Question: Why Not Just Screw Escorts?

[Tenacity]

You are right. Chicks these days add zero value and getting worse by the day. My mum and her generation constantly ask why I am not married and I tell them women today are not like her generation or her parents generation. Quite frankly, women already started to deteriorate in my parents generation. They have this dillusional idea of endless vacations, endless new home appliances and a man that comes home from work at 5:30 nice and relaxed to care for the kids.

There is no upside to marriage, most guys don't even get sex. The only upside is if you really want kids

This is what I have been saying and what my analysis, experiences, etc. have drawn out as a conclusion. But in general, the vast majority of guys (old and young) will disagree with me even when they are dealing with the various issues I've pinpointed.

I think to a lot of these guys, they aren't even using logic and ration, they are literally just going on an emotional, religious, societal or social based construct that outside of it's emotional standing....really has no meaning.

You know how FDR says, "There's nothing to fear, but fear itself?" I believe he meant that fear in and of itself, is just an emotion, and often times people create THEIR ENTIRE LIVES based on an emotion. The issue with an emotion, is that it's not tied to anything of substance, and can change in 3 seconds.

When I say the market is horrible, I'm not saying that you can't get laid. I'm not saying you can't go on dates. I'm not saying you can't be some pseudo player and beat your chest about how many plates you are spinning.

I'm talking about the fact that for a TRADITIONAL man, looking for a family structure, to marry a chick and build a legacy (family tree) to pass down wealth.....that shyt is just NOT out here today. There's no chick that's on that shyt. Chicks want to get married because it's the "IN" thing to do, everybody else is doing it and she doesn't want to be left out. Just like having a kid, everybody else has one, so she wants one, like the damn kid is one of those Tickle Me Elmo dolls that was HOT over 10 years ago during Christmas Time.

For me to deliberately enter into this abnormal and backwards structure, thinking I'm about to be fulfilled in ANY WAY, or there's going to be a positive boost to my life in ANY WAY, is just me being delusional. It's all a LOSS.

The question is, is the LOSS worth it? Could I turn the LOSS into some sort of investment into the future? And the answer is......I don't think so. And it's pissing me off. Because all I can do is work on MYSELF, I can't do shyt to change the LOW QUALITY of these fvcking chicks out here. The chicks are the ones that have to come to be with a quality standing and they AREN'T doing it.

 

[user43770]

This is what I have been saying and what my analysis, experiences, etc. have drawn out as a conclusion. But in general, the vast majority of guys (old and young) will disagree with me even when they are dealing with the various issues I've pinpointed.

I think to a lot of these guys, they aren't even using logic and ration, they are literally just going on an emotional, religious, societal or social based construct that outside of it's emotional standing....really has no meaning.

You know how FDR says, "There's nothing to fear, but fear itself?" I believe he meant that fear in and of itself, is just an emotion, and often times people create THEIR ENTIRE LIVES based on an emotion. The issue with an emotion, is that it's not tied to anything of substance, and can change in 3 seconds.

When I say the market is horrible, I'm not saying that you can't get laid. I'm not saying you can't go on dates. I'm not saying you can't be some pseudo player and beat your chest about how many plates you are spinning.

I'm talking about the fact that for a TRADITIONAL man, looking for a family structure, to marry a chick and build a legacy (family tree) to pass down wealth.....that shyt is just NOT out here today. There's no chick that's on that shyt. Chicks want to get married because it's the "IN" thing to do, everybody else is doing it and she doesn't want to be left out. Just like having a kid, everybody else has one, so she wants one, like the damn kid is one of those Tickle Me Elmo dolls that was HOT over 10 years ago during Christmas Time.

For me to deliberately enter into this abnormal and backwards structure, thinking I'm about to be fulfilled in ANY WAY, or there's going to be a positive boost to my life in ANY WAY, is just me being delusional. It's all a LOSS.

The question is, is the LOSS worth it? Could I turn the LOSS into some sort of investment into the future? And the answer is......I don't think so. And it's pissing me off. Because all I can do is work on MYSELF, I can't do shyt to change the LOW QUALITY of these fvcking chicks out here. The chicks are the ones that have to come to be with a quality standing and they AREN'T doing it.

I agree with everything you've said in this thread. My experiences in the dating market have been similar. I have had success fvcking women in my life, but I've never been with a woman that was worth marrying. That is, they weren't worth it in my eyes; not with what I've learned from the red pill.

That doesn't change the fact that I'm 30 and can't seem to find a purpose in life. Is work my purpose - are my hobbies my purpose? No, our ultimate purpose is to propagate our genes, but it's a horrible proposition for men in today's cultural/ legal climate. I'm not sure about y'all, but I think I'm pretty much fvcked.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I'm talking about the fact that for a TRADITIONAL man, looking for a family structure, to marry a chick and build a legacy (family tree) to pass down wealth.....that shyt is just NOT out here today. There's no chick that's on that shyt.

Yes there is. But they're not going to be slim sexy sweethearts. They're not going to be freaks in bed.

Many of them are just OK to look at, but will be loyal wives and good mothers.

You seem to want EVERYTHING. Sexy body, cute face, AND super loyal and committed.

You need to have VERY HIGH VALUE to get that kind of girl. Especially an attractive girl.

Make no mistake, plenty of attractive women are into "empire building."

But in order to find them (cute ones), YOU have to have a HUGE amount of value.

HUGE.

Problem is most guys tend to overestimate their own value by quite a bit.

Male value is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to the quality of girls he can pull.

(that's why it's called a "marketplace").

It would be economically impossible for high quality males to ONLY pull low quality women.

The quality of males is determined by the pool of females.

The quality of females is determined by the pool of males.

Learn to sort better.

 

[MatureDJ]

My boy Aaron Clarey even did a video about this same analysis which you guys can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvWsJmOmZ94, so if Aaron Clarey pointed this out as well, maybe my analysis is correct?

I think Aaron Clarey is my favorite internet philosopher concerning men's issues.

 

[user43770]

Nevermind.

 

[glass half full]

One disagreement though...when that fat gal gets skinny, she's gonna go find somebody better than you. Guaranteed...

 

[user43770]

One disagreement though...when that fat gal gets skinny, she's gonna go find somebody better than you. Guaranteed...

Lmao somebody get this guy a drink...on me...

 

[corrector]

Okay guys, well, can you answer me this?

As a man with my current standing, what am I going to receive from "regular/unpaid" women that I'm not getting from Escorts?

Well, first of all "regular/unpaid" women is legal, and second of all, I do not understand the comparison as it's totally irrational. Is this a hyperbolic type of expression because I doubt you actually use escorts.

I can say that my experience using one was too shocking on my nervous system to even think of going there again and I honestly don't know how other guys handle that type of stuff, or how that stuff even exists in the first place. It's so animalistic and degrading and it's so not me.

Marriage is always the honorable way to go, even if it doesn't work out. At least you lived above the level of an animal and maintained your dignity. This comparison between escort and other women is totally inappropriate.

 

[Tenacity]

Well, first of all "regular/unpaid" women is legal, and second of all, I do not understand the comparison as it's totally irrational. Is this a hyperbolic type of expression because I doubt you actually use escorts.

I can say that my experience using one was too shocking on my nervous system to even think of going there again and I honestly don't know how other guys handle that type of stuff, or how that stuff even exists in the first place. It's so animalistic and degrading and it's so not me.

Marriage is always the honorable way to go, even if it doesn't work out. At least you lived above the level of an animal and maintained your dignity. This comparison between escort and other women is totally inappropriate.

1.) Escorts are only illegal depending upon how you and the girl structure it. Most professional Escorts DO NOT advertise themselves as such, you basically go and meet up with the chick and provide a "donation" and the engagement between you and the girl is considered to be between two regular (consenting) adults.

2.) What were you so nervous about?

3.) Marriage is the "honorable" way to go? Honorable? What's honorable about it, can you please elaborate on it? I can understand it being honorable to fight in the Army and die for the US, as you are doing it to keep FREEDOM alive. What is honorable to marry a woman in 2015? Tell me....

4.) And you say it's inappropriate huh? Okay, what do you get from an Escort? Sex and a Companion, right? Okay, the women I've been dating and ****ing, have ONLY provided sex and companionship. They don't cook, they don't clean, they don't support me through words, if I'm sick they won't give me an Advil. I'm NOT getting anything different from "unpaid/regular" women than what I get from Escorts.

My analysis isn't inappropriate, what's inappropriate is the fact that this market of women is SO low quality that they are on par now with Escorts. And you mentioned getting married lol, I would TOTALLY take the Escort over the Wife because the Escort costs me $100 while the Wife (once she divorces me in 5-10 years or sooner) will cost me a SHYT load of assets and future income.

 

[corrector]

1.) Escorts are only illegal depending upon how you and the girl structure it. Most professional Escorts DO NOT advertise themselves as such, you basically go and meet up with the chick and provide a "donation" and the engagement between you and the girl is considered to be between two regular (consenting) adults.

2.) What were you so nervous about?

The encounter itself was mind-blowing. It's the day after is where I got hit badly.

One day after the encounter I had massive panic attacks and was a nervous wreck for two straight weeks afterwards. I can't look at porn or masturbate anymore since the encounter and I have just been frozen. It has been a personal nightmare. I can't even drive on the same street where the encounter happened as I'm worried if I go there the panic attacks may come back.

Right now I can't even look at intense stuff on the internet and I've been worrying that some evil spirit came from that escort place and has been playing tricks with my mind. You don't know what these escorts are into or what spirits come from them to attack you.

They are seeing OTHER guys as well. How can you deal with that?

3.) Marriage is the "honorable" way to go? Honorable? What's honorable about it, can you please elaborate on it? I can understand it being honorable to fight in the Army and die for the US, as you are doing it to keep FREEDOM alive. What is honorable to marry a woman in 2015? Tell me....

Because we live higher than an animal and with dignity.

4.) And you say it's inappropriate huh? Okay, what do you get from an Escort? Sex and a Companion, right? Okay, the women I've been dating and ****ing, have ONLY provided sex and companionship. They don't cook, they don't clean, they don't support me through words, if I'm sick they won't give me an Advil. I'm NOT getting anything different from "unpaid/regular" women that I get from Escorts.

My analysis isn't inappropriate, what's inappropriate is the fact that this market of women is SO low quality that they are on par now with Escorts. And you mentioned getting married lol, I would TOTALLY take the Escort over the Wife because the Escort costs me $100 while the Wife (once she divorces me in 5-10 years or sooner) will cost me a SHYT load of assets and future income.

Then I admire your central nervous system. Whenever I heal, I'm probably going to look back at my failed marriage and say that, I didn't regret getting married although it ended badly in a separation, or any other women I dealt with that didn't work. Because none of that lead to any shocks or panic attacks and at least it still had some fun innocence about it that the encounter didn't have, which was more like a loss of innocence.

Now, for the life of me, I don't know how anyone can go with an escort and feel cool about it. I don't see any other people getting panic attacks, I mean, most people worry about STDs, or police or whatever, so I'm guessing, not many guys get nasty panic/anxiety attacks after the encounter. I just want my old self back and to get away from this ASAP. How do you handle something like that? I didn't even go inside her.

I will still say that after three weeks, I'm almost healed, but still have some way to go.

 

[Tenacity]

The encounter itself was mind-blowing. It's the day after is where I got hit badly.

One day after the encounter I had massive panic attacks and was a nervous wreck for two straight weeks afterwards. I can't look at porn or masturbate anymore since the encounter and I have just been frozen. It has been a personal nightmare. I can't even drive on the same street where the encounter happened as I'm worried if I go there the panic attacks may come back.

Right now I can't even look at intense stuff on the internet and I've been worrying that some evil spirit came from that escort place and has been playing tricks with my mind. You don't know what these escorts are into or what spirits come from them to attack you.

They are seeing OTHER guys as well. How can you deal with that?




Because we live higher than an animal and with dignity.



Then I admire your central nervous system. Whenever I heal, I'm probably going to look back at my failed marriage and say that, I didn't regret getting married although it ended badly in a separation, or any other women I dealt with that didn't work. Because none of that lead to any shocks or panic attacks and at least it still had some fun innocence about it that the encounter didn't have, which was more like a loss of innocence.

Now, for the life of me, I don't know how anyone can go with an escort and feel cool about it. I don't see any other people getting panic attacks, I mean, most people worry about STDs, or police or whatever, so I'm guessing, not many guys get nasty panic/anxiety attacks after the encounter. I just want my old self back and to get away from this ASAP. How do you handle something like that? I didn't even go inside her.

I will still say that after three weeks, I'm almost healed, but still have some way to go.

I don't know why the panic attacks were there, did you use an Escort or a street walker? An Escort isn't some crack-filled chick hanging out on the corner, you usually are going to the Escort's apartment or a hotel room she's rented out in a nice area somewhere.

Studies have shown that most American women have some sort of STD, so if you want to be totally in a situation with no STD risk, then you wouldn't have sex at all. I always use condoms, I have never had sex raw, in that matter I don't even really know what pvssy feels like.

Your marriage ended badly but you believe it was honorable to do? Why is that?

 

[Tenacity]

i cant help but think of Elliot Rodger every time i read a post like this.

there has to be something going on there mentally for what i can only perceive and describe as extreme narcissism

Lol, hey it is what it is. Sometimes I get so frustrated with how these chicks behave today, then you throw the Family Court shyt in with that, then you throw in the fact that I COULD be a good Father but have to decide to NOT make children because of these stupid a.ss chicks...........it makes me want to BLOW these pieces of crap to hell.

Maybe that's what we need to do, a purge? Far left liberal shyt has destroyed my race (black people) and destroyed the targets of my damn affection (women, white and black), so why not just have a PURGE and start the fvck over?

 

[corrector]

It was an escort and not a streetwalker or crack-head. I wouldn't have got hard in the first place, or comfortable enough to continue with the session if it were the latter.

 

[limerickdesign]

Nice responses guys. My thing with the STDs is that you can get those from anybody. I know you could look at it as the Escort is screwing more people without any pre-judgment on WHO she screws, thus the likelihood of her getting an STD is higher.

But with the overall low value of American women today, I just don't see how they are that much of "differing quality". Plus when you add in the fact that studies show that a significant amount of American women (not Escorts, but women in general) have some type of STD, it's as if the only way to NOT be at risk of an STD acquisition was if you didn't fvck at all.

Here's what I've been finding, keep in mind I target black women (unpaid ones and paid ones) so my experiences might be different than some of you guys who target white and asian woman mostly.

- I can usually get decent looking black Escorts for $50 - $100, when I say decent she will top out at a 6, on average they would be between a 4-6 as I won't go lower than a 4. They usually develop a bond towards me where it's a "trick" but not really a "trick". After we do it for about two times, it usually turns into a more normal routine (without charges a good amount of time) until I go tired of her.

- I do run into Escorts that would charge about $200 - $300 and there are some 5's and 6's thrown in here too now, but if you are looking for that dimepiece she's usually going to be in here somewhere. I can usually talk her down to $150.

When I'm with an unpaid chick, as mentioned I would probably spend about $50 - $200 on the date, the gas to see her, etc. BEFORE we do the first fvck. Now going forward for the recurring fvcks, if you are doing a event-by-event comparison then the Escorts would come out higher PER FVCK. But when you do a comparison of the entire relationship (Escort shorter, Unpaid chick longer) I think you just about break-even because the Unpaid chick STOPS fvcking you all the time once you get into a relationship with her.

So I don't know, I just wish that American Women were not of such low quality and bought SO LITTLE to the table that I would even have to compare them to Escorts

if you spend more than 100 bucks on a date then thats your fault and is stupid in my opinion. Girls only appreciate the things you spend on her initially and then its nothing to her. (or maybe you will get the rare one that actually feels guilty you spent anything on her and is humble with a low star restaurant)

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

The opportunity cost of settling down is simply very high compared to what it was in the past, at least for those of us complaining about it. It always helps to be reminded about the inescapable need to settle in some capacity but that knowledge is not exactly foreign to us. It is also extremely dangerous to the health of a relationship where I am getting IOIs regularly from significantly hotter women than my ltr girl.

No argument here.

To be sure, it IS a seller's market when it comes to poon, both low quality and high quality.

But it IS a market, nonetheless, and all market forces STILL apply.

Due to the MASSIVE amount of betas out there who will take anything, and let their war pig cheat on them without consequences, the market certainly is NOT tilted in men's favor. (Not to mention the financial risks involved in legally binding relationships).

My point is that it is the responsibility of ANY BUYER in ANY MARKET to understand what it costs to get what they want, and whether or not they are willing (or even can) pay that cost.

Saying "the market doesn't have what I want" is not true. As you mention, there is always a cost.

A more "correct" statement would be "the market doesn't have what I want for what I'm capable or willing to pay."

In ANY market (buyer's or seller's) there is ALWAYS a point below which certain buyers simply CANNOT or DO NOT WANT TO participate.

In that particular situation, the ONLY reasonable response is to withdraw from the market, or increase your buying power.

If you DO withdraw from the market (as the OP is apparently doing) it's not the fault of the market.

 

[Tenacity]

No argument here.

To be sure, it IS a seller's market when it comes to poon, both low quality and high quality.

But it IS a market, nonetheless, and all market forces STILL apply.

Due to the MASSIVE amount of betas out there who will take anything, and let their war pig cheat on them without consequences, the market certainly is NOT tilted in men's favor. (Not to mention the financial risks involved in legally binding relationships).

My point is that it is the responsibility of ANY BUYER in ANY MARKET to understand what it costs to get what they want, and whether or not they are willing (or even can) pay that cost.

Saying "the market doesn't have what I want" is not true. As you mention, there is always a cost.

A more "correct" statement would be "the market doesn't have what I want for what I'm capable or willing to pay."

In ANY market (buyer's or seller's) there is ALWAYS a point below which certain buyers simply CANNOT or DO NOT WANT TO participate.

In that particular situation, the ONLY reasonable response is to withdraw from the market, or increase your buying power.

If you DO withdraw from the market (as the OP is apparently doing) it's not the fault of the market.

Okay, so a couple of questions.

Let's use a Real Estate example in this case. So the market is a Seller's market, meaning those with the houses have way more leverage than those looking to acquire them. Having more leverage in this case allows you to determine the "costs" to acquire the property and set the rules surrounding the transaction in general, correct?

Based on this, isn't it reasonable to conclude that those same Sellers might "favor" one particular Buyer over another to fit their own pre-determined objectives for the future of the property? Meaning, you can have a Buyer that's ready, willing and able, but the Sellers have a pre-determined particular Buyer in mind that they want to sell to as selling it to THAT Buyer would help push whatever agenda that they are seeking.

Does this make sense?

If this makes sense, it will help you understand my broader point about today's market of women. I believe that the women are of low quality, low quality is defined in this context as of having OBJECTIVES for the men in their life that are vastly different than women of more traditional nature.

Women of traditional nature had objectives for the men in their lives to be community leaders, strong, powerful, a resource gatherer, etc., and the women would stand by those men in emotional, sexual, and psychological support to be an assistance to him to carry out these objectives. Her focus was on NOT herself, but her children and her community, thus, the criteria to BUY her property (get her pvssy) was one where you had to represent these value sets.

Women of THIS market, have different objectives. They want the men to represent THEIR entertainment only, which includes the ability to fight for them if need be, buy them things if need be, "lay the pipe down" in the bedroom, make her laugh, make her feel coozy, make her feel protected, etc., etc.....the focus is on HER. Not her children. Not her community. Not even her FUTURE. Just her short term or immediate instant gratification.

So to get a woman of this market to support you, you have to be a man that represents these criterion. Which means you are either going to be the successful Thug or striving to be the successful Thug, which is a guy that is engaged in the Drug Game (money) and who was raised by a single mother and worships women, which allows the women to CONTROL you in terms of being her entertainment. OR, you are going to be the Educated Simp, which is a guy engaged in a successful Career or on his way to that, who was ALSO raised by a single mother and worships women, which allows the women to CONTROL you in terms of being her entertainment.

In other words, if you are an independent and strong MAN, with leader qualities, who is focused on bettering himself to better his COMMUNITY and better the WORLD....women of this market will not value that because it has NOTHING to do with her personal entertainment. And the only way her personal entertainment can be truly maximized, she MUST have a guy that she can CONTROL.

So taiyuu_otoko, when you say you want us "Buyers" to adjust to the market, what you are saying is to refuse to be MEN, and become "Males" that allow women to control us.

 

[Newby 15]

Lame. Bottom line...No dude getting a ton of quality ass would consider paying escorts for sex.

 

[Tenacity]

Lame. Bottom line...No dude getting a ton of quality ass would consider paying escorts for sex.

I agree. The argument is that there's NO quality a.ss out here lol.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Okay, so a couple of questions.

Let's use a Real Estate example in this case. So the market is a Seller's market, meaning those with the houses have way more leverage than those looking to acquire them. Having more leverage in this case allows you to determine the "costs" to acquire the property and set the rules surrounding the transaction in general, correct?

Based on this, isn't it reasonable to conclude that those same Sellers might "favor" one particular Buyer over another to fit their own pre-determined objectives for the future of the property? Meaning, you can have a Buyer that's ready, willing and able, but the Sellers have a pre-determined particular Buyer in mind that they want to sell to as selling it to THAT Buyer would help push whatever agenda that they are seeking.

Does this make sense?

No.

If a seller has a pre-determined buyer, for whatever reason, then the house is not on the market. Especially if another buyer offered more money.

The case you describe is a "one-seller / one-buyer" market. Apples and oranges.

If this makes sense, it will help you understand my broader point about today's market of women. I believe that the women are of low quality, low quality is defined in this context as of having OBJECTIVES for the men in their life that are vastly different than women of more traditional nature.

1) "quality" is a purely subjective definition.

2) In any market there will be "low quality" products and "high quality" products.

And TECHNICALLY, each product ("high quality" and "low quality") makes up it's own market, from a supply demand standpoint.

There ARE high quality women. There IS a market comprised ONLY of high quality women.

Plenty of guys are GETTING high quality women.

Plenty (literally millions) of men are MARRIED to what they describe as "high quality" women.

Women of traditional nature had objectives for the men in their lives to be community leaders, strong, powerful, a resource gatherer, etc., and the women would stand by those men in emotional, sexual, and psychological support to be an assistance to him to carry out these objectives. Her focus was on NOT herself, but her children and her community, thus, the criteria to BUY her property (get her pvssy) was one where you had to represent these value sets.

Women of THIS market, have different objectives. They want the men to represent THEIR entertainment only, which includes the ability to fight for them if need be, buy them things if need be, "lay the pipe down" in the bedroom, make her laugh, make her feel coozy, make her feel protected, etc., etc.....the focus is on HER. Not her children. Not her community. Not even her FUTURE. Just her short term or immediate instant gratification.

So to get a woman of this market to support you, you have to be a man that represents these criterion. Which means you are either going to be the successful Thug or striving to be the successful Thug, which is a guy that is engaged in the Drug Game (money) and who was raised by a single mother and worships women, which allows the women to CONTROL you in terms of being her entertainment. OR, you are going to be the Educated Simp, which is a guy engaged in a successful Career or on his way to that, who was ALSO raised by a single mother and worships women, which allows the women to CONTROL you in terms of being her entertainment.

Quality is subjective. Both for guys and girls. If you want a "high quality woman" you've got to provide her with what she describes as a "high quality" man. What that is varies from case to case and is dependent on an uncountable number of factors, both conscious and unconscious.

....women of this market will not value that because it has NOTHING to do with her personal entertainment. And the only way her personal entertainment can be truly maximized, she MUST have a guy that she can CONTROL.

If you don't like the market you're in, find another market.

So taiyuu_otoko, when you say you want us "Buyers" to adjust to the market, what you are saying is to refuse to be MEN, and become "Males" that allow women to control us.

Incorrect. I'm saying it's any buyer's (or more correctly one side of an exchange, as women exchange female value for male value and men do the obverse) responsibility to pony up his half the trade.

The CONTENT of your subjective value (what you offer and what you want) is really irrelevant.

You seem to be confusing "the market" with only those operators in the market that you can "afford" with what you have to offer.

They are not the same.

Unless of course you think you have enough value to satisfy the subjective definition of "high quality man" of pretty much ANY woman on Earth, and that ANY POTENTIAL WOMAN you come across will be satisfied with what you have to offer, yet you won't be satisfied with what she has to offer?

Do you?

Or do you believe it may be possible to INCREASE YOUR VALUE so what you fetch on the market will concomitantly INCREASE IN VALUE?

 

[020204]

The dependence and use of escorts can be a double edged sword, it satisifies one urge while nullifying the emotional aspect of acquiring a mate. Sure they have their uses, I have found that the quality of women who are escorts in Queensland, Australia and I am sure other parts of the Western world in particular the Anglosphere which share similar traits, barely warrant the effort. In my experience if you are going through the newspaper, you have to be somewhat choosey, the good ones are in demand, transgender are now creeping into the industry and you are often having to jump through the same hurdles as if going on a real date. I have wasted up to $40 on credit for my phone just calling escorts at peak times. Have always found the Asians to be the best value particularly Vietnamese, Thais, Koreans and Japanese.