She Blew Out the Pull, what happened?

[nicksaiz65]

I mean, they don't hurt, but if you value your time, I'd say they're a bit of a waste, yeah, especially if you're spending a pretty penny going out this often.

The only times I can recall going out during the week were during college syllabus week, and on vacation each year in Ocean City - because I'm literally on vacation and don't have work. However, I usually have to wait until Thursday onward to see any level of quality when it comes to the women.

I've slept on it, and I think I'll keep doing them because
A.) Solo sessions are awesome, and I'll do them during the week and weekend.
B.) Was going through some of my old FRs, and I forgot that some of those were during the week. I have a few from Monday & Tuesday. Of course, I screwed up the close at the time tho.
C.) Work sucks! Going out is the high point of my day.

In regards to cost: The most expensive part of going out a ton is actually the parking. Even just $10 a day, every single day, will really add up.

I've gotten around this by using the cheap library parking though.

 

[SW15]

For those who don't know, I am African American myself.

I've actually found the opposite situation. It seems that white women are the most receptive to me and black women will typically reject me.

In the most general terms, you have had the opposite of most men's experiences.

The typical male has the greatest success attracting women within their own race/ethnicity.

I've found in nightlife venues, approaching the big groups to be difficult. Still working on it.

Big groups are often difficult. Mystery Method was geared towards bigger groups but Roosh found that groups of 2-3 were his sweet spot.

I tend to think smaller groups of 2-3 are better than the larger groups in nightlife venues.

In non-bar approaching, there are so many situations where a man can approach an already isolated woman.

I cannot remember the last time I had a one-night-stand or a same-day-lay during the week. Weekends are when people don't have to worry about getting up the next morning for work, just got their paycheck and can have a little fun, etc.

It's more difficult to get same night sex off of a bar approach during the week, but it can happen.

Non-bar approaching rarely ever results in same day sex. It is usually setting up drinks dates at bars for future nights.

 

[BPH]

I've slept on it, and I think I'll keep doing them because
A.) Solo sessions are awesome, and I'll do them during the week and weekend.
B.) Was going through some of my old FRs, and I forgot that some of those were during the week. I have a few from Monday & Tuesday. Of course, I screwed up the close at the time tho.
C.) Work sucks! Going out is the high point of my day.

In regards to cost: The most expensive part of going out a ton is actually the parking. Even just $10 a day, every single day, will really add up.

I've gotten around this by using the cheap library parking though.

Fair enough.

Where I'm from, the spots to go out are barely good enough to justify the time and money on the weekends, let alone during the week.

If I lived somewhere like Miami or Phoenix, I'd probably be out much more often. But here it's still somewhat cold, and there really isn't anywhere nearby where hot women are common.

 

[SW15]

If I lived somewhere like Miami or Phoenix, I'd probably be out much more often. But here it's still somewhat cold, and there really isn't anywhere nearby where hot women are common.

Phoenix has its share of attractive women. However, Phoenix nights are not warm in the winter. While daytime highs in the winter months are pleasant, jackets are needed for going out at night when it will be in the 30s/40s Fahrenheit.

There's still a big drop off between daytime highs and nighttime lows in Phoenix, though it is not as big as it used to be when there was a lower population and less development in the area.

 

[New_Journey]

This was a black woman.. historically me and black women haven’t gotten along too well. Not sure if that’s relevant but, black women and I have historically never gotten along.

Yeah, cause they throw the biggest $hit test and you always fail.

We invited them back to an afterparty.

For how long did you guys build rapport? You don't know those girls and you invited them to after party?

but the girl I was talking to refused to even hold my hand.

You tried to hold the hand of a girl whom you don't know, haven't even kissed and have the mindset of " black chicks and I don't get along" wtf is wrong with you?

She was yapping my ear off, but she wouldn’t reciprocate my flirting at all. Then we reached the car and she threw a million objections.

Her to my Roommate:
“You’re driving? Aren’t you drunk? What’s 7 * 4?”
“That took way too long to answer!”
“I thought it was 5 mins up the street! We have to go in the car?”
“Why are we in a parking garage?”

She then blew out the set and dragged along the friend.

$hit test. You didn't know how to seduce her, and she's c0ck blocking your friends because you svck at seduction and she's disgusted by you.

My friend was like: “Damn!! What happened?”

Tell your friend that everything that happened was your fault for not being a seducer. If I were your friend, I would never invite you out again, and will tell you " when you know how seduce women, let me know, because obviously you're dragging me down, good luck"

 

[SW15]

For how long did you guys build rapport? You don't know those girls and you invited them to after party?

That's a good question. On a street approach late at night, I would guess that the party invite happened within 10 minutes.

I've never done night time street approaching in a bar district.

In daylight, my daygame approaches are usually at best 5-10 minute conversations with a invitations to meet at a bar for drinks in the near future.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Yeah, cause they throw the biggest $hit test and you always fail.


For how long did you guys build rapport? You don't know those girls and you invited them to after party?


You tried to hold the hand of a girl whom you don't know, haven't even kissed and have the mindset of " black chicks and I don't get along" wtf is wrong with you?


$hit test. You didn't know how to seduce her, and she's c0ck blocking your friends because you svck at seduction and she's disgusted by you.


Tell your friend that everything that happened was your fault for not being a seducer. If I were your friend, I would never invite you out again, and will tell you " when you know how seduce women, let me know, because obviously you're dragging me down, good luck"

This has worked just fine in the past. We’ve gotten girls from the street, to the car, to our apartment. However, with this specific girl, she gave a ridiculous amount of pushback. Nothing that can be done on that: she’s not attracted to me.

Everyone has archetypes. When I look at the data from nights out, I seem to just get a better response from white women. It is what it is.

I think there is something to be said for passing $hit tests, but for this particular girl, not much that can be done.

 

[nicksaiz65]

That's a good question. On a street approach late at night, I would guess that the party invite happened within 10 minutes.

I've never done night time street approaching in a bar district.

In daylight, my daygame approaches are usually at best 5-10 minute conversations with a invitations to meet at a bar for drinks in the near future.

Yep, you’re right. About a 5-10 minute conversation.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Yeah I'd agree with that. A lot of the situations OP describes sound like he's the victim of circumstances he didn't choose to be a part of.

Getting back to all my SS messages…

Doing some reflecting today, you’re totally right. I need to rely more on myself and be able to go out (and crush it!!!) solo then I’m not going to be successful and get the results that I need to get.

I’ve never had any altercations with wings, and I’ve had some very positive relations, and it is nice to have some help with groups, but I have had the following issues come up:
- Take the rejections super personally and want to stop before we reach the threshold where we could realistically pull (without just getting very lucky)
- Get super upset about the rejections and then get in a bad mood the rest of the night. One bad rejection will ruin their whole night and mood
- Have the mindset of “this is so lame/this isn’t even worth it/this is bullsh*t.” If this is your mindset, you’re gonna have a bad time
- Getting slammed from alcohol and getting emotional drunk and then getting in a horrible mood for the session
- Not jumping in to help me with groups after a few rejections (this is the whole idea behind a wing!!!)
- Get into a relationship with a girl from OLD and then lose the edge or don’t want to approach anymore. This is SUPER common.


The ability to go out solo solves ALL of these issues. So I am going to HAVE to do that to be successful, these solo sessions are going to be where the “real money” is. Basically, I agree with what you’re saying lol.

 

[BPH]

Getting back to all my SS messages…

Doing some reflecting today, you’re totally right. I need to rely more on myself and be able to go out (and crush it!!!) solo then I’m not going to be successful and get the results that I need to get.

I’ve never had any altercations with wings, and I’ve had some very positive relations, and it is nice to have some help with groups, but I have had the following issues come up:
- Take the rejections super personally and want to stop before we reach the threshold where we could realistically pull (without just getting very lucky)
- Get super upset about the rejections and then get in a bad mood the rest of the night. One bad rejection will ruin their whole night and mood
- Have the mindset of “this is so lame/this isn’t even worth it/this is bullsh*t.” If this is your mindset, you’re gonna have a bad time
- Getting slammed from alcohol and getting emotional drunk and then getting in a horrible mood for the session
- Not jumping in to help me with groups after a few rejections (this is the whole idea behind a wing!!!)
- Get into a relationship with a girl from OLD and then lose the edge or don’t want to approach anymore. This is SUPER common.


The ability to go out solo solves ALL of these issues. So I am going to HAVE to do that to be successful, these solo sessions are going to be where the “real money” is. Basically, I agree with what you’re saying lol.

I don't even think this has to be that deep.

Just go out with your wings or friends or whoever - but do what YOU want to do, rather than letting them affect your night.

 

[Bokanovsky]

She blew out the pull? Talk about clickbait. This thread is not what I thought it would be about

 

[Travel memoir21]

I think it is a more challenging pull scenario for 2 men who are roommates to bring a 2 set of women back to the same apartment.

I've never winged with a roommate before so I would want others who might have had that experience to comment on it.



When you bring race/ethnicity into the equation, it is helpful for other posters to know your own race/ethnicity.

In general, it is easier to interact with and to seduce women within your own race/ethnicity. Most men find their successful attraction/seduction rate is highest with women of their own race/ethnicity.

I am a White male. I don't have a lot of advice on Black women. I'm rarely ever interested in a Black woman.

I find White and Hispanic/Latina women most physically attractive. The majority of my interactions with White women and a small percentage are with Hispanic women. Over 90% of my interactions are with White women.

Black men are usually well set up for success with Black women. When Black men interact with Black women, the interaction feels different than a White/Hispanic/Asian man interacting with a Black woman.

One unique factor about Black women is that they are rarely pursued by non-Black men.

Black women culturally are quite different from White women.



There's often a penis blocker in 2 or 3 set. Penis blockers in a set can be any race/ethnicity.



What this sounds like to me is a situation where there's a penis blocker. The penis blocker friend was being a penis blocker because she wasn't attracted to you.

Additionally, this was a difficult game situation in general. This wasn't pure night game. Night game is typically considered the inside of nightlife venues. This was a street approach at night. The street in general is the most difficult venue for approaching.

One particular woman not being attracted to you during a street approach (and also a street approach during darkness - an even more difficult time) isn't an event that can lead to a reasonable conclusion about anything.

The only conclusion is that one woman on a street in a nightlife venue district wasn't attracted to you somewhere between 11 PM - 3 AM.

If I was a black man…Id be interested in pursuing women in places like Africa, Haiti, some places in Jamaica but not in America. They’re infected with that lgbtq Woke- you go girl attitude which is totally unpleasant.

 

[New_Journey]

I’ve never had any altercations with wings, and I’ve had some very positive relations, and it is nice to have some help with groups, but I have had the following issues come up:
- Take the rejections super personally and want to stop before we reach the threshold where we could realistically pull (without just getting very lucky)
- Get super upset about the rejections and then get in a bad mood the rest of the night. One bad rejection will ruin their whole night and mood
- Have the mindset of “this is so lame/this isn’t even worth it/this is bullsh*t.” If this is your mindset, you’re gonna have a bad time
- Getting slammed from alcohol and getting emotional drunk and then getting in a horrible mood for the session
- Not jumping in to help me with groups after a few rejections (this is the whole idea behind a wing!!!)
- Get into a relationship with a girl from OLD and then lose the edge or don’t want to approach anymore. This is SUPER common.

Right now your mindset is to think you are not the prize. Choose a goal and work one one at a time, the easiest first. You'll know when you are doing it when you have successes. And success gives you success.

 

[nicksaiz65]

I don't even think this has to be that deep.

Just go out with your wings or friends or whoever - but do what YOU want to do, rather than letting them affect your night.

That’s fair. My bad, was upset about some wing stuff that night haha