Rules To Live By

[Augustus_McCrae]

To expect a lot out of you and never show or reciprocate gratitude. So you will go out of your way using your time, resources and energy on her. She will suck it up like a black hole and never return the kindness. She may even be mean to you while you are treating her good.

I couldn't have said it better.

-Augustus-

 

[Tenacity]

Any ideas how to get finaly rid of this deeply ingrained last piece of bluepill are welcome. Do how to overcome this dilemma?

The reality is, I don't think most of us honest, good men, with integrity CAN completely eliminate it.

I do want you and everyone to understand, despite the rhetoric on this forum about how supposedly unmanly being blue pill is, it's actually a patriarchal TRADITION for us to be blue pill and see women (and children) as "precious" and "of need of protection/provision". Because in those pre-feminism, pre-women's liberation, pre-gynocentrism times, women had no rights and were damn near considered our property. So we HAD to protect them.

What we are going through today is in my opinion, an UN-NATURAL situation. People like Legend have mentioned that he believes the way women act today is their NATURAL nature and I fundamentally disagree with that. I believe they are acting OUTSIDE of their nature and acting UN-NATURAL, in other words, women are attempting to BE men in every sense of the word.

- That's why they pick loser men, it's an attempt to dominate the relationship.
- That's why the majority of American women are bisexual/lesbian
- That's why the majority of American women talk about how "strong" and "independent" they are

This is UN-NATURAL and the women are acting OUTSIDE of their nature.

This is causing most men today to act FEMININE in order to "fit into" this shyt. Men are being emasculated, acting weak, acting like pvssies, operating according to a woman's FRAME/rules rather than his own, many men are living off women and sleeping on their couches, etc., etc., etc.

This is some UN-NATURAL shyt we are dealing with and guys like me and you, who are traditional patriarchal men in a society that's becoming a MATRIARCHY, where the fvck do we fit in at? I don't know man, I don't know......we are a dying breed my brother.

 

[MrAddiction]

This is some UN-NATURAL shyt we are dealing with and guys like me and you, who are traditional patriarchal men in a society that's becoming a MATRIARCHY, where the fvck do we fit in at? I don't know man, I don't know......we are a dying breed my brother.

So this is the tragedy of our lives.... in our younger days, when we were some kinda nice guys, we could not get the girls we wanted but would have been ideal for a LTR how women would like it today. After coming to the redpill awareness we can get the girls but are no longer willing to take up with the bullshxt most woman want a man to put through in a LTR. Though we are searching for something we can not find, and this is a quality women. But how much sense is there to search for a unicorn?

 

[Tenacity]

So this is the tragedy of our lives.... in our younger days, when we were some kinda nice guys, we could not get the girls we wanted but would have been ideal for a LTR how women would like it today. After coming to the redpill awareness we can get the girls but are no longer willing to take up with the bullshxt most woman want a man to put through in a LTR. Though we are searching for something we can not find, and this is a quality women. But how much sense is there to search for a unicorn?

Exactly, but like I was mentioning to Legend, I really believe this is MORE the fault of the women than it is our fault. Why? Because in their quest to be "equal" to men, it's the WOMEN who have changed in mass. This has caused men to change in mass, which is crazy because we are supposed to be the ones that lead not follow.

So if you are a good, honest, man with integrity and focused on patriarchy, this is probably your path:

- Age 16 to 25: Women aren't feeling you like that. You are too nerdy, too broke, too whatever. You watch women pick thugs, criminals, and other piece of shyt men over you. Why are the women picking these men over you? NO, it's not due to any secret biology, it's primarily because the women are looking to party and want to go with the guy that can provide the best PARTY LIFE. They want to be reckless and irresponsible. Yes, they are USING these men for temporary pleasure.

- Age 25 to 40: You graduate college, you get into at least the Middle Class, you fix your looks/workout, and become an overall attractive guy. Now you are able to consistently get women, consistently get new pvssy, consistently get new dates. But the women are now pushing 30 and guess what? Now they are done being reckless and irresponsible, they want to "check off the list" of their life and get married, so they can put it on Facebook for "likes". So WHY are you really getting all of these new dates and new pvssy? It's because you FIT the "type" that they want to marry. Yes, they are USING you in this part of their life, similar to how they used the thug/criminal in the early part of their life.

You see the Manosphere tells us that we "seduced" her, but that's not true. Women are the seducers. Women are the ones that STRATEGICALLY use particular "types" of men based on whatever they are looking for at a particular time within their life.

They are acting like MEN. They are master manipulators and strategic planners, forget anything you've previously been told about how women are just "emotional idiots" that can't think logically. That's Bullshyt.

 

[MrAddiction]

Yes, they are USING you in this part of their life, similar to how they used the thug/criminal in the early part of their life.

So the answer is to let oneself be used to whatever end a woman wants? That is not what I am willing to let happen - and you neither I guess?!

 

[Tenacity]

So the answer is to let oneself be used to whatever end a woman wants? That is not what I am willing to let happen - and you neither I guess?!

Here are our options (at least from my analysis):

- Go MGTOW: This is to hold steadfast to your traditional values and say fvck it. This is going to piss women off though, so while you will bring IN a lot of women, the relationship situation is going to suffer because you will NEXT the chick when the bullshyt starts, instead of what women say and that's "handling" her.

- Sell Out: You say fvck and sell out. Now, you don't have to sell out in total (which in my opinion is to get married to one of them) you can date them, fvck them, and have short term relationships. You can "handle" CERTAIN aspects of bullshyt they throw but keep it at a limited minimum and always have stored women on the side that you can rotate in.

- Be Bitter/Angry: You can sit there and be bitter/angry over the shyt.....then eventually get to the point where you snap and do an Elliot Rogers on a bytch (or a couple of bytches).

Tenacity's Direction (Partial Sell-Out)

- I'm personally selling out, I'm just doing it in partial not in full. I'm not doing any legal relationships with women (no marriage, no creation of kids, and no moving them in). I'm using them for the sex, the companionship, and the dates.

- I also get into short term relationships with them (usually under 1 year). I keep my LIMITS on the bullshyt I tolerate, such as only dating women with no kids so I'm not raising another man's seed, not dating women with horrible finances so I'm not paying her rent, etc.

- I'm basically enjoying the BENEFITS of the chicks in terms of sex/companionship for the time period of when everything is flowing efficiently. The MOMENT that bytch gets unbearable, it's time to rotate her.

- This is my plan (average of under 1 year relations) from now until I turn about the age of 50. When I get over 50, I will keep the same structure, but the women should begin to "tone down" their bullshyt and I believe the relations will average a longer duration of about 3 - 5 years.

 

[Once Bitten]

My plan is to play the girl until she starts playing games. When in my 20's I had one do that after 1 1/2 months.

But with most it takes six months to a year. I'm just going to ride the wave alpha style, showing just enough beta BS to keep her long enough to enjoy some good secks.
And remember when to cut the cord.

It's interesting to look back, that in every relationship I've been in, I knew when to cut the cord, however I didn't, thinking I'd be losing my poon.
This is their power. When it feels time to cut the cord, it is really time. I would drag out a relationsh!t for years for the sure poon, but seldom getting it. It's really quite neurotic if you think about it, but that's how intoxicating a woman's femininity is.

I have a friend who right now is riding the wave out way too long, just because a club we are both in, is mainly 65-80+ years old. (car club). We are 52 and 55 yo.
It looks good for him to have this woman on his arm. Even though she keeps him miserable. I am MGTOW, the older group knows it and sees it as a weakness, or ?
They disrespect me for it in their own way, so I left. One must do what is right in their own heart/mind based on experience.
I commend you men for helping us all see the shyt for exactly what it is.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Exactly, but like I was mentioning to Legend, I really believe this is MORE the fault of the women than it is our fault. Why? Because in their quest to be "equal" to men, it's the WOMEN who have changed in mass. This has caused men to change in mass, which is crazy because we are supposed to be the ones that lead not follow.

So if you are a good, honest, man with integrity and focused on patriarchy, this is probably your path:

- Age 16 to 25: Women aren't feeling you like that. You are too nerdy, too broke, too whatever. You watch women pick thugs, criminals, and other piece of shyt men over you. Why are the women picking these men over you? NO, it's not due to any secret biology, it's primarily because the women are looking to party and want to go with the guy that can provide the best PARTY LIFE. They want to be reckless and irresponsible. Yes, they are USING these men for temporary pleasure.

- Age 25 to 40: You graduate college, you get into at least the Middle Class, you fix your looks/workout, and become an overall attractive guy. Now you are able to consistently get women, consistently get new pvssy, consistently get new dates. But the women are now pushing 30 and guess what? Now they are done being reckless and irresponsible, they want to "check off the list" of their life and get married, so they can put it on Facebook for "likes". So WHY are you really getting all of these new dates and new pvssy? It's because you FIT the "type" that they want to marry. Yes, they are USING you in this part of their life, similar to how they used the thug/criminal in the early part of their life.

You see the Manosphere tells us that we "seduced" her, but that's not true. Women are the seducers. Women are the ones that STRATEGICALLY use particular "types" of men based on whatever they are looking for at a particular time within their life.

They are acting like MEN. They are master manipulators and strategic planners, forget anything you've previously been told about how women are just "emotional idiots" that can't think logically. That's Bullshyt.

YOU are the problem for choosing women of the same mental faculty as yourself--BROKEN.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

While it's nice to have the 10, the hot chick, in most cases her sense of entitlement is not worth it. She probably won't give as much as a 6 or 7

-Augustus-

The problem with the hot chick is she knows she is "hot". And this often spoils her personality. the 6s and 7s are soooo much sweeter... and therefore more attractive.

 

[Milano]

This is art!

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Every once in a while, I review these rules. It helps me stay focused. So I thought it was worth bumping the thread for guys who may not have seen it.

-Augustus-

 

[Poonstra]

It's a great thread!

Indeed

 

[corporate_sellout]

While doing a post mortem review in the aftermath of the break up of a 5 year relationship in December, I made a list of rules with regard to women and relationships.

I'm sure a lot of this has been posted elsewhere, but it was helpful for me to put it into a single document to review every now and then.

If the amount of Sex slows down significantly, it's over

If she stops making you a priority, it's over

If she starts taking you for granted, it's over

Don't spend more money on her than she does on you

Don't get into a relationship with a woman with small children

Look at what she does, not what she says

A woman always has an agenda

All the "I love you's" mean nothing if it's not demonstrated in her actions every day

Stop hanging on to "what used to be" or "how she used to be", Memories of what she was like when you first met and how awesome the two of you were in the beginning can keep you in an unrewarding relationship long after you should move on

Per Rollo: She will never truly appreciate the sacrifices you make for her

While it's nice to have the 10, the hot chick, in most cases her sense of entitlement is not worth it. She probably won't give as much as a 6 or 7

A woman who is 1 or 2 points lower on the SMV scale will probably make a better match for an LTR than a woman who is equal or greater on the SMV scale

No pvzzy is worth putting up with BS

Do not waste your time on a woman who is not really into you and lets you know it and shows it

Per Rollo: True desire cannot be negotiated

If you get involved with a woman who is not as affectionate as you, you will suffer in silence

If you get involved with a woman who has a lower sex drive, you will suffer in silence

Always remember that a relationship can end tomorrow

Your life and your happiness are more important than any woman, no matter how hot she is

Avoid getting into financial arrangements where you could wind up paying for past use of pvssy you no longer have

If she has deep seated insecurity or self esteem issues, it will plague your relationship

If she has a history of making poor decisions, but she now seems to have it together and says that she does, don't believe it

Avoid women who have had children without being married

Avoid women who have children from multiple Fathers

Avoid women who say that they were physically abused by their exes

If you're confused because her best friend is trashy or of questionable character, but your little snowflake isn't and you can't figure out why such a nice girl has a friend like that, you are probably wrong about the true nature of your little snowflake

Never tell a woman something that you don't want everyone to know

-Augustus-

Always remember that a relationship can end tomorrow. SO TRUE

 

[oldmanofthesea]

Great list! Thanks for sharing and bumping it. I experienced a handful of those things in my last 6 year relationship as well.

 

[Spaz]

Every once in a while, I review these rules. It helps me stay focused. So I thought it was worth bumping the thread for guys who may not have seen it.

-Augustus-

Great job compiling a list for us.

Most men with ignore it until after its too late but it's here as a reminder for the next relationship.

 

[LiveYourDream]

I saw that you mentioned this post in another thread. I think it is worthy of a direct bump back to the current threads. It is full of important pointers, especially for any man that hasn’t read it yet. For those that once read it, it can always serve again, as a good refresher. To me, it fits the category of buried SS gold. I think it is well worthy of being re-posted and read again.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

As Heavy D once sang:

Understand this, before you make a comment,
There's always a meaning in a Heavy D statement
In this life I strive for improvement,
Be your own guide, follow your own movement...

Original, individual, smooth criminal...
Dance a lot, dance a little shuffle to the middle...
Don't clock anybody, let them all clock you...
Don't be down with anybody, let them all be down with you...
Stay self-managed, self-kept, self-taught,
Be your own man, don't be borrowed, don't be bought...

 

[SW15]

WHY do we even still date, marry, and have kids with women? Why do we still do anything romantically with women?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, looking for a different result. If the market of women have CHANGED (based on feminism/gynocentrism) to where we will continue to have relationship issues with women based on their NEW NATURE...........why even put up with this shyt? Why even date them? And for god's sake, why enter into a legal relationship with them in terms of marriage, creating kids, or just becoming roommates with them?

Have you guys really sat back and asked this question? Why not just fvck Escorts and be a Bachelor for life? I'm just pondering this as I've been thinking about it lately as to why if women can occasionally cause such an uproar or stress in general....why not just opt out of the entire dating game?

Most men don't fucck escorts and be a bachelor for life because of the cost. As a result, most men seek to pay indirectly for sex (where the costs are less obvious) than pay directly for sex (where the costs are obvious). It's also more socially acceptable to pay indirectly for sex through conventional dating.

Most men do conventional romantic interactions for the sex.

While doing a post mortem review in the aftermath of the break up of a 5 year relationship in December, I made a list of rules with regard to women and relationships.

I'm sure a lot of this has been posted elsewhere, but it was helpful for me to put it into a single document to review every now and then.

The list in the first post was an extremely good list. I could respond endlessly to points in that list.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Like the Modelo Especial commercial said...

"It doesn't matter what you do in life, just be the best at it"

 

[Gamisch]

Great post. Its such a shame that due the set up of the site stuff like this gets buried under a pile of cliche posts. But oke, I am happy every now and then old gold like this pops up. I especially like this post;

So this is the tragedy of our lives.... in our younger days, when we were some kinda nice guys, we could not get the girls we wanted but would have been ideal for a LTR how women would like it today. After coming to the redpill awareness we can get the girls but are no longer willing to take up with the bullshxt most woman want a man to put through in a LTR. Though we are searching for something we can not find, and this is a quality women. But how much sense is there to search for a unicorn?

Indeed a cruel turn of events. Eventually you'll get that woman you've always wanted , but on the journey to get her and thus improve you've seen ,fecked, and learned so much, that you won't even be able to fall "blindly in love " anymore.

But wasn't that the part we were warned about ? That by taking the redpill ,you kill of the blue pill inside if you. And yes, "the urge to be blue " is so strong and hardwired, that at times we believe we "can let the redpill go" only to get burned again and reconfirm RP believes. Sosuave is still a niche site for a reason. Most men are still good ol' bluepilled.

I am getting to a point where I aim to be what earlier this thread was described as the **sell out.** There's plenty of things I love about women, some more obvious than others. And instead of turning blackpill ( a phrase that apparently didn't exist in 2016 when this thread was made)I rather keep focusing on turning completely redpill.

Becauss that's what the sell out is; a man who is fully aware of the risks of trusting a woman, and yet too smart to turn back to bluepill, but smart enough to exploit the situation and his knowledge to his advantage. And life ,being a bytch herself will teach a stubborn man to smarten up due heartaches if necessary. At most use bluepill manners to appear softer when necessary . But i do think that most peace of mind can be found within the redpill, and if applied the right way can make chasing women actually fun again.