She's taking it waaaaay too slow. Is she actually into me?

[Pierce Manhammer]

Protip: start referring to them as Persians...

then why you fvcking around with other chicks? I'd kill to have an Iranian gf over a white girl lol.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

None of the above, but I'm actually starting to suspect she's a virgin because of her childishness.

A Russian Virgin? You live in the backwoods of Kazan or something?

 

[Cerwin Vega]

A Russian Virgin? You live in the backwoods of Kazan or something?

What would you think of a girl who becomes all red and can't stop giggling at the word "penis"?

She also thinks she's the world's greatest kisser, probably because she's hot and lots of guys want her.
She said I'm a good kisser. I told her she's not bad, and she almost exploded lmfao.

In reality she's actually average. I've had much better with average-looking girls tbh, maybe I'm coping hard but I don't think this one had a lot of practice.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Nah man, when I was studying in Moscow, the girls in my class were 18-21yo, 95% of them were virgin. Different culture man, Russian girls are conservative, religion is a serious thing in Russia.
I've met girls over 20yo (super hot girls) who had never kissed/been intimate with a guy. 0.

I just find it hard to believe that a demographic of women heavily favored for pornhub and fvcks on the first or second date tends to be virgins. Did yall forget that women are liars and probably have to be extremely cunning and manipulative to survive in a country like Russia lol? Your typical loud mouth SJW in a western country would probably get beat up in Russia lol.

What would you think of a girl who becomes all red and can't stop giggling at the word "penis"?

She also thinks she's the world's greatest kisser, probably because she's hot and lots of guys want her.
She said I'm a good kisser. I told her she's not bad, and she almost exploded lmfao.

In reality she's actually average. I've had much better with average-looking girls tbh, maybe I'm coping hard but I don't think this one had a lot of practice.

Dude, she got you with that innocent girl act haha.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

It is clear she is still making up her mind about you. She is interested, but probably unsure if you're worth her time and body.

But if you are enjoying time with her, and more importantly enjoying yourself then keep seeing her.

I do prefer to hold out with a girl I am actually interested in. Build the tension. Establish a rapport. Encourage a mental connection. So that when sex does happen it can be even better.

But at some point, she needs to submit to you and give in to your advances. Sex and intimacy are important in a relationship. Make sure she does not hold that power over you.


Modern Man Advice

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Always remember the woman who takes it way too slow with you is taking it really fast with someone else.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Is she a fundamentalist religious Muslim or Christian and a virgin? If not, she is blatantly playing you.

A woman doesn't owe him sex or anything else. It's up to him if he wants to keep trying or not.

 

[Cerwin Vega]

Always remember the woman who takes it way too slow with you is taking it really fast with someone else.

Some hard truth right there.

 

[The Diver]

are you a virgin?
Her: "Noooooo, come on *laughing even harder*, I was in a long-term relationship before.

She told you she's not a virgin.

As someone said once, " if she makes you wait for sex, it'll turn out the sex wasn't worth waiting for".

She is not a virgin and she just playing you. And you are playing right into her rigid frame. You're exactly where she wants you to be.
She controls the interaction, the pace, the sex,
You, giving up to her at that stage, will set
the dynamic for all your future interactions,
where she always will have the last word.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Who said anything about a woman's perspective? Why? From his perspective, she needs to show high interest.

Not according to him she doesn't.

 

[member160761]

She is into you but you have lie low and tone it down. You actually have a great catch and are unable to see it. If you want to use a girl as cumdump that is on you, but girls from Slavic countries have standards and don't put out for nothing, that varies of course of how westernized and broken they are. She sounds like wife-material but you are looking for a cumdump so you gotta look somewhere else.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

She is into you but you have lie low and tone it down. You actually have a great catch and are unable to see it. If you want to use a girl as cumdump that is on you, but girls from Slavic countries have standards and don't put out for nothing, that varies of course of how westernized and broken they are. She sounds like wife-material but you are looking for a cumdump so you gotta look somewhere else.

Is it common for them not to kiss until a 4th date?

 

[member160761]

Is it common for them not to kiss until a 4th date?

That depends on the girl. Russian girls don't like to put out. They aim for marriage. Not all of them but this is the general attitude. If it is a high quality girl she will delay getting physical. If you are a high quality guy and befriend her she will start chasing you after one two months.

 

[EyeBRollin]

This whole thread is cap. Even the most conservative of girls will kiss you by the second date when they like you. You are an option at best. Find a girl that actually likes you.

 

[member160761]

most conservative of girls

I dunno who you are dating but I think you meant "most conservative of sluts".

 

[EyeBRollin]

I dunno who you are dating but I think you meant "most conservative of sluts".

Nah.

 

[Cerwin Vega]

I take that the majority here is American and had little interaction with "fresh off-the-boat" broads coming from conservative backgrounds.

Some girls (esp. from a conservative background) might be really into you and yet they'll make you wait, even for a kiss, because that's how they were raised.
No amount of DJing is gonna help, and to a degree - trying to push further can be counterproductive, unless you are at an immediate risk of dying in the next couple of days, and you must pass your DNA on TODAY. If she digs you, she'll be less resistant next time and you'll probably score. Why force yourself?

I get it, the idea that she would probably **** chad thunderc0ck behind the dumpster within 5 minutes of knowing him would drive anyone crazy, but your actions should be dictated by what is your end goal with that broad. If you're looking to simply bust a nut over/into a good looking female body, then by all means disregard what I wrote and go shatter the resistance; but I already wrote that this is not what I'm looking for, and forcing sex early if she's resisting it (i.e. more than a slight LMR) is detrimental if you're trying to build something meaningful.

As mentioned before, most of my lays were on 1st/2nd dates, but there were a few that made me wait. Maybe I lacked the knowledge on how to escalate, but that happened with Iranians and Russians (again, more conservative), but I could tell they are literally holding their drenched panties from falling off at the xth date, and eagerly jumped at my d1ck on the x+1th date.

I don't say that this is the case with the HB9 in question. She might be "special" and makes no exception for any guy. She might as well be just playing/"testing the waters" with me and at the meanwhile ****ing someone on the side, like the disastrous "advice" given on https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/dkp0l4
I asked her out for coffee downtown on Thursday. I don't mind going out and being seen dating a very hot girl in public. I've read somewhere on the board that the initial month can sometimes be 70-30 (guy-gal) in terms of pursuit (but it should reverse after sex), because after all - we're the ones hunting.

Based on my previous experience, she doesn't seem to "try and hold her panties from falling off", and prefers public dates, hence I should reduce my efforts since I've reached my "70" limit. I am not going to initiate contact with her nor ask her out anymore apart from the already scheduled date. If she doesn't initiate anything after that, it's over (more like, it was over from the beginning).

 

[member160761]

I take that the majority here is American and had little interaction with "fresh off-the-boat" broads coming from conservative backgrounds.

Some girls (esp. from a conservative background) might be really into you and yet they'll make you wait, even for a kiss, because that's how they were raised.
No amount of DJing is gonna help, and to a degree - trying to push further can be counterproductive, unless you are at an immediate risk of dying in the next couple of days, and you must pass your DNA on TODAY. If she digs you, she'll be less resistant next time and you'll probably score. Why force yourself?

I get it, the idea that she would probably **** chad thunderc0ck behind the dumpster within 5 minutes of knowing him would drive anyone crazy, but your actions should be dictated by what is your end goal with that broad. If you're looking to simply bust a nut over/into a good looking female body, then by all means disregard what I wrote and go shatter the resistance; but I already wrote that this is not what I'm looking for, and forcing sex early if she's resisting it (i.e. more than a slight LMR) is detrimental if you're trying to build something meaningful.

As mentioned before, most of my lays were on 1st/2nd dates, but there were a few that made me wait. Maybe I lacked the knowledge on how to escalate, but that happened with Iranians and Russians (again, more conservative), but I could tell they are literally holding their drenched panties from falling off at the xth date, and eagerly jumped at my d1ck on the x+1th date.

I don't say that this is the case with the HB9 in question. She might be "special" and makes no exception for any guy. She might as well be just playing/"testing the waters" with me and at the meanwhile ****ing someone on the side, like the disastrous "advice" given on https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/dkp0l4
I asked her out for coffee downtown on Thursday. I don't mind going out and being seen dating a very hot girl in public. I've read somewhere on the board that the initial month can sometimes be 70-30 (guy-gal) in terms of pursuit (but it should reverse after sex), because after all - we're the ones hunting.

Based on my previous experience, she doesn't seem to "try and hold her panties from falling off", and prefers public dates, hence I should reduce my efforts since I've reached my "70" limit. I am not going to initiate contact with her nor ask her out anymore apart from the already scheduled date. If she doesn't initiate anything after that, it's over (more like, it was over from the beginning).

I'd not write her off. Keep your game tight but don't become passive. Yes, she will pursue you but that will take time. No reason to be analytical about it. I am from a Slavic background and girls are like that. Just getting them out on a date when you are a stranger is hard, moreso for anything else. Your characters have to harmonize with no compulsion.

 

[RangerMIke]

Women do this because it works. She is already inside the head of the OP, so it's working. The more he thinks about her, the more obsessed he will become. It is an effective way they can screen out men that are willing to sacrifice for her, which in the woman's opinion, is what she believes makes a good candidate for a LTR.

She is looking for a relationship and if you are not then you need to pop smoke and move on. She is interested, but she is not head over heals yet. A woman that is nuts about you will not do this in spite of her 'rules'. If she is not willing to throw caution to the wind, you are not starting on the line. It's like a 100 meter dash... A woman that like you will put the line right at the start line... a woman that is interested... will move the start line 20 meters back, a woman that has very high attraction, will let you start at 80 meters... if she is head over heals she's let you start right at the finish line. A woman that is not at all interested will not let you run the race.

The only advice I have for the OP is to stop all this texting. Just make dates and see what happens, if no affection is a problem, then he should move on and see if she comes back. Don't get all butt hurt over it, you two are just after different things.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

She is looking for a relationship and if you are not then you need to pop smoke and move on. She is interested, but she is not head over heals yet. A woman that is nuts about you will not do this in spite of her 'rules'. If she is not willing to throw caution to the wind, you are not starting on the line. It's like a 100 meter dash... A woman that like you will put the line right at the start line... a woman that is interested... will move the start line 20 meters back, a woman that has very high attraction, will let you start at 80 meters... if she is head over heals she's let you start right at the finish line. A woman that is not at all interested will not let you run the race.

Yep, girls ain't making their top roster guy wait for sex for sure!