She Blew Out the Pull, what happened?

[nicksaiz65]

I went out last weekend to do some Nightgame with my roommate. We ended up meeting two girls on the street.

With my roommate, it was instantly on to the point where he was making out with her on the street. With my girl, however…

This was a black woman.. historically me and black women haven’t gotten along too well. Not sure if that’s relevant but, black women and I have historically never gotten along.

We invited them back to an afterparty. They went with us, but the girl I was talking to refused to even hold my hand.

Bad sign.

She was yapping my ear off, but she wouldn’t reciprocate my flirting at all. Then we reached the car and she threw a million objections.

Her to my Roommate:
“You’re driving? Aren’t you drunk? What’s 7 * 4?”
“That took way too long to answer!”
“I thought it was 5 mins up the street! We have to go in the car?”
“Why are we in a parking garage?”

She then blew out the set and dragged along the friend.

My friend was like: “Damn!! What happened?”

I’m just trying to suss out why this happened in the first place. I’m not sure if this woman wasn’t attractive to me in the slightest(solution: improve SMV?) or if there’s something else technical game, or verbals wise I could be doing. It’s hard to tell sometimes. It’s just extremely frustrating when this stuff happens.

 

[SW15]

With my roommate, it was instantly on to the point where he was making out with her on the street. With my girl, however…

She then blew out the set and dragged along the friend.

I think it is a more challenging pull scenario for 2 men who are roommates to bring a 2 set of women back to the same apartment.

I've never winged with a roommate before so I would want others who might have had that experience to comment on it.

This was a black woman.. historically me and black women haven’t gotten along too well. Not sure if that’s relevant but, black women and I have historically never gotten along.

When you bring race/ethnicity into the equation, it is helpful for other posters to know your own race/ethnicity.

In general, it is easier to interact with and to seduce women within your own race/ethnicity. Most men find their successful attraction/seduction rate is highest with women of their own race/ethnicity.

I am a White male. I don't have a lot of advice on Black women. I'm rarely ever interested in a Black woman.

I find White and Hispanic/Latina women most physically attractive. The majority of my interactions with White women and a small percentage are with Hispanic women. Over 90% of my interactions are with White women.

Black men are usually well set up for success with Black women. When Black men interact with Black women, the interaction feels different than a White/Hispanic/Asian man interacting with a Black woman.

One unique factor about Black women is that they are rarely pursued by non-Black men.

Black women culturally are quite different from White women.

she threw a million objections.

She then blew out the set and dragged along the friend.

There's often a penis blocker in 2 or 3 set. Penis blockers in a set can be any race/ethnicity.

I’m just trying to suss out why this happened in the first place. I’m not sure if this woman wasn’t attractive to me in the slightest(solution: improve SMV?) or if there’s something else technical game, or verbals wise I could be doing. It’s hard to tell sometimes. It’s just extremely frustrating when this stuff happens.

she wouldn’t reciprocate my flirting at all.

What this sounds like to me is a situation where there's a penis blocker. The penis blocker friend was being a penis blocker because she wasn't attracted to you.

Additionally, this was a difficult game situation in general. This wasn't pure night game. Night game is typically considered the inside of nightlife venues. This was a street approach at night. The street in general is the most difficult venue for approaching.

One particular woman not being attracted to you during a street approach (and also a street approach during darkness - an even more difficult time) isn't an event that can lead to a reasonable conclusion about anything.

The only conclusion is that one woman on a street in a nightlife venue district wasn't attracted to you somewhere between 11 PM - 3 AM.

 

[Barrister]

OP,

@SW15 did a pretty good job of breaking down that whole interaction. What I will simply say is that it isn’t worth losing sleep over due to a single woman not being interested in you and sabotaging your set. There could be a million reasons why she wasn’t feeling it - or, especially considering she’s a woman, there may be none at all and she just has a bizarre, challenging personality that you were best avoiding anyway.

Move on. Way better women out there and there doesn’t sound like there was anything wrong with your approach.

 

[SW15]

there doesn’t sound like there was anything wrong with your approach.

Blaine Anderson (a fish trying to teach men to catch fish) made a valid point on one of her YouTube Shorts about this. There are times when a man is doing everything correct and he will still fail on approaches.

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Blaine Anderson's example was an example of why non-bar approaching (typically done during daylight/early evening hours) is horribly inefficient though. The majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting. That is a major disincentive for doing non-bar approaching.

Blaine herself is a married woman. Blaine was playing pickleball with 3 other women. Those 3 women were a combination of married women or unmarried women in exclusive LTRs. None of the women were seeking new penis at the moment.

Blaine's situation was a situation where 2 men approached 4 women likely at a public park with pickleball courts. While Blaine credited the men with doing the right things in their approach game, it's somewhere between unclear and inaccurate whether those men did the right thing.

We don't know where this park was. Was this park in a suburban neighborhood? Was this a park in a singles dense urban neighborhood? While most non-bar approaching is inefficient, picking the right venues/neighborhoods for doing approaching will make a difference.

2 men approaching a group of 4 women isn't ideal in either nightlife venues or non-bar venues. It's better when 2 men approach a group of 2 women like in @nicksaiz65 's case. Larger groups tend to be more inefficient. However, in that non-bar setting, it might be possible for the 2 men to find 2 single women in a group of 4. However, it would have been more probable in a nightlife venues group of 4 as compared to a group of 4 in a non-bar setting.

In non-bar approaching, it's very difficult to find women who are available at any given moment. In Blaine's situation, it seems like the women announced their statuses to the men. In most approach scenarios, most women are standoffish and will try to force the conversation to die within 30-60 seconds before a date offer can be made. This is the soft no as compared to the hard no. Most women in non-bar settings aren't seeking new penis at the moment, aren't going to engage in conversation with men, and also aren't going to reveal their relationship status in the interaction.

 

[Barrister]

Blaine Anderson (a fish trying to teach men to catch fish) made a valid point on one of her YouTube Shorts about this. There are times when a man is doing everything correct and he will still fail on approaches.

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Blaine Anderson's example was an example of why non-bar approaching (typically done during daylight/early evening hours) is horribly inefficient though. The majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting. That is a major disincentive for doing non-bar approaching.

Blaine herself is a married woman. Blaine was playing pickleball with 3 other women. Those 3 women were a combination of married women or unmarried women in exclusive LTRs. None of the women were seeking new penis at the moment.

Blaine's situation was a situation where 2 men approached 4 women likely at a public park with pickleball courts. While Blaine credited the men with doing the right things in their approach game, it's somewhere between unclear and inaccurate whether those men did the right thing.

We don't know where this park was. Was this park in a suburban neighborhood? Was this a park in a singles dense urban neighborhood? While most non-bar approaching is inefficient, picking the right venues/neighborhoods for doing approaching will make a difference.

2 men approaching a group of 4 women isn't ideal in either nightlife venues or non-bar venues. It's better when 2 men approach a group of 2 women like in @nicksaiz65 's case. Larger groups tend to be more inefficient. However, in that non-bar setting, it might be possible for the 2 men to find 2 single women in a group of 4. However, it would have been more probable in a nightlife venues group of 4 as compared to a group of 4 in a non-bar setting.

In non-bar approaching, it's very difficult to find women who are available at any given moment. In Blaine's situation, it seems like the women announced their statuses to the men. In most approach scenarios, most women are standoffish and will try to force the conversation to die within 30-60 seconds before a date offer can be made. This is the soft no as compared to the hard no. Most women in non-bar settings aren't seeking new penis at the moment, aren't going to engage in conversation with men, and also aren't going to reveal their relationship status in the interaction.

This is anecdotal (and somewhat piggybacking off of what you said), but I have found when I am cold approaching with a wingman, it usually works better if one of us opens rather than both walking up at once and opening together. I think women tend to be more resistant to approaches in general if multiple men are approaching at once. I don’t know the psychology behind that, but I have observed there always seems to be greater resistance from a group approach than one done by a single man.

In this situation, the second guy can join after - and usually the board has already been set as far as who the first guy is going to go for which is the disadvantage. But it tends to work better IMO.

 

[BadBoy89]

This was a black woman.. historically me and black women haven’t gotten along too well. Not sure if that’s relevant but, black women and I have historically never gotten along.

I’m just trying to suss out why this happened in the first place.

It happened because she was black.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Speaking as a white guy, black women are more difficult than usual when there are a lot of pretty, white blonde women around whom they have to compete with. I assume Nashville is the same as Arizona in this regard.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Agree with SW15. If she’s with a friend that doesn’t get male attention regularly, you are in for a long night. That’s just how they are.

 

[Clockwerk50]

With Black women especially, you gotta come correct. The energy, the presence, the vibe—if it’s off or feels lazy, you’re getting tested. And that girl wasn’t just being difficult, she was shooting you with questions to see if you’d fold. You got **** tested hard, and instead of leaning in with grounded confidence, it sounds like you got thrown off.

In my experience, if you are not black, they just feel a little bit insecure as to why you want them and they just want to confirm your motive.