She's has done sexual stuff - and it bothers me

[ThunderMaverick]

You talking about God's people killing the cannenites? (sp?) those people wanted everyone who believed in God dead! That's why he sent his people to war. There was a good reason for that.

Ah side note. I worked a christian high school dance today (i was a bartender serving sodas) and alot of these kids were freaky as hell. There was this one little blonde girl who was forcing her date to grab her ass and she stabbed his mouth with her tounge vicously! lol I told them "we had college kids here yesterday and you guys are freakier than them!" One of the kids asked "why are we freakier?" One girl answered his question and said:

"because we're not allowed to be!"

That's why I don't date church girls.Waay too pent up.

 

[Lust]

I've been dating this girl for a few weeks officially, though we've been crazy for each other for much longer. She's catholic, and is a virgin. We agreed to wait until marriage to have sex with each other. Keep in mind I'm 17, and we're both high school juniors. We really have a strong loving relationshop.

But she recently told me that she has done sexual things (not sex), such as a blow job (which really bothers me), handjob, fingering, and eating her out. Surpirse! This came up in conversation when she wanted me to talk dirty to her, and I asked if she'd ever had an orgasm.

I got a kiss on the first date, the guy who did this took three months to get a kiss. After 6 or 7 months they did this stuff once with him, and they broke up after 9. She has said that she doesn't want to mess up again by doing this stuff. She only did it out of fear, because she thought it was the only way he'd stay with her.

I want to wait til marriage to have sex with her (I'm not a virgin), and I was willing to wait with this stuff. But now, after knowing that he's done something to her that I'm not allowed to do; I want to. It hurts, it makes me sad and angry. We've talked about it and she knows that I do have a problem with it, but I haven't said my opinion on us doing the stuff.

I'm pretty sure you already posted this up.

Use the search button instead of making another thread.

 

[md3sign]

You talking about God's people killing the cannenites? (sp?) those people wanted everyone who believed in God dead! That's why he sent his people to war. There was a good reason for that.

Ah side note. I worked a christian high school dance today (i was a bartender serving sodas) and alot of these kids were freaky as hell. There was this one little blonde girl who was forcing her date to grab her ass and she stabbed his mouth with her tounge vicously! lol I told them "we had college kids here yesterday and you guys are freakier than them!" One of the kids asked "why are we freakier?" One girl answered his question and said:

"because we're not allowed to be!"

That's why I don't date church girls.Waay too pent up.

not just the caananites but pretty much every non-israel nation that stood in their way or didn't believe in God. it's kinda funny cause supposedly they were delivered out of slavery, yet they made a lot of the people they conquered to do manual labor for them (i.e. slavery).

anyway, I agree that's one reason why they're so horny cause they're so limited and not allowed to explore their sexuality

 

[Luke Skywalker]

ok, arguing about the bible is stupid, but I'm gonna go ahead and be stupid for a minute

1) bible is full of contradictions left and right. first of all this is paul writing this stuff - he's an apostle, not God. even in corinthians he says go ahead and get married, then he says it's better for man and woman not to get married. so wtf. fornication is also translated from hebrew as sexual immorality. you can interpret that in many ways

He is saying, people who have NEVER married should get married AS OPPOSED to fornicating. BUT, people who have been divorced becaused of a failed marriage should not get re-married.

Paul no where discourages marriages, at worst, he would portray it as the right choice rather than fornication.

2) it's not one of the commandments and not something Jesus ever said.

Sure it is, would you like me to quote the bible and verse?
Jesus encourages marriage, but discourages divorce for any reason other than fornication. From the very beginning, Adam married Eve, God saw the creation of man needed a woman because that was the only aspect of creation that was not good, so He created Eve and women-kind.

even the commandments are contradictory if you're gonna follow the bible word for word from start to finish - murder is a sin, yet in half the books of the old testament God promotes mass genocide, including the straight up murder of women and children of other nations by Israel

I see no contradiction. Self-defence could also be murder, but if you have to kill someone to save your life then it's not murder. There are other situations other than this murder would be justified and not against any law, such as captial punishment, and war.

anyway. half the stuff people preach nowadays is complete bullsh!t promoted by their own lack of knowledge. how many people do you honestly know that have read the king james version of the bible from cover to cover?

Me. Well, I've read most of the KJV bible, still have to cover the major prophets and post-exile in the Old Testament.

 

[oakraiderz2]

Oh man on man. Don't get sucked in by the promise of pvssy. Seriously. She's making you wait cause she can. I've been there, trust me. I dated a "catholic" girl once who absolutely refused to have sex with me for months. I stuck with her cause she gave me head almost every time we hung out and I was a total AFC. Only when I snapped and decided not to take her sh!t anymore and opened my eyes did a sliver of respect come back and she started gettin freaky.

He's selfish? EVERYONE is selfish. Look inside yourself and ask what you really want. Not what someone told you or you saw on tv or heard in a classroom. Follow your instincts - they don't lie.

Also, messing up her religious values? wtf. do you have ANY idea how horny all these "catholic" girls really are? and while we're at it, where on earth does it say that premarital sex is bad? fvck .. the entire institution of marriage as we know it is contemporary

My advice - you're young, you don't know wtf you want at 17 (hell most kids out of college still don't know what they want to do), and you need EXPERIENCE to figure that out. move on this chick and if you can't get it soon, break it off. unless she's some goddess (highly doubtful) I'd break it off either way.

I bet when you split up she'll give in to at least something.

if only I knew at 17 what I know now ...

Preach it my good man.

 

[md3sign]

He is saying, people who have NEVER married should get married AS OPPOSED to fornicating. BUT, people who have been divorced becaused of a failed marriage should not get re-married.

Paul no where discourages marriages, at worst, he would portray it as the right choice rather than fornication.

Sure it is, would you like me to quote the bible and verse?
Jesus encourages marriage, but discourages divorce for any reason other than fornication. From the very beginning, Adam married Eve, God saw the creation of man needed a woman because that was the only aspect of creation that was not good, so He created Eve and women-kind.

I see no contradiction. Self-defence could also be murder, but if you have to kill someone to save your life then it's not murder. There are other situations other than this murder would be justified and not against any law, such as captial punishment, and war.

Me. Well, I've read most of the KJV bible, still have to cover the major prophets and post-exile in the Old Testament.

He does discourage it. He says it's better for a man and a woman not to get married. Read it again. Do I really have to quote?

Adam and Eve were married? Really? I don't remember that at all ..

Since you haven't read the prophets or the post-exile of the old Testament (where all of this genocide is found), you can't talk about seeing or not seeing any contradictions. Israel wasn't threatened by anyone after the Exodus - they spread out and conquered (read: killed) most of the nations in their path, while taking others as slaves. Seriously, take some time and read it. Sure it's not as "entertaining" as the gospel, but it's good to know and will give you a better view of the book as a whole.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

He does discourage it. He says it's better for a man and a woman not to get married. Read it again. Do I really have to quote?

Yes you'll have to quote it because in the context of fornication, marriage is addressed as acceptable, fornication is forbidden. So, unless you are an asexual or are spiritually amibitious to the point you genuinely do not care about sexuality or any carnal issues in life - which in fact is what really IS being encouraged, then marriage is obviously encouraged.

Paul strongly encourages a close spiritual walk with God, and I think if you miss the heart of what he's saying, then sure, it may come across as excessively legalistic.

The concept here, is if you are married, then you have to take care of your family, and your wife, and that could sort of muddle up your spiritual ambitioun to make a difference in the world. A woman would more than likely drag down such an ambition - and I see I have seen many cases where this saying is true.

People who wanted to do something big with their lives, all of a sudden find themselves stuck in some rut where they have to support a wife and family and are in that level for the rest of their lives. But, if you must be a playboy or fornicate, than sure, you should settle down with one woman and marry her - and that makes sence. You have your guaranteed sex with one woman, and you dont have to worry about contracting or spreading STD's or hurting people or being hurt in the process of conquest. So what Paul is saying makes allot of practical sense.

Adam and Eve were married? Really? I don't remember that at all ..

Yeah, do you want me to quote it for you?

Since you haven't read the prophets or the post-exile of the old Testament (where all of this genocide is found), you can't talk about seeing or not seeing any contradictions. Israel wasn't threatened by anyone after the Exodus - they spread out and conquered (read: killed) most of the nations in their path, while taking others as slaves.

What specific conquest or war are you talking about? Generally, most of the conquested nations also wanted Israel annihilated and destroyed - and the devil's running the show there and God is bringing judgement on those states that have practises such as sacrificing children to idols (Molech), etc....

There are other things that occurred before the exiles that I have read about and understand.

I can also say, you cant talk about genoside or what Israel had to do if you dont know the background of the people they conquested because without knowing the background you wont know about the just cause.

Seriously, take some time and read it. Sure it's not as "entertaining" as the gospel, but it's good to know and will give you a better view of the book as a whole.

The Gospel is not supposed to be entertaining, it shows the way to eternal life, which is through Jesus. It's your life-saver.

 

[Paintballguy]

no sex until marriage?? no thanks...

catholic girls are definitely not innocent. I dated this chick who went to catholic school and she was a total freak. All those rules they have make them get wild.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I've read this thread, and I'm familiar with the concept of the 'technical' virgin, or the 'hot' virgin. The virgin that has done everything but had penetrative sex. It does seem a bit disgusting to find out someone out there had your girl and you are dating a girl that someone else has already staked some sort of claim on that you haven't. Must feel rather uncomfortable.

 

[md3sign]

Yes you'll have to quote it because in the context of fornication, marriage is addressed as acceptable, fornication is forbidden. So, unless you are an asexual or are spiritually amibitious to the point you genuinely do not care about sexuality or any carnal issues in life - which in fact is what really IS being encouraged, then marriage is obviously encouraged.

Paul strongly encourages a close spiritual walk with God, and I think if you miss the heart of what he's saying, then sure, it may come across as excessively legalistic.

The concept here, is if you are married, then you have to take care of your family, and your wife, and that could sort of muddle up your spiritual ambitioun to make a difference in the world. A woman would more than likely drag down such an ambition - and I see I have seen many cases where this saying is true.

People who wanted to do something big with their lives, all of a sudden find themselves stuck in some rut where they have to support a wife and family and are in that level for the rest of their lives. But, if you must be a playboy or fornicate, than sure, you should settle down with one woman and marry her - and that makes sence. You have your guaranteed sex with one woman, and you dont have to worry about contracting or spreading STD's or hurting people or being hurt in the process of conquest. So what Paul is saying makes allot of practical sense.



Yeah, do you want me to quote it for you?



What specific conquest or war are you talking about? Generally, most of the conquested nations also wanted Israel annihilated and destroyed - and the devil's running the show there and God is bringing judgement on those states that have practises such as sacrificing children to idols (Molech), etc....

There are other things that occurred before the exiles that I have read about and understand.

I can also say, you cant talk about genoside or what Israel had to do if you dont know the background of the people they conquested because without knowing the background you wont know about the just cause.



The Gospel is not supposed to be entertaining, it shows the way to eternal life, which is through Jesus. It's your life-saver.

You just completely contradicted what you said all within the same paragraph. Furthermore, marriage does NOT equal guaranteed sex, all it guarantees is that you're stuck with the same person and could potentially lose half your sh!t - why don't you ask some of the married folks here about that one. If anything, you get LESS pvssy married than single.

Read the rest of the old testament and get back to me on this genocide. It's more than one specific conquest, there's DOZENS, where Israel is specifically instructed to kill all men, women, and children, leaving only the livestock and plundering gold/whatever else was of value. Read the first 3 books after exodus it comes up time and time again.

When you think about it, what made Israel the chosen nation anyway? Just because they were oppressed/enslaved? What made them better than any people? They were a pagan nation just like everyone else and did the same sh!t every other nation did. You should be able to think about this given that you've read the exodus.

Luke, no offense but your viewpoints are so skewed based on your personal experience (or rather lack thereof) it's pointless to argue any further. You're what like 30, you've just now KISSED girls, you've NEVER had sex (which changes your viewpoints entirely and until that happens you simply CANNOT see eye to eye with anyone who's done it), and you're preaching salvation on a website that's amoral to begin with.

This is getting waaaay off track though. OP - you already have my advice.

 

[azanon]

misc

Paul clearly clearly defined adultry as including sex outside of a marriage, and i'm relatively sure the bible considers adultry a sin.

But i'm an agnostic and dont assume any of that crap is true, so you religious guys can worry about justifying your actions. I'm just glad i dont have to rationalize my actions like m3 does.

 

[Embrace]

The reason you feel weird knowing that she has done sexual stuff with others is because youre insecure

Thats that

 

[md3sign]

eh you always rationalize your actions, just in a different way than the next person

I wasn't rationalizing anything, I was just pointing out the fact that the more you know/experience, the better you can form a more complete understanding and overview of any aspect of life, be it religious or otherwise.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

You just completely contradicted what you said all within the same paragraph.

How so?

Furthermore, marriage does NOT equal guaranteed sex, all it guarantees is that you're stuck with the same person and could potentially lose half your sh!t - why don't you ask some of the married folks here about that one. If anything, you get LESS pvssy married than single.

You seem to know allot about marriage. Have you ever been married before?

Read the rest of the old testament and get back to me on this genocide. It's more than one specific conquest, there's DOZENS, where Israel is specifically instructed to kill all men, women, and children, leaving only the livestock and plundering gold/whatever else was of value. Read the first 3 books after exodus it comes up time and time again.

That's not true. In the book of Samuel, Saul was instructed to kill the livestock, when they left over things of value, Saul lost his throne as king and David was annointed. In the book of Joshua, when a gold item was recovered by the conquest of Jerico, the guy that took the gold was stoned to death because all their 'valuables' were considered to be an 'accursed' object.

When you think about it, what made Israel the chosen nation anyway?

Because of God's Covenant with Abraham. God always keeps His Covenants.
You may as well ask why did God make a Covanant with Abraham and no one else? Because, Abraham was the only guy during that time that pleased God and that God choose Him to be the nation to which He would reveal Himself and His salvation plan for everyone.

Just because they were oppressed/enslaved?

Abraham was neither oppressed or enslaved. He came from a wealthy and prosperious family in Ur. He followed the call of God, left them and became a hermit.

What made them better than any people? They were a pagan nation just like everyone else and did the same sh!t every other nation did. You should be able to think about this given that you've read the exodus.

I've already answered your questions above. But the point of Israel is actually a point against self-righteousness and religion as a whole. Nobody is righteous. The perfect nation could not keep the law, if they couldn't, than that invalidates all other religions around that claim good-works and keeping a law will earn brownie points to enter into heaven.

The point is that all have sinned, come short of the glory of God and need a saviour. Israel in that context would be a guinie pig experiment on a group of people trying to be righeous by their own efforts before God - and you are right, that's why Jesus came, we all need a Saviour.

Luke, no offense but your viewpoints are so skewed based on your personal experience (or rather lack thereof) it's pointless to argue any further.

If I do not practise what I preach, then I would have to agree with you.
If I fornicated or had sex with someone, or continued to do so in a habitual basis, then, sure, that would be destructive to my own testimony to support what I'm saying.

Unless what I am doing, or confessed to have done, contradicts what I'm preaching, then I do not see your point in bringing up experience that does not contradict what I'm preaching, but in fact supports it.

The problem is that the Bible, and the contents are spiritually discerned, so unless you have a spiritual mind, you are unable to comprehend what the bible is saying. If you are sold to be a carnally minded person, then, I concede that there is no point in having a spiritual discussion. When you choose to see things from a spiritual perspective, then perhaps it will be fruitful to continue this discussion.

In terms of posting on an amoral website - it is irrelevant. Light is more powerful than darkness, and when the light is on, the darkness has no choice but to repel or go away. What I am saying is light based on scripture and there is nothing you can say to change that fact, but you must silently agree with what I'm saying.

 

[librito]

DUMP THAT FEMALE DOG AND START LIVING YOUR LIFE MAN.....
THATS ALL YOU HAVE TO DO.
its umbelieveable that we have to hear cases like this still.
what a puzzyfied world we live in.

 

[md3sign]

Alright Luke, I just randomly opened my book to Joshua, starting with 8:21:

"Ad when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai.
And the the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.
And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua.
And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the end of the sword.
And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai.
For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.
Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the Lord which he commanded Joshua."

Don't feel like typing the rest, but the city gets burned, the king gets hanged from a tree, and then to top it off his body is removed and set on a pile of rocks in front of the city for all to see.

And that's just one instance. ANYWAY

As for practicing what you preach, didn't you make a Christmas ad on adult websites specifically to get laid by some chicks even though you didn't go through with it? http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=113903

Don't make me quote what you wrote yourself ...

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Don't feel like typing the rest, but the city gets burned, the king gets hanged from a tree, and then to top it off his body is removed and set on a pile of rocks in front of the city for all to see.

And that's just one instance. ANYWAY

Ok, but you dont know the background of Ai, or of it's king. There were giants (human hybrid) reported on those land when the spies Caleb and Joshua went up the first time when Israel was in the wilderness. You dont know what practises Ai did. Whatever they were doing on that land they weren't God-fearing people.

As for practicing what you preach, didn't you make a Christmas ad on adult websites specifically to get laid by some chicks even though you didn't go through with it? http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=113903

Don't make me quote what you wrote yourself ...

No Christmas ad was placed on any adult website.

I never said I was perfect, nor does the bible teach sinless perfection, but the fact that I have not actually touched a woman sexually or committed fornication is what I'm referring to.

The point is you can call me if I'm not practising what I'm preaching, but you cant fault me for not contradicting what I'm preaching - that's just absurd.

 

[Pappadapolis]

Chicks who use the line "I don't want to ruin what we have with sex" are bullsh*t*n' you. I had a "save it till marriage" chick once who did everything else but vaginal intercourse. Your chick is already wearing the pants in the relationship.

Sex doesn't ruin relationships. Frustration over not having sex ruins relationships.

 

[md3sign]

Luke - wtf is a human hybrid and where did you get that, "giants" aren't the same thing

as far as not seeing any contradictions:

old testament - eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth

new testatment - turn the other cheek

both direct quotes

Pappa - I feel ya, been there done that. it's total bs

 

[Wyldfire]

Why did this turn into a religious debate over what Paul did or didn't say or mean?