Red-Pill Clarity and The Rationale Male Book

[FMCSMT]

I just finished "The Rationale Male" cover to cover and have had a few days to reflect on what I've learned, and found some confusing and somewhat conflicting (to myself internally) information that I hoping some of you could help me clear up, or give some insight to.


A little background of myself - 36 yrs old, fairly fit, financially successful, divorced 50/50 to 3 kids for almost 3 years now. After reading the book - I've definitely been a natural Alpha and explains a lot but do have Beta tendencies in new relationships today (no longer after reading that book). If you think I didn't keep my wife's respect for many years was because I didn't show here that I had options, you would be very wrong. She was beautiful and brought a lot to the table but, as many Betas would say, I truly don't know what happened. Put all of that aside and please help me understand the following:


Hypergamy - First time I've heard of this and makes a lot of sense. To be clear, would you agree that it is more of a perception, that the woman has, that she is "dating up" that makes her behave as she does?


In my case, and to the guys she went for and currently has (I only know because we do share children or she would have been "ghosted" - I believe it's termed?) are steep downgrades physically, emotionally, sexually desired than myself. So, that being said, the perception (as I imply) of hypergamy is that she is dating better than herself, rather than better than the guy she left (or leaving) for? Or does hypergamy more accurately describe her ideal that the "new" guy is better than the "old" guy, and so she makes the trade up?


If the latter is the case, then the women I have dated, including my now ex wife, are the exception. These guys they are choosing are not trade ups to myself and their behavior and actions have reflected so. Each of them have come back for more, even with their new guy's, but why? I don't really get that..


Here's my other internal conflict-


In the book it says that we are disposable. It repeats this and pours it on us more than once. I get that. And I get why it's a good problem to have too.


But it also says we are the "prize". And we need to be reminding her of that.


So which is it because I can't believe we are both disposable and a prize? If I could hear some dialog on that, I would be interested to learn mor on this as well.

 

[cola]

Simple Answer:
Generally when women perceive they are dating up, you get better behavior from them.
Your wife is dating these men less than yourself because it's all she can get and I guarantee you she has rethought that divorce more than once
..
assuming she is around 36, she now is a 36 year old single woman with 3 kids..
No man with status and good sense would want to lock that down.


Men are disposable but so are women..

Don't buy into the red pill too much
.. sure some of its true. Women aren't magical fluffy creatures that do no wrong .. most are evil ****s.

But a lot of the red pill stuff is extremism.

Think of women like a car.
if you learn how to drive and become good at it, it's a great tool, saves you time, is convenient and can be a great asset to your life.
If you are a untrained driver and don't know the rules of the road it's a 2 ton death trap
..

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I just finished "The Rationale Male" cover to cover and have had a few days to reflect on what I've learned, and found some confusing and somewhat conflicting (to myself internally) information that I hoping some of you could help me clear up, or give some insight to.


A little background of myself - 36 yrs old, fairly fit, financially successful, divorced 50/50 to 3 kids for almost 3 years now. After reading the book - I've definitely been a natural Alpha and explains a lot but do have Beta tendencies in new relationships today (no longer after reading that book). If you think I didn't keep my wife's respect for many years was because I didn't show here that I had options, you would be very wrong. She was beautiful and brought a lot to the table but, as many Betas would say, I truly don't know what happened. Put all of that aside and please help me understand the following:


Hypergamy - First time I've heard of this and makes a lot of sense. To be clear, would you agree that it is more of a perception, that the woman has, that she is "dating up" that makes her behave as she does?


In my case, and to the guys she went for and currently has (I only know because we do share children or she would have been "ghosted" - I believe it's termed?) are steep downgrades physically, emotionally, sexually desired than myself. So, that being said, the perception (as I imply) of hypergamy is that she is dating better than herself, rather than better than the guy she left (or leaving) for? Or does hypergamy more accurately describe her ideal that the "new" guy is better than the "old" guy, and so she makes the trade up?


If the latter is the case, then the women I have dated, including my now ex wife, are the exception. These guys they are choosing are not trade ups to myself and their behavior and actions have reflected so. Each of them have come back for more, even with their new guy's, but why? I don't really get that..


Here's my other internal conflict-


In the book it says that we are disposable. It repeats this and pours it on us more than once. I get that. And I get why it's a good problem to have too.


But it also says we are the "prize". And we need to be reminding her of that.


So which is it because I can't believe we are both disposable and a prize? If I could hear some dialog on that, I would be interested to learn mor on this as well.

I guess we are a disposable commodity on the market [the objective take] whilst we are to think of ourselves as the prize [the subjective take].

This reflects a split in modern thought between the body and the mind, the object and the subject. The subject divorced from the body can become delusional [I am the prize!], and the object divorced from the subject can become an ideology to which we subscribe.

So we have a red-pill ideology teaching us subjects we are the prize. Of course, like anything there is an element of truth running through it. The task is to sift the wheat from the chaff.

Undoubtedly, feminism has had a huge influence on our women and our culture. It is natural to see a reaction set in.

 

[El Payaso]

Men are disposable but so are women....

This is so far off from the truth.

Women are not disposable at all compared to men.

Society places more value on a woman's life than a man.

Men have more physical capabilities than women which is why men are sent off to die in wars and the women are left at home to take care of the home, kids or play support role.

It's also why in times of disaster, women and children are usually rescued first.

It's why men are encouraged to partake in "chivalrous" acts like walking on the road side of the sidewalk or giving your coat to a woman who doesn't have one.

You're a bouncer. Tell me how many female bouncers you see. Pretty much none because men are generally stronger than women. With that attribute, they are generally expected to defend and lay their lives down should the need arise.

It's not "red pill extremism", it's simply life.

 

[cola]

This is so far off from the truth.

Women are not disposable at all compared to men.

Society places more value on a woman's life than a man.

Men have more physical capabilities than women which is why men are sent off to die in wars and the women are left at home to take care of the home, kids or play support role.

It's also why in times of disaster, women and children are usually rescued first.

It's why men are encouraged to partake in "chivalrous" acts like walking on the road side of the sidewalk or giving your coat to a woman who doesn't have one.

You're a bouncer. Tell me how many female bouncers you see. Pretty much none because men are generally stronger than women. With that attribute, they are generally expected to defend and lay their lives down should the need arise.

It's not "red pill extremism", it's simply life.

As far as dating women are very disposable.. I dispose of and replace plates regularly.
And it's quite a few female bouncers ..

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

As far as dating women are very disposable.. I dispose of and replace plates regularly.
And it's quite a few female bouncers ..

I'll be honest, I never knew that female bouncers existed hahaha

 

[Young OG]

I'll be honest, I never knew that female bouncers existed hahaha

Same here. I've never seen one before. I honestly don't think I could take one seriously.

 

[cola]

I'll be honest, I never knew that female bouncers existed hahaha

The head of security at one of the biggest venues in my city is a chick..

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

The head of security at one of the biggest venues in my city is a chick..

Does she actually do the groundwork or is she just more or less you and your coworkers' supervisor?

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

In terms of biology, men are much more disposable than women.

Consider there are only 100 men and 100 women left on the face of the earth. 90% of those men could die in inter-tribal warfare. And you can still have the same amount of babies born to continue the human species.

Wipe out 90% of the women and the amount of babies drops dramatically. So, for perpetuation of the species, men are much more disposable.

And a cornerstone of red pill philosophy is that biology drives male/female behavior.

-Augustus-

 

[cola]

Does she actually do the groundwork or is she just more or less you and your coworkers' supervisor?

She isn't my supervisor i dont work there, but she does the groundwork mostly. Also in today's society you want a female bouncer to pat down women for protection against sexual harassment
.. so she does that as well.

 

[guru1000]

Weak men are disposable. Leaders of men are indispensable for DNA and survival.

Be the Prize = Be the Latter

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

She isn't my supervisor i dont work there, but she does the groundwork mostly. Also in today's society you want a female bouncer to pat down women for protection against sexual harassment
.. so she does that as well.

Every sentence here is blowing my mind. I never knew that women go to strip clubs too outside of strippers

 

[hockeyfreak79]

@ImTheDoubleGreatest!
In Texas all woman must be escorted by men at strip clubs. I don't know if that's a state or club "rule". I'm sure your buddy BNeil would know the answer to that.....

@FMCSMT
First off great start on reading "TRM". Take what you want and learn from it. That's has to be my number 1 thing that boggles my mind. Many many guys come here and just don't learn a god damn thing. Years later they are posting issues and you wonder if they learned anything at all. It's really not rocket science. A lot of guys get mixed up in the mental masterbation. Keep it simple, not stupid.

As for the ex wf you should give zero fvcks what she's up to. Now since you do have 3 kids I totally understand that you don't want some crazy dude around your kids. Now that part I understand. That's the only part you should really care about.

I don't care how hot she is or how much $$ she makes. With 3 kids no doubt her body shows it. The only guys she is getting any sort of attention from right now is the desperate guys with zero options and they might even be pumping & dumping her.

Side note: You are 36 and still relatively fit as you mentioned. You don't have to be bang woman your age. As for being the "prize" you don't literally remind them of it through words. It's the way you act and carry yourself through action. It's relative to keeping frame.

 

[cola]

Every sentence here is blowing my mind. I never knew that women go to strip clubs too outside of strippers

it's not a strip club it's a venue for musician's

 

[Desdinova]

So which is it because I can't believe we are both disposable and a prize?

These are both mindsets. A woman who's had lots of c0ck will view men as disposable, because feminism has empowered her to believe that she can not only get a better man, but live successfully independent of men. A woman who's had little to no c0ck has no abundance mentality because she hasn't lived it.

Being "the prize" is also a mindset, but it's for us men. When we believe we are the prize, we don't put up with bull5hit from women. We dump them and move on because a good man deserves a good woman. A good man also KNOWS that he can get another woman, because other women want him or a man like him.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

it's not a strip club it's a venue for musician's

Ok that makes a hella lot more sense then

 

[FMCSMT]

Zero effs are given about the ex wife. Believe me she's known that since the beginning of the divorce. Oddly, the more I pull away (eliminated all exchanges, and more things since I don't have to see her) she tries to get closer and get my attention more. The NC I have with her is only comms are about kids and they are very short reponses to her several paragraph long emails.

For the record, (hate talking about her because she's getting attention/energy) she is almost 38 now, makes very little, actually heavily in debt from litigating with me (as Alpha, I absolutely have custody, joint, 50/50 and I still wear the pants when it comes to family business and every coach, teacher, therapist for the kids, and anyone else knows it). She's been upside down for a while now. She has a beautiful face but has put on about 30 lbs or so since separation. Thin build type with that dark skin tone, brunette, maybe 5'7"? Babies did do a toll on her body even when she was thinner.

You're right. The guy had zero options and desperate, going through a divorce himself, very over weight and unattractive but a nice guy according to her.

Enough about her though. I have a hard time (even in her case) why low(er) value women seem to not care about the high value guy suddenly.

I want to admit here, I am not the nicest guy in the world. I can be nice, I am a dad so I have to be, but I stand my ground when put on the spot by a female, and may have shamed them a few times. Whatever. They shouldn't have gone so far out of bounds with their attacks.

I get the hypergamy mindset. But I do believe there is a post wall mind set that has evolved differently. In a way I am unclear of...

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

These are both mindsets. A woman who's had lots of c0ck will view men as disposable, because feminism has empowered her to believe that she can not only get a better man, but live successfully independent of men. A woman who's had little to no c0ck has no abundance mentality because she hasn't lived it.

Being "the prize" is also a mindset, but it's for us men. When we believe we are the prize, we don't put up with bull5hit from women. We dump them and move on because a good man deserves a good woman. A good man also KNOWS that he can get another woman, because other women want him or a man like him.

Culturally, this is disastrous. It pits men and women against each-other. That would lead to chaos... but then I guess that is the red-pill as it believes we live in a post-apocalyptic world.

Now the whole middle-class bourgeois order may have collapsed [the Disney world], but the 'underground', of the red-pill, seems to me like something of a reverse engineering - if we can not have cosmos, we will have chaos.

But this is not necessarily so. Perhaps it has always been the task of an individual man to create cosmos out of chaos. This is teleology as opposed to representation.

 

[Desdinova]

Culturally, this is disastrous.

You are correct, it is disastrous. However, it's the only way for men to attract women at all, let alone get a woman who hasn't rode the c0ck carousel. If femanism wasn't in the picture, the landscape of women would be better and it would be the men who are picky with which woman they date. What we have instead is picky women and desperate men who will take any pvssy that comes their way, even if it's a stretched out bytchy pvssy.