Of course the fact they they also have a larger frame than your typical petite bar slut also probably helps.

My ideal of female beauty definitely tends towards plump curves. And NO I don't mean Tyra Banks or J. Lo. I mean REAL CURVES, like you would see in a renaissance painting or even more than that (most renaissance nudes tend to be a bit small-chested but they have nice hip width sometimes).

Wow. First off ... there's isn't a single person on this planet who was born fat and who is destined to be fat their entire life. Yes, different people have different frames, genetic predispositions, metabolisms, health conditions, etc, but not one of them is fat and can't do anything about it. Some people may never be able to reach an anorexic-looking state, but they don't have to break the scale either. Obesity is a choice.

Yes most diet pills, etc are worthless ... without exercise. I'd like to meet these marathon running big girls. Please. Also, eating healthy doesn't mean you're gonna lose weight. Weight gain/loss is all about calories in vs. calories out; it's very simple math. Eating 4000 calories of veggies isn't going to make you lose any more weight than eating 4000 calories of fried chicken.

As for the diet industry putting stress on the body - do you think McDonald's puts any less stress on a person?

PS. You all need to STFU about Renaissance fat chicks. It wasn't attractive; it was patronage. At a time when food wasn't readily available "plumpness" was a sign of wealth (when all the hot girls were starving maids) ... and guess who paid artists to paint them?

 

[PeeGee]

Writing an article, having a fat acceptance movement, and putting fatties on billboards to advertise for things will not make me attracted to them.

If you are attracted to heavier than average (and the american average is already bordering on obese) then all the power to you, but you cannot convince me to change my views.

Which is too bad because they're healthy, sane, and 'real' women just like the rest. But I'm not going to do acts of charity when I don't have to.

 

[huanic]

i see what the article is saying new york city sian escorts about big women being more successful at producing new york city asian escort healthy off spring, but realistically in my opinion 90% of new york city escorts intercourse that takes place, the guy isnt looking to reproduce, so new york city escort how can this be something desireable?

 

[muscleman]

Which is too bad because they're healthy, sane, and 'real' women just like the rest. But I'm not going to do acts of charity when I don't have to.

Being obese is healthy?

 

[Hot Ice Casanova]

Where to start ...

You're a chubby chaser. Doesn't mean "most" of us are.

.........

Agree again - some chicks are nasty skinny. Doesn't mean you have to go to extremes though: either anorexic or obese. There are plenty of hot girls in-between.

Haha I know I'm a chubby chaser! Though I'm not EXCLUSIVELY a chubby chaser, but you basically get the idea. I'm a DJ first, a chubby chaser second.

I'm not encouraging anyone else to be chubby chaser or trying to change them.... if they want to that's fine but you KNOW we don't like competition (lolz). So if you like skinny girls that's fine too. In fact that makes a good wing combo - one guy that's a chubby chaser and one that's not - since the fatties often go out with skinny friends, statistically it's inevitable. And you KNOW the fat chick will hit on you OR try to CB you unless your wing handles her. But just because a girl is fat, doesn't make her a McDonald's addict or what have you. Yeah, the ghetto fat chicks eat nothing but McDonalds. But the classy ones wouldn't touch it. You won't know this until you've sarged and banged a few.

It's true most guys are not chubby chasers and weren't in the past either, but the media IS to blame for fvcking up the "beauty standard" accepted publicly from a slightly plump "normal" figure of old-school celebrities like Bettie Paige and Jane Russell to these disgusting toothpick girls we see on pageants and various TV shows today. You DO have to admit that the trend has been getting abnormally thin. Size zero is not sexy to me, and I don't think most dudes are turned on by it either... though we do see lots of over-hyped PUA "gurus" only going after such spindly girls.