Red pill and the future!

[CMNILS87]

I had a fun weekend in the twin cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul) this weekend hanging with friends and a few family members. I have only been reading up on rational male and red pill since mid-December and my eyes are opened and it's actually quite frightening. It's scares me that I know this information now, but also the fact that I will never view "marriage the same".

I had game night with a bunch of friends and everyone was married or had LTR girlfriends. 3 married couples and 2 LTR couples. After reading red pill and Rollo T, all dynamics of listening to married couples bicker and harp back and forth at each other was quite interesting. I'm the one friend that's career driven and just hasn't found the "right girl" so to say according to my friends.

Right off the bat when hanging with my closest friend, he hung around his wife supplicating like a vulture. "You ok Hun?" "You good Hun?" And from there it just got worse. I told my bud, "Hey, lets go out for a walk and just shoot the **** and grab a beer". He runs off and alerts said spouse of adventure and asks if it's ok to go out for a bit, not tell her. I was literally like wtf? We'll be gone a couple hours, I'm sure she'll be ok. Asking permission to hangout when he's a grown ass man at 27. In the back of my mind I'm sitting there asking myself, "is this what marriage is really like?" Someone else basically rules my life? Don't get her mad, because otherwise what?

From there it went downhill. Don't get me wrong, I had fun being a ****y son of a ***** being sarcastic all night with everyone, but that red pill was poking me deep in the back of my brain making me feel like something wasn't right. From the "I have him trained well", to the "we don't have time to do that or money" speeches. That red pill was literally crushing my brain. Not only were the women raised to treat the men like this, but I watched as the men acted at their wives beck and call and rolled over and took all verbal punishment in stride and didn't think much about. Just like this is the way it is and how it has to be without even thinking about why it is that way. I saw more respect from the girlfriends than the wives.

One of my best buds was talking about finances and how both of them are looking for new jobs, but the kicker is they're gonna try for a baby in the next year and they don't have anything squared away for savings. I'm sitting there thinking why on gods green earth would you do this? Because so and so wants a baby and she has baby fever. Everyone's a puppet to the feminist imperative and I'll be damned if I become a man Slave for resources.


Is this what marriage is like these days? Because if it is, I don't want anything to do with it. A girl might show affection in a marriage, but what I've seen lately is that a man is another source of income and if you give him scraps and sex he'll stay loyal forever without ever going out of line. I want respect and a woman to follow my lead, if that means a long term girlfriend and shared parenting in my late 30's so be it. The red pill is hard to swallow, but realizing what's going on now and protecting myself will be ahard fought battle against not just society, but my family that wants me to marry and kids to come soon.

 

[LiveYourDream]

The red pill is hard to swallow, but realizing what's going on now and protecting myself will be a hard fought battle against not just society, but my family that wants me to marry and kids to come soon.

The good news is: it is your life and you get to do it however you want.

Do what makes you happy and brings you fulfillment. Those that truly love you, will be happy, to see you happy & fulfilled.

 

[Desdinova]

When you start taking it all in, you start seeing it everywhere. Then you start becoming a prophet. You can almost literally forecast the future of people's relationships.

I see things every day that make me shake my head. Men fetching purses, men giving money to poor helpless women at the bar, men bragging about their girlfriend as if they've caught a golden fish, and the list becomes endless. When you recognize the traits of the blue pill man and eliminate them, the women become more attracted to you.

 

[Tenacity]

The issue here (from my experience with dealing women) is that the red pill related behavior works to attract them, but the engagement/relationship then turns into this seemingly CONSTANT procedure on her behalf to "change you" into what would be identified as more blue pill.

This is the way the game works today, I will break it down from beginning to end:

- You start off blue pill in grade school/early college based on what your "mother", the world and church taught you in relation to how to treat women. You end up getting no women at all during this time period with a significant amount of "let's just be friends" type of shyt.

- You get frustrated when you are following everything the world, your church and your mother taught you about women because you see them going off with thugs or other men who are not doing/following the mantra set out by the world, your church and your mother.

- You reach out to other guys to try and get some sort of understanding on what the fvck is going on here, then you stumble upon something called The Manosphere which breaks all of the shyt down for you.

- You get angry now that you understand the true nature of women. You adjust your personality, approach and outlook to where now you are getting consistent dates and a.ss, more dates and a.ss than you EVER gotten before in your life. You develop into a pseudo player. Even though you are now dating/fvcking more women than ever, you are still internally ANGRY with them over the bullshyt they put you through during grade school/early college.

- In the midst of dating/fvcking different women, you notice that OVER TIME, a lot of your internal anger towards them starts to decrease. You also notice that women are becoming more nicer to you, starting to do things for you, etc.

- You begin meeting chicks who now start to try to change you into their ideal "LTR" guy, through consistently nit-picking, nagging, or doing their emotional pouting sessions so you can stop acting more like a "jerk" and more like a "nice guy". This is when they start trying to turn you from the red pill behavior (which attracted them to you) to the blue pill behavior (which they now establish as requirement to keep them).

- Next thing you know you are married, with two kids, and completely blue pill. You might be happily ever after, or you might not be. You might get divorced, or you might not get divorced. But one thing is for sure, you have reverted (in some ways) BACK to the original blue pill guy that women would not touch with a 10 foot pole during grade school/early college.

 

[raider87]

men bragging about their girlfriend as if they've caught a golden fish

This is the one I shake my head at the most. I see men bragging on social media saying how lucky they are to have their girlfriend. Lucky! Terrible mindset.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I have a white knight ****face like that in my workplace, he cringes every time I say something and tells me how lucky he is and how happy he is to be with a 'beautiful girl'. I tell him my wife is ugly and show off her pics (she's a 9 by western standards), I can just see this guy balling his fists every time I do that, he is hideously obese and I guarantee his girlfriend is too.

 

[Colossus]

Is this what marriage is like these days? Because if it is, I don't want anything to do with it. A girl might show affection in a marriage, but what I've seen lately is that a man is another source of income and if you give him scraps and sex he'll stay loyal forever without ever going out of line. I want respect and a woman to follow my lead, if that means a long term girlfriend and shared parenting in my late 30's so be it. The red pill is hard to swallow, but realizing what's going on now and protecting myself will be a hard fought battle against not just society, but my family that wants me to marry and kids to come soon.

Well I don't think marriages like your buddy's are anything new.

Personally I think it's an insidious process that is three-fold:

1. These guys choose from poor stock. They marry the wrong personalities with the wrong beliefs about marriage, and idealistically hope for the best. Even if they did know how to lead, you cant lead someone who doesnt want to be lead.

2. The men themselves have no balls or testicular stamina to maintain a positive frame day-in, day-out, for years on end. Marriage is a LONG game. You cant neg or C&F your way through every problem. You cant subtly threaten to leave or find someone else whenever you are displeased. Women "win" marriages through attrition, not overt dominance. They chip away at a man emotionally, day-in and day-out. Cowed men learn to fear their wives emotional reactions, and they start supplicating to her just to keep the peace. Miserable wife = miserable life. If you are sharing a house and a life with a woman that is brooding, moping, or volatile then guess what buddy your life is going to suck big time, and most men will do whatever it takes just to avoid rocking the boat. That combined with some outdated fairy-tale beliefs about how they should treat women is the perfect recipe for beta misery.

3. MOST women have an agenda that involves marriage and children, in some iteration. They want their house and they want their babies and they will get it one way or another. Once a woman senses a leniency in her man, she will usually fill that power void and start manipulating him in this way to get what she wants. Shaming, nagging, score-keeping, using sex as a bargaining tool, and various other passive-aggressive traits than men are just not adept at dealing with. I really believe this nature is in ALL females (some much more than others), it just has to be herded and corralled or she will run roughshod all over you and your life. You cannot leave this huge void of leadership in a relationship (esp. marriage, where there is no easy way out) and expect things just to roll merrily along. Nature abhors a vacuum.

Combine all of the above and you have modern marriage hell. And to top it all off, if it should end in divorce, you can gleefully look forward to bending over and taking it up the shorts by the family courts. Because believe me, she is not going to have on ounce of compassion for you, especially once she has her children. You are simply a resource-generator.



All that said, I dont think marriage in itself bad. In fact it can be quite good. The #1 thing you can do to ensure you do not end up in beta marriage hell is to choose the right woman. You have to start with good stock---a woman who is naturally submissive, has few or no past sexual partners, doesnt have some cloned feminized ideals about modern marital ekwaallllity, and one who generally likes and respects men.

If you can get that far, you have tilted the equation dramatically towards the positive. But that's still just the beginning.

 

[Tenacity]

Colossus,

Let me ask you some questions, do you mind?

1. These guys choose from poor stock. They marry the wrong personalities with the wrong beliefs about marriage, and idealistically hope for the best. Even if they did know how to lead, you cant lead someone who doesnt want to be lead.

Okay, but then you said this.........

Shaming, nagging, score-keeping, using sex as a bargaining tool, and various other passive-aggressive traits than men are just not adept at dealing with. I really believe this nature is in ALL females (some much more than others), it just has to be herded and corralled or she will run roughshod all over you and your life.

And your definition of herding this behavior I assume is the following.......

2. The men themselves have no balls or testicular stamina to maintain a positive frame day-in, day-out, for years on end.

Can you tell me what MAN has all of this time to maintain a fvcking frame 24/7 and 365 days a year? After having to fight the world to bring in income, you have to come home and maintain some super, duper advanced "control" tactics over your woman because if you refuse to do so, she will fvck your shyt up?

You refer to this process as herding and the only type of creature I know of that needs to be herded, is a god damn animal. So by your own admission, women are like fvcking animals and it's a man's job to be a zookeeper to keep this bytch under control? Is that right? I have to keep a grown a.ss ADULT woman under control because the dumb bytch can't control herself?

- Who the FVCK has all of this time on their hands to manage all of this number one?

- Then two, can you please tell me WHAT IS THE FVCKIN MOTIVATION to manage it? I mean after all, you said that......

And to top it all off, if it should end in divorce, you can gleefully look forward to bending over and taking it up the shorts by the family courts. Because believe me, she is not going to have on ounce of compassion for you, especially once she has her children. You are simply a resource-generator.

Which is exactly what I've been saying since day one on this forum, in that women just see us as some sort of appliance and once they have received what they needed, they discard.

So knowing all of this shyt, can you PLEASE explain to me what is the fvcking point of a man getting married in the first place? What is he gaining out of it other than more stress, headaches, and bullshyt to manage?

All that said, I dont think marriage in itself bad. In fact it can be quite good. The #1 thing you can do to ensure you do not end up in beta marriage hell is to choose the right woman. You have to start with good stock---a woman who is naturally submissive, has few or no past sexual partners, doesnt have some cloned feminized ideals about modern marital ekwaallllity, and one who generally likes and respects men.

WTF? So the "good quality woman" is one who is submissive, hasn't fvcked around that much, isn't a feminist, and who respects men? Do you not realize that women can FAKE every single one of these traits?

- Women are always submissive and on their best behavior at the beginning. The bullshyt doesn't usually start until you get into the middle of the relationship.

- Every woman claims she has only fvcked 1 - 3 guys in her lifetime, but 99.99% of them are fvcking lying.

- Every woman tries to hide the "you go girl" feminist shyt upfront, again, you won't see it until you are in the middle of the relationship OR after you are married.

Keep it real with me man, be 100% honest with me and admit...there's absolutely NOTHING we as men can do to STOP the bullshyt that we would deal with from women in marriage or through the Family Court. You can do as much "filtering" upfront as you want to, at any time she can flip on your a.ss or at anytime you can realize that she has been phony this entire time.

Admit that shyt man instead of this crap about learning how to "herd" your woman 24/7, as if we as men are fvcking zoo keepers or some shyt. I'm not a god damn zoo keeper.

 

[BeExcellent]

What Colossus says is very true. For MOST women. Men who really want a LTR or to marry must choose wisely. Wanting to marry or have an LTR is not beta in and of itself. It should be quite the opposite. But this means the man must be prepared to lead the relationship and many men are not prepared for that, even if they can attract women. Attraction and leadership are two different things. Leadership is as hard to find in a man (from a woman's viewpoint) as a "good" girl (as described by Colossus) is for a man to find in a woman.

Many men are not consciously looking for the "good" girl as they concentrate on getting laid, which jades men over time, and many woman do not want leaders and they would rather be the leader themselves. And so you end up with marriages like your buddies'. When men abdicate the leadership role in relationship, women fill the vacuum. As Colossus notes, nature abhors a vacuum. The blue pill men give up and settle for Ms. Right Here instead of seeking Ms. Right.

There is also a perverse thing that happens over time. Over time more men gain leadership qualities, but less "good" women (again using Colossus's definition) exist in the marketplace. So this makes finding a "good" woman that much harder.

Many men get into the game of seeking sex first and then worry about actual compatibility later (or never think too much about it at all) or "end up" in a marriage or LTR. I have friends too like the couples described above. This is the classic mantra of many women who give up sex to get commitment (which on the back end logically explains withholding the sex if they now have the commitment - which is horrible but a trap many guys fall into.)

I find the inability for a woman to respect the man to be ugly. For this reason I think it is actually better if a man really wants to marry and so forth that he learns first to lead in his own life and then he evaluate the women he is seeing for compatibility first and the sex part comes later - after he has learned whether or not the woman is actually worthy of him - worthy of sex with him. This allows him to be objective and think long game. It also sets up emotional investment on the part of both man and woman, and leads to a healthy dynamic from which a good marriage can be built. This is easiest and best to do in youth for both parties. But these values and priorities are eroding faster than ever in western cultures.

It does mean you don't try out the sex right away, which I suppose has its risks from a PUA perspective (what if she is bad in bed etc.) The thing is you'll still be able to feel the chemistry if it is there. And if it is there then once the woman you decide you want to choose has emotionally invested in you, and is willing to submit to you, then you can lead her and teach her and create in her the lover you want, customized for you and your desires. A submissive woman will want to do this for you, will welcome it, and she will experience joy in giving to you and receiving from you.

Few men have the perspective and the patience to take this road. If you are older and divorced you then have some added things to consider. Obviously nobody can regain their virginity nor their innocence of youth, and the older people are generally the more partners they have had. So for people who are older and starting again, where often both the men and women already have children, all the same things apply, but instead of looking for a virgin a man should either seek out a much younger woman who is virgin/low mileage or seek out the right attitude or perspective in his dating prospects if he prefers someone closer to him in age and life experience according to his preferences. The right attitude is what will indicate a "good" girl who is on the market a second time. Things like emotional stability, self-reliance (meaning the ability to comfortably take care of her obligations without needing a male resource generator), a feminine nature, a like and respect for men, and a willingness to give to a man all are indicators of this "good" girl.

This is a different set of criteria than of the people (men or women) who want sex first, ask questions later group is looking for.

 

[Tenacity]

.........But this means the man must be prepared to lead the relationship and many men are not prepared for that, even if they can attract women. Attraction and leadership are two different things. Leadership is as hard to find in a man (from a woman's viewpoint) as a "good" girl (as described by Colossus) is for a man to find in a woman.

Dude this makes no sense whatsoever.

- Number one, Colossus definition of "the good girl" isn't even a girl that exists. What girl has only fvcked 1 - 3 dudes max in her lifetime and she's over the age of 25? Maybe 0.1% of the population of women? Yeah, that's so RARE it doesn't exist.

- Number two, I will restate my question, why do I have to "herd" a woman? A man being a leader is one thing if we are talking about vision, protecting the family and making sure everything gets provided for. Colossus is referring to a woman's ATTITUDE needed to be "herded".

Look, I mainly date black women and a recurring statement that black women make is, "I need a man that can handle me." Why do I need to handle you? Why can't you handle your god damn self? Is this the fvcking zoo?

You guys are a damn trip. You talk about how men need to develop these super, duper, advanced "control" tactics so they can be this high quality male or some shyt....without realizing just how stupid the premise is because the first question you ought to be asking is, "WHY in the fvck do I need to control an adult, when an adult should be capable of controlling themselves?"

 

[BeExcellent]

Nothing whatsoever to do with control. You don't control another adult. You lead. Enormous difference. A woman who is seeking leadership will submit to a leader whom she trusts of her own choice. She will defer to the man. What that implies is that the man must be someone capable of leadership in the relationship, otherwise to what will she defer? A wishy-washy, flim-flammy indecisive man? Nope.

Flakiness is often a reflection of vacillation or indecision by the man. It feels unsteady to the woman, like she cannot trust him or what he represents. The "good" girls get this vibe and they are gone. They have other options. I could care less what color they are.

"Can you handle me?" is often code for "Can I trust you to lead me?" with a girl worth having as a LTR or wife. Nothing to do with control. Everything to do with choice.

It takes trust to defer to the guidance and leadership of another. It takes respect. From trust and respect grow real love.

 

[Tenacity]

Nothing whatsoever to do with control. You don't control another adult. You lead. Enormous difference. A woman who is seeking leadership will submit to a leader whom she trusts of her own choice. She will defer to the man. What that implies is that the man must be someone capable of leadership in the relationship, otherwise to what will she defer? A wishy-washy, flim-flammy indecisive man? Nope.

Okay but let me give you the honest truth here, a significant percentage (might be well over 50% right now) of women in America are partnered up/hooked up with men who are not in any type of leadership role. A lot of women are making more money than their guy, have more connections, more education, etc., to where a lot of the decisions within the relationship itself have become 60/40, 70/30, or 80/20 in FAVOR of the woman, where SHE is the one "leading" the household in terms of vision, decision-making, etc. Again, this isn't my opinion, all you have to do is look up various studies that are conducted on this changing cultural dynamic.

You are correct in that any person in a leadership role needs to be qualified for it, but we are no longer in 1950 and a significant percentage of women in America (I would say maybe the majority at this point) are NOT looking for a patriarchal structure where a man "leads" them so they can submit to his leadership.

Flakiness is often a reflection of vacillation or indecision by the man. It feels unsteady to the woman, like she cannot trust him or what he represents. The "good" girls get this vibe and they are gone. They have other options. I could care less what color they are.

This is another flat out untrue statement. Have you ever been on an online dating site? 70% of the women there are complete FLAKES. That has nothing to do with a man whatsoever and more to do with the bullshyt games that the women are playing in general.

Also you mention that "color or race" plays no difference in the management of the woman in particular, again, you are either out of touch or flat out lying for some reason? Every man who has dated multiple types of women, such as white women, black women, latino and asian women, will tell you that Asian women are usually vastly different in attitude, personality, traditional values and more than white, black and latino women. I'm not saying all white, black and latino women are fvcked up, but there is a major difference between them and Asian women.

Furthermore, dating a black woman (for the most part) is going to be a different level of management than dating most white women. The black community is a 100% matriarchy right now and most black women DID NOT grow up with a Father in her life, thus, they have no true understanding of masculinity. In the MAJORITY of relationship dynamics today in the black community, the BLACK WOMAN is the leader.

The white community is not a 100% matriarchy, you still have some level of patriarchy foundation in the white community and you do NOT have the situation of having most white women not growing up with their Fathers. Thus, there are going to be behavioral differences with dating a white woman v.s. dating a black woman.

Again, these aren't my opinions, these are facts.

"Can you handle me?" is often code for "Can I trust you to lead me?" with a girl worth having as a LTR or wife. Nothing to do with control. Everything to do with choice.

I'll ask you like I asked Legend (which he never answered BTW), have you EVER dated black women? When a black woman says she is looking for a black man who can "handle her", she is NOT talking about some god damn leadership role that resembles a 1950's patriarchal household.

When she says, "I need a (n-word) that can handle me..." what she is saying is:

- I need a man that can put up with my fvcked up attitude and not leave me
- I need a man that can put up with my crazy family and not leave me
- I need a man that won't put too much pressure on me to change who I am
- I need a man that has no issue with allowing me to be the Queen and run this shyt
- I need a man that can deal with a strong black bytch, who is VERY opinionated, and not leave me

That's what she is referring to when she makes that statement.

 

[Colossus]

Can you tell me what MAN has all of this time to maintain a fvcking frame 24/7 and 365 days a year? After having to fight the world to bring in income, you have to come home and maintain some super, duper advanced "control" tactics over your woman because if you refuse to do so, she will fvck your shyt up?

You refer to this process as herding and the only type of creature I know of that needs to be herded, is a god damn animal. So by your own admission, women are like fvcking animals and it's a man's job to be a zookeeper to keep this bytch under control? Is that right? I have to keep a grown a.ss ADULT woman under control because the dumb bytch can't control herself?

- Who the FVCK has all of this time on their hands to manage all of this number one?

- Then two, can you please tell me WHAT IS THE FVCKIN MOTIVATION to manage it? I mean after all, you said that......

Ok first of all, it shouldnt take all of your time. If it does you are doing it wrong, or you just chose the wrong chick. It's more of a PRN (as needed) thing. Some of it is proactive, some of it is reactive, but really it's more of an awareness thing of when to say NO, when to let it go, hold 'em, fold 'em, all that.

Which is exactly what I've been saying since day one on this forum, in that women just see us as some sort of appliance and once they have received what they needed, they discard.

So knowing all of this shyt, can you PLEASE explain to me what is the fvcking point of a man getting married in the first place? What is he gaining out of it other than more stress, headaches, and bullshyt to manage?

Well the benefits have to outweigh the risks. When they do it's nothing you have to analyze, it's just self-evident. Otherwise you're right, there is no point.

WTF? So the "good quality woman" is one who is submissive, hasn't fvcked around that much, isn't a feminist, and who respects men? Do you not realize that women can FAKE every single one of these traits?

- Women are always submissive and on their best behavior at the beginning. The bullshyt doesn't usually start until you get into the middle of the relationship.

- Every woman claims she has only fvcked 1 - 3 guys in her lifetime, but 99.99% of them are fvcking lying.

- Every woman tries to hide the "you go girl" feminist shyt upfront, again, you won't see it until you are in the middle of the relationship OR after you are married.

Keep it real with me man, be 100% honest with me and admit...there's absolutely NOTHING we as men can do to STOP the bullshyt that we would deal with from women in marriage or through the Family Court. You can do as much "filtering" upfront as you want to, at any time she can flip on your a.ss or at anytime you can realize that she has been phony this entire time.

Admit that shyt man instead of this crap about learning how to "herd" your woman 24/7, as if we as men are fvcking zoo keepers or some shyt. I'm not a god damn zoo keeper.

I think you are taking my points out of context. It's not a 24/7 job. I'm not a rancher over here, herding my wife to and fro. For the most part being married---for me---is fairly low maintenance. My whole point is you just need to be vigilant even after you have found a "good one". Because they are still females, and you cant just sit back on your laurels and say "Welp, I did it, I won the game of women and now I'm gonna sit back and get my d!ck sucked all day and forget everything Ive learned." All I'm saying is you gotta be comfortable making decisions in both of your best interests, know when to say no, when to say enough, and when to just let something slide because it's not worth making into a thing. This is 100x easier to do when you have a woman that isnt fighting you every step of the way. It's a personality thing. You'll know when you've found one.

Unfortunately I dont have some sort of patent on how to find them, and I realize the odds arent very good. But I can tell you a few things:

-She probably wont be the hottest girl on the block, or the hottest one you've dated. As a general rule the hotter they are the more risk you have of her being a nutcase or a timebomb. I just dont trust "hot" women. They have too much opportunity and too many entitlement problems. A lot of guys still dont grasp this. "Dat ass, tho..."

-The sweet spot is probably around 24-27. Much younger and they are flakes, older and they have too much baggage.

-Pay close attention to her mom and how her mom treats her dad. Apples dont fall far from the tree.


And just an observation here but I think you have some anger issues. Everything we say makes you mad, lol.

 

[Colossus]

Okay but let me give you the honest truth here, a significant percentage (might be well over 50% right now) of women in America are partnered up/hooked up with men who are not in any type of leadership role. A lot of women are making more money than their guy, have more connections, more education, etc., to where a lot of the decisions within the relationship itself have become 60/40, 70/30, or 80/20 in FAVOR of the woman, where SHE is the one "leading" the household in terms of vision, decision-making, etc. Again, this isn't my opinion, all you have to do is look up various studies that are conducted on this changing cultural dynamic.

You are correct in that any person in a leadership role needs to be qualified for it, but we are no longer in 1950 and a significant percentage of women in America (I would say maybe the majority at this point) are NOT looking for a patriarchal structure where a man "leads" them so they can submit to his leadership.



This is another flat out untrue statement. Have you ever been on an online dating site? 70% of the women there are complete FLAKES. That has nothing to do with a man whatsoever and more to do with the bullshyt games that the women are playing in general.

Also you mention that "color or race" plays no difference in the management of the woman in particular, again, you are either out of touch or flat out lying for some reason? Every man who has dated multiple types of women, such as white women, black women, latino and asian women, will tell you that Asian women are usually vastly different in attitude, personality, traditional values and more than white, black and latino women. I'm not saying all white, black and latino women are fvcked up, but there is a major difference between them and Asian women.

Furthermore, dating a black woman (for the most part) is going to be a different level of management than dating most white women. The black community is a 100% matriarchy right now and most black women DID NOT grow up with a Father in her life, thus, they have no true understanding of masculinity. In the MAJORITY of relationship dynamics today in the black community, the BLACK WOMAN is the leader.

The white community is not a 100% matriarchy, you still have some level of patriarchy foundation in the white community and you do NOT have the situation of having most white women not growing up with their Fathers. Thus, there are going to be behavioral differences with dating a white woman v.s. dating a black woman.

Again, these aren't my opinions, these are facts.




I'll ask you like I asked Legend (which he never answered BTW), have you EVER dated black women? When a black woman says she is looking for a black man who can "handle her", she is NOT talking about some god damn leadership role that resembles a 1950's patriarchal household.

When she says, "I need a (n-word) that can handle me..." what she is saying is:

- I need a man that can put up with my fvcked up attitude and not leave me
- I need a man that can put up with my crazy family and not leave me
- I need a man that won't put too much pressure on me to change who I am
- I need a man that has no issue with allowing me to be the Queen and run this shyt
- I need a man that can deal with a strong black bytch, who is VERY opinionated, and not leave me

That's what she is referring to when she makes that statement.

You made some good points here I think are worth repeating.

The racial differences in women are very real, and I didnt wanna say so I'm glad you did. I dated several black women before my wife and man, you couldnt pay me enough to have a black wife. It's the way they are raised and black American culture in general. I'm sure there is the odd sweetheart out there but my experience and observation matches yours---they are crass, dominant, loud, and demanding; and more often than not have some sort of absentee father. Just not good odds with black women.

And regarding the leadership thing, this is MUCH easier to do when you have "hand", as Seinfeld coined it. "Hand" being either a higher status job, more income, more education, more intelligence, being older, better fitness....something tangible that yields fruit. I forget at times that have a professional degree, make about twice what my wife makes, 4 more years of higher ed, way more relationship experience. And I'm 6 years older.

I think it would be really hard to maintain a positive male/female dynamic (as we see it) when the tables are turned and she has the higher profile job, makes more, is very hot, etc. I've never seen it work out this way.

One of the rules in my book and something I've found to be almost universally true is that all women desire someone who is better than them, in some way. They need a man to look up to and feel taken care of by, regardless of what they say. Their behaviors always belie their true nature. The essence of the red pill.

 

[CMNILS87]

Feminist presupposition is in this question, can you spot it?

Uhh obviously so people can get their way i.e. Women.

 

[CMNILS87]

Thanks for the responses. I especially like Des's reply. Just on a whim to play with hypergamy and provider seekers I played a game on tinder when women started blowing up my phone. Minneapolis is huge so I ran out of swipes. For each woman that I texted or she texted first I changed my profession and the results were bonkers.

Finance manager/engineer/manager/health professions= I'm cute, funny, wanted to set up dates right away

Construction/servers/bartenders/warehouse= not as much interest. Flaked out after 3-4 texts and not as open to dates.

What I did for fun was never usually asked, profession was usually asked the first or second text from a girl.

 

[Fireflame]

That's not how marriage is in my country.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear CMNIL,
Yeah I liked Des' post too...especially," When you start taking it all in, you start seeing it everywhere. Then you start becoming a prophet. You can almost literally forecast the future of people's relationships."...Pithy but profound...Relationships are like a chemical reaction in a laboratory retort,you throw the chemicals in and just watch the predictable reaction.....For the rest of his post,whilst I fully accept that Men should lead in a relationship,I remember my old Mums words,"Some come into this World carrying a saddle,whilst some few,come carrying a whip and wearing spurs"!

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

Never underestimate a power of woman.Remeber Julius Ceasar ? He could bang virgins all his life and was trapped and manipulated by Cleoparta. Many fearless warriors -the alphas of alphas - were dominated by woman.During Ottoman empire, a slave from Europe named Roksalana was taken into sultan's harem as many of his sex slaves.She was so good she manipulated sultan into submission and ruled the Ottoman empire.Women are -genetically- expert in manipulation of a man, you can't match it as it is their natural talent.

 

[kenpiffyjr]

I'm gonna agree on Tenacity on a point I've been yelling for a while. Women...especially with black women...

They have created this mask for their insecurity called "Only such and such can handle me". It's like the ultimate form of self pedalization. One chick on Twitter said that because she's a Leo, only Leo's and a special kind of person can put up with her lol. It's a shame. It really is disgusting that they refuse to take responsibility.