SMV and age difference

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Women hit their SMV peak 18-26 and it slowly goes downhill from there year by year. A 22-year-old woman who is just considered "cute" will still have plenty of options from men her age and much older men since men unconsciously value youth and beauty in women since it is tied to fertility.

I was at a higher end bar last night and the hottest women inside were those 21 to 25, fresh faced beauty.

A man's SMV can peak anywhere from 35 to 50 and then slowly decline from there.

As for age difference, it is not so black and white.

Some women don't care about your age and don't give it much thought (within reasonable limits, let's say 15 years difference)

Some women are turned on by men 10 to 20 years older and will purposely seek these men out

Some women are turned off by men more than 5 years older and will think you're a creep for giving them attention no matter how attractive you are for your age.
 

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I disagree. The typical 35-50 year old man is a pussie beggar chasing women near his own age. That's not a peak.
If we're talking about men of any age, aren't most of them "***** beggars"? I guess at least the younger guy is getting with younger women that are his own age, so there's an advantage there. But I thought the idea of this forum was to rise above the typical.
 

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I don't know what your point is supposed to be? A man's 'sexual market value' :rolleyes: is related to his age in years?
 

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I haven't even reached 35, yet my looks have gone downhill. No way is 35-50 a man's peak SMV.
Yes, but your mistake is you are thinking attraction works the same for women than it does for men.

A woman will not be turned off by your crows feet around your eyes and your greys coming in.

Men are attracted to youth and beauty first and foremost. Women are attracted to confidence, social status, maturity.

Look at a mature looking George Clooney compared to a young looking Clooney in his 20s. The mature Clooney looks distinguished.

Of course, if you are a 45 year old and you are far, then a woman will be turned off

The most important thing and older man can do to (looks wise) is to stay in top notch physical shape.
 

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I don't know what your point is supposed to be? A man's 'sexual market value' :rolleyes: is related to his age in years?
Up to a point, about 50ish.

Yes, because woman are attracted to maturity, confidence and status in men, not his clear glowing youthful skin.

It makes sense, since a man's attractiveness is not tied into youthfulness since we don't bear children.
 

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Additionally, a woman's SMV can vary. It isn't always 18-26.

Here's Naomi Watts at 22

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Here's Naomi Watts at 33

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She was clearly hotter at 33.

For extra measure, here she was at 44

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Even at 44, she was hotter than she was at 22 (whether she was hotter at 33 vs 44, on the other hand, is open for discussion)
 

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Yes, but your mistake is you are thinking attraction works the same for women than it does for men.

A woman will not be turned off by your crows feet around your eyes and your greys coming in.

Men are attracted to youth and beauty first and foremost. Women are attracted to confidence, social status, maturity.

Look at a mature looking George Clooney compared to a young looking Clooney in his 20s. The mature Clooney looks distinguished.

Of course, if you are a 45 year old and you are far, then a woman will be turned off

The most important thing and older man can do to (looks wise) is to stay in top notch physical shape.
Since I'm already greying (and wrinkling), that's good to hear a woman won't be turned off by that stuff.
 

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Additionally, a woman's SMV can vary. It isn't always 18-26.

Here's Naomi Watts at 22

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Here's Naomi Watts at 33

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She was clearly hotter at 33.

For extra measure, here she was at 44

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Even at 44, she was hotter than she was at 22 (whether she was hotter at 33 vs 44, on the other hand, is open for discussion)
Are you sure that pic at 22 is even Naomi Watts?

If it is, she clearly had some help from a plastic surgeon or maxillofacial surgeon (jaw surgery) that improved her facial attractiveness.
 

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Anyone who is living with the delusion that men have a higher SMV at 35+ is going to be sorely disappointed when they reach that age. I say that because nobody who is that age range would ever believe that nonsense so it's gotta be young guys who have sold themselves on the idea that, yeah things suck now but just wait til I hit 40!. Yes if you're a famous and/or rich guy the age thing isn't relevant and it can even be better for older guys if they are excellent shape and aren't total morons when dealing with women, but for the other 98% of men over 40 their best chances of bagging hot under 25 year olds are way back in their rear view mirror. Your best change of landing girls like that are when you're under 30, and ideally under 25. And even the most average woman at 50 has a higher SMV than almost any man. Sorry to have to let you know whatever you're reading is total BS but better you find out now and go find someone than wait til you're too old to have any chance with most of them.
 

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Yes, because woman are attracted to maturity, confidence and status in men, not his clear glowing youthful skin.
Well, I found attracting women became progressively easier with every passing decade, but I also think in every passing decade women were attracted to me for different reasons. Not so much my age, but my vibe or what you call maturity. And whether it becomes easier because my experience makes me more socially skilled or because the women I attract now are different from the women I attracted decades ago, I cannot say.
Frankly, I think that women are partially attracted to me because I'm not easily impressed and women need to earn my attention and validation. Appearance is not enough for me anymore. I'm not content without content.
 

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Well, I found attracting women became progressively easier with every passing decade, but I also think in every passing decade women were attracted to me for different reasons. Not so much my age, but my vibe or what you call maturity. And whether it becomes easier because my experience makes me more socially skilled or because the women I attract now are different from the women I attracted decades ago, I cannot say.
Frankly, I think that women are partially attracted to me because I'm not easily impressed and women need to earn my attention and validation. Appearance is not enough for me anymore. I'm not content without content.
How old are you and are you attracting younger women?
 

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Women definitely peak relatively young and generally don't really age that well. By the time a woman is 25-27, she is very likely locked into a long term relationship and considering marriage, children within the next few years or so.

IF a woman is still single as she is approaching 30, she is in a very bad predicament. With her biological clock ticking, she needs to filter through prospects and find a suitable partner that she can have kids with. Something more common now that I'm noticing, which I've discussed with @SW15 , is that many Millennial women were brainwashed into the career woman/boss ***** role. Basically, these women become highly successful in college and their careers, but dating take a back seat OR they are just too damn fussy for their own good that they end up perpetually single. They might be so bad that they are still single and childless past 35 even and they go into panic mode. I can cite one really good example of a woman I know/know of that was just like this. What ended up happening is she hit 40 and literally had what I call a panic baby with a guy that was a total loser from what I heard lol. I actually think this is going to become increasingly more prevalent in the coming years, kind of sad how warped many women are today.

Now, going back to men.

Men typically become more attractive to women overall as they get older compared to when they are very young, but for different reasons. A lot of it has to do with social skills and confidence for sure, the average 18-21 year old guy is not going out there pulling left and right like he is a chad lol. Things like money and lifestyle are definitely factors to consider, some broke college student or a guy that is an apprentice electrician or enlisted in the military aren't able to provide this. As a man gets into his mid to late 20s he should have these variables sorted out, at least to some extent.

However, at 30+ I feel the issue is more related to the ability to attract younger women and not so much those other variables I mentioned above. At 30-40 a man can definitely date women that are 25-30 but it's not as easy as the trolls on here make it. The biggest variable in my opinion is how well a man took care of himself, how fit he is, etc. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of guys that are 30+ are already overweight or even obese. This is something you can work on for sure, but it honestly takes a lot of consistent effort over years. I'm exceptionally fit/strong for someone my age, I'm almost 35, and I consider myself a huge outlier. At ANY gym you rarely see guys that are 30+ at a fitness level that is overall noticeable above average or better. Many gym bros and very fit men slowly start fading away from the scene by the time they are 25, by 30 and over it's very unusual. So, in the big picture only a tiny number of men that are in the 30+ age bracket are in this category, so it's not worth considering.

In addition to all of this, we aren't even factoring in things you can't control (balding, grey hairs, etc.).

The reality is that unless you are very wealthy/willing to spend a lot of money OR exceptionally fit/attractive.......you are going to find that dating becomes MORE difficult with age and not less. In an ideal scenario, a man is better off finding a woman by the time he is in his mid to late 20s who is a few years younger, settling down, etc.
 
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Women definitely peak relatively young and generally don't really age that well. By the time a woman is 25-27, she is very likely locked into a long term relationship and considering marriage, children within the next few years or so.

IF a woman is still single as she is approaching 30, she is in a very bad predicament. With her biological clock ticking, she needs to filter through prospects and find a suitable partner that she can have kids with. Something more common now that I'm noticing, which I've discussed with @SW15 , is that many Millennial women were brainwashed into the career woman/boss ***** role. Basically, these women become highly successful in college and their careers, but dating take a back seat OR they are just too damn fussy for their own good that they end up perpetually single. They might be so bad that they are still single and childless past 35 even and they go into panic mode. I can cite one really good example of a woman I know/know of that was just like this. What ended up happening is she hit 40 and literally had what I call a panic baby with a guy that was a total loser from what I heard lol. I actually think this is going to become increasingly more prevalent in the coming years, kind of sad how warped many women are today.

Now, going back to men.

Men typically become more attractive to women overall as they get older compared to when they are very young, but for different reasons. A lot of it has to do with social skills and confidence for sure, the average 18-21 year old guy is not going out there pulling left and right like he is a chad lol. Things like money and lifestyle are definitely factors to consider, some broke college student or a guy that is an apprentice electrician or enlisted in the military aren't able to provide this. As a man gets into his mid to late 20s he should have these variables sorted out, at least to some extent.

However, at 30+ I feel the issue is more related to the ability to attract younger women and not so much those other variables I mentioned above. At 30-40 a man can definitely date women that are 25-30 but it's not as easy as the trolls on here make it. The biggest variable in my opinion is how well a man took care of himself, how fit he is, etc. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of guys that are 30+ are already overweight or even obese. This is something you can work on for sure, but it honestly takes a lot of consistent effort over years. I'm exceptionally fit/strong for someone my age, I'm almost 35, and I consider myself a huge outlier. At ANY gym you rarely see guys that are 30+ at a fitness level that is overall above average or better. Many gym bros and very fit men slowly start fading away from the scene by the time they are 25, by 30 and over it's very unusual. So, in the big picture only a tiny number of men that are in the 30+ age bracket are in this category, so it's not worth considering.

In addition to all of this, we aren't even factoring in things you can't control (balding, grey hairs, etc.).

The reality is that unless you are very wealthy/willing to spend a lot of money OR exceptionally fit/attractive.......you are going to find that dating becomes MORE difficult with age and not less. In an ideal scenario, a man is better off finding a woman by the time he is in his mid to late 20s who is a few years younger, settling down, etc.
Well said, but many men even in their late 20's still haven't figured their life out and are broke.

A man's career and his savings are a huge part of his confidence. I was a broke graduate student while in my late 20's, so I still didn't do that good with women.
 

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It depends on a lot of factors, men age more according to their ethnic group, for example Mediterranean men often look 10 years younger at age 35 compared to men from northern and eastern Europe who are more inclined to early greyness and have pale skin that ages faster. Women under the age of 25 don't find features of older age like grey hair and gaunt skin attractive.
 
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