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[LearningSlowly]

Talked a little with Lefty tonight. He was getting peeved cause I seemed to have self-doubts, but I thought I'd write a post on some of those ideas and clarify it for myself, him, and the rest of you all if you want to read.

I also wrote a 3 page guide on using meditation to approach girls and also to maintain relationships. Maybe I'll post it this week.

So Lefty had a big point that any guy can get the hottest of girls, if he gets his inner game straight. I agree with him there (but who can define "hot," really? Is it skinny? How about Marilyn Monroe?). But I have a condition to add on.

When going for only 9s or 10s, you will inevitably be rejected more often. They have more orbiters to consider and they have higher standards for how attractive a guy should be to date them. This does not mean that an unattractive guy can't get a 10, it just means he needs to be REJECTED MUCH MORE before finding a girl who loves his personality enough. There are also fewer very hot girls, so he needs to force himself into situations where he can meet many new 9s and 10s so he can be rejected by many of them.

Also, I firmly believe that one does not need a 9 or 10 for a long term relationship. From personal experience, I have found that attractiveness of the girl does not significantly affect the quality of the sex (I've done it with all sorts). There are all kinds of factors that go into sex quality, and body shape isn't so critical.

So why do we feel the need to go for very hot girls? I think its based on how we want to be viewed socially. We want to be alpha, we want to be well considered by the group, and having a hot girlfriend helps with that.That's all well and good through high school and college, social groups are at their most critical in that stage of life.

But how important is it to appear alpha to your social group after college? Are you any better than people around you because your girlfriend/wife is hotter? 30 years after college, is she still hotter? Are you still proud of your "alpha" status?

Mind you, I'm not knocking anyone with a hot girlfriend, especially if she's a good person on top of that. But is that really your main goal? Don't you think you can have long-term happiness with any girl that truly loves you?

 

[jericg]

To me, it would be one of the best thing in my life if I happen to marry a 10. I like to think that its like winning a gold medal on the Olympics, a life changing event. Therefore, i would feel A king-like alpha status among other males and there would no need to find a better mate. That is, if she's compatible with me.
I must admit, getting a 10 will be my main goal after i start my career im still 16, but even so, my past pursuits for talents and objects that im passionate of has given me almost no failure.

 

[AlexLefty]

I completely agree with you.

But:

Her body does affect sex, because if she's not hot enough, I wont be aroused.

Sure, I can have long-term happiness with a girl that truly loves me, but I can't truly love a girl if she doesn't fit my physical specifications.

 

[LearningSlowly]

That's true lefty. An even if you're attracted to her now, she won't always be the same and you won't always be the same. People can change and grow apart very easily.

 

[AlexLefty]

That's true lefty. An even if you're attracted to her now, she won't always be the same and you won't always be the same. People can change and grow apart very easily.

Ummm yes. Thats true

 

[jericg]

So the pursuit of perfection is useless, i see. Ill just be mature and be happy with a very loving 9 or 8 mmk

 

[Jack Wealthy]

You are wrong. It's a limiting belief, from experience 9s and 10s are FAR EASIER so long as you're more aggressive. Very feminine girls love very masculine men. If you rely on personality alone to hook, yes your success will be low. But you shouldn't do that unless you're into mannish 5s or 6s. 7s like dominance, 8s teasing and misunderstanding and the 9s/10s like being treated "harsh".

Tyler summed it nicely when he said a hot girls life is like a happy movie, a perpetual rom-com. Break the pattern. Be the one who stands out. Be the alpha male. Tell her what to do, then when she **** tests you be indifferent and continue to do what you want.

An example Rad and I figured: a chode and a girl are walking on the side of the road their destination is on. She wants to cross, says so, he doesn't, does. Fake alpha puts up resistance but when she does cross he does too. The real alpha does not cross. That's the guy she respects. Based on real life examples. Lead yourself and followers follow. Do not be a follower, waiting for opportunity. Make it.

However, this isn't based on looks but esteem. 9 may feel like a 6 and vixe versa, which will nsostly account for your success with 9s despite limiting beliefs.

 

[Galvan]

You are wrong. It's a limiting belief, from experience 9s and 10s are FAR EASIER so long as you're more aggressive. Very feminine girls love very masculine men. If you rely on personality alone to hook, yes your success will be low. But you shouldn't do that unless you're into mannish 5s or 6s. 7s like dominance, 8s teasing and misunderstanding and the 9s/10s like being treated "harsh".

Tyler summed it nicely when he said a hot girls life is like a happy movie, a perpetual rom-com. Break the pattern. Be the one who stands out. Be the alpha male. Tell her what to do, then when she **** tests you be indifferent and continue to do what you want.

An example Rad and I figured: a chode and a girl are walking on the side of the road their destination is on. She wants to cross, says so, he doesn't, does. Fake alpha puts up resistance but when she does cross he does too. The real alpha does not cross. That's the guy she respects. Based on real life examples. Lead yourself and followers follow. Do not be a follower, waiting for opportunity. Make it.

However, this isn't based on looks but esteem. 9 may feel like a 6 and vixe versa, which will nsostly account for your success with 9s despite limiting beliefs.

It's easy in theory, but being with a hot girl adds an extra pressure.
Anybody can be an alpha with an average girl.

 

[BPH]

This thread is the product of overanalyzing why a man so obviously wants to have sex with hot women. Therefore I cannot respect its legitimacy.

 

[NorwegianDJ]

Read books; win at life.

 

[AlexLefty]

This thread is the product of overanalyzing why a man so obviously wants to have sex with hot women. Therefore I cannot respect its legitimacy.

Spoken like a true scholar.

in other words though, don't limit yourself. There's no point in brainwashing yourself that less is more....hot women are hot, and that's why i want them, end of story.

It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself of something...

 

[Jack Wealthy]

Galvan, that is why you practice. Being alpha is having more experience.

Alex, stop thinking so much. When you think that much you can't learn. I don't know what your experience is, but judging from your opinion its limited. At least your beliefs are, which is due to not enough experiences to expand your mind. Like Norway says, read some books. More importantly neither you nor Josh go out enough to disprove yourselves. Leave your comfort zone. Grow.

 

[BPH]

Galvan, that is why you practice. Being alpha is having more experience.

Alex, stop thinking so much. When you think that much you can't learn. I don't know what your experience is, but judging from your opinion its limited. At least your beliefs are, which is due to not enough experiences to expand your mind. Like Norway says, read some books. More importantly neither you nor Josh go out enough to disprove yourselves. Leave your comfort zone. Grow.

Contradictions a'plenty

 

[LearningSlowly]

Very happy with my girlfriend right now. If I had a hotter girlfriend, I would be just as happy. Physical features don't create or prevent happiness, only internal features do.

I have a lot of goals right now, and finding a new girlfriend is not one of them.

BPH, I expected your opinion, and we've always disagreed (i dont thjnk you would deny you have a shallow streak). NDJ gives the same advice as always, which is advice i believe in, but doesn't prove that 9s or 10s are inherently better than 7s or 8s.

Jaedon, you seem to be arguing a strange position. Yours is about personal experience, and I'm sure if I went out a lot I would figure my own strategies to get the hottest girls, same as you have ( and they would be different from yours, we are different people).
And yet my point is really, what would get me to do that? My answer to that is ego. And right now, destroying my ego is more important than finding a hotter girl than the one who already makes me happy. Sorry I'm not going out more to work on my "alpha-ness" but at this point, I'm basically refusing to cross the street for you.

 

[NorwegianDJ]

You know it! Ha

I'm really interested in where this inner journey of yours takes you Josh, keep me on tabs. I do find it a bit limiting, but I know how it goes.

Jaedon is on point and intellectual while sounding a bit high as always, which makes it seem less credible than it should be. There's just a slight lack in the argument.

And Josh, don't forget that the girls are constants too, thus 'strategies' have generalities within them that make them somewhat the same.

And books are great.
So are hot girls. I love me some hot girls.

 

[apocolipto]

And Josh, don't forget that the girls are constants too, thus 'strategies' have generalities within them that make them somewhat the same.

Doesn't that mean that MM and SS and what not strategies are valid, but "pre-planned" strategies?

My thoughts.

 

[BPH]

If people watch porn they generally watch the hottest porn stars get plowed by ripped dudes. Ugly girls and BBWs make porn, but they appeal to a very small market.

People like attractive people. They generally find jobs easier, get some sort of preferential treatment, and are more popular in their social circles. You can be happy with a girl who has sub-par looks, but everyone is looking for a bigger, better deal.

Does it have to do with ego? Of course, but the ego is something that should be controlled, not destroyed. I know a guy who has had sex with 300 women, and 90% of them were ugly as hell. He might have enjoyed some of those, but he is perceived as being low value because he takes what he can get without shooting higher. That's part of the reason I'm on a 2-month dry spell at the moment. I'm sure if I wanted sex with a 6 or 7 I could phone one over right now. But I'd rather bang an 8 or 9 because I like hot girls, if people find out I don't get ranked on, and it's something nice to look back on.

Instead of "aww man, remember that ugly girl I f***ed? I messed up that night" it could be "aww dude, remember that night I f***ed that supermodel? Everything just came together man".

This shouldn't even be an argument. Would you rather f*** Rosie O'Donnell or Kate Upton? And if you try to make an argument for Rosie's personality or some other BS it just shows that you're trying to destroy standards to make your personal choices more acceptable as you seek validation.

Good day.

 

[LearningSlowly]

BPH, I don't want to have sex with 300 girls. I want to have sex with one girl who nutures my intelligence and spirituality and who causes me to advance my inner self. That aspect is infinitely more important than how she looks. I'm not arguing ugly girls are better than hot girls. I'm arguing that physical features are not the most important quality.

As for destroying the ego, it is certainly possible, you just never invested much time in the effort. Part of that is abandoning the "remember when I got with that super model/ugly girl" thoughts. Those are past. Past is over. Now is more important.

And if I'm happy now, what could I be doing wrong?

 

[BPH]

I'll answer your question with one of my own:

If you're not here to f*** hot girls, why are you here? If you are happy, why are you here?

 

[Jack Wealthy]

BPH those aren't contradictions and your questions are pointless. This is a self improvement forum, not a **** hot girls forum. Different strokes for different folks. The reason they are not contradictions is two fold a) overthinking stunts learning AND confidence in a vicious cycle and B) we learn by actions and beliefs, not thoughts but consistant PATTERNS. When you and I talk to a girl we nay think the same things, but I will think them all once and move on. My unique thoughts are higher, my spontaneous streak soars. I work on beliefs, you work off your ego, thoughts, it cripples your ability to adapt. Pickup is this: be in an attractive and dominant state, bring girl to said state. Adapt to and refuse to change state for **** tests. When your states match and you have a rapport, change to sexual state. How can you do this without being fluid?

My position isn't that you should **** hot girls, its that from a game perspective assuming equal confidence in approaching both it is easier to **** hot girls. They are more submissive, approached less and more in tune... In general. They are usually PERSONAL tens, who you will have chemistry with. Being in sync physically often makes you in sync personally.