Single childless and never married men over 30

[ZTIME]

I'm 40.

• Three HB9s competing for my time: Check
• Successful business: Check
• Portfolio income that will my surpass my current income level in the next five years: Check
• Duplex in NYC: Check
• Six-figure valued vehicles to toy with: Check
• Fitness model physique: Check
• Wardrobe fit for a king: Check
  

Ya, life sucks

All right!! I'm working on the fitness model physique, but I'm with you on the rest. Ya, this 40's thing is really tough to master!!

 

[Poonani Maker]

Yeah, a buddy of mine yesterday told me his wife now wants a $70K Mercedes for their 9 adopted kids. Their house is maybe worth 4 times that (though it is paid off). They are still paying notes on a $31K RV. Dude is at least 7 years from retirement, has a couple of ailments that could get worse with age. I've met his wife. He's Puerto Rican, she's blue-eyed brunette. I could tell from only briefly meeting her that she "wanted a bigger house"..."yeah, we live here (in dissatisfactory tone)" She seemed embarrassed by their house which is bigger (but older) than mine. You can just smell the nagging she must do to him ALL the time over material things. He told me she sees him (paycheck) making more money and just because over the past year he's made more, she now thinks they outta get a $70K Mercedes, and he's gonna DO it, he told me. I'm like, "My God..." so frightening to not be able to say, "NO!!!!!!!" He also said to me a few weeks ago that "if" he "ever gets a divorce" that he "will be living in a basement somewhere." I'm like, "Dude, don't you wish you were ME??" I have no worries of this sort. I buy guns when I want, just whatever I want, when I want, and I really don't NEED anything else.

 

[evan12]

Pathetic.

Life is meaningless without a permanent woman? That is the weakest loser mentality I've read in a while.

There is nothing "boring and lonely" about sport f*cking several women and doing snow angels in all the money you saved by staying single. :crackup:

He mean life without a family and offspring is meaningless especially when you accomplish your other dreams . it is not about "permanent woman" it is about having people loving you truly and care about you .
I know many men here will never have a chance to have kids so they always resist this idea .

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

I'm 40.

• Three HB9s competing for my time: Check
• Successful business: Check
• Stock portfolio income that will my surpass my current income level in the next five years: Check
• Duplex in NYC: Check
• Six-figure valued vehicles to toy with: Check
• Fitness model physique: Check
• Wardrobe fit for a king: Check
  

Ya, life sucks

Nice check list.

 

[Alvafe]

He mean life without a family and offspring is meaningless especially when you accomplish your other dreams . it is not about "permanent woman" it is about having people loving you truly and care about you .
I know many men here will never have a chance to have kids so they always resist this idea .

you know even married people don't have that right?

 

[LiveFreeX]

Three HB9s competing for my time: Check
Successful business: Check
Stock portfolio income that will my surpass my current income level in the next five years: Check
Duplex in NYC: Check
Six-figure valued vehicles to toy with: Check
Fitness model physique: Check
Wardrobe fit for a king: Check

How many times have you visited the pyramids and sat on top of them watching the world tick by? How many times have you visited Pearl Harbor or sat by the ocean as the waves roll in. How many good friends do you have on speed dial that can actually share you life experience with.

*****es and dollars do not make happy fathers. When you are sitting in your hospital bed at 70 y/o you think your money is going to comfort you, change your diaper and tell you that it loves you and thanks you for being there for it. Not likely... I had an uncle that thought that way, he died with a couple million in the bank, stocks, a beautiful house in a country club, surrounded by no one because he was a greedy fvckin prick most of his life. No one should be told to rot in hell before they die, I guess thats why I didn't make it into the will.

 

[guru1000]

Eh ... I'll take the former.

Btw, the choice is not mutually exclusive.

 

[synergy1]

Eh ... I'll take the former.

Btw, the choice is not mutually exclusive.

By making it mutually exclusive, people like the poster before your last response can more easily rationalize how your success is meaningless. Its much easier than admitting that it seems like a pretty sweet deal ( it is), or worse yet, that they won't ever be able to have that lifestyle ( they won't).

I wish I knew why people can presuppose that marrying and having kids automatically means that you'll be happy on your deathbed with everyone being there for you. Last time I checked, women aren't there for their husbands in many instances. Kids leave. A myriad of things can happen contrary to the way people think they *should* happen. fact is most men lead a quiet life of desperation because their lives don't end up where they want them to be. The easiest thing to do is to knock on someone like the poster I quoted..as a man, that is in and of itself is a sad existence.

Strive to be great, not belittle another mans success!

 

[guru1000]

I'm 40.

• Three HB9s competing for my time: Check
• Successful business: Check
• Stock portfolio income that will my surpass my current income level in the next five years: Check
• Duplex in NYC: Check
• Six-figure valued vehicles to toy with: Check
• Fitness model physique: Check
• Wardrobe fit for a king: Check
  

Ya, life sucks

Every item on that list, including the first, I worked hard for. None of these items were given to me. Although I was already married to a 9, I could have taken the easy way out in life and married a 6 and blasted out a family like most. But to me, that would be settling. And my will is not up for negotiation ...

 

[SteR]

How many times have you visited the pyramids and sat on top of them watching the world tick by? How many times have you visited Pearl Harbor or sat by the ocean as the waves roll in. How many good friends do you have on speed dial that can actually share you life experience with.

*****es and dollars do not make happy fathers. When you are sitting in your hospital bed at 70 y/o you think your money is going to comfort you, change your diaper and tell you that it loves you and thanks you for being there for it. Not likely... I had an uncle that thought that way, he died with a couple million in the bank, stocks, a beautiful house in a country club, surrounded by no one because he was a greedy fvckin prick most of his life. No one should be told to rot in hell before they die, I guess thats why I didn't make it into the will.

As someone else mentioned, it's not either or. You can still have a family and be wealthy. This just sounds like a case of sour grapes.

As for dying alone: Even if you marry there's no guarantee that your wife will live longer than you, or that your children will be around. You don't even know if your marriage will last. Marrying for that reason would be foolish.

 

[LiveFreeX]

As someone else mentioned, it's not either or. You can still have a family and be wealthy. This just sounds like a case of sour grapes.

I come from a wealthy family. Forcing myself to live with the locals in the 3rd world has been a far richer experience than spending my life solitary in the first. Happiness and contentment is not based on money. I know plenty of lonely wealthy people who are not content no matter how many toys they accumulate.

The die alone and lonely argument is NOT bvllsh1t. I have been on my deathbed a few times now. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, material things did not comfort me one iota in times of crisis. The only thing that saved me from dipping into the great beyond was my wife, standing by my bedside, singing, when all I could see was darkness, I heard her tune and followed it back to the living world. The beep on a heart monitor would never have provided the same guidance. No amount of money or b1tches competing from your time can substitute the love from a family member or the reassurance that people that care about you are by your side. Nothing can comfort you more than the touch of a hand from someone you trust.

Upon learning of a Chronic health problem, not my apartment, $ in the bank or anything that I had accumulated in my life mattered at all. The only thing that kept me awake at night was not being able to pass on my genes. This is the point to life, not acquiring pieces of paper or luxury shelters.. and if you must know I can have 40 to 50+ women competing for my time without requiring ANY of those things. While all of you are at home competing for the affections of trash, rats and recyclables, I get to pick from the very best quality.

Every great religion teaches you not to let your faith or happiness ride on material things, you'll understand it too but only once you've had a brush with death. So you've achieved 'success' by CURRENT society's standards what will you leave for others when you die? How will you RESPECT your forefathers who sacrificed their lives so that you could pass on your DNA to another. How have you helped your fellow man?

You laugh and spit in their faces? This is so indicative of a spoiled society, the measure of a man only by the resources he can acquire.

guru: Good for you for acquiring those things but if thats how you measure the success of other men or the rest of your life, you are a failure in my eyes and I in yours.

Childless men by choice are failures in god's eyes and in the end, he is the only one we have to answer to.

 

[guru1000]

"LiveFree," you are correct, the material things don’t matter.

The struggle and obstacles you must transcend; the seemly insurmountable mountains you must climb; the faith, hope, tenacity, and perseverance you must hold; the unwavering will you must put forth—to attain these material things--is what matters. And this is life. This is success. This is the measure of a man. The lessons you learn along the way and incorporate into your essence—this is the WHOLE PURPOSE OF YOUR EXISTENCE.

You MUST struggle to evolve. You MUST choose to struggle. Taking the easy road to life will not achieve this purpose, as you struggle not--thus masking your "spiritual suicide." Spreading your gene is critical to corporeal perpetuity, but trivial to your spiritual growth.

Being on your death bed is not struggle as it was not your choice, it was your creators'. Another way of waking you up to say, "Son, it's time for you to step up to bat."

 

[backbreaker]

Yeah, a buddy of mine yesterday told me his wife now wants a $70K Mercedes for their 9 adopted kids. Their house is maybe worth 4 times that (though it is paid off). They are still paying notes on a $31K RV. Dude is at least 7 years from retirement, has a couple of ailments that could get worse with age. I've met his wife. He's Puerto Rican, she's blue-eyed brunette. I could tell from only briefly meeting her that she "wanted a bigger house"..."yeah, we live here (in dissatisfactory tone)" She seemed embarrassed by their house which is bigger (but older) than mine. You can just smell the nagging she must do to him ALL the time over material things. He told me she sees him (paycheck) making more money and just because over the past year he's made more, she now thinks they outta get a $70K Mercedes, and he's gonna DO it, he told me. I'm like, "My God..." so frightening to not be able to say, "NO!!!!!!!" He also said to me a few weeks ago that "if" he "ever gets a divorce" that he "will be living in a basement somewhere." I'm like, "Dude, don't you wish you were ME??" I have no worries of this sort. I buy guns when I want, just whatever I want, when I want, and I really don't NEED anything else.

That's why i think this site is so important in the sense that had I never found this site, I would have put a ring on the first girl that would have given me a blow job lol. Can't tell you how many women I've met like this. They see you as a means to an end.


My wife drives basically a 13 year old Mercedes, it's nice and all but I mean it's got like 200k miles on it. i TRIED to buy her a new car lol, like **** woman your car got more miles than Paris Hilton's ***** lol. Won't let me. She's perfectly happy with her little cute convertible


My point being, just because you pick a bad wife, doesn't mean marriage sucks. That's like if you get head from a girl and she bites your **** or something like that, all blow jobs must suck lol. You got to find someone that knows how to give a good hummer. Just like you got to find someone who knows how to be a good wife if you are about being married. That woman is not a good wife.

 

[Malcontent]

The notion of passing on genes to the next generation being the purpose of life is what will ultimately destroy the human species. Too many fvcking people already. Although, I will admit it's nice to have a new crop of hot college girls each year.

 

[SteR]

I come from a wealthy family. Forcing myself to live with the locals in the 3rd world has been a far richer experience than spending my life solitary in the first. Happiness and contentment is not based on money. I know plenty of lonely wealthy people who are not content no matter how many toys they accumulate.

I don't dispute this. The issue I have is that you're implying you have to wealthy and happy or poor and content. Why can't you be wealthy and happy? At the end of the day, money is just a tool. If you choose to use it inappropriately then of course you'll be miserable. But the idea that having money automatically equals unhappiness is a lie.

The die alone and lonely argument is NOT bvllsh1t. I have been on my deathbed a few times now. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, material things did not comfort me one iota in times of crisis. The only thing that saved me from dipping into the great beyond was my wife, standing by my bedside, singing, when all I could see was darkness, I heard her tune and followed it back to the living world. The beep on a heart monitor would never have provided the same guidance. No amount of money or b1tches competing from your time can substitute the love from a family member or the reassurance that people that care about you are by your side. Nothing can comfort you more than the touch of a hand from someone you trust.

Again, I don't see what money has to do with this. You don't have to choose money over family/friends.

Upon learning of a Chronic health problem, not my apartment, $ in the bank or anything that I had accumulated in my life mattered at all. The only thing that kept me awake at night was not being able to pass on my genes. This is the point to life, not acquiring pieces of paper or luxury shelters.. and if you must know I can have 40 to 50+ women competing for my time without requiring ANY of those things. While all of you are at home competing for the affections of trash, rats and recyclables, I get to pick from the very best quality.

Every great religion teaches you not to let your faith or happiness ride on material things, you'll understand it too but only once you've had a brush with death. So you've achieved 'success' by CURRENT society's standards what will you leave for others when you die? How will you RESPECT your forefathers who sacrificed their lives so that you could pass on your DNA to another. How have you helped your fellow man?

You laugh and spit in their faces? This is so indicative of a spoiled society, the measure of a man only by the resources he can acquire.

guru: Good for you for acquiring those things but if thats how you measure the success of other men or the rest of your life, you are a failure in my eyes and I in yours.

Childless men by choice are failures in god's eyes and in the end, he is the only one we have to answer to.

So what about people who can't have children? Are you saying their lives don't matter?

Listen, I respect the fact that family/children matter to you, but there's no way you can say this is the only noble pursuit in life. By this logic, people like mother Theresa, Ghandi, heck even Jesus lived pointless lives. Don't be ridiculous.

 

[Poon King]

He mean life without a family and offspring is meaningless especially when you accomplish your other dreams . it is not about "permanent woman" it is about having people loving you truly and care about you .
I know many men here will never have a chance to have kids so they always resist this idea .

A man can have kids at any age. Family doesn't mean sh!t in the end either. Sometimes you are better off with friends.

Its that Disney movie brainwashing that has betas thinking they need women, children and family for peace of mind. Its bullsh!t. Your family can die in a fire or plane crash at the snap of a finger. Then what?

All men must stop looking to OUTSIDE factors to feel complete. Stop living in Disney world.

 

[guru1000]

Good point. If you want to know what's valuable in life, ask yourself one question: If you were to lose all tangible things (i.e. family, money, etc.) tomorrow, what would you have left?

Herein is why you must struggle "LiveFree"; to gain the intangible attributes (i.e. faith, perseverance, courage, resiliency, tenacity, confidence, etc.) that you so clearly evaded to attain by moving to a third-world country to avoid the "difficulty" of the West.

Now ... who is truly living free: the warrior who faces, usurps, and subjugates the tide--or--the man who absconds from his challenges?

 

[LiveFreeX]

StER: I never said you couldn't be wealthy and happy. What I did mean to imply is that you can NEVER truly appreciate your wealth or freedoms afforded to you by others until you live without them and without access to them. The luxury of public access to clean air, water and food is often overlooked in the 1st world because we were born into it. The luxury of a functioning police, fire and health department is only truly apparent when you live without them and suffer abuse BY them. Kindness, humility and trustworthiness are traits we all too often take for granted. Money rarely gives you access to those people who possess them. Very few, if any of the people I know from wealthy families in the 1st world are happy and content with what they have. I know a woman whose husband purchased a yacht FOR HER, yet tried to off herself because of her 'unhappiness/boredom', she has cheated on him for as long as I can remember. The fact is that you can visit pretty much any country club and find these types of people hanging around.

http://www.canada.com/life/Vancouver+couple+struggles+make+ends+meet+only+month/10742014/story.html

Good point. If you want to know what's valuable in life, ask yourself one question: If you were to lose all tangible things (i.e. family, money, etc.) tomorrow, what would you have left?

Herein is why you must struggle "LiveFree"; to gain the intangible attributes (i.e. faith, perseverance, courage, resiliency, tenacity, confidence, etc.) that you so clearly evaded to attain by moving to a third-world country to avoid the "difficulty" of the West.

Now ... who is truly living free: the warrior who faces, usurps, and subjugates the tide--or--the man who absconds from his challenges?

Excuse me? How fvking dare you, you egotistical American piece of sh1t. As if you know ANYTHING about the traits you've listed.

Three HB9s competing for my time: Check
Successful business: Check
Stock portfolio income that will my surpass my current income level in the next five years: Check
Duplex in NYC: Check
Six-figure valued vehicles to toy with: Check
Fitness model physique: Check
Wardrobe fit for a king: Check

Anyone who claims 'gold-diggers, a wardrobe, a stock portfolio and six figured toys' confers Courage/Tenacity or most of ALL Confidence on their character, really has no idea what EARNING those traits by living through those challenges REALLY involves..

You likely know about money and business but you can see just from your ego that you definitely didn't get there by yourself.

You were born in a 1st world country with the silver spoon of opportunity placed firmly in your mouth. You worked for what you have without serious impediment from war, hunger, local authority or elitest control, wow, big fvking deal. Tell me, how many health problems, murders and disparities did you have to overcome to get where you are? How many birth defects, disease and outright poverty shaped your 'tenacity' or 'confidence'. Please do tell? A child growing up on the streets of Mexico city has more perseverance than a CEO at a fortune 500 but you don't learn these things behind a desk being told you're wonderful by other spoiled 1st world babies.

Everything you have attributed to yourself was won on EASY mode. People who truly earned what they have are generally more humble and secretive about their money.. its only the nouveau rich who are trying gain face by showing off what they have. Lets be honest here, you got lucky. You were born into the right circumstances. If you disagree:

Put your money where your mouth is, If you've really got as much confidence in your ability and character, take a trip to any 3rd world sh1t hole, throw away everything you have, passport, bank cards, IDs, everything and start over again from 0 with no network, no language ability and no one running to help you. If you can pull that off, then yeah, maybe you've got some courage, otherwise your just a high rolling poser and you represent the exact attitude I left the 1st world to get away from.

This is entitlement at its finest. Money does not confer character. Wearing a Gucci t-shirt and Tommy sunglasses does not in any way mean your character is better than someone without money, usually its worse, much worse. The poorest people abroad, will wear their hearts on their sleeves and it is easy to see, while the richest tend to try and cover up their lack of one by driving around in six figured vehicles and patting themselves on the back. Unfortunately the west is made up entirely of rich, spoiled brats, that earned their money on the backs of others. I'll take living poor in the 3rd world with people who clawed their way up from nothing versus egotistical corporate d1ckheads who think the sole purpose in life is getting rich and showing off. You wonder why the West is covered in materialistic bone head broads? Look in a mirror.

The richest foreigner I know in China, is an American who rides a bike to work, wears a ratty old backpack and the same clothes every single day. I guarantee he has more money than you'll ever see in your lifetime. You wouldn't know that his factories make clothes for HUGO BOSS from looking at him. The one thing he laments never having? Children.

The "you'll die alone and lonely" argument - that dog don't hunt. That's what women tell men to shame them out of bachelorhood.

http://www.odditycentral.com/news/o...nsion-to-any-family-willing-to-adopt-him.html

 

[zekko]

Interesting logic. But why do you feel you had to marry her to achieve this state of happiness? Or do you believe that you wouldn't have been able to keep her around (which in itself is a massive red flag) had you not signed a piece of paper and gave her the assurance that should things go down south she is free to take half your assets and a constant stream of income for decades?

Unfortunately that is what marriage has become. Women get various things from marriage, they tend to take their status from the husband that they can land, they get the wedding day, the wedding ring (another status symbol), they get security, they get a family framework to raise their children. Now with divorce being so common, it's an investment on an eventual court raping a few years down the line.

I enjoyed my marriage while it held together. You definitely want to screen for a good wife, but the problem is that people can always change, and people can always grow apart. They say that the woman you divorce is never the woman that you marry, and that is very true.

 

[guru1000]

"LiveFree," I am glad I got a rise out of you. This catalyst is necessary to incite introspection to peruse the deep-seated motives behind your life and decisions. Not to say you or they are wrong or right; I don't know you. If you feel you have struggled, I applaud you. My point is not to advise other young men (as I have seen) to take the "easy" road in life.

Samspade, good point, but my intent is not to impose my beliefs upon another (assuming that's how what I wrote was understood). Only to point out that we as men must learn to appreciate, perhaps even embrace, struggle, not to deter it. Everything we attain in life which is worthwhile is a result of the efforts we invest and the struggles we conquer. This advice is universal and should be the hallmark of all DJs' artillery.

In terms of marriage and children, I take no position. I was already married. I don't have children. I will have children one day. I'm undecided as to whether I will marry again. I'm not afraid of the monetary liabilities concerning marriage and children, as money can always be made again. Just unsure whether a "contract" governed by the state is conducive to a successful marriage as "walking away" is not quite so easy, thus compromising the frame, lending to the likelihood of a subsequent divorce. In other words, remaining in a relation unmarried increases the likelihood of its success, as walking away is easy, thus keeping a strong frame and both parties in respectful relations.