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Die Hard said:
Too late, brother... I just left her home... It wasn't pretty...
Same old story. Go NC for a while and you will see how she truly feels.

I hate thinking about this, because I've been in a similar situation. At around this time last year I got with a girl that I considered to be an HB9.5, got addicted to her sexually and all that and dated her for a short time, but in the end all it caused for me was a loss of perspective and complete insecurity. I still think about that one sporadically, to this day. It was a huge learning experience.

As this will be for you, no doubt.
 

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Agree with zekko, just let it go but screen heavily for future red flags. No offense man, but you're acting kind of like a couple crazy ex's I had...over-analyzing every little word I said and trying to read a million different possibilities into it. Relax my man!

And don't bring it up to her, you will just look like a controlling insecure weenie. Needling her about the details was already a weak move IMO.

Remember - don't explicate, demonstrate.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't see page 3 replies for some reason. Yep, all there is left is NC. Good luck man!
 

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All is well, guys.

After I left her home, the conversation continued through texting. It's all one big mind game... She has said things that might salvage this relationship in my eyes, although I'm not sure yet.

What's most important is that I was right all along, I wasn't seeing ghosts, I have had that confirmed tonight. And this liberated me... She is playing games, even through tonight...mind games, sh!t tests, attempts to grab frame control... I even believe she FABRICATED (which doesn't neccesarily mean CONSCIOUSLY) this whole situation just to see how I would respond.

It's all one big mindgame... And realizing this, brought some sort of calm over me. I feel in control and above it all... I make the decisions, the situation is mine to manipulate. And whatever I decide, or feel that I HAVE to decide, I am okay with it.

Even though it seems we are gonna ride this out and the storm will clear up, so that we can continue the relationship...I might just decide to NEXT her anyway for playing this mindgame. And I wouldn't feel bad about it at all. She's just a fvcking CHILD, is what I'm realizing clearly now...

I got a lot of analyzing to do in the coming days. I'm pretty sure that this game has come to an end already, she has seen what she wanted to see (me getting emotional today, to the point where I couldn't keep my eyes dry. Me holding my ground and not falling for her manipulations, sticking with the fact that I was willing to walk if she wouldn't admit her mistakes etc.) She wants to meet up and has indicatedthat she is gonna confes the truth about it all, hoping I will reward her honesty and continue the relationship with her.

And after that, it would be peace and calm again, we'd ride on through this relationship. Until the next situation shows up and she will fabricate another situation of emotional turmoil, thunderclouds packing together above our heads, heavy and emotional conflict between us, through which we have to struggle together but which will eventually bring us closer together if we get through it. That's the cycle and it is gonna repeat itself, no doubt. She needs this and will consciously or unconsciously steer us into this kind of situation from time to time.

The question is whether I wanna live with a girl like this or feel that I deserve better and should NEXT her....or whether I can accept this and remain calm about it all coz in the end, I know I can weather these storms and just have to sort of 'play along' with these games of her so she gets her 'fix' and we can continue the happy relationship afterwards.

Meh, enough thinking for today. All is well, I have peace of mind, whatever the outcome of this situation.

Thanks for replying guys, it's much appreciated!
 

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Heh, so I was right...you should've just brushed it off. If she purposefully fabricated that, she was looking for cracks in your congruity and emotional foundation, and she found them.

But honestly it's for the best man. I know this gets thrown around waaaaay too much around here, but I'm sensing the cluster-b is strong with this one. She might be trying to suck you into the emotional roller coaster as we speak. Tread carefully man, and stoically.
 

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Stay above the drama Die Hard.

It really doesn't matter if she saw some chinks in your armour. What is important is how you react next.

My wife pulled a major sh!t test on me early on. Enough that I almost walked away forever.

What I did was lay it out on the line right then. I told her the reason I reacted poorly was because this relationship is important to me. I truly felt that we had a chance at something great. However if she was going to pull bullshyt like this, then I wasn't going to waste my time. She apologized profusely and I grudgingly accepted but made her know how close she was to never seeing me again.

Don't let this issue be a big deal because it really isn't. The relationship is new and ground rules are being set. You letting her know what is acceptable and what is not is totally necessary.

It is extremely important that you only warn her once. Do not harp on her about it. Do not give any ultimatums. Tell her ONCE what she did wrong.

If it ever happens again you must be willing to walk with no explanation. Just leave.

Good luck brother.
 

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I'd keep your powder dry for a while DH. Just keep those little pearls of suspicion in the back of your mind and wait for the right moment to bring them up.
i.e if she ever accuses you of cheating or being untruthful would be my tip.
 

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Thanks for the latest advices, guys. But I guess everything's over with this one...

I've actually been too weak yesterday. I didn't WANT to tell her that I couldn't go on with her under the current circumstances. I didn't WANT the dream to end... And this showed, I was quite emotional when we had the talk yesterday. I should've been unemotional and firm...

I still kinda doubted myself when I confronted her, there was still a part of me wondering if I was seeing ghosts and overreacting. She could sense this very clearly from my behavior and took advantage of it. She tried to manipulate me...small things, like when I said I couldn't continue FOR NOW, she didn't even let me finish my sentence and acted like I said the relationship was completely over. She did certain things, said certain things, that prevented me from clearly explaining that I wanted a BREAK, not ending the relationship PERMANENTLY. She played me on this...she forced the situation into an all-or-nothing...she kinda forced me to choose between breaking up PERMANENTLY or not breaking up at all.

There was more of this, veeeeeery subtle manipulations of my emotions or of my words... She started crying and that's the moment I became emotional myself. But as soon as she saw me in that state, she became more rational and sort of calculating, she was subtly twisting the situation into her favor, trying to turn me into the one that was losing her, instead of the other way around.

Too much details to write down here, but I am putting the pieces of the puzzle together the more I recall everything and analyze everything she said in the text conversation that followed last night. Sorry for not sharing it all with you guys...

But it's becoming clear to me that my suspicions were right from the beginning...there is indeed a strong smell of 'cluster b' about her. It just never got to the surface until now...there were little signs, here and there, throughout all the 2.5 months that I've known her. I just didn't see them, or didn't WANT to see them. And the typical cluster b behavior really did stay under the surface, didn't manifest itself in her behavior, coz I was in control of her for the most time, because I was playing the game very well, kept her chasing me and kept her on her toes most of the time.

That changed throughout the last few weeks, I could already sense her becoming a bit more confident and opposing me some more, even if it was mostly when we were joking around and I was still being dominant overall...

I have given away too much of myself too quickly, particularly in the later stage of this relationship. I handed over too much control, very slowly...but progressively nontheless... I lost sight of the fact that the game never ends, even though I always tried to keep this in the back of my mind and often times tried to figure out if I was still doing things "by the book". Without even realizing it, I made very tiny mistakes here and there, almost too small to notice, but eventually they added up...

So I have only myself to blame for anything that bothers me at this moment... Only this morning, as she continued the text conversation, I suddenly realized everything fully and the "real me" kicked in. I have been way too soft, way too reasonable wioth her since I confronted her. So this morning, I finally treated her the way I should... Coz I know now what games she is playing and how I have been trying to be reasonable with an unreasonable person! So I told her to fvck off, that I was gonna block her on mesenger and remove her from Facebook, that I wish no furter contact and don't wanna stay friends with her, that she shouldn't try to speak to me at the events we both attento to weekly etc. No ultimatum behind it, actually not even the hope of changing her behavior by this.... I just did it because it needed to be done, FOR MYSELF, FOR MY SELF RESPECT, FOR MY DIGNITY!

You know, I realized that she was just bluffing since the moment I confronted her...she sensed weakness on my part and thought she could keep lying to me and that I would eventually just "let it go" and this situation would pass, coz 1. I had no tangible evidence for anything, apart from the fact that she was contradicting herself. 2. I needed her too much to walk away from her (especially since I had no firm proof of anything).

Yeah, now that I have broken contact completely and actually have broken up with her permanently, she's got nothing more to lose. I reckon she wasn't prepared to confess anything about what's behind her contradicting statements bacause she feared I would abandon her if she told me the truth about it all.
Now I have abandoned her anyway, she can't lose me MORE so to speak. So perhaps now she will consider telling me the truth after all, coz things can't get any worse anyway if she tells me. Actually, there might even be a chance that I forgive her and take her back... So in the back of my mind, I take this possibility into account.

But you know what? Even if she does confess what's really behind her lies and contradictions, even if it is something that I can forgive...I cannot forgive the fact that she has gone through such lengths to keep the truth from me, went this far to turn the tables on me and tried manipulating me into thinking that I was being wrong here etc. Her behavior from the last two days up until now, is unacceptable anyway, even if she decides to confess her "sins" later on.

So that's that. Too much has happened already, this situation is beyond redemption to me. Besides, when you NEXT a girl and go no-contact, you don't do it with some secret hope that things will turn out right because of it. NEXTING is NEXTING, it's DONE, you disconnect from her emotionally. You can't do the latter if you secretly keep some hope for things to turn out right after all...

THE END.

Yes, I feel kinda miserable right now. This whole thing, it just came out of NOWHERE! Everything was going so well lately, it was all looking just fine, even better than fine! And then, BAM! all of a sudden everything twists around, in the blink of an eye, while you're having a romantic evening together, enjoying some drinks and having a pleasant conversation. She just happened to mention that movie and then everything changed and 24 hours later it's all over.

I remember how I was asleep and carelessly dreaming this last night. Then I woke up today in the morning, and as soon as my consciousness got up and running, the realization hit me: "Oh yeah, we broke up last night..." and a really sad, miserable feeling came over me... Kinda when the guy from "Lock stock and two smoking barrels" gets hit with the realization that he just lost half a million bucks in a poker game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56jekYL2h7k

But hey, I know the routine by now. Been there, done that...just a couple o' days of feeling miserable and licking my wounds, I'll be back on my feet in no time. What's more important is the rewards I reap from all this! Coz boy oh boy, these 2.5 months gave me a SH!TLOAD of experience!

Not just the mistakes that I can learn a lot from. No, also all the things I did RIGHT! Coz I sure did do a lot right, here... I've landed a girl who was top of the crop, she was absolutely gorgeous, the type I could only dream of before. And she was CRAZY about me, I was being the perfect DJ, I had her eating out of the palm of my hand. The looks of other guys, many of them even literally telling me how amazing she was and how lucky I was to have landed her... Coz regardless from the unhappy ending and the mistakes I have made, the most part of this whole adventure has EPIC WIN written all over it.

Back to the drawing board and onwards to the next adventure. I'm unstoppable... I'm well on my way to becoming a person I could never even DREAM to be, achieving things I could never even DREAM of achieving.

This onfortunate ending changes nothing. Sky is still the limit...
 
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Note to self:

And don't forget, she was just a CHILD... At this very moment, you're feeling miserable coz you will now have to go without the affection of a CHILD... What a joke!!

And yes, like I said somewhere early on in this thread, when everything between her and me was still okay: I AM able to rise to the occasion, whatever happens!
 

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I still kinda doubted myself when I confronted her, there was still a part of me wondering if I was seeing ghosts and overreacting. She could sense this very clearly from my behavior and took advantage of it. She tried to manipulate me...small things, like when I said I couldn't continue FOR NOW, she didn't even let me finish my sentence and acted like I said the relationship was completely over. She did certain things, said certain things, that prevented me from clearly explaining that I wanted a BREAK, not ending the relationship PERMANENTLY. She played me on this...she forced the situation into an all-or-nothing...she kinda forced me to choose between breaking up PERMANENTLY or not breaking up at all.
That paragraph is painful to read. The last thing you want is a woman that is so manipulative.
 

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Yeah, painful, isn't it?

I feel weird, man... I miss her and the thought that we will never be together again makes me sick in my stomach...literally.

I wanna just forget about her and return to my old life ASAP, as if these 2.5 months have never existed. But deep down, I keep hoping for her to contact me this week (she's abroad for this weekend) and perhaps confess what's going on after aall.

Whatever it is that she is not telling me, I can't see why she would be so persistant in her unwillingness to tell me the truth. The way we were together...and the "love" that she showed me...All that is just not compatible with the idea that she'd rather lose me than tell me the truth.

That's why I keep hoping deep down... If she realizes that I'm really not coming back to her if she persists in her unwillingness to tell the truth, then she has nothing else to lose. So it would make sense for her to try and win me back by telling the truth after all.

And this idea is making things tough for me at the moment. I wake up and immediately think of her, and it hurts man... But I've been there many times before and actually am very good at recovering from these situations. But it only works when you are 100% convinced that you really SHOULD leave her behind. As long as one has doubts about leaving a girl behind, as long as I keep this hope that she might tell me the truth after all (which offers a small chance for the relationship to continue), moving on isn't possible.

I hate that, I hate being in this unsure situation where I might just be holding on to this hope, only to find out later this week that she's not gonna tell me anything after all. And how long should I wait anyway? If she doesn't come around this week, might she still do so one week later?

I just wanna know for sure that I was wrong about this girl and the "love" that we had. I can live with that realization, I will only learn from that, even though it's a painful lesson. But at least if I know this for sure, I can move on from her. Now I just keep doubting myself... The girl I knew and the way we were together, was iallnof that real or have I just been fooled?

For anyone watching Homeland, I feel like Carrie who was so sure of herself that
Brody was a terrorist but in the end he "turned out" not to be one... It completely messed with her mind, as does this situation with mine.

And at the same time, I can't escape the thought that THIS...this messing with your mind, this feeling that you don't trust your own judgment anymore and don't know what to think anymore, this ambivalence, this uncertainty...is EXACTLY what one typically experiences when involved with a cluster b. And then I look back at some of the first posts I wrote in this thread.... I DID have a feeling at the time, about her being cluster B..........
 

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Thanks, Buddha.

First time since long ago that I've really allowed myself to develop feelings for someone...
Not regretting it, though... I've had a wonderful time with her and it wouldn't have been so great if I hadn't opened up my feelings to her.

I'm becoming more calm now. I'm disconnecting from her and do not cling onto the hope that she might tell me the truth and things might work out after all.
We might see each other as early as tomorrow or the day after, due to attending the same social events. I kinda expect her to test my resolve in there...and I will leave no doubt about it that I'm through with her.
This might trigger her to be honest with me after all, as a last resolve to win me back. But if she doesn't, I won't be disappointed. And if she does...the truth might be unforgivable and make me decide to leave her behind anyway.

So as far as I'm concerned, the fairytale is pretty much over now. We'll see how things develop from here...
 

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Die Hard said:
I've landed a girl who was top of the crop, she was absolutely gorgeous, the type I could only dream of before
Isn't it a little sad that here we have a girl who is either a cheater, a liar, a cluster B type trying to stir up drama, or all of the above, and yet she is still considered "top of the crop" just because she looks good? Guys are happy if they can just be with her for a little while. What's that they're always saying about women not being held accountable? Oh well, it's just the way of the world, I guess.
 

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This is why Squirrels said that actually dating a girl is the ultimate sh*t test she can throw at you. It will manifest in you whether you actually are the presence you are presenting to her.

This is also why it's critically important on some level to legitimately not care, especially when she hasn't given you sufficient reason to. Victory Unlimited has a principle called "The Dirty Dozen" - you shouldn't think about getting in to a relationship with a woman until you've been on at least 12 dates with her, and you shouldn't see her more than twice a week. Six weeks minimum.

Beauty is a good reason to bed a girl, but it is a terrible reason to want to be with a girl. It can be a requirement, but it can't be the only requirement. Beauty tends to ruin women and unless you vigilantly screen the woman, you have no way of knowing whether she is actually worthy of your time. This is something you can't determine quickly. You must qualify her.

You will get there Die Hard. You just have to see that once you get comfortable or if you should ever start to consider that a woman has more value than you - you will start to manifest the most critical things in your life you need to work on. This is the real hard work, the things most people never do. But they are the keys to your success.
 

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You misunderstood, Zekko...

Yes, she is top of he crop IN THE LOOKS DEPARTMENT but I'm not saying that this also means she's top of the crop in other departments...

And she IS being held accountable, my man. Respect is all and she must do what's right here. If she doesn't, then she loses me (kinda already did...). Her looks/pvssy does not rule me (although they make it quite difficult for me t leave her behind...)
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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I wasn't trying to criticize you, Die Hard, just speaking generally.

I don't think there's anything wrong with caring about a girl. As long as you retain control over it, and not let it control you. The key is to maintain your self respect.
 
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