"Romantic Rivalry" ??

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There is NO doubt in my mind you are probably "relatively attractive" and your friend is HOT. There is no doubt in my mind about that. You don't have to show me your picture...simply give your measurements...high....and weight.
MAN you just won't give it UP.

I have even already told you that I look under 21. But you still keep harping on about my age being a factor. Guess what! It isn't! I wish it was! Then 21 year old boys might think twice before approaching me...

I can give you my measurements... but you could just not believe that, too!

I have described my "measurements" before. I am petite, and around 100 lbs.
 

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Latinoman said:
This reminds me of this guy I used to hang out with when I was in my early 20s. He had crushes on SEVERAL women. And all those women were hot. And he expected ME to not pay attention to ANY of those women.

Listen, you cannot "claim" every single man you find hot and have a crush on it. It is unfair to HIM and unfair to whoever woman he likes (especially if she happes to like you).
You are just being argumentative. Me and her meet tons of men all the time. I can indeed claim three of them, that I have had my eye on way before she came into the picture.

If for some twist of fate, one of my interests fell for her, and she for him, it really would be something I'd get over. However, I would expect that if that was NOT the case, they'd be off limits for "sport flirting" from her.
 

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iqqi said:
MAN you just won't give it UP.

I have even already told you that I look under 21. But you still keep harping on about my age being a factor. Guess what! It isn't! I wish it was! Then 21 year old boys might think twice before approaching me...

I can give you my measurements... but you could just not believe that, too!

I have described my "measurements" before. I am petite, and around 100 lbs.
Although, practically every women I have "dated" in the last 3 years have been over 5'6"...I have "dated" my share of petite women.

So...give the measurements away. And are you blonde, red or brunette or Latina (doubt that) or black?

I won't say a thing...I just trying to get a mental picture of you as the best way to understand what is happening to you (when your friend is around) is by seeing you and her. I cannot see any one of you...so the best I can do is "imagine" how both look.
 

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iqqi said:
You are just being argumentative. Me and her meet tons of men all the time.
This is a mature forum...therefore, I'm going to ask you a SERIOUS and MATURE question: When was the last time that you got laid? And when was the last time you were in a LTR?
 

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Latinoman said:
This is a mature forum...therefore, I'm going to ask you a SERIOUS and MATURE question: When was the last time that you got laid? And when was the last time you were in a LTR?
That is not a damn mature question!

I "got laid" a couple of weeks ago, and I could whenever I want. I have multiple "lay enthusiasts". I was in a LTR last year.

This is kind of fun, however. It's like an interview! INTERVIEW WITH AN IQQI.
 

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iqqi said:
That is not a damn mature question!

I "got laid" a couple of weeks ago, and I could whenever I want. I have multiple "lay enthusiasts". I was in a LTR last year.

This is kind of fun, however. It's like an interview! INTERVIEW WITH AN IQQI.
You created the thread and had questions. How can I help if I don't have any idea of who you are?


Why you hang out with considerably younger women? And why you try to hook up with men that maturity level is low? Were you shy growing up? Were you sheltered as a teenager?

You strike me as a young woman that CARE (legitimately) for others.
 

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this thread is attention wh0ring at its best.......why is THIS thread made in a Don Juan Seduction Forum for men

who cares about this girly drama? oh right, all the AFC's care that actually pushed this thread to 11 pages

once again, why does it matter what happens to a girl in a dating situation if THIS SITE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR MEN AND MEN ONLY
 

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Latinoman said:
You created the thread and had questions. How can I help if I don't have any idea of who you are?


Why you hang out with considerably younger women? And why you try to hook up with men that maturity level is low? Were you shy growing up? Were you sheltered as a teenager?

You strike me as a young woman that CARE (legitimately) for others.
I already answered this question of yours on page 6 or 7.

iqqi said:
I hang out with people of all ages. It is how I was raised. The girl in question IS young, but she is very mature in other ways, more so than many chicks my age that I grew up with.

As a child, my mother didn't treat me like a child. I was never "filtered", and hung out with her friends. Age ceased to mean much to me.

I like that about me, honestly.

And many people my age and older are just as "young and dumb" as a 20 year old.
 

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This is what I was talking about when I stressed how valuable it is to get more than one woman attracted to you in a given group, without either woman having a "claim" over you.

Now if this dude were to hang out with these two chicks with OTHER women in the group, I would be willing to bet that he could say eenie meenie miney moe and take home whichever one he wished.
 

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STR8UP said:
This is what I was talking about when I stressed how valuable it is to get more than one woman attracted to you in a given group, without either woman having a "claim" over you.

Now if this dude were to hang out with these two chicks with OTHER women in the group, I would be willing to bet that he could say eenie meenie miney moe and take home whichever one he wished.
That would be quite funny to see iqqi getting gamed like that. What you're saying is basically what happened from what I've read.
 

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I guess I tend to be a little more optimistic about people, where you say people need to be taken as a whole, I say people can grow. Especially young people.
Iqqi, people can and do grow, but you can't make them grow, nor can you predict what will make them grow or when.

Growth tends to happen when the discomfort inherent in change exceeds the discomfort of doing things the old way. This applies to drug addiction as well as being a competitive flirt. Right now, being a competitive flirt isn't hurting her too badly. Why should she stop?

If you make an effort to make it hurt, she'll probably blame you for the pain.

You don't necessarily have to dump her completely, but keeping her as your friend is setting yourself up for a world of heartache. Why do that to yourself?

Friends respect each other's crushes. If they want to trespass, they ask first.

You choose your friends. Choose them wisely.
 

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STR8UP said:
This is what I was talking about when I stressed how valuable it is to get more than one woman attracted to you in a given group, without either woman having a "claim" over you.

Now if this dude were to hang out with these two chicks with OTHER women in the group, I would be willing to bet that he could say eenie meenie miney moe and take home whichever one he wished.
He doesn't have to get involved in ANY drama by hanging with a group of woman. All he has to do is grab the telephone can call Iqqi's friend...and get laid. Then grab the telephone another day and call Iqqi...and get laid.

Why waste time hanging around in a circle of women full of drama? We already know what THAT has done to you.
 

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He doesn't have to get involved in ANY drama by hanging with a group of woman. All he has to do is grab the telephone can call Iqqi's friend...and get laid. Then grab the telephone another day and call Iqqi...and get laid.
Yeah, cuz I'm THAT easy AND naive.

I already stated how I will play this one out. Thanks for the advice, particularly Interceptor. I hope Rosemarie sticks around, she seems very intelligent. Thanks for the orchestra, Fingz. Talk about drama queens. :whistle:
 

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Rosemarie said:
Thanks for the armor, Interceptor! I'll probably need it.

Anyway, I disagree about whether this woman can injure Iqqi. She can, and pretty severely, too. Here's why.

Everyone has times when they must have people around them they can rely on, and for the most part, when those times hit, we look to our friends or significant other. This isn't a bad thing. The problem comes in when we value our relationships primarily on the amount of cost sunk into them.

A sunk cost is an investment that cannot be recovered. In Iqqi's case, her sunk cost is the amount of time she's spend hanging around with Snake Woman, but what you guys call "oneitis" is also a sunk cost. Time and energy spent mooning about some woman who doesn't even know you exist is a sunk cost. You can't get it back.

People are extremely reluctant to walk away from a sunk cost. We hate wasted effort, and when we're faced with it, two ways of thinking kick in. The first is an overoptimistic probability bias. This is a tendency to be unrealistically optimistic about the outcome of things we've already invested in, and the more we invest, the more optimistic we get. "I spent hours planning our first date! It has to work out." Nope. Sunk cost.

The second is the requisite of personal responsibility, in which we attempt to make good our mistakes, which in this case might just boil down to a reluctance to admit that we're wrong. "But we've gone out for so long! I'm sure I can change this one little thing about her." Nope. Sunk cost.

What's the difference between a sunk cost and an investment? Sometimes we don't know until the dust settles. We can't avoid sunk costs. What we can do is reduce the loss involved, which is only possible if we're willing to admit we screwed up and keep those two psychological tendencies in mind.

When someone does something repeatedly, assume that that's just what they do and decide whether or no you want to tolerate it. Sometimes it's harmless. Everyone has their quirks, but for things like flirting with other people's crushes, or a boyfriend's friends, any investment in that person must, from that point on, be considered a sunk cost. Throwing more time, money or effort at the problem will increase that sunk cost.

Let it go, because if someone does something consistently when everything is fine, guess what the odds are of them changing their behavior when the chips are down? Right. It's likely to get even worse. So guess what they're going to do when you need them most?

Let you down. It doesn't matter how much effort you've put into them, they will let you down. The sad thing is that almost anything else you might have done short of self-mutilation would have been a better use of the time.

People need to be taken as a whole. You can't just pick out one or two parts you like and figure you can work on the rest. That's a simultaneous application of optimistic probability bias and requisite of personal responsibility, and it's a waste of time.
Rosemarie, very interesting, but this persepctive is one of Weakness, not Strength.
One needs tremendous Emotional Strength, and Emotional RESOURCES to get away from the Ego, and Pride.

I see your premise, but again, I say, Iqqi cannot be 'hurt' by this woman.

Unless Iqqi has very little Self Esteem, and she fucntions on Ego and Pride.

Do you see the difference?

Self Esteem cannot be 'hurt' ior taken away.

Just as Ego can be inflated, it can also be deflated.
Living from the Ego premise, is living according to external stimuli.

Living by External Stuimuli means you leave Validation UP TO External STIMULI.

Living by Validation of EXTERNAL STUIMULI means you are extremely sucsesptible To VICTIM MENTALITY and SCARCITY Mindset.



Givng when you have ENOUGH Emotional RESOURCES means like having money in the bank which , if you have strong Personal Boundary, NO ONE can TAKE AWAY from YOU.
You own it. It's yours, and no on can touch it , unless YOU let them..
 

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Latinoman said:
Why waste time hanging around in a circle of women full of drama? We already know what THAT has done to you.
I don't hang around a circle of women full of drama, but I know you will never believe me.

Matter of fact I got invited to a party this weekend where it will likely be about a dozen women and three or four guys and I'm not really feelin it. I would cancel if it weren't for the fact that I am obligated to the host.

I don't know about you or anyone else around here but when I go out it's usually with a MIXED group. I don't meet as many new women that way, but I get hooked up exponentially MORE through friends of friends due to the competition dynamic.

Dude....seriously.....I usually sit home 6 nights per week, then one night I go out with my friends, male AND female. It's 2008, not 12,000 BC. Some people can pull this off these days.
 

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Rosemarie, very interesting, but this persepctive is one of Weakness, not Strength.
One needs tremendous Emotional Strength, and Emotional RESOURCES to get away from the Ego, and Pride.

I see your premise, but again, I say, Iqqi cannot be 'hurt' by this woman.

Unless Iqqi has very little Self Esteem, and she fucntions on Ego and Pride.

Do you see the difference?

Self Esteem cannot be 'hurt' ior taken away.

Just as Ego can be inflated, it can also be deflated.
Living from the Ego premise, is living according to external stimuli.

Living by External Stuimuli means you leave Validation UP TO External STIMULI.

Living by Validation of EXTERNAL STUIMULI means you are extremely sucsesptible To VICTIM MENTALITY and SCARCITY Mindset.



Givng when you have ENOUGH Emotional RESOURCES means like having money in the bank which , if you have strong Personal Boundary, NO ONE can TAKE AWAY from YOU.
You own it. It's yours, and no on can touch it , unless YOU let them..
Intercepter, good post. However, our egos, as men, can save us sometimes. Sometimes it's our egos, that keep up from putting up with disrespect from women, and giving in and becomes AFC's.
 

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Interceptor said:
Rosemarie, very interesting, but this persepctive is one of Weakness, not Strength.
One needs tremendous Emotional Strength, and Emotional RESOURCES to get away from the Ego, and Pride.

I see your premise, but again, I say, Iqqi cannot be 'hurt' by this woman.

Unless Iqqi has very little Self Esteem, and she fucntions on Ego and Pride.

Do you see the difference?

Self Esteem cannot be 'hurt' ior taken away.

Just as Ego can be inflated, it can also be deflated.
Living from the Ego premise, is living according to external stimuli.

Living by External Stuimuli means you leave Validation UP TO External STIMULI.

Living by Validation of EXTERNAL STUIMULI means you are extremely sucsesptible To VICTIM MENTALITY and SCARCITY Mindset.



Givng when you have ENOUGH Emotional RESOURCES means like having money in the bank which , if you have strong Personal Boundary, NO ONE can TAKE AWAY from YOU.
You own it. It's yours, and no on can touch it , unless YOU let them..

Interceptor, would you be willing to hand your car keys to a known car thief when the chop shop is just down the street?

That's what Iqqi is doing when she takes this woman around any man she likes.

I personally don't consider it a mark of strength to hang around destructive people, never mind calling them my friends. I'll deal with them when it's necessary, but I won't hand them my keys.
 

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Rosemarie said:
Interceptor, would you be willing to hand your car keys to a known car thief when the chop shop is just down the street?

That's what Iqqi is doing when she takes this woman around any man she likes.

I personally don't consider it a mark of strength to hang around destructive people, never mind calling them my friends. I'll deal with them when it's necessary, but I won't hand them my keys.
Good analogy.

However I believe INTERCEPTOR is correct when he says that she keeps getting her hand burned by touching the stove that is her friend. If you're aware that your friend will intentionally make a move to put her EGO out there ahead of her pals' interest than you really do deserve what you get.

I also buy what INTERCEPTOR is saying about the nature of the beast. iqqi's self esteem is not the one being questioned. Moreso, it's her attention grabbing buddy who is so desperate for limelight she'll stiletto any chance of iqqi getting into the mix.
 

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iqqi said:
I hope Rosemarie sticks around, she seems very intelligent.
Thanks, Iqqi, but I won't. What would be the point?

I spoke up to help a sister, so to speak, because I have good friends and I know how important they are. They have their faults, but those faults are silly rather than destructive, and we've had each other's backs for over a decade.

The impulse to form interdependent relationships isn't a weakness, nor is the compassion required to deal with the foibles of those we love. The potential for problems comes in when we start accommodating behavior that's flat-out destructive. Substance abuse is an obvious example, as are careless sex and untreated mental illness.

Competitive flirting is also destructive. It's an indication that something's badly wrong, possibly with her emotional development or maybe she's lying to you with her friendly behavior, I can't say for sure, but this just shouldn't be happening. You can't trust her, you can't rely on her to change unless she's miserably unhappy and seeking professional help, and being in her company when she's behaving this way doesn't reflect well on you.

I knew women like that in college. Their lives tended to be train wrecks.

Succumbing to the lure of sunk costs is a common error. It's a large part of what makes gambling so addictive. Sometimes just knowing that we're vulnerable to it can help us shake free.

Another thing to consider: A lot of destructive people try to get others to invest heavily in them up front, in hopes that they'll stick around due to the sunk costs fallacy. Those can be very difficult relationships to sever, but it's always worth it.
 
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