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ruined my freakin night dealing with this chick

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there you go! now you're getting it brotha! do as you exactly said. wait for her call, tell her to sort her sh|t out. don't call back until you have. if you're strong enough, do what i would do. that is to just let her go. the ocassional - hi, how are - then goodbye b|tch! enough said.

forget about her man. meet new girls. go out with friends, have fun. there's plenty more SINGLE girls out there. go get 'em tiger!
 

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Originally posted by WaterTiger
Wait...her boyfriend has a diagnosed mental condition? And that doesn't chill you to the bone?

She needs to make up her mind to stay and help him maintain his stability or drop him completely. Going back and forth between the two of you is only going to aggravate you and make him jealous. Jealous people with mental conditions do "crazy" things...like try to kill the guy they precive is stealing their girlfriend.

Listen to me on this one! I have experience with people with 'personality disorders". They have their own wierd idea of what is reasonable. This has nothing to do with what the rest of us sane people understand as "normal". This boyfriend can become dangerous with NO WARNING.

My personal oppinion is to dump this girl. Do not accept her calls, block her e-mails and if you see her in public, refuse to speak to her & walk away. This is WAY too much drama for dating purposes! This chick is an immature drama queen. She's playing with fire and will be badly burned. Make sure you're out of the blast range.

You may be right, but I am not afriad of any one, or in particular any man. Even if he were to kill me, which is a bit extreme, when it's your time to go, it's just your time to go. I don't live my life in fear.
 

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Originally posted by WaterTiger
Wait...her boyfriend has a diagnosed mental condition? And that doesn't chill you to the bone?

She needs to make up her mind to stay and help him maintain his stability or drop him completely. Going back and forth between the two of you is only going to aggravate you and make him jealous. Jealous people with mental conditions do "crazy" things...like try to kill the guy they precive is stealing their girlfriend.

Listen to me on this one! I have experience with people with 'personality disorders". They have their own wierd idea of what is reasonable. This has nothing to do with what the rest of us sane people understand as "normal". This boyfriend can become dangerous with NO WARNING.

My personal oppinion is to dump this girl. Do not accept her calls, block her e-mails and if you see her in public, refuse to speak to her & walk away. This is WAY too much drama for dating purposes! This chick is an immature drama queen. She's playing with fire and will be badly burned. Make sure you're out of the blast range.

just curious, but are you a woman? i don't know too many woman on here.
 

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okay


she calls me around 20 mintues ago. I figure we might not have enough time, but I thought what the hell.


I told her that I do like her, she knows this, and that I know she likes me as well. We have feelings for each other. I care about her as a person and as a friend, but I also want to be with her and the two don't mix.

I told her that out of respect of her currentl LTR, I haven't made a move on her, because I didn't want to be the reason she left him.

I told her that until this all clears up, or until she is ready to act on the feelings she has towards me, we need to 'cool down'. No hard feelings at all, but the way it's going now just isn't going to work. I have more to offer than just to be an emotional tampon for her.

She then tries to take it stride, however I can tell she was somewhat stunned, and she says that she can understand that I need to protect myself, but I wouldn't be the reason why her and her BF broke up.

I told her regardless of why, the fact is I shouldn't have to sneak around to see you. Her BF already thinks we are fvcking each other. what if I were to meet him? I would have to whip his ass becasue I am your "friend" and I am not getting anything out of the relationship?

She says she respects where I am coming from, and can understand the way I feel and I need to protect myself, and she wanted to "finish our convo later" I said fine because she had to go, but really there isn't much else to talk about. She is more than likely going to try to convence me to stick around because she values our friendship, and that things will "change eventually" and so on. I will hear her out, she deserves it, but I doubt that I change my mind. I know I am not, even if I wanted to I couldn't.

Honestly, i feel pretty good, I feel like there is a weight off of my sholders.

If she does have feelings for me, I give her and her BF one more month. Maybe 2. I wouldn't be suprised if I got a phone call around my B-Day which is Fathers Day.

If she doesn't and reallly just wanted me as a friend, then I probably would hear from her as soon as her and her BF break up, but she will still try to be friends, and I will have to tell her again that I still want to fvck her and if you don't feel the same, you might as well hang up the phone (not in thoose words of course)
 

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Originally posted by backbreaker
squirrls did you even read the damn post? I hound her? I have called her 1 time in 1 month. She calls ME. She has called me 8 times today alone.

I don't have her, how can I get another girl If i am not dating her. I have other friends yes, she is a friend, but I just so happen to care about her.

How am i looking like a little ***** if i am nexting her, which is what i am in the process of doing, or at least seriously concenplating.
Yes, you're hounding her. You're making her feel guilty if she doesn't call you. (which it sounds pretty easy to do)

Not only that, but you keep asking her to go out with you solo when she keeps TELLING you (in no uncertain terms or mixed language) that she would rather be with her current boyfriend than you and doesn't want to date you. This isn't some kind of tease or game...she has pulled out every possible NICE way in the book of telling you she does not want to date you.

No I didn't read the first post. Because I know instantly when someone starts a post that begins with:

"Here's what's been happening with this girl"
Link

Link

Link


and then proceeds to write 3 MORE pages, that what I'm reading is a hopeless and troubled situation.

And there's no such thing as being "in the process of NEXTing." You're either done with her or you're not. And I'm guessing you're not since you TRIED to make the "bold" statement that you were "in the process of NEXTing her", but then you retracted that by saying, "or at least considering it".

Either cut her loose or don't, but don't sit there and pretend you can walk away any time like some alcoholic in denial.

She sleeps with her mom?! LOL
 

Tell her a little about yourself, but not too much. Maintain some mystery. Give her something to think about and wonder about when she's at home.

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I see your point, and you are right to some extent.

I had already made my mind on nexting her, I just worded it wrong, and I bad habit of that.


I do not think I am honding her. I have hounded a girl in my past, I dont' hound this one.

The only time I point out something to her is when I am dispointed, like when she makes a date and cancels or something like that. I don't ever get on her for "not calling".


she would rather be with her current boyfriend than you and doesn't want to date you.
you might be right about that, wouldn't suprise me at all actully, but it just doesn't add up. You don't contact somone after 2 years, have the converstions we have at times, spend the night over each others house, and not want them in some way. However, she does contridict alot of the things she does with her language.

Yeah, she sleeps with her mommy. Her mom just got a divorce and she is lonely and she sleeps with her.


whatever the case may be, she is nexted, for better or for worse.
 

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also the reason I have 3 or so pages or even more about this girl is because I make caculated decisions. I take into account all of the possible information I have about a situtation (it normally takes me 30 mintues to find something to wear in the morning, just how I am). Because of it however, I never have to second guess myself because I know I made the best decision at the end of the day.
 

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okay, The last time I actually spoke to her was Saturday, and I told her that I do llike her, and I know she has feelings for me because of the way she has been acting, but I think she has alot of issues going on, and she needs to call me when she feels like she wants to act on her feelings that she has towards me.


I get a letter Sunday in my email account stating the following:



Sorry that I am emailing you, but I'm sure you are busy on Mother's Day and
my mom has
people over and I'm just sitting in the living room with them (being
polite)... so I thought it
would do useful to write you with my time.

First of all, I don't disagree with you when you say that I am only
available to talk to when I
am not on good terms with (My boyfriend). The truth of the matter is (like I have
said before) maybe it
is immature of me, but I want to spend every available moment with him that
I can. That isn't fair to the people I consider my friends, but maybe I am
STILL not ready to have both. I am still struggling
with keeping both relationships (meaning friends and dating). Unfortunately
it works great with other people such as Cynthia (my other close friend), but I guess thats girl
talk and we want to hear about each others issues.

Second of all, I don't think it is fair that you give me an ultimatum. All
that we have ever been is friends and I think we have always worked well
that way. I don't think you should burden me with choosing to either date
you or not speak to you.
Brandon, you are really a great person and I think your right, I do care for
you, but it is strictly on friendship terms. I don't know what to say
because I can't even be sorry for not feeling an attraction toward you. If
you get hurt or have a bad day I would try my best to be there for you, but
you have to understand that it will always just be as a friend. I
completely understand it if you can't be friends with me (if you are
attracted to me) but you also need to understand that if that's the case
then... thats it.

I promise that when I started talking to you again, I didn't even consider
the fact that you use to like me, I guess its because I have always just
thought of you as a really good person, friend and confidant.

I am so sorry if our relationship has to end like this... again, but I
thought you at least needed to know that my ultimatum is to be friends and
nothing more.

Maybe its best if we let some time go by. I started talking to you again
because I have always considered you a friend, but I have enough problems
and fights to deal with and NOW I am getting the same 'serious,' 'long,
deep' conversations with you and that is not fun at all.... especially with
the fact that I see no point in them because I just want someone I can talk
to hear and then... and not someone to create more problems with.

Sorry that once or twice I have already been crying and you unwillingly get
involved, but I specifically watch myself so that I don't bring him up. I
have even hesitated to answer your questions about him because I don't want
it to be used against me later.

I'm sorry if I have ever offended you or hurt you, but that has never been
my intentions. I feel bad that I opened these feelings for you again. If i
would of know that any of this would happen, I wouldn't of done this to
either of. I don't need anymore stress added to my life and you don't need
my stress or your feelings affecting you.

If I don't hear from you, give me you new cell number when you get it so
i'll know that I won't loose complete contact with you.

I think this letter was short, simple and to the point. Please feel free to
call/ email to express anything.

I appreciate your friendship and advice because I know you have put your
feelings on the side to be there for me as a true friend.




okay, I then get then respond to that email with one of my own.





Hey Babe,

Sorry I have to email you, and I do plan to call you later today to see how your interview went,
but you said some things in this email and in general recently that to be quite honest, pissed me off, and I don't want to
loose my temperament over the phone.

First, I STILL don't think you understand. Rather you like me or not is a mute point. I am sure you
have your reasons for not being attracted to me, whatever they may be, and I am fine with that.
There are people who I am not attracted to.

However, I do not know where you get off thinking that I think that you are a goddess and that I
have to have you or else I would kill myself or something along those lines. You make it sound
like I badger the crap out of you on a daily basis about me and you. The fact is yes, I do find
you physically attractive. Yes we do get along great when we actually do get to talk to one
another. Because of these factors, I could assume that the two of us would make a pretty good
couple. However, I am not infatuated with you; I am not sitting by the phone every day waiting for
you to call like we are dating.

If you honestly feel like I am badgering you, or that if I am "stressing you out", then PLEASE do
me a favor and throw away my phone number. How can I stress you out that much when we hardly even
communicate?

Speaking of stress, babe, you dug yourself your own hole. Don't complain because you are in it. Do
you know how stressed I am on a daily basis? I have customers calling me, badgering me on a daily
basis. I have to get out computers on a daily basis. I have to deal with snobby business people
who look at me funny because I am young and black on a daily basis, then to top it off, I have to
deal with the fact that my business is my livelihood on a daily basis, and the fact that if I
don't make my company work, I will be out of work. Then to top that off, I have to deal with
friends who look at me funny because I have and am able to afford things that they can't, and call
me a sellout because I don't enjoy the same things they do on a daily basis, then the one true
friend that I think I have, and yes I do hold you in that regard Katherina, acts like I have a
****ing disease when I make it known that I am attracted to her? However, you will never hear a
peep from me because I deal with my own problems, and I know that everything that is going on in
my life is a direct correlation of the decisions I have made.

Like I was saying, I have never been so disrespected in my entire life, as when I told you how I
feel you say things like "we will work to get though this, or "I'm sorry you feel that way" or "I
will be here to help you with this" like I was just labeled with HIV or something. You think of me
as a damn disease? If that is the case, trust me, I have lost a lot of interest in you as far as
dating you and you won't have a problem with having me as just a friend. I guess I gave you more
credit than you deserved in that regard.

You don't think it's fair that I gave you an ultimatum? I don't think it's fair that I am being
put in this situation simply because I am a good person, but that's life. The way I see it, I
would be a lot better off If I were a complete jerk. You deal with it. Now, I am not saying it's
ALL your fault; maybe, no I know I should have handled the situation differently then I did, but
hell I am a to-the-point person. Why lie about the way I feel? Once you do that, then you don't
have a real friendship any longer.

With all of that said, you are my friend, and I do mean that. If that's what you want, and from
judging from this and other emails/conversations, I don't chase women who are not interested in
me, so I guess we can be friends. If you want someone that you can call up from time to time, I
can live with that.

However, you have to look at it from MY standpoint. I get a letter from a girl who I specifically
told 2 years ago that "if me and you are not dating we have nothing to really talk about any
longer". Everytime we talked, I get the sense and you even admitted that your relationship with
him is going down the drain. He Hit you. He does drugs and he got kicked out of school. You even
told me that you are depressed, and called me crying. I am thinking, and rightfully so, that you
are shopping around for a new BF before you leave him. I then make a calculated move to tell you
how I feel, and then you tell me that you are not interested. That's fine and all but know that
what I did was calculated based off of YOUR actions. I do not apologize for my actions because
they were well intended.

This is the last "serious, long, deep" email you will receive from me. First, you are not
interested in me, so there is no point of me telling you how I feel. Secondly, the last thing I
want to do be a burden to you. Seriously. If you are looking for a fun person to hand around/ talk
to from time to time, now that we are CLEARLY on the same page, than that's fine.

You wanted to know how I felt, so I told you. I think you are a good person that can be immature
and not think about her actions at times, and the consequences that they might have on her and
other people. I think you enjoy drama, a little to much for my liking. I KNOW you have a lot of
potential somewhere deep inside of you if you just realized it and worked for what you want
instead of letting other people dictate your life and it's meaning.

I can go on and on, but you hvae done some things that actually hurt me in some regards, and at
the same time some things that make me feel disrespected and underappricated.

BUT..

I am, I really am, glad you contacted me even if it did mean unleashing and getting over the old
feelings I had for you, gaining a very good friend as yourself is always worth it.


 

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I hear ya man, boy do i hear ya! Several days after talking to you about all this, i fell into the trap with this spanish girl. I didn't give a damn about her at first and she acted incredibly interested (to the point where it got a little strange), then the moment i showed the slightest bit of interest, she decided it's time to start playing games. Man, this chick really threw me off balance for nearly a week! But luckily, i quickly remembered my own words, decided to practice what i preach, and basically told her to not bother calling me again until she gets her act together. With that said, i think me and you both spend too much of our precious time (and precious it is, knowing how much we've achieved in our short lives) on flaky girls! I think i'm gonna start using Anti-Dump's method and basically not bother spending a moment of my time on any girl that isn't genuinely interested in me. That and i think fully eliminating desire is the key to getting women now. More on this later.
 

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1) Most women are b1tches.
2) All women have the potential in them to be b1tches.
3) All women love drama.
4) All women love games.
5) All women will flake on you.
6) All women will disrespect you.
7) All women will get off on any of the above 5. The more, the better.

You handled this well. She isn't worth your time, and you learned a valuable lesson.
 

Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.

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First, thanks for the response


Krassus, I don't have MSN messager but I would be happy to download it if you could send me a link... I have been searching for 20 mintues and it's hard to find, and I hate msn's website.


Porky, you are right, woman do have the potential to be *******.

My mom, as much as I love her, could be the crulest one of all if she wanted.

I am honestly handing this alot better that I would have given myself credit for.

In other words, she called me after I sent this letter the next day (BTW I could tell she was playing it by ear to see if i wanted to talk to her or not). she had a job interview for a news station and I was honestly anxious to see how she did. We talked about that for arounhd 5 mintues, and after that I told her I would call her back. That was Tuesday night I believe, and I haven't even thought about calling her sense.

I got my personal cell number changed (every 3 months, somehow it always leeks and I get cusotmers calling me at NIGHT every so often, that's when you know it's time to change numbers) and I sent her an email to let her know my new number in case she wanted to contact me, but that's the only contact I have had with her all week, and to be frank my life is alot more peaceful.


Krassus, what's up with this chick you were talking about? How long have you known her? What woul dyou rate her? are you having the same problems I am? I am really dealing with a very attractive drama queen who is used to getting whatever she wants, that seems to be my problem.
 

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backbreaker,


Here is a link to MSN messenger,

http://download.com.com/3120-20-0.html?qt=msn+messenger&tg=dl-2001

Scroll down, depending if you are using whatever version of Windows (or whatever OS.)



PM me (THIS APPLIES TO EVERYONE! :D ) with your MSN address as well, and I'll add you. (I don't like to post my msn address here.)
It'd be great to get more people from here onto my list, I only have two right now....




I think your letter was very good. I think I'll take parts of it if I ever need it LOL! (Though "mute" should be "moot." :) )

Best of luck to you my friend.
 

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BTW, there are a couple of thing I left out of that letter, like the fact that for a second, I honestly could not get rid of her. She was always calling wanting to see me. she practially spent the night over my h ouse (6am) and was virtually begging me to fvck her (talking about sex the entire night), but brinning that up would have been low, I just accecpted the fact that she is a flake and just deal with it.
 

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The fact that she's playing games means that she's intrested. Just continue on with your routine of being strict with her and she'll break eventually.

cheers
 

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Just wondering, but how is nexting someone being AFC?

How is not talking to someone in over a week being AFC?

What, just because I conversated with her on something that I actually did want to know about? The fact that I gave her my phone number via email in case she wanted to call?

Nexting someone doesn't mean stop talking to them, it means to stop talking to them until they are ready to play on your terms. Now when she is ready to play on my home turf, then she can call and can occupy my time. Me not giving her my phone number is taking away any future chance, not to mention the possibility of using her to get me with one of her friends, who are not shabby by any means.


What's more AFC is to pretend that I have no interest whatsoever in a blanent attempt to loose contact with her, when in actualitly I am not mad at her at all, I just dont' want to talk to her right now.
 

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She likes attention and you're giving her the attention.
You're her emotional tampon. I really dont see why it's so hard to see.
 

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Originally posted by backbreaker
I get a letter Sunday in my email account stating the following:

- All that we have ever been is friends
- I do care for you, but it is strictly on friendship terms.
- I don't know what to say because I can't even be sorry for not feeling an attraction toward you.
- ...you have to understand that it will always just be as a friend.
- ...if you can't be friends with me (if you are attracted to me) you also need to understand that if that's the case then... thats it.
- ...my ultimatum is to be friends and nothing more.
- I appreciate your friendship
LJBF x7.

Get the message yet? She likes the attention you give her. For her part, she thinks (and she has) clearly spelled out the terms of your relationship (FRIENDS). If you continue interacting, she will take it as read that you understand and accept that. You are responsible for your own feelings being at risk from here on in.

I think you have one-itis, this thread is hella long, as was that e-mail you sent. You should distance yourself from her to get over it, cut off contact.
 

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Originally posted by JJMcLure
LJBF x7.

Get the message yet? She likes the attention you give her. For her part, she thinks (and she has) clearly spelled out the terms of your relationship (FRIENDS). If you continue interacting, she will take it as read that you understand and accept that. You are responsible for your own feelings being at risk from here on in.

I think you have one-itis, this thread is hella long, as was that e-mail you sent. You should distance yourself from her to get over it, cut off contact.

you are correct, AND I NEXTED HER BECAUSE OF IT!

I don't see how hard it is for you to see it.
 
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