Scientology? Can this help me get any girl I want?

[Freddy1]

JaguarMike
It's not that I didn't get what you wrote either.

Theres alot of these psychological programs and what not out there. Everything from T.M., to Silva Mind Control, to NLP, to "Revolutionary Psychology" by Sameal Aun Weor, Freud, etc.
Have you read some of the posts regarding Ross Jeffries? Alot of guys have bad things to say about his system and some unexpected reprocussions they had.
I now take all of them with a large grain of salt.


One should take into consideration how some of these methods has messed up people into consideration.
Now putting up people into different catagories is not new. Even Anton LaVey of the Church of Satan wrote about it in one of his books from availiable sources of literature out there.

 

[Freddy1]

As for Parsons and Hubbard I have read their past connection from other sources as well. Parsons got his butt blown in a rocket experiment that went wrong. Dianetics is one thing. The CHURCH of Scientology is another thing. They have some pretty unusual beliefs as well.
It reminds me of the occult metaphysical stuff by George Gurdjieff.

 

[JaguarMike]

This is leading away from getting chicks, but do any of you notice from studying these mind control/unusual knowledge programs that you can almost read what people are thinking afterwards? Maybe i'm getting off on a tangent, but for the past 6 months i've felt what people think and feel, and it is good and bad. Good part is I can know what the deal is, bad part is I feel the horrible feelings or angst that others feel. I also feel this big time with girls, I can spot them and watch them and tell what her problems are, what she wants, etc. It's almost entertaining and i'm right most of the time when I persue my thoughts. Can anyone relate to this? What is going on here.
*I am picking up on so many vibes it is almost unbearable.
*I seem to give off vibes that throw people off, I get called behind my back "****y" a lot. What gives?

 

[Phoenix_of_the_ashes]

So how do I identify the different types of tone?

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Please stop with the cult crap. Next thing you know we'll all be against medicine or some crazy shi-t. I know what you're trying to do, but don't relate it to scientology if you can help it.... simply say: match your tone with hers, or something like that. A car salesman is an expert at this, he can sell to any customer, grumpy, sad, happy, you name it. And Jaguar, it's called knowing what you are doing haha. If you are good with women you know simply know what they want and how they react, you don't read minds, at least as far as I know that is impossible, but then again, strange things are possible.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Might I just add that "scientology" is not really completely based on science anymore. Scientologists now admit, that just like any religion, it is based primarily in faith. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[Duke]

A scientology stooge was in the mall one day doing some fake stress test. My friend took it and then proceeded to invite me along to visit the scientology clinic.

I get there and watch this gay propaganda video based on Hubbard's teachings.

Then my friend and I take a "personality test."

Immediately after we take the test, we are shown our results on a page that some machine (that we never saw) printed out. The results are in the form of a line graph and rate us on things like happiness and introvert vs. extrovert along with about 8 other categories.

All this information was somehow gleaned from answering oblivious and outdated questions... one of the questions asks something like "Would you use a map for a train station" or something.

This "personality test" was made in the 1950s and is called the "Oxford Capacity Analysis" test. Upon researching this test, I found that it has no association to Oxford, nor Oxford University.

Nevertheless, a someone took my results and proceeded to tell me all about myself. She used leading questions (a tactic of salespeople) to elicit certain responses from me. "You find that you're not sure of yourself all the time?" and such... general things that most people would agree to, because they are so common, but her demeanor was such that she was trying to make me feel inadequate.

According to her, I had low self-esteem, I was on the verge of suicide, I was unpopular, etc etc.

Immediately after leaving the "debriefing room" they tried to sell me books.

Again, upon researching the Oxford Capacity Analysis test, I found that the test is not taken seriously in ANY scientific circles and never was. It is NOT scientific. Google and you will find an actual accredited scientist who took the test and filled in RANDOM ANSWERS and got similar results to mine... that he was depressed and needed help etc etc.

Unsurprisingly my friend revealed similar results to mine.

In my opinion scientology is the lowest form of filth on the earth... they exploit the insecure, desparate, elderly etc. for profit.

They try to make you feel inadequate and then conviently offer up a cure for a nonexistant problem, which conviently costs a sh!tload of money. All the while they try to market themselves as knowing what they fvck they're talking about when they have NO scientific credentials.

Do you know what scientology employees ARE trained in, though?

SALES. And Hubbard wrote a fvcking script for them to read when they give you your "test results" designed specifically to elicit insecurity, which as we all know makes for a much easier sell.

Elderly people, and people just like you and me have been CONNED. The people who have spoken out against them have been hunted down maliciously and ruined financially by the higher-ups of the scientology mafia.

It's ALL BULLSH!T, and I refuse to take anything remotely associated with them seriously. Sorry.

 

[Chuavechito]

I for one would be very much interested in any more scientology philosophy, as long as it is relevant and applicable to DJ philosophy, as I believe this tone-matching jazz to be. Good posting.

The rest of you, please stop whining about scientology... Everybody knows its rubbish... Jagmike said himself: corn in s**t.
You can learn some amazing things from the most unusual places...
Open mind + critical thinking (dont know what that is? search it)=wisdom.

L. Ron and all that, f***ing interesting subject, as are Crowley etc, but really nothing to do with the theme of this topic, which is quite obviously, and exclusively, about new techniques with which to "DJ".

Perhaps someone should create another thread for the discussion of how f**ked/great scientology/Hubbard/Crowley/whoever/whatever is/are.
(Not sarcasm... Seriously... Like I said, f***ing interesting).

 

[JaguarMike]

About 20% of you will hate this information, I knew that ahead of time, and the funny thing is about 20% of these posts are really negative, lol.

*I don't care if you felt patted on the head after taking the o.c.a., you're complaining about it. The test didn't get to you, the woman telling you how to change didn't get to you either, it was your past bs getting reactivated by these 2 things. You can go to psychology and be a victim and get their "love and support" but it's fake. Scientology is very raw and a lot of people can't take the truth on things. My dad has used the business technology, fired people who did badly on the o.c.a, and their excuses and responses were almost identicle to the guy who posted about feeling inadiquete. He has also doubled his practice, now making a million plus a year, with a steep curve upwards on the success charts. This is a game guys, and he is winning.

*Approach topics like this as something to pull good out of. If you don't like it at first, try and find something that works for you.

*This stuff is used by salesman, and the technology, some people get it inately, some don't. By reading these posts it seems a lot of you guys think it's bad to make money or to be great at salesmanship, PATHETIC. Guys, life is money, money is life. Get that in your heads. Money is survival, money is success, money is a lot. Character is more important than money. Health is more important than money. But without character and health, your money is worthless. And, the more character and health you have (usually the higher toned you are as a result), you will make more money.

*Don't feel squashed down even more in life by the truth. These people want to see you succeed (scientologists, scientologist based business groups), and they want you to suceed so that they can make money also. There is no crime in this, that's how business works, and that's life. The best banks are in nice areas with money and nice people. Ever hear the rap lyrics "ain't no banks in the ghetto." There's a reason.

*Guys, don't be insecure, moan and groan, and talk behind people's backs, that is total afc-upset BALONEY. Good women hate these types of men. These men are weak, and worthless in society. In caveman days, law of the jungle times, you'd be dead. I'd probably kill you, and bang your girlfriend.

*I'll post more scientology information later, I wanna hear the flames, comments, additions, and suggestions.

"The world is your urinal, and you just drank a gallon of water."-J.M.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Wow, man, I can tell you are deep in this scientology sh-it- you sound like you're brainwashed as fu-ck. Why don't you just admit that you are now a scientologist? Allow me to offer my explanations based on what you said:

"The test didn't get to you, the woman telling you how to change didn't get to you either, it was your past bs getting reactivated by these 2 things."

That sounds a helluva lot like the reincarnation stuff, which most don't believe, but I have an open mind.

"Scientology is very raw and a lot of people can't take the truth on things."

Is it now? Sounds like a regular scientologist trying to defend his religion.

"By reading these posts it seems a lot of you guys think it's bad to make money or to be great at salesmanship, PATHETIC. Guys, life is money, money is life. Get that in your heads. Money is survival, money is success, money is a lot."

No, THAT is pathetic. You talk like a brainwashed moron ready to self-destruct. There is absolutely nothing wrong with business and making money, but "life is not money". Furthermore, I think you really need to quit using the word "survival" because it is becoming annoying. That is exactly what scientologists want you to believe.... that scientology is actually based on science, haha. "Money is a lot" I agree but not everything. If all you want is to make more and more money chances are you WON'T be happy, and that is what it is all about isn't it? HAPPINESS. Money isn't the only way to happiness. There are a lot of rich guys who don't get laid much no matter how rich they are, and there are a lot of poor guys who get laid daily. Let me offer something here: there are different ways to happiness, and money can be an avenue some choose to take. However, trying to push your beliefs on someone is stupid.

"This stuff is used by salesman, and the technology, some people get it inately, some don't."

Technology? What technology? It is a damn religion. You also have no way to attribute your dad's success to scientology. He probably learned some sales techniques, no doubt, but he is not a scientologist now is he. Scientology is something you can pull things from, like sales techniques, and getting girls, but that is all that they are, knowledge. You don't have to use them as if scientology owns them. Scientology is made up of them, so they don't COME from scientology. I believe in a way you are telling us this, but don't try to defend scientology, defend the knowledge you post.

"Don't feel squashed down even more in life by the truth. These people want to see you succeed (scientologists, scientologist based business groups), and they want you to suceed so that they can make money also. "

This, by far, is the stupidest thing you have posted. It also contradicts your previous points about "survival". You see, survival is in the scientific sense, given meaning by competition... you've heard survival of the fittest. The whole world is nothing but competition, competition for money, for girls, and ultimately, for power. You saying they want you to succeed, these competing businessmen, is false. They don't give a fu-ck about you! Are you SURE you understand the "TRUTH"? I don't think you do. Let me give you an example, something the movie "Supersize Me" tells us about:
McDonald's, the fast food giant, is loyal to its STOCKHOLDERS, not
its customers. The money flow comes from customers, but they don't care what you do as long as you spend money at their restaurant. You can get fat and die for all they care, as long as more customers take your place and they make more money. Sounds like the cigarette industry doesn't it? Now, even though I am actually majoring in business (!!) I know that businessmen, as George Carlin says, are "full of ****," and thats what you have here: scientology as a corporation, MAKING MONEY any dam-n way they can. Do they get stronger by your success? Undoubtedly. Do they care, other than for the money they might get, that you succeed? NO. To them, you are nothing but a "customer." Now, I have to ask you, why the hel-l would a man who is concerned only with himself (as scientology teaches) and HIS survival, give money back to a stupid half-ass religion?! It just doesn't make any sense.

"Guys, don't be insecure, moan and groan, and talk behind people's backs, that is total afc-upset BALONEY. Good women hate these types of men. These men are weak, and worthless in society. In caveman days, law of the jungle times, you'd be dead. I'd probably kill you, and bang your girlfriend."

Pure, unadultered, primitive, SHI-T. This isn't the jungle times buddy, and we're not animals. Well, we once were, if you believe in the evolution of the human race, as I do, but that is beside the point. What you posted in this paragraph sounds drowned in immaturity. Your "open-mind" is just as closed as everyone else's. Listen, all I am saying is you don't have to post things in the context of scientology, just present them as if they are pieces of knowledge, and stop defending scientology.

 

[Flogger]

Well, here's something from Hubbard on hypnotism...

from 8-8008, p.36:

"Hypnotism is performed by causing a subject to receive a continuous rhythmic or monotonous flow from the operator. After this flow has continued the subject will accept any reality which the operator cares to deliver to him."

Sounds useful for pickups.

Here are two other useful tools: (from p.70)

"The pressor is a beam which can be put out by a thetan which acts as a stick and with which one can thrust oneself away or thrust things away. The pressor beam can be lengthened and, in lengthening, pushes away.

"A tractor beam is put out by a thetan in order to pull things toward him. The tractor beam is an energy flow which the thetan shortens. If one placed a flashlight beam upon a wall and then, by manipulating the beam, brought the wall closer to him by it, he would have the action of a tractor beam. The tractor beams are used to extract perceptions from a body by a thetan. Pressor beams are used to direct action. Tractors and pressors comonly exist together with the tractor as a loop outside the pressor. The two together stabilize one another."

Ah, mind reading and behavioral control.

It's a shame SeaOrg only allows sex after marriage. Otherwise, whoa-baby, they'd be master DJs.


JaguarMike -- I'm trying to give a bigger picture of what you could be in for -- not personally attack you. Like I said above (and you've said): the corn in the sh!t. I still agree with that. But, for your own health and safety, beware of the game.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Well, you would be very successful if you learned mind control and mind reading, but I have yet to hear of anyone who has actually been able to do it, so I will spend my time doing what actually works, and that is why we are here. I think it would be best if we just focus on the information and not on the scientology behind it. I don't know how useful that classifying technology or whatever he posted is, but it is just like matching tones, as simple as that, no scientology needed. Matching moods maybe too, because people, as he said, change their tones a lot.

 

[Flogger]

Then again... (p.114)

"Cleared Thetan Clear -- A thetan who is completely rehabilitated and can do everything a thetan should do, such as move MEST [Matter, Energy, Space, Time] and control others from a distance, or create his own universe."

Screw tractor beams...


BTW, the tone scale actually goes from - 8.0 to 40.0, -8.0 being "complete unbeingness as a thetan."


I better stop posting excerpts, lest I violate the fair use law and get sued.

 

[JaguarMike]

the tone scale goes from 40 to negative 40, negative 40 being being total failure. Below negative 8 is very hard to reform. If you wanna see where this is taken from, read about The Illustrated Tone Scale in Full. I don't know the best way to talk about Pimp from day one. If what you're doing works for you, keep on doing it. I'm showing people a way to freedom that most never experience. Pimp from day one, there is so much nonsense in your backtalking to daddy that i'm not even gunna hit on it. You post so much on this topic with your complaining, it really gets to you that others will suceed doesn't it. I don't know you personally, you don't know me personally, but I bet if I met you in person it would be unpleasant to say the least. As tom cruise says, "you are a jerk."

Call me brainwashed, but i'll be laughing all the way to the bank, while being legitamately happy, as I did today. I'll be posting more topics in time.

 

[Flogger]

Alas, I guess he revised the tone scale.

Originally, -8 to 0 was for thetans specifically. It looks like -40 to 0 still covers thetans (though it doesn't say that on the image I saw--but the labels for -8 to 0 are the same).

Are you diving into auditing? Or are you just using some of his tech at work?

If you do do auditing, I suggest you read the wall of fire documents on the web. There's zero doubt that the documents are accurate (the church even said they were to protect the copyright). That'll give you a heads up about what you'll be doing from OT III to OT VII.

 

[JaguarMike]

I'm a little scared about auditing at this point, so far i'm just sticking to the technology for business use. I am cautious with this, but I don't like people badmouthing it in a stupid way.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought maybe we could have an intelligent conversation, not "my way or the highway" shi-t like you are trying to do. Me get mad that others are succeeding? Haha, sorry, I'm not like you, but if you wanna play dirty....
Laughing all the way to the bank are we? What happened?
Did daddy let you run his business?

 

[JaguarMike]

lol. No, my dad is a dentist. I can't do dentistry, I haven't gone to school for it. I created my own business, from my own money I made. There's a natural progression to good wealth, sometimes you have to start from the bottom which is what I did. I started out making subs for 6.50 and used that money for my other project. And yes, you hate to see other people succeed. You thrive on keeping others down don't you. People like you should be taken off this planet and put in a death camp. Haters (suppressives) can go to hell.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Haha, I'm still laughing from the way you keep talking. "Suppressives" haha. Would you PLEASE quit using those fu-cking scientology terms?!
I don't care if you're successful or not man, quit trying to act like you know what kind of person I am, it is stupid and makes you look even stupider. I don't see WHY you're arguing with me in the first place, I wasn't knocking your information, I was knocking scientology, and I don't see why you keep defending it.

I just have to ask though, how do you make subs that cost $6.50? I am just curious.

 

[JaguarMike]

I was making 6.50 an hour, the subs cost about 6.95. I'll stop with the bullshyt it is childish of me, but don't put down Scientology like its complete garbage, it isn't. There are a lot of good points in it man.

p.s. it's ok sweetie, we all still love you.