Sandra Bland Arrest

[TheVirtualMind]

I'm in denial about stuff? So someone that has experience with a job and the issues you are ranting about is making stuff up? OK buddy. Please, enlighten me on how long your academy training was and where you patrolled. I'll wait. In the meantime, I'm going to go to the nearest VFW and tell everyone there how they could have done better during their service, since I have no experience, but I do watch war movies and play Call of Duty.

Hmmm...You point out about quotas and the legal ramifications of them existing. Pretty much like what I stated. Just for fun, I'll keep going.

She wasn't taken to jail for changing lanes. She went to jail for assault.

If that is what you consider tailgating, you must hate being on the highway.

Glad you heard "most" of the stop. During his initial approach, he evens asks her "do you have a drivers license," well after initially asking for her license and registration.

He asked her to put the cigarette out. Not unreasonable. I've asked everyone I have stopped to put the cigarette out, or to not light it until we are done. I've been burned before and I didn't like it (prejob.)

Finally, I'm making stuff up by not blindly agreeing to something, because I don't know the 100% complete story. Please Rex, tell me exactly where her hands are, whether you smell alcohol on her breath, if she has bloodshot eyes, is shaking and sweating, and/or is looking all around her vehicle or at the center console? When you do all that, let me know your eye doctors information so I can get that xray vision.

 

[Stagger Lee]

What I do notice is that the police wants the general public to turn a blind eye to their corruption, brutality, and murder of innocent civilians, and when people try to hold the police to the same level of accountability that everybody else is held to you're suddenly accused of being anti-police.

And you want everyone to turn a blind eye to some of the public's bad behavior and conduct.

The initial stop is why she was in jail.

No, she is why she was in jail.

The cop was tailgating her, she switched lanes to allow him to pass.

No, she ran a stop sign without signaling and he is well over 50 feet behind her when she changed lanes without signaling, an arrestable offense in Texas.

The d*ckhead cop escalated the situation and exponentially made it worse.

No, she first escalated the situation from a warning into a confrontation.

Now you're making sh*t up. All of this happened because he didn't like her answer when she stated that she was irritated and when she had the audacity to question as to why she had to put out her cigarette in her car.

No she ranted at him before he asked her to put out her cigarette. Then refused to exit the vehicle, then cussed and ranted and allegedly kicked and elbowed and resisted arrest. Stop making sh*t up.

 

[Stagger Lee]

That's one part I didn't get to see. The video I saw started right before she got pulled over, right after going through the green light and then changing lanes.

Dash cam shows the officer had just got done politely issuing a warning to another driver then appears to show Bland drive right through a stop sign and not signal right in front of the officer at 1:15 and speed down the 20 mph zone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URAZ3umt7v0. Besides that the road ahead appeared to dead end into a campus and the officer likely would've turned around anyhow.

 

[TheVirtualMind]

Dash cam shows the officer had just got done politely issuing a warning to another driver then appears to show Bland drive right through a stop sign and not signal right in front of the officer at 1:15 and speed down the 20 mph zone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URAZ3umt7v0. Besides that the road ahead appeared to dead end into a campus and the officer likely would've turned around anyhow.

Thanks, I had not seen this one yet.

 

[speed dawg]

Certain people in this country can't do for themselves, so they want advantages. Other groups of people have found ways to make money off of it (or votes). This is the bottom line, in all these police cases or anything else political.

There's no amount of logic or facts that will convince those 'certain' people of anything. For the 'other' group, it pays to keep logic and facts out of the equation.

 

[SmooveMooves]

°-hh

 

[prison/con.net]

Sounds to me like "good effing RIDDANCE"

 

[cordoncordon]

Lol the cop targeting her, pulled a u-turn to follow her...was speeding behind her, and baited her into merging without signaling.

Even public officials down in Texas have said their officer didnt behave properly. Even logicallefty, the ONLY officer here (real life experience) has said the officer behaved unprofessionally.

Texan taxpayers are gonna have fun paying off this lawsuit. We know there will be one.

I haven't read far enough into the thread to see if anyone else has posted this, but he did a U turn right after she ran a stop sign when taking a right hand turn.

 

[cordoncordon]

No, this crazy woman who killed herself over a failure to signal escalated the situation by refusing to put out her cigarette and then by resisting arrest.

The cop had a right to ask her to put it out, as in the hand of an irate or drugged suspect a cigarette can be used to burn the officer.

Sandra Bland was irate, angry, and had a history of drug use, drunk driving, and even a history of threatening suicide, as shown by her own handwritten admission on her jail intake form:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...suicide-felt-very-depressed-on-day-of-arrest/

She was clearly a very imbalanced and troubled young woman. And during the stop I can see that she was very angry and belligerent, and I can see why Bland was so confrontational at being pulled over. Here are some of her past charges and convictions:

1) In February 2014 she was charged with operating an uninsured motor vehicle and driving with expired license plates. She was convicted on both charges and fined, and court records show that she still owed $2,769.00 in fines

2) In March 2014 Bland was again cited for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. Court records show she was ordered to pay a fine, but was cited twice for failure to pay. In June of 2014 the court ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified, and the docket lists a $1,313.00 balance still due

3) Again in March 2014 - approximately five days after her last citation for operating an uninsured motor vehicle - Bland was again stopped by police and charged with two counts of driving under the influence; speeding 15-20 mph over the speed limit; improper lane usage; disobeying a traffic control signal; failing to signal when changing lanes; driving on a suspended license, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. The court found her guilty of DUI. She received court supervision and was fined, and court records show that she still owes $3,132.00 in this case. (A spokesman with the Illinois Secretary of State’s office says Bland’s driver’s license was automatically suspended for six months – until November of 2014 – as a result of this DUI conviction.)

4) During that license suspension – in May of 2014 – police cited Bland for speeding 15-20 mph over the limit. According to a County court docket, Bland “fail[ed] to comply” in the case in June of 2014 and again in August of 2014, when the court ordered the Illinois Secretary of State to be notified.

5) Just in the last ten years, Bland had been arrested on five separate occasions, inluding one incident in 2005 where she was charged with and pled guilty to driving too fast for conditions or failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...ters-With-Police-316025661.html#ixzz3h8v2w1Cq

This crazy woman had a history of drinking and driving, operating a motor vehicle without insurance, operating a motor vehicle while her license was suspended, committing generally unsafe driving conditions which threatened the lives of herself and innocent people on the road around her. She had a long and recent history of driving dangerously and threatenting the lives of those around her. Not only this, but she also had a history of thumbing her nose at authority and refusing to pay the debts she had accumulated as a result of her total recklessness and complete disregard for her own safety as well as the safety of the people around her.

I for one think this cop should be commended for doing what he could to finally get this crazy woman off the streets.

He had a right to demand she put out her cigarette, as she was very upset and irate as you can see on the video when he asks her if she's ok. Nobody wants a cigarette to be used to burn them or flick them in the eye, especially when it's in the hands of an angry suspect who's being confronted by the police for her erratic driving behavior.

Regardless, the cop in this case also had a legal right to demand that Bland get out of the car during a routine traffic stop, even without a justifiable reason as established by this 1977 US Supreme Court decision:

Pennsylvania v. Mimms 434 U.S. 106 (1977)

http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1977/1977_76_1830

Most Americans don't realize the police have this right, even during a routine stop and even for no apparent justifiable reason. The Supreme Court concluded that ordering the person out of their car during a routine traffic stop is a minimal infringement on their personal liberty when compared to the importance of protecting the lives of the officer and innocent bystanders until completion of the officer's investigation during the stop.

Good info. This woman had no business driving an automobile. Period.

As for her being dead? That is 100% on her. Millions of people are in prison. If they kill themselves? So be it. It's a shame but no one forced them to do it.

 

[Boilermaker]

No, this crazy woman who killed herself over a failure to signal escalated the situation by refusing to put out her cigarette and then by resisting arrest.

The cop had a right to ask her to put it out, as in the hand of an irate or drugged suspect a cigarette can be used to burn the officer.

Sandra Bland was irate, angry, and had a history of drug use, drunk driving, and even a history of threatening suicide, as shown by her own handwritten admission on her jail intake form:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...suicide-felt-very-depressed-on-day-of-arrest/

She was clearly a very imbalanced and troubled young woman. And during the stop I can see that she was very angry and belligerent, and I can see why Bland was so confrontational at being pulled over. Here are some of her past charges and convictions:

1) In February 2014 she was charged with operating an uninsured motor vehicle and driving with expired license plates. She was convicted on both charges and fined, and court records show that she still owed $2,769.00 in fines

2) In March 2014 Bland was again cited for operating an uninsured motor vehicle. Court records show she was ordered to pay a fine, but was cited twice for failure to pay. In June of 2014 the court ordered that the Illinois Secretary of State be notified, and the docket lists a $1,313.00 balance still due

3) Again in March 2014 - approximately five days after her last citation for operating an uninsured motor vehicle - Bland was again stopped by police and charged with two counts of driving under the influence; speeding 15-20 mph over the speed limit; improper lane usage; disobeying a traffic control signal; failing to signal when changing lanes; driving on a suspended license, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle. The court found her guilty of DUI. She received court supervision and was fined, and court records show that she still owes $3,132.00 in this case. (A spokesman with the Illinois Secretary of State’s office says Bland’s driver’s license was automatically suspended for six months – until November of 2014 – as a result of this DUI conviction.)

4) During that license suspension – in May of 2014 – police cited Bland for speeding 15-20 mph over the limit. According to a County court docket, Bland “fail[ed] to comply” in the case in June of 2014 and again in August of 2014, when the court ordered the Illinois Secretary of State to be notified.

5) Just in the last ten years, Bland had been arrested on five separate occasions, inluding one incident in 2005 where she was charged with and pled guilty to driving too fast for conditions or failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident, and operating an uninsured motor vehicle.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/investiga...ters-With-Police-316025661.html#ixzz3h8v2w1Cq

This crazy woman had a history of drinking and driving, operating a motor vehicle without insurance, operating a motor vehicle while her license was suspended, committing generally unsafe driving conditions which threatened the lives of herself and innocent people on the road around her. She had a long and recent history of driving dangerously and threatenting the lives of those around her. Not only this, but she also had a history of thumbing her nose at authority and refusing to pay the debts she had accumulated as a result of her total recklessness and complete disregard for her own safety as well as the safety of the people around her.

I for one think this cop should be commended for doing what he could to finally get this crazy woman off the streets.

He had a right to demand she put out her cigarette, as she was very upset and irate as you can see on the video when he asks her if she's ok. Nobody wants a cigarette to be used to burn them or flick them in the eye, especially when it's in the hands of an angry suspect who's being confronted by the police for her erratic driving behavior.

Regardless, the cop in this case also had a legal right to demand that Bland get out of the car during a routine traffic stop, even without a justifiable reason as established by this 1977 US Supreme Court decision:

Pennsylvania v. Mimms 434 U.S. 106 (1977)

http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1977/1977_76_1830

Most Americans don't realize the police have this right, even during a routine stop and even for no apparent justifiable reason. The Supreme Court concluded that ordering the person out of their car during a routine traffic stop is a minimal infringement on their personal liberty when compared to the importance of protecting the lives of the officer and innocent bystanders until completion of the officer's investigation during the stop.

The fact that she had a history of getting arrested and had suicidal tendencies doesn't make up for the fact that the officer was rude, impatient, immature and aggressive.

It just makes it a tragedy, because she could be alive and helped if the officer was just a little nicer.

He probably legally didn't need to.

 

[prison/con.net]

Somebody should have beaten the crap out of her the FIRST time that she drove while drunk. Driving while impaired is really no different than shooting into houses. EVENTUALLY, you ARE going to hit somebody, and it CAN be with the first "try", and you're an attempted murderer. Either drink at home or call a cab, you arrogant pos. Why are YOU so special that you get to endanger others? Why should those others not just "do-you-up" FIRST, in self defense, hmm?

 

[logicallefty]

I was unaware of Ms. Bland's criminal history until I read you guys's posts just now. I agree that she had probably reached the count of zero for deserving any further breaks. And I also agree that she was a a nutjob. But I still stand behind what I originally said. It was a cigarette. What was the big deal? Let her smoke it. Who cares. Unless the officer can articulate and prove that he himself had a medical alergy to cig smoke, I still think he had no cause to ask her to put it out. It was irrelevant IMO. I don't think the officer is directly at fault for Ms. Bland's death, but I do think he should have just let her rant and rave all she wanted, said "Here is your warning (or ticket), have a good day", went 10-8 to his dispatcher, and left it at that.

But as VirtualMind said, every officer does things differently..

 

[Tenacity]

Brad that was an excellent breakdown.

Isn't it funny how it NEVER FAILS, that the "face" of black oppression is always some irresponsible, idiotic, out of control black person? It never fails. They always paint them to be saints (gentle giants) and then when all of the information is revealed, the person turns out to be just a total FVCK-UP.

Lol, I mean it's so funny but it's so sad at the same time, that you can't really even laugh at the shyt.

Can you black progressives and liberals just at least find someone that's DECENT who is getting "mis-treated" by the "white supremacist cops" to use as your poster boy? Oh I forgot, you can't find anybody like that because decent black people don't go around doing irresponsible SHYT that causes them trouble with the Cops.

But let me stop before Jaylan gives me a Neg Rep saying I'm "cooning" or being an Uncle Tom again lol.

 

[YawataNoKami]

This incident has fallen off the planet now that Sandra Blands sordid history of self mutilation and TEN encounters with the police including retail theft and drug posession as reported by NBC 5 in Chicago. Bland's mother refused to bail her out and no one apparently knows who her father is. This is a typical example of the many struggles minorities have staying out of trouble with the law.

Lets not look at the color of her skin but rather the culture that blacks face. It's a culture that encourages flouting of our laws and disrespect of law enforcement in general.


A woman with a criminal background and a host of traffic offenses including 2 DUI's and a history of self mutilation and a bad attitude is arrested and hangs herself and the cops are to blame?

What on God's green earth would anyone want to kill this women for. Her behavior merited her arrest and incarceration. She was where her behavior put her. Regrettably she committed suicide. And now, the chorus begins to wail again about the ugly system we are all forced to endure

 

[Skyline]

You guys have to remember that driving is a privilege and not a law. You also have to remember that in order to get your license, you agree to obey any instructions that a traffic officer tells you to do because driving is a privilege.

In the state of Texas, you are allowed to smoke in your car unless an officer tells you otherwise. Why is an officer allowed to do this? Because as long as you are in that vehicle, you are in a privilege. When he asked her to put it out, she was clearly conveying that she was being disorderly. The officer obviously knew she had a history, as he looked her up, so extra pre-caution was made.

He told her to step out of the car. She said that "he had no right." Yes he does actually, when a traffic officer tells you to do something you have to do it as long as you are in your vehicle or if you got pulled over FOR being in your vehicle doing something wrong, in this case it was improper lane change, blowing passed a stop sign, and failure to follow instructions from a traffic officer.

Once he dragged her out, which he is allowed to do so since she disobeyed him, she continued to resist and even tried to resist being put in handcuffs. Remember, you can be put in handcuffs without being arrested. Had she not resisted, she probably would not have been actually arrested.

All she had to do was sign a few papers and she would have left. She couldn't keep calm and this is what happened. I don't care if she is black, indian, white, male, young adult, felon, or even has a clean record. If things don't go smoothly then you need to be prepared to get rough. She started to bite, he then warned her and gave her several chances, and he ended up biting back hard. What did you expect?

Oh yeah, he's not tailgating her at all in the video. That's a ridiculous accusation.

 

[speed dawg]

The fact that she had a history of getting arrested and had suicidal tendencies doesn't make up for the fact that the officer was rude, impatient, immature and aggressive.

It just makes it a tragedy, because she could be alive and helped if the officer was just a little nicer.

He probably legally didn't need to.

Why exactly do you WANT people like Sandra Bland to live and walk among us all, including YOU? This blows my mind. The world is now a safer place with her not in it. I didn't want her to die, but she obviously belonged in jail.

Do you really want the likes of Michael Brown roaming the streets robbing people? What if it was you that got robbed? Or your mother?

 

[prison/con.net]

only pos's would mourn those pos's. Everybody else is GLAD that they're gone.