SMV and age difference

[Manure Spherian]

Look at a mature looking George Clooney compared to a young looking Clooney in his 20s. The mature Clooney looks distinguished.

Case for my point previously discussed. When men discuss “peaking,” they go straight to anomalies: the most desirable on earth (eg, Leonardo DiCaprio, George Clooney, kings, emperors).

“You need to understand bro, historically da most powerful men had da most women. King Louie’s teeth were falling out and honies were still wanting to screw him!”

Clooney and DiCaprio were likely drowning in females at age thirteen. They didn’t “peak” sexually.

 

[characternote]

Young hot girls (18-23) usually don't go with older men. Most girls (hot, average or ugly) date guys the same age or slightly older (4-5 years older). There are some exceptions of course, I'm one the perfect example and I will explain how it works because a lot of guys here and outside of this forum live in a fantasy thinking that dating will improve as they get older. Not at all.

I'm 38yo and I have all the physical attributes that women find attractive in a man:

• Tall 6'2"
• Athletic 91kg
• Stylish
• White/Caucasian
• My hairline is receiding and some grey hair but I still have a lot of hair
• I look 10 years younger, especially when I shave.

I've been told many time that I'm the tall, dark and handsome type.

I've always dated very hot girls (models, etc), way younger than me. My last girlfriend was a 19yo Slovak model, I'm currently seeing a 22yo Ukrainian and I'm having a beginning of an affair with a fresh 18yo Ukrainian. Here are the reasons why I still get young girls despite my age:

• The way I look
• My personality and life experience (I've had a pretty exciting and interesting life so far)
• I speak French, English, Russian and some Czech (so I can date Russian, Ukrainian, Belarus, Czech, Slovak girls - the best in terms of beauty, and they are more open regarding age)
• I only meet girls through cold approach
• Volume - I go to the university and I live in a dormitory (went back to school)
• I only target girls below 25-26, with some exceptions when the girl is older but really hot

But those young hot girls are far and between, I get one from time to time and I really need to be proactive (cold approach). If I don't make a move, nothing is going to happen, they won't come and knock at my door. Long dryspells is a normal thing, despite all the advantages I have. I don't go to clubs, bars or parties. Plus, I wont get those girls on OLD:

• Girls on OLD are usually average or below average
• They will filter everything that is too old, so I won't appear in search results.

The best age for a man to get young hot girls is between 18 and 28 approx. When you get 30 and up, and you're more solid in terms of finances, you don't attract the young ones, you attract the 30something that are looking for stability. The 20yos are busy dating guys the same age. I noticed that girls who go for older men all have some kind of personal issues (daddy issues, self esteem issues, etc), it doesn't mean that they are low quality girls, but they have some issues. Age can be dealbreaker. Young girls want to fit in, they don't like to feel the pressure of their peers, parents, friends, etc. They feel that they do something wrong if they date a guy that is way older. I got rejected many times because of my age even if the girl was clearly into me. Like I said, why would they bother dating an older man when they have so many options, guys of their age. It's less complicated and "socially"a better choice.

So, even if I still get young hot ones, I get less and less and eventually (soon) I won't get any. That's just the way it is. I will be able to pull younger women all my life but at some point the 20yos will be out of reach. Like I said, yes some 20yo don't mind dating 35+ but it's very unlikely to happen, especially if you are average or below average in terms of looks and you don't have that "swag" that young girls like. Money won't make a difference. I don't have much and still pull young hotties.

Men SMV goes down after 30 too, but slower. It's just the reality. This SMV gets better with age thing is dating coach and Red pill BS.

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Some of the older guys are so deluded here and they would literally be invisible to them hot 18 year olds.

'pay for play'/sugar daddy game is of course an entirely different thing. But we're talking about attraction. I'm not gonna call anyone out but some members have posted their pics and it's beyond laughable to think that they have more than the chance of winning the lottery to be taking home these stunning 19 year olds or are getting 'hit on' by them etc LOL.

 

[Mike32ct]

The problem with the whole “Women peak at X, and men peak at Y” is then logically X aged women would be MOST drawn to men at or close to age Y. After all, we know women don’t date down. Women at the peak would understandably want men at the peak.

So it implies that say 22 yo women would be MOST drawn to and seeking to date say 39-40+yo guys lol. We see that works as an exception with a few guys, but not so much as a general rule.

 

[BaronOfHair]

One way to think about this, especially in light of recent events:

Dating and mating is similar to politics.... If you cling to tactics and an underlying philosophy that's proven ineffectual at drawing those whom you desire to your side, all for the sake of "being real", you'll continue to subsist off of table scraps

Fortune favors those who engage in regular self-reflection, notice the ways in which what they "know" ain't quite so, then modify their approach accordingly. Just as lots of older candidates who've been crafty in their messaging have been able to resonante with constituents who are half a century younger than themselves, many older men who are conscientious of the way they think and behave are highly successful at snagging younger women

 

[SW15]

guys well into their 40s talking about dating substantially younger women, talking 25 or younger lol. What the hell is a guy in his 40s going to have in common with the overwhelming majority of women that are 21-25 lol.

I'm over 40 and I met a 25 and 26 year old at a bar a few nights ago. Both were into me to varying levels and I had good chats with both. The 26 year old was really into me. She liked my sense of humor and did mentioned how hot I am. I had some good kino escalation with her and nearly got her home.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Your mileage may vary.....dating got pretty easy in my late 30's. Its not hard to beat out 70% of the male population.

I wish you luck in persuading the doomsayers, Duke... These 30somethings who are bemoaning the fact that they no longer look 18* are similar to hipsters in Brooklyn and Berkely who lament: "I can barely make ends meet, and wealth redistribution is all that can make my life easier!!!", all while violently resisting the observation that many of their own lifestyle choices(Buying every game system on the market, dining at the most expensive restaurants 5 nights a week, dropping close to a grand per week on recreational narcotics, etc etc)are harming them




*Isn't this something WOMEN are supposed to fret over? When did men start mourning the fact that they no longer look as innocent and vulnerable as they once did?

 

[GoodMan32]

The problem with the whole “Women peak at X, and men peak at Y” is then logically X aged women would be MOST drawn to men at or close to age Y. After all, we know women don’t date down. Women at the peak would understandably want men at the peak.

So it implies that say 22 yo women would be MOST drawn to and seeking to date say 39-40+yo guys lol. We see that works as an exception with a few guys, but not so much as a general rule.

Well-said.

There's a married couple I work with. The man is 34; the broad is 26. Even that type of age gap is somewhat rare (and quite frankly, I find their relationship to be strange). 40 year old men with 22 year old broads are (as you pointed out) extremely rare.

 

[GoodMan32]

I'm over 40 and I met a 25 and 26 year old at a bar a few nights ago. Both were into me to varying levels and I had good chats with both. The 26 year old was really into me. She liked my sense of humor and did mentioned how hot I am. I had some good kino escalation with her and nearly got her home.

I'd be curious to hear if you ultimately end up getting laid by her.

This isn't the first recent story you've shared on the forum about capturing the interest of broads below 30. Perhaps your general pattern you had previously noted (having a hard time pulling broads 10+ years younger than you) is slowly eroding (which, in your case, is awesome...seeing as you prefer younger)

 

[GoodMan32]

I wish you luck in persuading the doomsayers, Duke... These 30somethings who are bemoaning the fact that they no longer look 18* are similar to hipsters in Brooklyn and Berkely who lament: "I can barely make ends meet, and wealth redistribution is all that can make my life easier!!!", all while violently resisting the observation that many of their own lifestyle choices(Buying every game system on the market, dining at the most expensive restaurants 5 nights a week, dropping close to a grand per week on recreational narcotics, etc etc)are harming them




*Isn't this something WOMEN are supposed to fret over? When did men start mourning the fact that they no longer look as innocent and vulnerable as they once did?

I personally never fretted much over the fact I no longer look 18 until I experimented with the AI looks rater (and got better scores in my younger days than I currently do)

I was nearly an 8 at 17, a 7.25 at 23, and I managed to barely break 7 as late as age 27

From age 28 to now, the highest score any picture of me has gotten has been in the 6 range.

(To build upon your making ends meet analogy, I live a pretty simple lifestyle...yet even I'd be dead if it weren't for the fact I come from a wealthy family)

 

[pipeman84]

The problem with the whole “Women peak at X, and men peak at Y” is then logically X aged women would be MOST drawn to men at or close to age Y. After all, we know women don’t date down. Women at the peak would understandably want men at the peak.

So it implies that say 22 yo women would be MOST drawn to and seeking to date say 39-40+yo guys lol. We see that works as an exception with a few guys, but not so much as a general rule.

That would only work with intelligent, intellectually mature men&women AND who would have some magical dating app like device to put them in contact. To add further complexity, there are multiple peaks for a man, each attained at a different age and every combination thereof at another age. Furthermore, each woman has her own preferences, some will like building a future with a man of similar age, in a more partnership fashion while others will prefer getting with a more mature, established guy in a more father figure fashion.

 

[Solomon]

 

[sangheilios]

That guy in the video is definitely trolling everyone when the reality he is going to foreign countries and paying for these women to at least some degree. I've watched his stuff in the past, very cringey stuff.

 

[oc16]

Well-said.

There's a married couple I work with. The man is 34; the broad is 26. Even that type of age gap is somewhat rare (and quite frankly, I find their relationship to be strange). 40 year old men with 22 year old broads are (as you pointed out) extremely rare.

I don't know, I personally know 6 couples off the top of my head that have an 8 to 20 year age difference. However, it's usually guys who are married a second time

 

[sangheilios]

I wish you luck in persuading the doomsayers, Duke... These 30somethings who are bemoaning the fact that they no longer look 18* are similar to hipsters in Brooklyn and Berkely who lament: "I can barely make ends meet, and wealth redistribution is all that can make my life easier!!!", all while violently resisting the observation that many of their own lifestyle choices(Buying every game system on the market, dining at the most expensive restaurants 5 nights a week, dropping close to a grand per week on recreational narcotics, etc etc)are harming them




*Isn't this something WOMEN are supposed to fret over? When did men start mourning the fact that they no longer look as innocent and vulnerable as they once did?

Bro, wtf are you and @The Duke going on about?

No one is specifically arguing that it is impossible to date as you get older, the whole god damn thread is about your SMV as you get older, big age gaps, etc. A guy that is 35+ is not going to be pulling women under the age of 25 readily. This can and does happen, but it's not the norm for the overwhelming majority of men in this age bracket and very atypical.

Seriously, a lot of delusional middle aged men on here living in some fantasy land that become defensive whenever these ideas are challenged.

 

[sangheilios]

The problem with the whole “Women peak at X, and men peak at Y” is then logically X aged women would be MOST drawn to men at or close to age Y. After all, we know women don’t date down. Women at the peak would understandably want men at the peak.

So it implies that say 22 yo women would be MOST drawn to and seeking to date say 39-40+yo guys lol. We see that works as an exception with a few guys, but not so much as a general rule.

They peak for different reasons.

Women's value when it comes to the dating market is pretty much entirely based around their looks and fertility, which basically is peak between 18-22....maybe up to 25. Women past 25 that are still single are trying to get locked down sooner rather than later, past 30 this is a huge problem if they want a child, as was alluded to earlier.

Men peak very differently though. A young guy really isn't all that high in demand when it comes to going for women around his own age, as they have far more power in the dating market. However, when a man is around 30 and older this power dynamic changes, for reasons I mentioned above. A guy at 30 does not have the biological clock ticking like women around his own age, so they are the ones who are actively trying to get locked down. It's not so much that a guy in his 30s can pull much younger women, it's more to do with the fact that he potentially has more power in the dating market RELATIVE to women around his age.

I think there are many other factors at play here though and it's a bit more complicated than just looks and dating market related stuff. I'm 34, almost 35, and I feel like I've been in my prime the last few years. Physically I'm pretty much the same as I was in my mid to late 20s, but my decision making, wealth and mindset are in a way better spot than back then. 30s and 40s are potentially a great time for men in regards to career, leadership, wealth, lifestyle, etc. Again, guys in this age range that put the effort in can provide things that a much younger version of themselves would not be able to.

 

[characternote]

Bro, wtf are you and @The Duke going on about?

No one is specifically arguing that it is impossible to date as you get older, the whole god damn thread is about your SMV as you get older, big age gaps, etc. A guy that is 35+ is not going to be pulling women under the age of 25 readily. This can and does happen, but it's not the norm for the overwhelming majority of men in this age bracket and very atypical.

Seriously, a lot of delusional middle aged men on here living in some fantasy land that become defensive whenever these ideas are challenged.

yes. the goal posts tend to slowly move in these sorts of threads.
Im certainly not saying you can't bang girls way younger than you.

Me and @mikedee are in somewhat similar situations and have spoken a fair bit and even shown various reciepts.
I'm well in my 30's now. I banged a SEVENTEEN year old not too long ago! very hot.
But I look very young for my age. (she thought I was 24 and I let her believe that)
I was lucky that I was just her physical type and she thought I was 'hot'. (this is ALWAYS a necessity. Her thinking you are good looking)
Basically, various stars aligned, but it's not something that would ever happen often to someone my age! (unless they also looked a lot younger than their years and they were a lot better looking than me.). And when you start getting even older?? 50s'?? 60's??!!! you have more chance of winning the lottery twice in a row lol

But it's silly that people seem to think it's irrelevant. There comes a time for all guys, even me, when you are completely invisible to them stunning pretty teenage/very early 20's girls. You are just some old man and not even remotely on her sexual radar. She is NOT sexually attracted to you and there's nothing you can do about that.
You need to be able to give her a lifestyle she wants and stuff ($$$$) if you expect to get her in bed. At that point she's attracted to your money, and not you.

If I took certain older posters from this forum out with me tonight, I know for a fact that they would have zero chance of getting the girls I pick for them too approach. Zero. Despite the bravado.

 

[sangheilios]

Seriously, this topic has been repeated so many times on this forum it's ridiculous. Of course, it's the same damn posters making the same ridiculous claims.

yes. the goal posts tend to slowly move in these sorts of threads.
Im certainly not saying you can't bang girls way younger than you.

Me and @mikedee are in somewhat similar situations and have spoken a fair bit and even shown various reciepts.
I'm well in my 30's now. I banged a SEVENTEEN year old not too long ago! very hot.
But I look very young for my age. (she thought I was 24 and I let her believe that)
I was lucky that I was just her physical type and she thought I was 'hot'. (this is ALWAYS a necessity. Her thinking you are good looking)
Basically, various stars aligned, but it's not something that would ever happen often to someone my age! (unless they also looked a lot younger than their years and they were a lot better looking than me.). And when you start getting even older?? 50s'?? 60's??!!! you have more chance of winning the lottery twice in a row lol

But it's silly that people seem to think it's irrelevant. There comes a time for all guys, even me, when you are completely invisible to them stunning pretty teenage/very early 20's girls. You are just some old man and not even remotely on her sexual radar. She is NOT sexually attracted to you and there's nothing you can do about that.
You need to be able to give her a lifestyle she wants and stuff ($$$$) if you expect to get her in bed. At that point she's attracted to your money, and not you.

If I took certain older posters from this forum out with me tonight, I know for a fact that they would have zero chance of getting the girls I pick for them too approach. Zero. Despite the bravado.

This is exactly the point I'm getting at.

I'm 6'4" and right now around 235-240, overall strongest and most muscular I think I've ever been in my life without steroids, so I don't look juiced up. I've had a few instances over the last couple years of just trying to have non flirtatious/friendly interactions with women in their late teens and early 20s and they wouldn't entertain it, crazy thing is they were legitimately unattractive and/or fat lol. Now, I've definitely had some platonic interactions with women in this age range that went fine, but that's not really the point. The point is if a guy like me, who is early to mid 30s that is tall and very fit, has some interactions go like that wtf is it going to be like for the overwhelming majority of guys around my age, let alone those that are 40+?

This crap reminds me of Mel Gibson and that Ukrainian ***** he got married to years ago and how that all blew up back in 2010 all over TMZ lol. I was 20 at the time, but what I learned from it was that a lot of these older guys with money completely blow themselves up by going for these substantially younger gold digger women that have no real interest in them lol. You can cite countless examples like this and they all play out the same way.

 

[pipeman84]

But it's silly that people seem to think it's irrelevant. There comes a time for all guys, even me, when you are completely invisible to them stunning pretty teenage/very early 20's girls. You are just some old man and not even remotely on her sexual radar. She is NOT sexually attracted to you and there's nothing you can do about that.

But there should also come a time (maybe by 30) for most guys when they've understood that a pvssy is a pvssy and fvcking a ditzy (drunk?) 20yrs old bimbo won't seem like an achievement at all. Granted, some will be in their late 80s and still not more evolved than a 14yrs old boy who has only seen pvssy in porn movies. Case in point:

I'm well in my 30's now. I banged a SEVENTEEN year old not too long ago! very hot.
But I look very young for my age. (she thought I was 24 and I let her believe that)
I was lucky that I was just her physical type and she thought I was 'hot'. (this is ALWAYS a necessity.

Lying about your age to fvck a 17yrs old hoe? C'mon man, that's pathetic. Speaks volumes of your self esteem.
It's one thing to be a man pursuing your passion and as a side effect of that have hoes throw themselves at you. Whole different thing to actively go after them (cold approaching) and then misleading or outright lying in order to have sex with them.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

The point is if a guy like me, who is early to mid 30s that is tall and very fit, has some interactions go like that wtf is it going to be like for the overwhelming majority of guys around my age, let alone those that are 40+?

I think the single common denominator in all your stories (you get IOIs all the time, but their interest wanes the moment you start interacting with them) is that something goes wrong during the interactions. Since they do interact with you in the beginning, I guess since it's not something visible, it's something in your vibe or voice or body language that puts them off.

 

[sangheilios]

But there should also come a time (maybe by 30) for most guys when they've understood that a pvssy is a pvssy and fvcking a ditzy (drunk?) 20yrs old bimbo won't seem like an achievement at all. Granted, some will be in their late 80s and still not more evolved than a 14yrs old boy who has only seen pvssy in porn movies. Case in point:
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Lying about your age to fvck a 17yrs old hoe? C'mon man, that's pathetic. Speaks volumes of your self esteem.
It's one thing to be a man pursuing your passion and as a side effect of that have hoes throw themselves at you. Whole different thing to actively go after them (cold approaching) and then misleading or outright lying in order to have sex with them.

@characternote did not elaborate on the context of how he met that much younger woman. Most guys at some point have done something a bit sketchy in order to have sex lol, don't kid yourself. Stuff like pressuring a girl to have sex when she doesn't want to, leading women on, telling them what they want to hear, etc.

I'm not saying what he did is right or wrong, but so long as he wasn't doing anything illegal, not sure where he lives, there really is no harm in it. The woman found him attractive and was eager to bang, no reason for him to have potentially shot himself in the foot because he didn't correct her about his true age.