Rollercoaster women - beware !

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No, not all BPDs cut. Not all use drug/alcohol or sex everything that walks. Each case is different.

They all rage in some way...

There are high functioning and low functioning BPDs.

BPDs have a disregulation of the center of the brain that controls emotions, the limbic area. It is believed that this biological factor is reason why one female would become BPD, while another female under identical conditions would not become BPD.

Central to BPD is emotional instabitity.

My BPD ex-girlfriend calls me the "Devil." She also labels me crazy (got to love projection), but at the same time wants me to personal train her (I'm considered one of the best coaches for my sport). She in her mid-30s is currently 'hanging out 24/7" with a teenager.

My answer: No contact. No contact. The sex is not worth it.

They do live a sad existance, as they always feel alone. You can be empathic, but avoid their emotional vortex.

Despite being a very confidant and logical individual, spending a year with a BPD you really begin to question not only your confidence, but also your own sanity.
 

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Road Demon is right...no contact!!! You do get sucked in. You will start losing confidence. You will start acting AFC and worse. You will start mimicing some of their BPD traits. No Contact!!!
 

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OK -I get it ! NO CONTACT !!
I will write it on my Fridge in marker Pen ... NO CONTACT.!

Reconnection with THESE women is like an alcoholic looking to drink a bottle of whiskey but hoping for no hangover.
 

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Wow, I can't believe how long this thread is.

So she's a Cluster-B wack job. Big fvcking deal. Grow a pair, stop thinking about her, stop talking about her, stop allowing her to contact you IN ANY way and get on with your life. This must set the record for the longest paralysis by analysis to date.

jophil28 said:
Reconnection with THESE women is like an alcoholic looking to drink a bottle of whiskey but hoping for no hangover.
No, reconnection with THESE women is STUPID!

Dude no offense, but I am trying to ruffle your feathers enough to get you to realize that simply posting (aka rationalizing) about her IN ANY WAY is prolonging contact.

Why not just grieve whatever loss you perceive and MOVE FORWARD with your life?
 

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Hey Sinister- thanks for the brick to the side of the head. I plan to contact you for some understanding when my old MOm dies ...

HARSH !! BTW (What is "Cluster B" ?)
 

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it is tough to deal with a bpd girl. it really is. they up the atttraction level so much and so quickly that you get sucked in. they make you feel bad for them. then it is a roller coaster ride with great peaks and many valleys. sometimes they will stay on a peak for awhile and you think things finally are good and you rode out the last storm. then out of nowehere, seemingly, the flip again.

it is tough to deal with that cycle. everyone from the outside can see that you are in a badthing. ou should get out and alot of the time yuo can see the forest through the trees but dont know how to get out of thejungle. these bpd women slowly undermine your self esteem and you dont even realize it till you are in way too deep.

that being said, it does take a special kind of personality to put up with their crap. often these people are co-dependants. co-dependants are basically people who try to fix their partener and will hold no matter how rough the ride, as by fixing their partner they are fixing themselves. at some point the person who doesnt have BPD begins to suffer from the same attachment issues as the person with BPD. it is a process called getting a flea. where the person who isnt sick picks up a trait of the person who is simply by everyday contact. it is a process much the same as a person who lives in an area and picks up the local accent.

while you are right sinister. have some compassion man. jophil has been through hell and while he is out now. he still feels like he has one wing in the fire. lets support him and hope he doesnt go back. he is lucky his ex never got violent.
 

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drmeathead said:
...while you are right sinister. have some compassion man. jophil has been through hell and while he is out now. he still feels like he has one wing in the fire. lets support him and hope he doesnt go back. he is lucky his ex never got violent.
I'm with Sinistar. We could hope for the better and say that time heals all wounds but time alone does nothing. During that time the person needs to take action to bring themselves out of their state. Too often people spend their time stewing in self pitty in hopes that with time something will happen. Without their interaction and commitment to change nothing will happen. There's no reality, only perception and occasionally a kick in the teeth is the best way to clear the fog.
 

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i agree the kick in the ass on this one is necessary but with a situation like this, a little stick alot of carrot.
 

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Hi jophil28,

People with Cluster B Personality Disorders tend to act in Dramatic, Emotional and Erratic fashion. People with Cluster B disorders tend to have difficulty with impulsive behavior, they often violate social norms, and act out. They can be self-abusive and hostile to others.

Dr.Meathead has provided significant insight into the thread of BPDs...his responses were on the money.

Sinster and Francisco d'Anconia are being firm. Heed their advice.

DO NOT TRY TO FIGURE HER OUT! You will go mad. I know from experience.

Logic does not apply. DJ techniques will not help you get her back or control her.

No contact. No contact. Sex up other chicks to distract yourself.

cheers, rd
 

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Update-
I have had NO contact with her since early October.
I have not called or text or emailed her.
She has emailed me once and I have not opened it .

I suspect that she has moved on BUT she has a long history (more that 25 years) of broken relationships, long separations and then reconciliations. She is used to a life of turmoila and drama and conflict BUT claims it was all her ex's fault ( don't all women?) She and he EX H were broken up for more that half of their 10 year marriage. I know that she is repeating her patterns and I also know that I am still vulnerable should she contact me. I have NO previuos history of dealing with drama queens or chaotic women. Most women have treated me very well - i know how to do business with decent acting women. I feel in control mostly.
I post here to get some support to stay away from her, and to NOT answer her should she call me.
SHe is heartache on a stick.
She is "sweet and lovely", very pretty, passive and almost timid. Men are drawn to her by her mere lokks and presence . She just has to walk in a room and the moths are drawn to the flame.BUT she is unfaithful and dishonest too, devious and manipulative..
BPD without the violence and cutting. Always covert - always under the radar .

Every day gets a tad easier but this may take some time. I am dating a few other women casually but I am not a good candidate to enter another relationship yet!
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

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Hey Road Demon, you are ringing bells here.
Cluster B's act in Dramatic ,Emotional and Erratic ways ?? This sums her up .
They violate social norms ?? Yep!
Does dating your ex B/f(who gave her a ring) behind your husband's back fit that description.??
Does having an affair with another teacher after her husband leaves town to look for work in another town ?
How about dating me (and having regular sex) and still dating another guy without telling him about me.
How about her still living in a mansion with an rich older guy (who wanted to marry her) They split up three years ago but she is still there and having affairs on the side (one with me).

Erratic behaviour.(she said to me ) "Your are not the man for me " and a while later ," Marry me please "..


Yep- a wack job at OLympic level .. Too bad I did not see any of it coming until I was IN !
 

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BPD women are not stupid. They are masters of manipulation.

She is trying to draw you back in. They do know when something is good in their life. She requires stability, and you offer that.

BPD women lead a sad existance. Be emapathic, but do you really need to be sucked into that emotional vortex.

How can she enhance your life, other than sex? You can get sex from any NORMAL women.

I cut the BPD ex-gf of 15 months out of my life a few months ago. Yes, I lasted that long because I have a dominant personality and am a very logical individual. It still did quite a bit of damage to me. I CHOSE to to cut the BPD out of my life, and she was not pleased, as she attempted to devalue my reputation.

For the record I am on excellent terms with all of my 3 long term ex-girlfriends. I have healthy relationships with my ex-girlfriends, but NOT the BPD one. I even am on good terms with all the women I have sexed up, except for the BPD one.

"Schema Therapy" is the lastest more effective treatment for BPD. Google it for you own education.

IT IS NOT YOU. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG.

Be polite and superfical when she does talk to you. Don't get into real conversations about your life.

No Contact will let you heal.
 

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jophil28,

Ah...the great chameleon. They latch on and adapt to normal persons persona.

It's all about drama with them. They are used to chaos, most likely from childhood. They replicate it on their adult life. But their is a biological basis for their behavior as their is a disconnect in the limbic system, where emotions come froms...
 

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www.bpdcentral.com

stay the **** away from her. i am loaded right now anda good part of me wants to call my ex. i wont though. i and i think yuo fell for the image the project to get you in. not who they actually are. luckly my ex went back to the guy she swore off for nine months with me less than 3 weeks after i dropped her. that really opened my eyes. check out that site. stay in touvh
 

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drmeathead said:
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it is tough to deal with a bpd girl. it really is. they up the atttraction level so much and so quickly that you get sucked in. they make you feel bad for them. then it is a roller coaster ride with great peaks and many valleys. sometimes they will stay on a peak for awhile and you think things finally are good and you rode out the last storm. then out of nowehere, seemingly, the flip again.

it is tough to deal with that cycle. everyone from the outside can see that you are in a badthing. ou should get out and alot of the time yuo can see the forest through the trees but dont know how to get out of thejungle. these bpd women slowly undermine your self esteem and you dont even realize it till you are in way too deep.

that being said, it does take a special kind of personality to put up with their crap. often these people are co-dependants. co-dependants are basically people who try to fix their partener and will hold no matter how rough the ride, as by fixing their partner they are fixing themselves. at some point the person who doesnt have BPD begins to suffer from the same attachment issues as the person with BPD. it is a process called getting a flea. where the person who isnt sick picks up a trait of the person who is simply by everyday contact. it is a process much the same as a person who lives in an area and picks up the local accent.

while you are right sinister. have some compassion man. jophil has been through hell and while he is out now. he still feels like he has one wing in the fire. lets support him and hope he doesnt go back. he is lucky his ex never got violent.
My goal is not to be harsh rather to cause a pattern interrupt / context switch. When in relationships with women like this, it often takes something like that to finally break a guy out of the pattern of continually analysing and talking. Case in point, the two posts of jophil28's prior to this were yet again rationalizations and analyses. My belief is that he may construe this as healthy grief/grieving when in reality each new discusion regarding her is a form of extended contact. And that my friend borders on potentiall unhealthy if not interrupted.

In my recent past I was able to identify nearly every element of a HPD in a past relationship that failed miserably. I would go on and on trying to figure it out, figure her out, figure anything out. And finally a very good friend threw a lot bigger brick upside my head than I did to jophil28 a few posts back. He was a tremendously good friend, it wasn't easy for him to do. And literally, just days after he rather bluntly called me out I could feel myself letting go and healing up. And guess what, it went exactly hand in hand with absolute zero contact allowed and my conciously (at all times) preventing myself from talking about her to anyone. It worked and in the end I realized the only one I could blame was myself because if I had always respected myself and put myself first I would have walked after the first ridiculous game of hers and all those petty irrational arguments. HPD's, BPD's, NPD's - they all suck. But guess what, we're the man in all this and just simply dropping everyting thing about that past failed BS is the best medicine.

And jophil28, I hope you know buddy that I hope your dear old mom lives to have a long healthy live and see you connect with a good decent woman where you are the ALPHA in the relationship and she respects you, follows you and you find (or reconnect) with the rewards of leading in a relationship.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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hey man i am cool. it is just tough. pretty much everyone i was in contact with while dating this girl told me she was not good for me. they threw bricks at my head too. you just have to see it on your own terms. i am guessing others threw bricks at you too prior to that but you didnt see them as such.

i am glad you are over your ex. i am in no contact too. my biggest struggle is that i am really hurt that she moved on so quickly. i guess after all the **** i went through and tried to help her it would be nice to know she misses me. she misses me alright, so much she went right to her previous bf less that three weeks after we broke up.

i really have to try to stop talking to about her. it is tough. it has only been about 6 weeks for me. guys coming out of healthy relationships still think about exs in that time frame.
 

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man stay strong. i am in your boat too. you encurage me that you are NC for so long. i dont ever her though although her mom stays in an apartment in my building one floor up same hall from time to time.
 

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Ok, I hear you guys about no contact, no analysing, no figuring, no talking and no regrets.
This will be my last post about HER and there is one thing that does concern me a little. Down here (Australia) the summer vacation for teachers begins in about 10 days and schools break until late January.
She is a teacher and she has a habit of calling me during the first week of every end of term vacation. There are four breaks during the academic year. They are usually two weeks long. She gets lonely and has nothing to do during the breaks and this is when she gets crazy and all emotional.
I need to be 'on guard' during this coming summer vac.
I tell myself that she is a nutjob with several PDs and her BPD "acting out " is what nearly drove me to becoming a nutjob myself. This woman is an emotional vampire. ( I learnt most about her PDs on this board)
My final questions to you guys - give me some stories/examples about your experiences with these women so that if my Ex starts doing the same ****e then I can "lock on" to your stories and hit myself with a brick to stop myself meeting her "just for coffee" . I am OK now with no contact but, THIS woman can chip away at my defenses like NO other. I always was an ALPHA male in previous relationships - no problem, BUT this lady seems to be able to reduce me to some kind of wuss some times. I DO NOT GET IT.And I do not get her PULL on me.

Talk about the siren call. Remember that story about Ulysses and being roped to the ships mast ?
I am doing this one day at a time.

Thanks for all your advice and bricks.
 

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Joe and drm’

Thanks for the posts in this thread. I too am separated from a women who is described very much in detail in these threads, I could almost imagine her to be the same person!

Joe my partner was a teacher too, strange uhh’’, but I am in the UK. Still this reads so familiar so familiar indeed it is scary.


Please listen to what I have to say as for many others in here.

If you continue to waste time with this women trust me things will turn out bad for you!
They are called emotional vampires for a reason, they suck out your self respect/esteem and grow from it and as soon as your drained they move on leaving you a shell of your former self, not stronger but with issues of your own. Now don’t read to much into this atm, please read about a little extract of my experience and tag in all of yours also.

These women make you feel like a god a king, so much so I ended up marrying mine, even though there was many, many red flag’s. But they have way that just blows your world open and you cant help to fall for the spell.
But each month that passes slowly it gets harder, it gets worse, those issues start to show more and more until eventually, you find yourself almost to the lvl of the women you met. Depressed and your mind cant think of anything but the issues that your partner as created to mess with you due to problems of, 'What I call' needing attention.

My partner used to go on dates with men who wanted to screw her, I let her as I did not want to show jelousy I thought the phase would pass.
She told me there where just mates, I objected ofc but it means nothing (they will simply throw it back at you and make you out to be the one with issues, until you simply put up with it to prove a point a cirlce you cant win), they still do it and when they do it once they do it over and over again until they have about 5-6 SAP’s on there arm giving them attention.

They think black and white as put before.
They fear abandonment.
They normally have deep routed family problems stemming from a poor childhood (look at heather mills).
They cut, mine did.
They are normally depressed then normal, there is no trigger.
They will blame you for all there issues, eventually.
You will slowly see there mates change there attitude about you, until your slowly so sucked in your world resembles hell, with a partner and her friends projecting very negative stuff your way, due to what ever need for attention as been spun at your cost.

This Gets worse and becomes evident the MORE you stay with this type of women.

I considered myself to be trapped, trapped by my love for the perfect angel I had met, trapped by the devil women who was there who had slowly taken over and become the dominant force, like a vampire my energies sucked out and 'this thing' growing from it (seeming to keep pushing for it and relishing in the choas of it all), I cant explain it any better. This emotional turmoil and being married had a very bad effect. Alone I spent a lot of nights, whilst she entertained her attention needs, I put up with it wanting to believe the angel I married, not wanting to see what was in front of my eyes, that the women I was with was in fact nothing more then a man loving SLUT, sad but true. It made me want to end the pain of it (the best way was ......), if this is not manly then so what, we all feel! I am just simply stating truth.

This is your path if you stay on this course.

Her Ex- is probably very happy she is out of the picture, but I imagine there is some residue from this vampire.

I walked away from my partner 1 year ago today for the sake of my health and my mental well-being.

I am still effected and have issues in the form of trusting women, I don’t want to experience this ever again, so I sleep around and in truth I like this way I am. But I am scarred from this and I would expect you to be too, the more this goes on the more scarred you will become.


This is not a healthy situation to be in.

Listen to this story and others, these women are no good and will turn your world upside down, from heaven to hell, the point is how long can you put up being un-happy with a women who shows about as much solidarity as a jellyfish? You cant, so forget about her, which I know is not easy.

Best way is no contact at all, you have it pretty good, some others in this situation have kids and an house, i.e the ex boyfriend, spare a thought for this poor soul who committed his life to a women that was no good, this is you in a few years time.

Though you think you may help, trust me you wont, it will only drain you of your personality until what is left is no better then the thing you are seeing, that you don’t want to see due to love.

Cut it out and find something more healthy even if that means being alone, which tbh is a very great way to be, much better then the alternative which was to be with a women who will simply fu** you up!

What are you staying for or holding on for?

The truth in that question means there exists nothing that can be offered that you truly need, other then your own self respect and preservation, this is priority.

But what does not kill you makes you stronger.
Learn from it, there was a lessen to be learnt from this just like I learned the lesson too.
It us up-o you to translate that message.

GL.

From a man who is all too familiar with this sh**

Also i know some maybe reading this and saying i must have had issue's, i must have had to marry a women with so many red flags. But coming from a background of a loving mother and father and seeing a healthy relationship, my ideas of divorce and seperation was i did not want to be a divorcie, sadly that concept almost blow my world apart.

These women are very bad news.
And as put each point posted is almost a mirror image of the type of women i was married to.

It is good to see there are some very wise men on these boards who can see this before it gets worse, i just wished i was that knowledgable at the time, but hey!

One thing i noticed that is not present here.

It seems the more stornger you are and what some would call ALPHA, the more they stay and push until slowley that ALPHA is been changed to BETA then the sh** really hits the fan.
But being ALPHA is simply not an means to make this better, it is simply a challange for this women to break you!
This is a motivating factor and trust me there mental state they cant help to keep chipping away like an emotional vampire until your mental state is as screwed as theres, then they feel like they have proved something to themselves. It is very very messed up. It is relentless and it can be brutal! A True ALPHA would walk out on the sh** to start with, only a fool would put up with it! In truth.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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