Rules To Live By

[Augustus_McCrae]

While doing a post mortem review in the aftermath of the break up of a 5 year relationship in December, I made a list of rules with regard to women and relationships.

I'm sure a lot of this has been posted elsewhere, but it was helpful for me to put it into a single document to review every now and then.

If the amount of Sex slows down significantly, it's over

If she stops making you a priority, it's over

If she starts taking you for granted, it's over

Don't spend more money on her than she does on you

Don't get into a relationship with a woman with small children

Look at what she does, not what she says

A woman always has an agenda

All the "I love you's" mean nothing if it's not demonstrated in her actions every day

Stop hanging on to "what used to be" or "how she used to be", Memories of what she was like when you first met and how awesome the two of you were in the beginning can keep you in an unrewarding relationship long after you should move on

Per Rollo: She will never truly appreciate the sacrifices you make for her

While it's nice to have the 10, the hot chick, in most cases her sense of entitlement is not worth it. She probably won't give as much as a 6 or 7

A woman who is 1 or 2 points lower on the SMV scale will probably make a better match for an LTR than a woman who is equal or greater on the SMV scale

No pvzzy is worth putting up with BS

Do not waste your time on a woman who is not really into you and lets you know it and shows it

Per Rollo: True desire cannot be negotiated

If you get involved with a woman who is not as affectionate as you, you will suffer in silence

If you get involved with a woman who has a lower sex drive, you will suffer in silence

Always remember that a relationship can end tomorrow

Your life and your happiness are more important than any woman, no matter how hot she is

Avoid getting into financial arrangements where you could wind up paying for past use of pvssy you no longer have

If she has deep seated insecurity or self esteem issues, it will plague your relationship

If she has a history of making poor decisions, but she now seems to have it together and says that she does, don't believe it

Avoid women who have had children without being married

Avoid women who have children from multiple Fathers

Avoid women who say that they were physically abused by their exes

If you're confused because her best friend is trashy or of questionable character, but your little snowflake isn't and you can't figure out why such a nice girl has a friend like that, you are probably wrong about the true nature of your little snowflake

Never tell a woman something that you don't want everyone to know

-Augustus-

 

[Killakittie]

Amen about happiness being more important than pvssy. I too, fresh out of a marriage, and this read lifted my spirits alittle.

 

[Desdinova]

The one thing I would add in there: Never get into a relationship with a woman who has one or more "friends" of the opposite sex.

The biggest mistake all of us (including myself) make and have made is rewarding a lousy woman with an exclusive relationship. Why does she deserve the LTR status? Is it because we want to keep getting laid, or is she actually worth keeping around for a while? If ANY red flags are popping up, then we should NOT be rewarding her with exclusivity. Give exclusivity to women who deserve exclusivity. If you suspect she's a trashy wh0re based on her lifestyle and/or the traces she's left behind (such as kids, divorce, etc), then she doesn't deserve your exclusivity.

The one thing I disagree with on the list:

A woman always has an agenda

I don't believe that any woman has an agenda. They have fantasies and they have emotions. They cannot create a reliable agenda when everything they plan is based on things that are extremely fluid. Women simply react to how they feel. If they're obsessed over a man, they start to fantasize about being with him. They can become repulsed by him just as easily, and they'll begin to seek out another man to fantasize over.

The only agenda a woman has is to float on a cloud of emotions. That cloud could be large, white and puffy, or it could be dark and full of lightning and hail.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Des,

I wasn't intending to imply that her agenda would be well thought out, logical or long lasting... So, in essence, we agree.

-Augustus-

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Des,
"I don't believe that any woman has an agenda. They have fantasies and they have emotions. They cannot create a reliable agenda when everything they plan is based on things that are extremely fluid. Women simply react to how they feel. If they're obsessed over a man, they start to fantasize about being with him. They can become repulsed by him just as easily, and they'll begin to seek out another man to fantasize over.
The only agenda a woman has is to float on a cloud of emotions. That cloud could be large, white and puffy, or it could be dark and full of lightning and hail."...Des sometimes you amaze me...the concepts here are not new but your way of looking at them is so deep,profound and novel, I need to chew them over for a while...Great post...You must be a truck driver or engaged in some similar profession where you gets lots of time to think.

 

[wifehunter]

Know what you're getting into before diving in... most of the jacka55e5 on here will cry escalate, escalate! But, how many of them the with instigate prudence? You know... thinking before you act? It could save you a lot of heartache, in the long run. Or are we afraid of being called a prude?

 

[JJRocker]

The point about a low sex drive is questionable.

In my experience women with low sex drives are not sexually liberated.

Most of us agree that women want to be a little slutty with out being seen as one. If she has never been treated the way she wants she isn't going to have the kind of sex drive she would if had been treated a little trashy.

 

[backseatjuan]

Don't get into a relationship with a woman that has children, small or grown up teens

Never follow a woman to another town to meet

Slow your pace down, don't jump into a relationship, take your time, do fvck around

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Always has an agenda, solipsistic, and hypergamous. The female triple threat... LOL

-Augustus-

 

[guru1000]

Yup, don't let the tears and "whimsicalities" fool you. Women as a whole are more manipulative, more cunning, more calculated than meets the eye. The capricious moments are simply covert machinations to the effect their will.

Every shvt test, every tear, every covert tactic has a purpose. The biblical story of Adam and Eve, though fictional, shows that even thousands of years ago, women carried out their agendas with cunning sophistry.

Don't be blinded by the artifice of "uncontrollable emotions." When these "outbreaks" arise, look deeper.

 

[Dynamited]

Another one from experience:

Never get into a relationship with a woman who has cheated or had affairs with married/attached men

If they can justify their poor moral choices then, they can also justify it when with you

 

[backseatjuan]

Be on alert if she is hiding stuff online... examples, deletes incoming and outgoing mail, logs off sites.

Be on alert if she has incoming unknown numbers and says its her sister or girlfriend and does not picks up... Normal people add unknown numbers to contact list if it is sister or girlfriend, keep in mind.

Be on alert if you come home from work and getting ready to sleep, she goes to shower and ends up spending there an hour, until you don't want to fvck anymore... She is avoid contact with you.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

I love you dont mean **** if the actions dont back it up. Too true. My ex had a list of demands a mile long. My list was 'affection'. She still couldnt do it.

I'm getting some now just not from her, heh heh heh.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Yes, it's so simple and makes so much sense: always put more weight on what she does, not what she says. If I had internalized this rule earlier on, I could have saved myself a ton of grief and bvll****.

-Augustus-

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Agreed. Actions scream the truth at us. When I was younger, I just didn't know to listen. Good advice!

 

[Tenacity]

Here's a question I have for everybody.

I liked this post by Augustus because there's so much truth in it...but I have to ask a question....WHY do we even still date, marry, and have kids with women? Why do we still do anything romantically with women?

No, this is not an advertisement to turn gay for goodness sakes, but I've been updating my "Anger Thread" lately and just really doing a lot of soul-searching in this area. Sometimes I ask myself, WHY do I keep putting up with this shyt from women?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, looking for a different result. If the market of women have CHANGED (based on feminism/gynocentrism) to where we will continue to have relationship issues with women based on their NEW NATURE...........why even put up with this shyt? Why even date them? And for god's sake, why enter into a legal relationship with them in terms of marriage, creating kids, or just becoming roommates with them?

Have you guys really sat back and asked this question? Why not just fvck Escorts and be a Bachelor for life? I'm just pondering this as I've been thinking about it lately as to why if women can occasionally cause such an uproar or stress in general....why not just opt out of the entire dating game?

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Tenacity,

You raise a good point. It's a very valid question. Here are my thoughts:

For all men regardless of age, it's very very difficult to find a good women. And for younger men (those under 45), it's almost impossible to find a good woman.

At the age of 52, after the horrendous breakup of an almost 30 year marriage, I took the red pill. And believe me, it was life changing. Imagine the shock, the impact of discovering the red pill at that age. It was simultaneously both the best thing and the worst thing that could happen to me. And to
be truthful, it took about 5 or 6 years for it to actually sink in, to fully internalize it. The breakup of the 5 year relationship that led to me writing down these rules was what made it finally sink in.

With regard to children, I can't tell you how glad I am that I already have daughters. They are my family. I truly enjoy being with them. They are the best thing to ever happen to me. However, I would be lying if I didn't tell you that the agony and the pain I dealt with during the breakup of the marriage was not a living hell. I've still got another 2 years of alimony left and a lawyer bill I make payments on every month.

I would not get married again... but... I'm also glad I have my daughters. If I was a guy your age, I might still want to have kids, but to be honest, it's a total crap shoot fraught with hidden danger. I totally understand if you didn't want to have kids because you still might have to deal with a bitter wife or baby Momma. And your kids could get ripped away from you for no reason.

The impact of the feminist/woman's movement, no fault divorce, and the pill can not be overstated. All of this happened during my lifetime (I will be 59 this year). The changes I have witnessed in women are nothing short of staggering. I am amazed and disgusted with how women act these days.

Since the breakup of the 5 year relationship, I've done a lot of dating/fvcking. The youngest one was 35 and the oldest was 53. Every single one of them has been tainted by feminism. It's simply a matter of how much. And, as expected, the younger they are, the more they seem affected by it.

I did have one plate who was 52. She seemed to be the least affected. She actually wanted a man to lead her. But... she had a touch of the whack job in her. However, the sex was awesome and she was very affectionate (my weakness).

But to directly answer your question: Just fvcking women and spinning plates is exciting, but it feels empty to me. To be honest, I love holding a woman after sex, sleeping next to her, cuddling with her, and the rare occasion when you are inside of her, holding each other and you feel a connection. Call it beta if you will, but it's an awesome feeling. I love it when that happens.

I'm seeing a girl now who has potential. 46 years old, Low partner count(to my knowledge...). Very affectionate, both of her parents are still together, great sex. Is not totally selfish and seems mentally balanced. Seems to have a decent sense of self esteem. However, I'm keeping one eye open and I'm prepared to leave if I need to .

Here's how I look at it now: Even if I do break it off,I had those moments together with her. The look in her eye when she gazes at me is genuine, the way it feels when we hold each other is wonderful. But, I'm aware enough now to know that it might be temporary. And I know that the look in her eye could disappear overnight.

Regardless, during these past few months and days, I had that experience, that feeling. And for me, it's worth it for that even if it doesn't last...

-Augustus-

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

Marriage is crap if you enter it blue pill bit relationships can be fanyastic with the right person... Fun, exciting, supportive, and more. The right person can make you feel like the king of the world and you dont have to lose yourself in tbe process.

 

[Tenacity]

But to directly answer your question: Just fvcking women and spinning plates is exciting, but it feels empty to me. To be honest, I love holding a woman after sex, sleeping next to her, cuddling with her, and the rare occasion when you are inside of her, holding each other and you feel a connection. Call it beta if you will, but it's an awesome feeling. I love it when that happens.

I think it's because in the end most of us guys want kids. As much hard work as they can be, they're a lot of fun. When you have your own little boy one day my man, you'll see that one of life's greatest joys is having the little guy look up to you and think of you as just the greatest thing ever. All the bs his mother puts you through will be worth it when you spend time with him teaching him how to throw a ball or swim or ride a bike, or the look on his face when you get him a new toy.

Augustus and Brad, both of your answers are spot on, but I always like to have honest conversations and I believe you guys (as well as myself) are a dying breed of MALE in today's America. Brad you talk about wanting to be a good Father, Augustus you talk about feeling honest connections with women, and the reality is that the negative effects of feminism/gynocentrism are killing off men like you guys. It's the men like you guys that are going to get screwed over in some capacity, why? Well, it's because you are honest "decent/good" men and I think this NEW MARKET doesn't cater to us decent/good men anymore.

Let's face it....we all came here due to having some sort of issue with this new market of women.

- Some of us came here because we couldn't get dates at all, or not that many of them.

- Some of us came here because we couldn't get laid at all, or not laid that much.

- Some of us came here because we had a very bad relationship where either the girl cheated or we had to deal with some stressful Family Court related situations.

The bottom line is this, I would say judging from the majority of the posts on this website, that at least 80% of us are DECENT/GOOD men. And we all have come together (like attracts like) because deep down we all share something and it's that we are decent/good men....but we are dealing with a market of women where it's increasingly difficult to find decent/good/honest women.

So I must pose this question again, why do we keep trying?

- You want sex, why not get an escort and ask for the "girlfriend experience"?

- You want kids? Why not do a surrogate mother or adopt?

I'm not saying I'm about to opt out of dating/fvcking women, nor am I about to opt out of trying to find that ONE decent girl I can do something long term with.

But I have been seriously thinking about how INSANE I must be (based on the definition) to continually dig, dig, and dig through piles of SHYT looking for one particular diamond. In the process of digging through piles of SHYT, I begin to smell and look like the shyt I've been digging through to where if I even eventually come across the diamond, will she even see me as the diamond that I truly am or will the SHYT that's on me blind her to my true character? Thus, she would just put me in the same "Thug/Player/Bum" category?

As much as I rant about thugs and players, I have BECOME a thug/player. I remember I used to be such a nice guy man. I'm talking about going to church, praying for people, happy go lucky. And I got so taken advantaged of. And while we can sit up here and say I was wrong to be such a nice guy, I was only wrong being a nice guy because everybody else is so fvcked up. The light will always look weird to people living in darkness.

I wish I could erase my red pill teachings and go back to blue pill. Even though I wouldn't get NEARLY as much pvssy and dates, and I would more than likely be FVCKED over by women in Family Court........man did my blue pill days feel good. I had so much peace. I had so much love in my heart.

- It's like Christmas. Christmas felt so good when you were a kid because you believed in a fat man named Santa Claus who was coming on Christmas Eve to bring you a bunch of shyt for being good all year long. Christmas was one of the happiest days of your life as a kid. (BLUE PILL)

- Then you wake up and realize everything you were told about Christmas was a lie, there's no Santa Claus and the gifts under your tree were put there by relatives. You begin to see Christmas for exactly what it is...a "federal holiday" designed to boost the total annual sales of retailers. It has nothing to do with a Santa Claus and there's no Santa Claus. (RED PILL)

Man I would do anything to go back to feeling like a kid at Christmas time again....it's like the only way to truly ENJOY women is to believe the FAIRY TALES.

 

[guru1000]

Tenacity, I'll leave your questions to the other posters, but I do have one broader question for you:

What do you believe is your purpose here with this physical existence? Is it to create a life of nirvana and life happily ever after--or--is to be challenged endlessly to constantly evolve but never quite reach the ideal state of happiness until you have completely metamorphosed into your "purpose," and if said purpose is not attained within this physicality, then the ideal state of happiness becomes unattainable--or?

This is a larger question. But I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.