Scientology? Can this help me get any girl I want?
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JaguarMike
Don Juan
You forgot to quote visceral, and only quoted what I said... OUT OF CONTEXT, lmao. This is pathetic. Go to page 3 to see my post, and not Flogger's attempt to tie in black magic to this by taking what I said out of context.
I think the black magic connection is real, whereas the tone scale connection is only real if you like the tone scale.
The more you defend scientology, the more you'll have to lose by backing away from it, and so the more likely you are to filter out the criticism.
I think people are just worried about you.
The more you defend scientology, the more you'll have to lose by backing away from it, and so the more likely you are to filter out the criticism.
I think people are just worried about you.
JaguarMike
Don Juan
Guys, i've said twice already, i've been using this technology for business purposes, I am not a scientologist, but I will defend what I have learned to the fullest, because I have seen it work, and I have seen it bring a lot of good things into my life. This is frustrating because this topic is so taboo that a lot of you can't get through the shell to see the awesome points it has to offer, really re-read my posts on the first few pages, I hope it gives you more insight.
If it weren't for Tom Cruise going ape-shyt on Operah I don't think we'd be having this conversation. Also, about 20% of all people hate scientology because it makes them uncomfortable. This is easy to see, understandable, but is a cop-out. I accept criticim, but not bullshyt criticism, I have my own doubts about Scientology, but when someone says it is ALL bullshyt it really pisses me off, because there are so many golden nuggets in its teachings. L. Ron studied all the religions of the world, and pulled together the best points of every religion. I have heard Jews say it makes them a better jew, a Catholic say it makes him a better catholic, and a muslim say it makes him a better muslim... how about that. I was raised a Catholic, but if I had a bunch of people telling me it was bullshyt, and websites showing me how it was some global conspiracy, then I maybe would have reconcidered worshiping a dead guy on a tree. It is the same thing here. Popular opinion in America is that Scientology is bogus. Most, if not all, of this comes from our media, confusions with entry-level Scientology programs, and convincing arguments from websites. I have been harsh with my retorts, and I honestly don't know if I went overboard, or seemed brainwashed, etc. etc. All I know is that this stuff works, and the more you learn, the more it makes sense.
I am sick of hearing "they believe in aliens on xenu??", "well I don't like scientology because if I was sick I would want to get medicine.", "Scientology is so fake, it is all bullshyt, everyone knows that.", and my personal favorite, "ITS A CULT!!!"
Do they believe in Aliens on Xenu? I don't know, that mystisicm information does not come in until FARRrrrrrr later in the programs.
Do they not go to doctors? No, that is a branch of Christianity called Christian Science. L. Ron Hubbard says to go to Doctors and try to sway away from medicines as much as possible, but if you have to take it for your health as a last resort, do it. Medicines hurt us, but also help us. Fine balance, anyone with experience being sick and on medication knows how it is a trade-off. Need proof? Watch the evening news, and see the commercials about different designer medications, all saying the side-effects, "blablabla isn't for everyone, side-effects include nausia, diahrea, sexual side-effects, and intestinal bleeding." You get the drift.
Onto, the "It's all bullshyt, no one likes it, they're all crazy." Jeeeeeez, I don't know how some people measure success, but scientologists are the happiest, coolest, and richest people I have met. And trust me, rich jaguar michael has met a lot of people in his life from homeless people to the owner of the biggest pharmacutical company in europe. Scientologists were the biggest ballers by farrrrrrr. Why? They are rich, happy, and help people but can also play the games lower people play. Case in point, Tom Cruise knows how to act like Vincent in Collateral... he pulled that role off, he actually seemed like a killer. Travolta? Try face/off, or swordfish, or practically any other movie. Scientology gives you tools to play any game you want, and pull it off perfectly. That is why I am so suprised when 20% moan and complain, when it would make them more powerful beyond their wildest dreams.
And finally, "it's a cult!!!" Jeeez, you know, it doesn't matter to me if it is a cult. You know why? Because when i'm riding down the street in a Ferrari by the time im 28 instead of my s-type I push now, with my hb10 in the passenger seat, on the way to my club, i'll be laughing, saying "BLESS CULTS!!" Guys, it doesn't matter, it will make you happy, rich, and successful. It isn't a cult, but if it were, I wouldn't care, because i'd be complete.
I understand why people don't like the mall-stand type scientologists... they seem fake to me, and most likely are. They aren't alphas in the group, and have to act like they're happy, which is why they're handing out fliers at the mall (this is to Duke). The upper people are the smoothest most confident ballers you will ever meet.
Final point, don't be put off by the fake happiness. Jeez...
If it weren't for Tom Cruise going ape-shyt on Operah I don't think we'd be having this conversation. Also, about 20% of all people hate scientology because it makes them uncomfortable. This is easy to see, understandable, but is a cop-out. I accept criticim, but not bullshyt criticism, I have my own doubts about Scientology, but when someone says it is ALL bullshyt it really pisses me off, because there are so many golden nuggets in its teachings. L. Ron studied all the religions of the world, and pulled together the best points of every religion. I have heard Jews say it makes them a better jew, a Catholic say it makes him a better catholic, and a muslim say it makes him a better muslim... how about that. I was raised a Catholic, but if I had a bunch of people telling me it was bullshyt, and websites showing me how it was some global conspiracy, then I maybe would have reconcidered worshiping a dead guy on a tree. It is the same thing here. Popular opinion in America is that Scientology is bogus. Most, if not all, of this comes from our media, confusions with entry-level Scientology programs, and convincing arguments from websites. I have been harsh with my retorts, and I honestly don't know if I went overboard, or seemed brainwashed, etc. etc. All I know is that this stuff works, and the more you learn, the more it makes sense.
I am sick of hearing "they believe in aliens on xenu??", "well I don't like scientology because if I was sick I would want to get medicine.", "Scientology is so fake, it is all bullshyt, everyone knows that.", and my personal favorite, "ITS A CULT!!!"
Do they believe in Aliens on Xenu? I don't know, that mystisicm information does not come in until FARRrrrrrr later in the programs.
Do they not go to doctors? No, that is a branch of Christianity called Christian Science. L. Ron Hubbard says to go to Doctors and try to sway away from medicines as much as possible, but if you have to take it for your health as a last resort, do it. Medicines hurt us, but also help us. Fine balance, anyone with experience being sick and on medication knows how it is a trade-off. Need proof? Watch the evening news, and see the commercials about different designer medications, all saying the side-effects, "blablabla isn't for everyone, side-effects include nausia, diahrea, sexual side-effects, and intestinal bleeding." You get the drift.
Onto, the "It's all bullshyt, no one likes it, they're all crazy." Jeeeeeez, I don't know how some people measure success, but scientologists are the happiest, coolest, and richest people I have met. And trust me, rich jaguar michael has met a lot of people in his life from homeless people to the owner of the biggest pharmacutical company in europe. Scientologists were the biggest ballers by farrrrrrr. Why? They are rich, happy, and help people but can also play the games lower people play. Case in point, Tom Cruise knows how to act like Vincent in Collateral... he pulled that role off, he actually seemed like a killer. Travolta? Try face/off, or swordfish, or practically any other movie. Scientology gives you tools to play any game you want, and pull it off perfectly. That is why I am so suprised when 20% moan and complain, when it would make them more powerful beyond their wildest dreams.
And finally, "it's a cult!!!" Jeeez, you know, it doesn't matter to me if it is a cult. You know why? Because when i'm riding down the street in a Ferrari by the time im 28 instead of my s-type I push now, with my hb10 in the passenger seat, on the way to my club, i'll be laughing, saying "BLESS CULTS!!" Guys, it doesn't matter, it will make you happy, rich, and successful. It isn't a cult, but if it were, I wouldn't care, because i'd be complete.
I understand why people don't like the mall-stand type scientologists... they seem fake to me, and most likely are. They aren't alphas in the group, and have to act like they're happy, which is why they're handing out fliers at the mall (this is to Duke). The upper people are the smoothest most confident ballers you will ever meet.
Final point, don't be put off by the fake happiness. Jeez...
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pimpfromdayone
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Haha, Tom Cruise is a dumbass.... I'd like to see him talk shi-t about medicine if he's ever in the emergency room. As to you JaguarMike, I thought I had already taken care of this problem.... the only person in this post who talks like a child, is you. One of these days you will look back at yourself and think "what an idiot I was" for trying to defend a fu-cking CULT on the internet, to people you don't even know. You sound so brainwashed right now posts like this never get through to you. You have no proof that scientology is what infact caused your business success. Scientology doesn't exist without those that believe in it, like every other religion or cult, so it didn't help you, you somehow managed to help yourself. Scientology is just another load of selfish cult shi-t. It teaches you that you are your own god, and even though it doesn't directly say it, it tells you that you shouldn't give a FU-CK about anyone but yourself. You call that a religion? Ok, believe what you want. You remind me of teenagers I used to know who thought they were their own gods. DON'T back out of this one now. You posted scientology and you REFUSE to quit defending it, so you must believe in every piece of shi-t idea THEY believe in... no picking and choosing, you believe in telepathy, thetans, you don't believe in medicine, pyschology, or pyschiatry. From now on you must carry these beliefs or your posts about scientology are completely discredited and worthless, to both yourself, and us. You have broken one big rule of being a don juan already: caring what others think, especially caring about what they think of your beliefs.
JaguarMike
Don Juan
Correction... I don't care what you think, I don't know you, I will never meet you. This is to help people that want to be helped. :rock:
JaguarMike, it is no coincedence that some of the most successful people endorse scientology. L. Ron knew that getting some star power would make more people want to join. Scientology has special "celebrity" centers in hollywood and elsewhere around the world.
If you're looking for actual self-help benefit, then listen to some Tony Robbins and save yourself the manipulation and fraud associated with Scientology.
And yes, I noticed that all the scientology lackeys had an air of fake happiness about them.
I'm pretty sure the "20%" as you like to call us, are much bigger than 20% if you're talking about the U.S.A. The so-called 20% is not so antagonistic toward scientology because it makes us "uncomfortable," it is because of ALL the reasons I listed in my previous posts on this thread that you bissfully ignored...
I knew that when my results were being read to me that I was being manipulated. I knew that I was not depressed or anything that they accused me of being, and I got EXTREMELY suspicious when they tried to sell me a course during the fvcking reading! That's the oldest sales tactic in the book! Try to make someone feel insecure, and then create a need in that person, and THEN conviently offer something to that person to fill his need.... for a PRICE of course.
Vaguely suspicious, I googled, and the site I linked came up, confirming my suspicions and offering up a laundry-list of evidence against Scientology and the OCA.
Tons of gullible people are being ROBBED by Scientology. If you look for them, you will find dozens of testimonals against scientology by ex-church members who were left in financial and emotional ruins by scientology.
The religion (company?) has no ethics. They simply see you as a walking dollar.
Have you ever read through their products designed to enhance learning? It gives some of the dumbest, slap-on-the-forehead advice and is illustrated with 1950's style leave-it-to-****** drawings.
The atmosphere while I was there was very cult-ish. In the waiting room, some nerd was sitting there by himself, and he was like "Hi, are you new here?"
And then one of the female employees went over and started talking to him like he was an old friend, and I bet he was. Thankfully I don't need to resort to rent-a-friends.
Society didn't make Scientology taboo. Scientology made Scientology taboo. The whole organization is a satire of itself.
If you're looking for actual self-help benefit, then listen to some Tony Robbins and save yourself the manipulation and fraud associated with Scientology.
And yes, I noticed that all the scientology lackeys had an air of fake happiness about them.
I'm pretty sure the "20%" as you like to call us, are much bigger than 20% if you're talking about the U.S.A. The so-called 20% is not so antagonistic toward scientology because it makes us "uncomfortable," it is because of ALL the reasons I listed in my previous posts on this thread that you bissfully ignored...
I knew that when my results were being read to me that I was being manipulated. I knew that I was not depressed or anything that they accused me of being, and I got EXTREMELY suspicious when they tried to sell me a course during the fvcking reading! That's the oldest sales tactic in the book! Try to make someone feel insecure, and then create a need in that person, and THEN conviently offer something to that person to fill his need.... for a PRICE of course.
Vaguely suspicious, I googled, and the site I linked came up, confirming my suspicions and offering up a laundry-list of evidence against Scientology and the OCA.
Tons of gullible people are being ROBBED by Scientology. If you look for them, you will find dozens of testimonals against scientology by ex-church members who were left in financial and emotional ruins by scientology.
The religion (company?) has no ethics. They simply see you as a walking dollar.
Have you ever read through their products designed to enhance learning? It gives some of the dumbest, slap-on-the-forehead advice and is illustrated with 1950's style leave-it-to-****** drawings.
The atmosphere while I was there was very cult-ish. In the waiting room, some nerd was sitting there by himself, and he was like "Hi, are you new here?"
And then one of the female employees went over and started talking to him like he was an old friend, and I bet he was. Thankfully I don't need to resort to rent-a-friends.
Society didn't make Scientology taboo. Scientology made Scientology taboo. The whole organization is a satire of itself.
JaguarMike
Don Juan
IMO, that was by far the best post made on this board in terms of making the point, and I respect that. I still stand on this point, there is stuff to learn from it.
Well thanks, I appreciate that. I also haven't totally written you off because I do think you desire to help people as pompous as you come off sometimes. That, and you endorsed reading Pook and Senor Fingers, the latter of whom helped me bridge the gap between nerd and playboy with his epic Weapons of Mass Seduction.
So, on topic... this tone scale seems blatantly obvious to me. Is it really necessary to set out a classification system of what a good or bad person is? Will it really help you in life? How?
Either you're happy, or not. Either you like someone, or not. Saying that 2 people who like each other have the same "tone" doesn't really say anything. It just means that they share similar beliefs, ideals, hobbies, etc.
If, X politician is on a higher tone scale than Britney Spears, so what? That doesn't determine the happiness of said individuals. So what's the use of it?
Oh and also:
Thanks for the debate.
So, on topic... this tone scale seems blatantly obvious to me. Is it really necessary to set out a classification system of what a good or bad person is? Will it really help you in life? How?
Either you're happy, or not. Either you like someone, or not. Saying that 2 people who like each other have the same "tone" doesn't really say anything. It just means that they share similar beliefs, ideals, hobbies, etc.
If, X politician is on a higher tone scale than Britney Spears, so what? That doesn't determine the happiness of said individuals. So what's the use of it?
Oh and also:
Thanks for the debate.
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JaguarMike
Don Juan
lol
How do you figure that?
Like David Koresh and the Branch Davidians? or how about Jim Jones and thh People's Temple? or Do and the Heaven's Gate group? or the Solar Temple?
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All one has to do is check out all those cult watch groups that are out there and former scientoligist's sites. Scientology is brought up over and over again on many cult watch groups.
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The NLP community do therapy (and what not) without the needing it to be label a religion or for tax exemption purposes.
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(And no not all cults are religious groups.)
see http://www.rickross.com/
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oakraiderz2
Master Don Juan
Go to Clearwater Fl and check out their "headquarters". You gotta be an idiot to believe any of that sh*t. When i was in Clearwater you would see a bunch of deusches dressed like business people walking around downtown. How can you say its not a cult when you gotta pay and youre waiting for some supernatural thing to give you a sign on when your spaceship is taking off?
