Seraph's Boot Camp Journal

[Ever onward]

apod-

That's exactly what I said in another post. I too have become comfortable. I've gotten a few dates and I'm more outgoing so I feel I don't have to push myself as hard.

We all need to remember to see this thing through to the end. Regardless of any girls that come along, that we may or may not hook up with.

It's about self improvement, not getting the girl.

Hey Seraph, I'm going to push myself and make it to week 4 by Friday. I'm catching up. Don't give up.

 

[Seraph]

Sorry I couldn't post yesterday. Very busy and very hectic day. Do not fret children, I bring good news Posts for Thursday and friday are here, I wrote them offline. I'll post them up and then I gotta jet.

Apod- Thanks a bunch man, I'm glad I can turn to you to help me out when I need it. You're so right about the comfort thing, I need to keep pushing myself every day, you know? Every day. Be it talking with girls, talking with strangers, a sh!tload more of C+F , whatever. I must always push forward.

EO- Thanks for the support man, I'm rooting for ya.

Now on to thursday's post:
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Today was hectic. I went to Union station to get some drawings for my storyboarding class. It was my first time there, and I didn't have to go, but it was recommended. I went because you never know where you might meet a girl, and I had been complaining about the regular places getting boring. So I go there, get my drawings and when I'm at the metro, waiting for the red line, I see this girl in a cowboy-type hat and a big ass belt buckle. She was kinda cute, blonde and had some bags with her, so I thought she went to Texas or something. Train comes, we sit down and she initiates a smile at me. I'm like "hmm, if only my stop wasn't coming up so soon I'd talk to her". Like 10 seconds later, my stop comes up (I had to switch lines to get to Uinion station) and I get ready to go. I see her getting up as well and think " well damn, if she's getting off here there is no way in hell I can just pass this oppurtunity by. So the people crowd off the metro and I catch up to her by the escalators. I " accidentally " bump into her (wink wink, nudge nudge) and we both say sorry. I then leap into a convo by asking her if she enjoyed her trip. I found out her name is Mara, and she's coming back from college- it's her fall break right now. Lucky girl. I tell her about my sketches and she tells me she decided to take the orange line to annapolis because it's easier than the other way she has tried in the past. Long story short, she was getting on a different train than I was, and we only talked for (literally) 2 and a half minutes. I didn't get to ask her number (I sadly let her drag on instead of just asking for it) because my train pulled up. I couldn't wait for another one because I had to get to work. Oh well, it's the first approach I've done in a large group of people, so I'm feeling good about that.

I get to the parking lot and my front left tire goes out on me as I am on my way out. Good thing I didn't wait for another train, because I had to change the tire, then go to my friends shop so he could fix up the old one and put the spare back in my trunk. Then I had to rush home, take a quick shower and eat. I got to work a few minutes late, but still within an acceptable limit. Today was my first day at the kiosk, and sadly, the girl I was
going to ask out isn't there. I make the best out of the situation and make sure to keep eye contact and smile at any hot girls that walk by. This one chick goes by with some coffee or w/e, is like a f-ing 8.5. I smile/make eye contact and do apod's " stare down" technique. She sort of looks down demurly, and we both know that I'm checking her out. It doesn't even need to be said. About 20 mins later she walks by (same thing happens again), and I find out she works at one of the stores near my calendar kiosk. The bookstore where I work at is just around the corner, so I'm free to stare at the young ladies that pass by. It's slow as sh!t, so the guy that works in the redskins store near my kiosk is out every now and again, talking to the small asian guy in the sunglasses hut next door. The hb 8.5 joins them and they chat for a bit. Soon the skins guy comes by, looking at some calendars. I get the feeling he wanted to see if I was cool to hang out with, but I wasn't feeling like going out on a limb- I was bored out of my midn though. 8.5 comes up and soon asks me about family guy calendars. We don't have that stuff so I tell her. They move to the bench that is in the center of our hallway and chill. I finally work up the nerve and just go over and introduce myself. 8.5's name is Zora, and Matt is the skin employee. It was crazy, because in just a few mins I was chilling right along with them. I met the asian guy, and another guy that works at a cellphone kisok as well. Asian guy acted all AFC and mumbled his name, so I couldn't hear it. Other guy's name is Jordan, I think. A little C+F went down, but she turned out to have signs of being an attention wh0re/ fvckslut, so I didn't bother with getting her number. I'll use her to practice C+F on, if I hang out with them anymore. I'm working tomorrow night so we'll see how that goes.

Hectic day, but at least I bit the bullet and did things that I woudln't have done a year ago.

 

[Seraph]

Friday's post:
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Hah! Today was the best day in awhile in terms of progess. Maybe the best since I asked out 3 girls in a row. Not to you of course, but I showed myself that I'm not totally done for, BC wise. I can still put forth an effort when I try. I'll split this post into sections to make things easier for you guys.

School
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I'm starting to have periods where I don't feel like trying to flirt with girls. I'm not talking about times where I choke, or times where I freeze up. I'm talking about times when I just don't feel like being bothered with it. I was in the library today and got a
look-over from more than one girl, but I didn't feel like dealing with it then. I just wanted to surf the web and read up on some stuff.Math class- 1 or 2 potentials I guess, but in the begining of the class I wasn't paying that much attention.I tried to be a bit outgoing- not as much as I could be, but more than I usually am on the first day. Eventually I scanned them all, and they're not bad- but one of them that stuck out was this freshman (HB6) with huge titties. They were natural too, because they weren't super crazy firm with perma-hard nipples, and she had the slight
pouch that comes from natural big titties. Nothing disgusting, just the hint of a pouch that most big-breasted women have when they are young. After class, we were walking by eachother in the metro, we made eye contact and I smiled at her. She didn't smile back, so I thought she was shy (she gave me a number of glances in class) until she walked a bit faster than me to get ahead and started swishing her hips. Hillarious stuff to see a white girl with almost no ass try to swish her hips. B+ for effort though. Yea anyway though, she was a shy girl, and I love shy girls for some reason. The bank teller, bookstore girls, I dunno why, I just love the shy girls. Anyway, I initiate kino when we get on the escalator (her in front of me) by tapping her arm and asking if this was her first quarter. I then did some more kino by touching her portfolio (all newbie animators get one) and then I did a handshake intro after we got off the escalator. Only thing I did bad was her name, it was Alexa and I called her Alexi. I couldn't help it though, the teacher had been calling her Alexi all through class and she kept correcting him. Next time I should try some C+F and tell her to hit me for every time I get her name wrong . A little bit after I did the handshake, my train pulled up (deja vu anyone?) and I told her to have a nice day and got on. She was receptive IMO, but still a bit reserved. Or maybe I didn't do enough C+F. Oh
well, more practice on that later.


Metro
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I got on the metro and sat next to this pretty black girl, mid 20's I think and lightskinned. I was going to try to start up a convo with her (not a number close, just a warm-up for work's rejection) but she passed out almost as soon as she sat down. She woke up at the second to last stop, and sneezed. I said " bless you" and then, like on auto-pilot I said " Long day?" And the convo went from there. Again, a very short convo since we were almost ot the last stop, but it's still better than nothing. I told her ot
have a good day when I got up to leave and she said the same, and wished me a good weekend.

She was a shy one too.

Work
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Ah...the meat of the post. What we all (and I mean all, myself included) have been waiting for. Since I've been a douche and not tried (I really didn't even bother guys =/) to get another rejection, this was the primetime of my day. I walked in the mall expecting to see her at the kiosk and I see her there....with a co-worker named Brian. He was just dropping off some boxes for her/me to unpack, so I went to the store to sign in real quick, in hopes of coming back to the kiosk with only her there. I was so determined to get the rejection I would have asked Brian to leave us alone (even though I don't know the guy that well) just to get that rejection. I'm telling you, nothing short of a heart attack would have stopped me after I signed in. Thankfullly, Brian was on his way back when I came out so when I got to the Kiosk, she was alone. I started some idle chatter, found out about
what I'd have to do later that night, and then asked her if she was doing anything this weekend. She didn't get the hint obviously, because she just said work and something else
(can't remember). So I asked her if she would like to go out sometime. She got red in the face, smiled and said " if you mean on a DATE,. I can't, I have a boyfriend ". I kidded her by saying " aww, what a shame ". She giggled and said that she was flattered though. After that everything was cool. She went back to the store and I handled the kiosk normally. Thing is though folks, it didn't even phase me. Just another notch to the belt. I
used to get pumped and pysched after a rejection, like " YES!!1 I did it, I asked her out! Hell yes! " ...now it's really not that big of a deal. I'd post more, but I have to go eat and shower real quick before I go out with my friends. Maybe I'll post some theories about people that I picked up from work later on.

Approach in a crowded metro station? Check.
Convo start-up on the metro? Check.
Ask a co-worker out? Check.

All in one day? Check, check check.

I'll leave you all with some words my Math teacher (more or less) said today about learning in class.

" How did you learn to ride a bycicle? Did you just watch someone ride it around for awhile, and then hop on and know how to ride perfectly? No, of course not. You got on and you had times where you fell down. Well folks, if you want to get anywhere in life, you're going to have to fall down a few times. What makes the difference is that you get back up and kep trying. I'm here to help you out, but you can't make any progess until you fall down. So are you going to sit on the curb or hop on that bike for one more try?
Sometimes all you need is one more try. "

EDIT: Apod is the man, I have to push myself to this type of caliber every day.

 

[Seraph]

Bump- I've never seen such a mass amount of silly threads in such a short amount of time. It's like 20 guys decided to post topics about stuff that shouldn't have been asked in the first place. That or stuff that has already been gone over.

 

[Seraph]

7th Rejection, 3 left to go

It's been a long day! Woo, I'm kinda beat but I'll try to type this all up before I go to sleep.

Weekend
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Saturday-Worked on convo skills some more with one of my friends gf's (not the one I mentioned earlier). I even tried the " how did you feel about that" thing from the bible and it got a good reaction. I always thought it would sound odd for me to say that out loud, but it just seemed like any other question. Since it was my friends b-day we went out and had a good time. I acted a fool and brought the laughs, it was good stuff.

Sunday- Remember the gf of my friend that I talked about earlier in this BC? Yea well I hung out with him, her and the birthday boy from yesterday on Sunday. I tried to switch it off and on and for one part of the day (while we were in Wendy's) I acted semi cold towards her, and turned my back on her and the others while in line. I didn't really talk, didn't try to bring the laughs like I normally do when I'm around her. It felt good to switch things up, keep her on her feet. I also complimented her about how she doesn't wear the crappy hoodie anymore (she actually wears shirts that highlight the titties now) and got a good reaction from it. We playfully toyed around the idea of her dressing up like that for me . One more thing, I commented on how when I look at her (or her bf), they get nervous and said how it was funny. It was simple teasing, and got good laughs from her.

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Today
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Taking Apod's advice to heart, I decided to get back into exercising. I had been slacking off, and also hadn't been eating as much as I could (trying to gain weight). I went to bodybuilder.com forums, and looked up some things on gaining weight, and realized I was eating the wrong types of foods. Anyway, in the morning I went out and jogged. It felt good to take up jogging again, it's been like a week since I last ran.

After that, I cleaned out my car a bit, and went to Giant. When I was in an ile (sp?), one of the giant workers (he was shelfing) saw me and when I got into earshot, asked me how it was going. Now, this was random as hell since he was like 30 or over, mustache and all and I was just getting some windex for my windshield, but I said " hey how's it goin". He replied " pretty good", and sounded like he was surprised I actually cared about how he was doing. I guess people don't ask the staff that much, if they even talk to them. When I was leaving, I told him to take it easy (a little thing I picked up from the math teacher and a few other guys, works well when telling a guy goodbye) and he said " you too, thanks for stopping by giant ". It was funny sh!t, because I guess he thought I wasn't going to say goodbye and just spewed the first thing that came into his head.

I came home from Giant, worked out (6-pack here I come), took a shower and then went to work. Normal affair, and I'll talk more about the passerby's later. The main thing is, that around 8:15 I was bored as fvck. I have to stand in that calendar kiosk from 6-9:30. It's not hard, and the kiosk isn't small ( 4 main parts, sort of like a cross, I'm not trapped in a booth or anything. Plenty of walking space to go in and out from 4 diff. directions) but it's boring as sh!t. Anyway, I'm so bored that I've been smiling at random girls just for the hell of it. This one chick I smile at, (looks half-asian, half black or spanish, HB 7) slightly smiles and keeps on walking. I forget about her until a second later I hear an " excuse me" and I turn around and there she is. She asks if there are any simpsons calendars, and I show her. At this point, I'm thinking she's just going to look and leave, like 99% of the other people in the mall. No no, she asks the price and then decides to buy it. As I'm ringing it up, I'm thinking about asking her out. Then she says

" I decided to come over and buy something since you looked so bored "

-=DING DING DING=-

I laugh and say thanks, and then when I'm handing her the bag, I say:

" I know this sounds kind of odd, but would you like to go out sometime? "

Now before you choke me, I know it sounds AFC-ish. But from 80% of the girls I approach, I get this " oh he must be a player" type vibe, so I wanted to try the " I know this sounds kind of odd, but" to maybe knock down their b!tch shields and think I'm a newbie to the game. Well, it doesn't work so well. She laughs and says that she is probably too old for me, and then looks at me with a little look (hope, I guess). Less than half a second passes by before I ask her how old she is. She laughs and tells me 25, and then I tell her I'm 19. She sort of waves me off while giggling ( I must have given her an ego boost)and slowly starts to walk away while still looking at me- and it seems like if I
had made some witty comment I might have gotten the number. But I didn't, and she said have a nice day or some other bs. Here's a breakdown of what I did wrong (IMO)-

-Stupid line " I know this sounds kind of odd"- It makes me sound insecure

-Didn't introduce my name (even though I have a nametag) and didn't ask for hers

-No kino

-No rapport

Rapport is a huge thing I need to work on these days. I know I've been going for rejections for a long time, but all this while I haven't been working on rapport enough. I can't let those skills slack, I'll get a lot more numbers if I get them to their " buying temperature" (forgot who coined that phrase) before I ask for the digits.

EDIT: There was a customer like 3 feet behind me when I asked her out, but was gone after the whole ordeal. I don't really pay attention to one or two people anymore, ever since...whenever, I guess.

7 down, 3 to go.

 

[Seraph]

Kinda getting down.

I know my whole goal is to get 10 rejections and all, and myabe I've been acting stupid by just going for rejections alone, but I've been feeling kinda down for the past two days. I've basically gotten over this whole " fear of rejection" thing, and I've asked girls out but haven't gotten many positive results. Sure, I rushed into asking the number and didn't build up kino/rapport, but I still want...dates. Had to catch myself there, I almost typed girlfriend. Although I want one...soon. That's the thing, I don't want to be dating 10 different girls, and from the way my crappy art school/job situation is, no way in hell will I be able to keep up 10 fresh numbers every week, or even every 2 weeks. Not that I'd want to. It's just not me. I'm fine with dating 2 or 3 girls at the most.

I wasn't crushed by the 7th rejection. It didn't bust me into tears, or rip my confidence, all it really did..well, all I mainly said to myself afterwards was " damn, she had some nice breasts ". Like, I'm to a point where I don't feel like getting rejected is a horrible thing, I just want results. I know the game, I know what I have to do and say, and although I am still working at it, I want pvssy. Like...now. Arrgh, it's just kind of frustrating I guess, to not have at least 1 girl to date right now. No, you know what the real frustrating thing is? To have so many girls think you're a player or something and turn their b!tch shields up to 100% when you try to approach them. Eh, I'll just work on my flirting skills alot with the cute art girls I have classes with.

 

[duke007]

Hey Seraph, I can really identify with your situation at the moment. I've just had my seventh rejection also and I'm getting a bit antsy for some positive results.

I've found that I've had big crests and low troughs....some moments I wonder if bootcamp is worth it and then some good luck comes along and boosts me up again.

Just keep on riding the wave and you'll be fine.

 

[Seraph]

As long as I see people like you, apod and EO still going at it, I wil do my best. I really appreciate your posts, and I know I don't say it enough. Your feedback is helpful, no matter how little or how insignificant you might think it is.

Today I didn't even get any chances for a rejection, which was kind of odd. I worked on being more outgoing though. This morning I missed a few oppurtunities to start a convo, or even say hi but I'm just guessing it was the time of day. I say this because I was doing well by 10' o clock. In intro to Video Production class we had top set up the room for the cameras while the teacher and a select few went to get the cameras/tripods. I somehow sort of got everything in order. We had to clear the main wall of chairs and other junk, so I just started doing that like everyone else. Everyone was pretty quiet, and most stopped after taking their chairs to another side of the room. Me and maybe 2 others didn't, although they clearly waited on what i was going to do/ what I was going to move. At one point, of the guys even asked me where he should put the chairs, and what type of formation (we had to have 4 seperate chairs for the camera in certain places). I just went with it and made clear what we had to get done.

Earlier in class, a few minutes before it started, most people were in but still quiet as hell. I know it was early, but the silence was just weird with so many sitting so close, so I started a convo with one of the guys I met on the first day. After the teacher came back, we got put into groups and I made sure to get everyone's names and when I asked for the other black guy's name, I did the normal handshake with him. Funny thing is, the girl named Cheryl (who I also talked to on the first day, might have mentioned it in here before) asked for my name with her hand extended and then told me hers after I said " Seraph ". I was surprised, because that was the first time a girl had tried to initiate kino/handshake with me. She's a 4.5, so there is no way I'd bang her but even still, practice is practice. The last person in my group, I've known since like 5th grade, so it was easy to chat with her.

Once class was over I headed to the elevators, and while waiting for them, a third guy I talked to (Sean) on the first day was chilling, waiting for them as well. I talked with him about random stuff, and saw a guy that I've been in a couple of classes with look at us while we had a convo. Not a mean look or anything, just the normal " oh, they're talking over there ". I mean, there was nothing else going on. I was thinking about some way to bring him in to the convo, but the other people from class came. I talked to the two girls from my group and when the elevator came, we all hopped on. This newbie freshman asked where a building nearby was after about two stops and Sean/guy that watched us told him. I then sparked a short convo with him, about how it feels being new here and to save his money while he still can. It was a lame attempt at C+F, but oh well. Gotta get used to doing it with strangers eventually. The guy looked at me again, and I sort of know why. You see, I wasn't outgoing at all in the other classes I had with him, so it must have been odd as hell to see me talking to these random people like that.

Let's see...after class I had to go to the post office, to pick up some stuff and while I was there, I nodded and said " whats up " to a random black guy. I did this twice yesterday, and all 3 times I've gotten " what's up man" replies. Nothing enthusiastic, but normal greetings. I'm not scared of talking to black guys or anything, but I want to get to a point where I can act like I'm friends with almost any black guy I see. Why not, right? I might get some negative reactions some time, or not get a hi in reply, but I noticed that when alone, most black guys have no problem giving me a nod in return. Maybe it's different in groups.

I definately have to try some of that pyschological stuff that I read about in duke's BC journal. I've dabbled with it before, but I want to work with it more, get some varied results. No work until Thursday, but if anything happens tomorrow I'll post here and give you guys a heads up.

EDIT: I really, realy need to work with connecting with people more. Like, tying in some instance or something I heard/know about with whatever the person is talking about. For instance, if someone says they drive a red cavalier, I could say my friend also drives a red caviler. Simple stuff I know, but I am lacking in that area.

Oh, also suggesting stuff is starting to work better. I'm learning to word my suggestions better, for instance- the friend that acts all AFC and clingy with the gf that I've talked about before. I suggested he not say certain things, because they make him seem insecure and I used the words " I'm only saying this because you might not know how you sound when you say things like that " yadda yadda. What do you know, it actually sunk through to him! Well, I can't be 100% positive, but he at least seemed like he would think about it. I also did this in private, which is usually best it seems.

 

[apodyopsis]

like always, keep it up. sounds like ur havin a little trouble with # closing, so you gotta use that to your advantage. everytime you dont get a number, tell us what the hell happened! what you did, what you were thining, what was said, how you presented yourself.. BC is for improvement, not to get a girlfriend.

presence is one thing that u might need to work on. if you come off as a player, up come the b!tch shields. you wanna give off confidence, but dont over-do it. too much ****y, too much confidence, its red alert for her. just focus on what your doing, n work on improving from there. practice talking in front of a mirror. what do you look like when you strike up a convo? little things like this are important, u wanna come off as warm, friendly and confident.

my advice for the next couple days, really analyze what happens, what your thinking when you strike up a convo and # close. when you get rejected, thats when you look at what happened. work on your presence and how you carry yourself. what do you look like, what do you sound like, what are you wearing. i wouldnt suggest # closing at work, when ur workin u dont really have time to get the appropriate steps done. the best opportunities happen during your day when your out doing whatever you need to get done. if you go out with ur friends, dont just devote that time to them, keep up the effort. some1 cute to talk to? go do it! when your around ur friends, ur in ur comfort zone and dont wanna step out of it.

another thing, u say u have class with some cuties. well, why dont u try gettin some numbers from them? ur already passed the initial convo, if u know them a LITTLE go for the number! if you dont talkt o them that much, your not in the friends zone right now, so i would say its fair game. you never know who u might have fun with, and by using that as practice u can work on establishing rapport and coming off as more friendly then player.

AND, you shoudlnt just be going for rejections just for the hell of it. its a quota, but ur not AIMING for them, the point of that is just you go for girls you can establish rapport with and get a couple min convo, make her laugh, then close. once in a while stabs in the dark are alright, but that cant be ur main effort.

remember, this is the ONLY way to get better at the game, so keep it up

 

[Seraph]

Thanks for the advice.

I won't comment about the conversating with fellow students/strangers anymore, because it's happening so much that it's slowly becoming normal occurence. I didn't see the Angela girl in class this week so she might have been sick or switched classes. It's not so much that I have cute girls in my classes, but in my school every now and then. In highschool, a good number of hot b!tches. Here at art school, what used to be 5's are now 6.5. What used to be a 7 are now 8.5 or so. It's sad but true- at school my standards are going lower because there aren't that many hot chicks that go there.

The thing I want to talk about, and what I need help with, is chicks via work. I know you said to not try and number close during work, but it's the only other viable place. It feels cheesy nowadays to go out with the sole purpose of getting a phone number, I want to have the confidence to get one if a situation pops up, not go out with the sole intent of setting up that type of situation.

Anyway, I stand at a calendar kiosk in the mall. It's between a victoria's secret store, and a redskins store. I get plenty of looks from HB's to UG's, but the thing is, most don't come check out the calendars, or get close enough for me to talk to them. I smile at most and if they are bold enough, they come look at a calendar (like the girl I told you about before). The thing that annoys me, is that the UG's will come 90% of the time while the HB's will find a reason to pass by my spot 2 or 3 times (one girl tonight passed by 4 times). When they pass, they'll only make eye contact for a second but I know they are interested. They'll put their heads down and shove out their chests, or fix their clothes or do the " lets look just to the side of his head and not smile back ". The ones that don't maintain or even make eye contact with me are the ones that pass by me the most. It's so frustrating to not know how to bring them over to the kiosk so I can talk to them. I can't leave the place, and I don't know how else to invite them over except by smiling.

I want to come off as approachable, but most seem intimidated. My posture, how I sound, what I'm wearing..I'll have to focus on these things tomorrow. I can't be a good judge of how I acted tonight, because it was the exact same way I always act, and I always seem to intimidate most people. When I do cold approaches, the girls I want to fvck sometimes think I'm too young for them, and the girls that want to fvck me are usually too young themselves. I can only think of changing this by adding more weight and bulking up, but your feedback is sorely needed, now more than ever. I need advice on-

-How to get the girls that are obviously interested in me to come close enough so I can chat them up

-How to seem more easygoing and warm when chatting the girls up

-How to appear older than I currently do

-Anything else you all think I need help on

Having your high's and lows is no joke in BC. I swear, they're so close and yet so far from my grasp. I see smiles or shy girls repeatedly passing me by and l feel good, but that goes away when it's all that happens. Changes need to occur before I can make any more progress. I just don't know what those changes are.

 

[Seraph]

Pics of me, finally.

Went downstairs and got my mom's digital camera. Thought it was about time I put my pics up here.

Note: Don't rag on the shirt, it's from my AFC days, and it's 1 am. I'm about to go to sleep, so don't think I wear it out to go clubbing or w/e

View of me from below
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http://img101.exs.cx/img101/7351/lookup.jpg

Some more views
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http://img101.exs.cx/img101/4527/yep.jpg


Front View
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Comments, wisecracks? I've heard the pretty boy comment tons of times before, so you're going to have to be a bit more creative than that

 

[david90]

to be more approachable I think u should always put a grin on your face. U have one of those face that look like ur mad even though ur not. I'm sure ur a very friendly guy but people tend to judge with their eyes.

 

[FreeStyleZ]

hmmm, just out of curiousity how old are you and what race? I havent read all of the journal so if you already mentioned it I probably missed it.

**Edit**

Never mind, I went back and read through some more of the journal and found the answer to that.

 

[FreeStyleZ]

Hey man, great progress you've been making... i just read most of the journal but stopped to make this post. What ever happened to trina? The approach you described with her where she agreed to go out with you seemed like it had potential. Did you ever call her? What happened?

Also, you mentioned on one of the pages about it being easier to get girls of your same race. This is something ive noticed too but havent had enough actual field testing to validate that its true. Ive found that black girls seem to be more attracted to me and aggressive. I had this one girl last year that liked me apparently but was too shy to talk to me.. so two of her friends came and got me, convinced me to go back to the girls room to "talk" to her. They told me to "bring flowers" and were hinting at all this stuff about how she likes me but doesnt know how to talk to me. Just one example. So have you also noticed with black girls you are more successful, as in, they seem more interested and open to you? You didnt really go into detail on that so i was wondering if thats still the case.

 

[blue17]

Seraph, good to put a face to a name! Alright....I can't usually offer much advice to someone farther along then me, but you mentioned that you want to be more easy going.

This is one area I can help you in. First off....SMILE. Why no smiles in those pictures? I used to not smile in pictures, and I looked 'so-so'. I didn't look overly friendly or anything. So I started smiling in pictures, and I was amazed how much better people look with a nice grin and teeth showing. I know you are smiling when you are making eye contact, but maybe you aren't smiling enough during the conversation with girls? It's a possibility.

Also, one thing that I know I do is laugh a lot. During a convo with a girl...I am usually laughing often....smiling...you know that kinda thing. I'm not doing it as an act, I genuinly like laughing w/ a lot of different things. Laughing in a friendly way puts people at ease, and generates the feeling of 'easygoingness' .

 

[Seraph]

Wow, so many replies so soon. Thanks all.

Nope, I didn't call Trina. It's weird, I usually don't ask out black girls because they are no challenge. My last girlfriend was black, and she got clingy really fast- maybe because of where I've grown up and from my schools in the past (mostly white) they just don't seem as atttractive, I guess. I mean, Ashley (last gf) was a good 7.5 or 8, and yet she bored the hell out of me. I only dated her for a month and I broke it off because she was getting clingy and I wasn't feeling her personality wise at all. I could have fvcked her just for her body, but then I would have turned out like all those *******s I hated back when I was an AFC. So I dumped her. It's better that she hates me for some stupid reason like that, instead of me fvcking her, then dumping her later on down the road. I seem to go into phases, like sometimes I'll want some asian girls, sometimes spanish girls, sometimes I'll want some white girls. Sometimes I'll want those girls that look middle eastern, but pale-skinned. Recently I'm in a spanish rut, where most spanish girls make me go There are a few black girls that look hot to me, but again, no challgenge/attraction as there. If anyone can give me a heads up as to why, it would be helpful.

And I'll try to smile more when I get to school today. Only one class (the math class) so I'll be able to use my smile more there. Funny thing is, I don't usually use a smile with teeth unless I'm practically laughing. I usually bust out that half-grin I have in one of my pictures.

 

[Vandnumbers]

Seraph, where do you live/go to school? I'm 23 and live in U Steet/Cardoza. I'm new to the board but if you want a non-AFC to go out with message me.

About the age thing, it's really an attitude. Ditch t-shirts and wear more young professional looking stuff. I just moved in with two 28 year old women and they were shocked to learn I was only 23 because its all about confidence/attitude and being clever. In my AFC days everyone thought I looked young.

Try not being so wide-eyed naive look (I have that problem) . Sometimes I just furrow the brow and squint more.

 

[Seraph]

Really good class today. I was a few mins late, but I quickly got into the swing of things. We had to split into groups for some work, so he stuck the left side of the class as one group, the right side as another, and me with the middle as the last group. We had to think up a team name and some other wacky things involving algebra stuff, so I brought up the name Bojangles. It just sounded funny. One of the black guys went with it and it became our name. It was cool to fully interact with them, because soon we were all laughing and joking around, while the other two teams were doing little to no general conversation.

I did smile more, and laugh more, and it got positive reactions from the girls and guys of the group. I also tried to bring one of the main quiet girls into the group more- I asked her name (Jen) and soon enough I had her chatting with everyone. Sometimes all it takes is asking someones name to pull them into the group. Hell, even one of the girls from the other groups was looking at us having a good time- I'm starting to think that when people look over like that, they want to join in. We did some more group work that day (4 hour class) and by the end of the class we were known as Team Bojangles, had done better work than the other two teams and were more interactive and playful with eachother. The black girl in our group was teasing everyone and calling us crazy, and I joked around saying that by the end of the quarter, we'll be like family.

It's just crazy seeing so many look towards you like they did today, but I just guess I'mnot used to being with so many " new" friends at once. There were 8 in total, and 6 of us (including myself) were really the main talkers. Yes, that includes Jen, once I was able to open her up. The other 2 consisted of an asian guy who was laid back and sort of reminded me of a surfer or something (he was funny as sh!t when he talked or told stories) and the other was another shy white girl. She was seated 2 seats in front of me so I didn't try that hard to bring her into the convo. More work for next time, I guess.

The one thing I need to work on (more leadership thing than DJ'ing) is smoothing relations between different types of people. For instance, Alexa is one of those chicks that goes to anime-cons and reads harry potter books and stuff, and the asian guy is someone you'd see at a party drinking or having a good time at a car meet. The others would fit in between those 2 extremes. At certain points Alexa would get really animated/excited when she talked about how one of her professors looked like some HP character, or the j-pop bands that she listens to - You could sort of feel a awkward vibe go through the group sometimes, as the others couldn't connect with her excitement on that level. I need to learn how to bridge the gap and keep her from feeling like a loser for the stuff she likes. I'm guessing she might have at one point or so, but I kept the good moods flowing so it wasn't too apparent/didn't stick with her for too long.

I also talked with her on the way down to the subway again. She's a bit out there, and low on the face scale (braces, wacky hair) so I'm not going to go for a number, but she will be a good friend, I think. Maybe she even knows some hot chicks at my school that I don't. Jen isn't too bad (pretty face), but she had on a hoodie and from the way it looked, she might be a bit stocky. We'll see in due time. I have this good idea involving one of my friends for a short comic, so if I finish it up this weekend (I'm going to try), I'll post it up here for you guys to check out. Nothing long or serious, just some lighthearted stuff.

 

[apodyopsis]

1) How to get the girls that are obviously interested in me to come close enough so I can chat them up

2) How to seem more easygoing and warm when chatting the girls up

3) How to appear older than I currently do

-Anything else you all think I need help on




1-2) well, theres a couple things you can do, but u have to remember... GUYS are generally the ones who approach, so u shouldnt just wait around for girls to come say hi.

now, one of the main things you can do, is talk. talk to everyone, male, female, old, young, a hottie or an ugo. you said earlier that its like every1 u talk to thinks your a player, and if your ONLY going out of your way to talk to cute girls at your work to get their numbers, what kind of image do you think your projecting? now, by talking to anyone and everyone you can, that right there makes you seem warm and friendly. remember when u said when you were the one being sociable in class people made an effort to come talk to you? its a similiar principal, if your seen talking to everyone and not just the hotties and trying to get their #'s, you disarm the "player" alarm that goes off in females.

but, like i said, i wouldnt rely on your work to get #'s. maybe once in a while you'll get one, but personally i dont see it as the best place. this is just my opinion, and of course your free to do whatever you want, but when a customer goes into a store and gets hit on by a worker there, what is she going to think? that sort of gives off the player signal, which u dont want right now. if you want #'s, you have to make that extra effort. im sure uve read Waldens bootcamp, and he went to 4-5 places a day just to get numbers. you cant do that ur whole life, but for the purpose of the bootcamp it worked great. the results you will get are proportional to the ammount of effort you put in. walden put in a LOT of effort, and thats why he was so successful in his bc. you cannot stay in the comfort zone of your work or class and expect to see a lot of results. i know you said you wouldnt be as confident if you went out just for the purpose of getting #'s, but remember, the whole point of the BC is to make you uncomfortable, make you go out and do things you normally wouldnt do.

with that said, lets move on to #3.

you posted a few pics up, n being the curious bastard that i am i took the time to look. you say you want to look older, so why are you wearing a shirt with what looks like a game-controller button on it??? MEN dont wear clothes like that, so why should you? i wont flame on u too hard tho, when im at home i wear pretty much anything that doesnt smell, so if its just an at home thing i gotcha.

with looking older, you have to act and DRESS the part as well. look at your current wardrobe, and ask yourself is this something an older guy would wear? style is important, so look at what you have, toss out (or donate) what you either dont wear anymore, or think you could do wihtout, and go n get some new clothes (doesnt have to be an entire wardrobe, just a few things, thats assuming u decide u need to get them)


your behavior in your class is great, you included everyone and thats exactly the kind of behavior you need. you said something about relaitons between people n how it was more leadership then dj, but DJs ARE leaders, they dont wait for things to happen, they MAKE them happen. if you can show leadership, thats a great addition for your image, so keep it up.

remember, if u want more results, you gotta be more outgoing. dress a little different, be more sociable and friendly, go out and try to get more numbers and you'll be exactly where you want to be. if you number closed 5 times a day, after an entire week, you'd have a good ammount of numbers. even if 5 out of those 35 actually gave you a #, thats 5 numbers in one week, and if you keep that kind of effort up you'll never have a free-day unless you decide you want it.

 

[Seraph]

Tomorrow is the day of days

Wow. I've been acting foolish for the past week or so. There have been some problems at home and one of my friends has been acting like a douche so stress has been piling on. I think it started around the day I got my 7th rejection. The sad thing is that I actually let this stress get to me, and forgot about what I've done to get here in the past.

I went out on Sunday, in hopes of getting numbers or rejections. I wasn't feeling too hot, but I read Apod's post and decided that I need to stop sh!tting around, I should have been done with this awhile ago. Fvck my school girl ratio, fvck my job, fvck the metro- it's all excuses. I went to 3 stores or so, but even though there were 1 or 2 potentials, I didn't try at it. I didn't even freeze up, it was like there was no will to try. I read the post of mine where i did 20 greetings in one day, where I went and got those 3 rejections in one day, and then I skimmed over my past few posts full of crap. "What the hell?", I thought. How did I get from there to here, and how do I get that fire, that drive back in me?

A few things:

-When stress gets to me, (might be diff for other people) I start to close up, and get tense and worried over silly sh!t. Not only that, but I go back to my introvert ways.

-The more outgoing I am or become, the more my old introvert self tries to latch onto me. That's right, sunday after I failed at trying, I went home and played some video games like a pvssy, thinking I needed " to take a break". A break from what? I was going nowhere.

-Relax. No matter where you are in this bootcamp, relax. Your state of mind and how you feel affect your boot camp progress so much it's not even funny. Waldens, Apod's, my journal...everyone of us have had our off days and it's usually because we aren't feeling top notch. I know it's impossible to do all the time, but try to stay stress free and happy/relaxed as much as posible.

So that's what I did today. I actually relaxed. Didn't focus on rejections, or talking to girls, but talking to people in general. It takes some getting used to again, since I haven't been this outgoing outside of a classroom in awhile, but I'm getting there.


Oh, and what about week 4, you ask?

I'm going to get the 3 rejections tomorrow. Seriously. This week is more than done with, I'm tired of stumbling over this sh!t. Time to remember how I felt back in week 1 and 2, time to live again as the "newbie scared/still introverted but going to try his hardest" Seraph. I don't care if I have to spend 3 hours driving around and going in and out of stores, I don't care if I have to mack at the mother-fugging post office, even if I have to stroll up to a MILF with her soccer-playing little tyke in hand, I'm going to go get those god-damn rejections.

Sh!t yea ladies, I'm back.