Question: Why Not Just Screw Escorts?

[Tenacity]

Thanks for the responses guys and you are totally correct, solely focusing on Escorts is giving up because it would in some ways reduce down the level of gaming skills that I have been able to create throughout this time period. Even though I don't consider myself to have game lol, the women say I look relatively "cute" and I have a rather engaging personality, as well as the ability to keep a conversation going and get a girl wet throughout that conversation. That's really all I do, I don't do any type of magical seduction tricks.

But I'm getting different feedback from you guys and my conclusions might be different than yours. So I wanted to ask, which of the following (based on the info I've provided) do you think is MORE likely the problem on why I haven't found the Quality Chick I outlined?

- My Development: Maybe I'm not the great guy I am yet, and I have to continue becoming the great guy to find the great girl? But are the standards I have listed really that GREAT though? It's just a chick with no kids, a job that allows her to pay her own bills, she keeps herself looking decent, and the chick is loyal. Does having those standards make you some supreme GOOD woman though?

- Where I'm Meeting The Women At: Most of the women over the last 6 years came from online gaming, but I'm so good at it I'm not sure why to stop? If you guys think this is the problem, my question is where in person would I find more Quality Women that fit the criteria then that I don't already (or have been) sarging at? I sarged at College, I sarge in person at various places when I have the time and not rushing to get to one place/appointment to do so. My mentality is that the same chicks you meet (insert any place here, church, college, whereever) are also online in some capacity rather that be FB, Instagram, Match, POF, OKC, etc. So aren't I meeting the SAME women? Furthermore, online allows me to at least filter who I'm talking to, in person all I have to go on is how she looks but I have no idea if she has 7 kids from 7 different Convicted Felons. This is very similar to our firm and how we do business, MOST of the new clients are acquired without meeting them face to face, but using phone, email, and social media. We are in the Information Age and everybody is online, I'm not sure how that could be the problem?

- My Standards Are Too High: You know I talked to my mother about this over the holiday break, I will say this is the FIRST TIME in my existence I have been able to have a conversation like this with my mother. Most of the time she's just not that interested in discussing serious things with me, I guess since I have long left the nest and established myself (more successful than her and my Father btw), I guess now she respects me? But anyway, she says my standards are too high and that I shouldn't be looking for chicks without kids and that I shouldn't be so "turned off" by chicks who might be OVERWEIGHT, because that might be who "God" wants me to be with. Sounds like typical "chick" recommendations because when I would ask her does it make sense for a guy with no kids to settle with with a chick with 2 kids, she really had no answer for it lol. So what do you guys think? Are my standards too high and I should just drop them? Again, all I want is a chick with no kids, a job that allows her to pay her own bills, she keeps herself looking decent, and the chick is loyal.

- Let Time Play Out: Or, should I just give it more "time"? But what does that mean? I'm saying, is time a solution or something? Doesn't doing the same thing over and over that's not producing what you wanted, but expecting a different result somewhere down the line, the definition of insanity? I'm a business guy so I know all about how it takes a certain amount of "time" for the execution of a plan to workout, but come on, it doesn't take 6 years and RUNNING through all of these different women?

- The Market Is Just Horrible: This has been my analysis. It's like a guy that's qualified and educated, trying to find a decent job in the Great Depression. Is it accurate to say the reason he hasn't found a decent or quality job is because HE's the problem in some extent, or is the guy just a victim of a very bad Market of low quality jobs due to the surrounding "factors"? My analysis has been that due to Feminism, it has destroyed the quality of women overall. That's why I keep running into NON-QUALITY women, and keep running into women that are "uncooked" or with a "major glaring flaw" to them like a bunch of kids, horrible finances or horrible weight management. My boy Aaron Clarey even did a video about this same analysis which you guys can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvWsJmOmZ94, so if Aaron Clarey pointed this out as well, maybe my analysis is correct?

It would be totally different had I not have worked on myself to become of quality (based on the general market of black men I am at least in the top 5% when you put it all on paper) and have been OUT here with a lot of different women. Because of that, that's why I'm leading to the analysis I'm at over here. I quite honestly don't want it to be my conclusion, I'm hoping it IS something like I need to work on this or that, because it at least restores my hope in this entire thing because right now I'm on the edge of just giving up.

 

[hithard]

How many women do you have in your life now?
How many women do you meet in a week?

 

[Tenacity]

How many women do you have in your life now?
How many women do you meet in a week?

Spinning 3 official plates, but it could turn to 5:

Plate 1: No kids, finances good, has a degree, interest is high, but has weight issues.

Plate 2: No kids, finances are bad, has no degree, interest is mild, but she's fine (at least to me).

Plate 3: No kids, finances are good, has a degree, interest is very high, but has weight issues.

Working On Plate: 1 kid, finances are bad, has no degree, interest is mild, but she's fine (at least to me).

Working On Plate: No kids, finances are good, has a degree, interest is mild, she's not fine but her looks aren't bad.

How many women per week? I don't keep track of it that much.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

My Development

This what I think you (and everybody else) should focus on most. The quality of the girl you get is DIRECTLY related to the quality you bring to the table.

Where I'm Meeting The Women At

As YOUR quality and skills improve, this will naturally improve as well, on it's own. Don't worry too much about this.

My Standards Are Too High

Don't ever lower your standards. In fact, as you increase in skill / quality, you should REDEFINE and even RAISE your standards. What you may think is HIGH QUALITY today might not be so much in five or ten years.

Let Time Play Out

Yes. Women have to hit it early. The older they get the less value they have. Men, on the other hand, IF THEY CHOOSE TO, will simply get better as we get older. Take your time. Go through three or four girls you think are pretty close to high quality, and then just revise your standards (and value) accordingly.

The Market Is Just Horrible

This is an excuse guys give themselves to keep from trying. As your qualities improve, so will the market. Right now, at your level, it may SEEM like a sellers market, but your job, as a man, is to INCREASE YOUR OWN VALUE until it suddenly seems like a buyers market.

If you're broke, every market sucks. But if you're rich, every market is YOURS.

 

[Married Buried]

Why not just bang escorts? Because she just had 3 other sausages in her mouth before she gets around to you.

 

[sodbuster]

The only problem today is you could have that problem with the amateurs as well....

 

[zekko]

Furthermore, online allows me to at least filter who I'm talking to, in person all I have to go on is how she looks but I have no idea if she has 7 kids from 7 different Convicted Felons.

I have no experience with online dating but I know a lot of women who use it. That's why I've come to the conclusion that online dating is full of liars. The girls who put "I'm not interested in one night stands" or "if you only want sex please don't respond" are usually the biggest slvts.

Anyway, it doesn't sound like your standards are too high, so I don't think that's the problem. Regarding women with children, once they get into their 30s it does get hard to find decent women who don't have kids. Somehow, I've been fortunate enough to have found a few. But you should remember that you don't need to be dating girls in their 30s. At 31, you shouldn't have any difficulty dating girls in their 20s. Sh!t, I'm 54 and I know for a fact there are girls in their 20s I could date.

I know Desdinova says that by 25 women are ruined, but I would actually prefer a girl in her late 20s, because by that time they are more mature.

Regarding time, I just read in another post that patience is a good thing, and I agree with that.

The Market Is Just Horrible: This has been my analysis. It's like a guy that's qualified and educated, trying to find a decent job in the Great Depression.

The market IS bad, but there were people who did well in the Great Depression. Like taiyuu says, don't use that as an excuse.

It's true feminism has caused a lot of the decrease in quality women, but it's not all feminism. The decline of morals and the decline of the nuclear family has played a big part, too. Of course, feminism has contributed to those declines, so there you go.

 

[Bokanovsky]

In a world with no STD's and no stigma attached to prostitution, banging escorts would be the most logical thing to do. However, we do not live in such a world. STD issues aside, banging escorts is just too damn depressing. You are banging some miserable drug addict with a broken life...it's hard not to feel negative about that whole situation (for me at least).

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

It's not the same. I like the chase almost as much as the catch.

I would imagine that I could lose my soul hanging around escorts.

Paying for sex certainly has its place. So long as you see it as ONLY sex. A nice rub-n-tug once in a while feels pretty good, empties out your boys all with little or no conversation.

It's when you pay them for the GFE (girl friend experience - I had to look that up) is when you start to lose your marbles.

 

[user43770]

If I found a safe, young, sexy pro, I'd probably bang her somewhat regularly. It's nice to always have pvssy a phone call away.

I certainly wouldn't give up day gaming, though. Approaching attractive, strange women is exhilarating.

 

[seasonedplayer]

You write well, reason smartly and seem to have a sense of humor. So nothing wrong with you, it's the women out there that are the problem. I am 37 and date girls as young as 22 and the younger they get, the more boring, entitled and unreasonable the women are. I agree with your post, escorts are the answer but it's good to have a regular now and then

Thanks for the responses guys and you are totally correct, solely focusing on Escorts is giving up because it would in some ways reduce down the level of gaming skills that I have been able to create throughout this time period. Even though I don't consider myself to have game lol, the women say I look relatively "cute" and I have a rather engaging personality, as well as the ability to keep a conversation going and get a girl wet throughout that conversation. That's really all I do, I don't do any type of magical seduction tricks.

But I'm getting different feedback from you guys and my conclusions might be different than yours. So I wanted to ask, which of the following (based on the info I've provided) do you think is MORE likely the problem on why I haven't found the Quality Chick I outlined?

- My Development: Maybe I'm not the great guy I am yet, and I have to continue becoming the great guy to find the great girl? But are the standards I have listed really that GREAT though? It's just a chick with no kids, a job that allows her to pay her own bills, she keeps herself looking decent, and the chick is loyal. Does having those standards make you some supreme GOOD woman though?

- Where I'm Meeting The Women At: Most of the women over the last 6 years came from online gaming, but I'm so good at it I'm not sure why to stop? If you guys think this is the problem, my question is where in person would I find more Quality Women that fit the criteria then that I don't already (or have been) sarging at? I sarged at College, I sarge in person at various places when I have the time and not rushing to get to one place/appointment to do so. My mentality is that the same chicks you meet (insert any place here, church, college, whereever) are also online in some capacity rather that be FB, Instagram, Match, POF, OKC, etc. So aren't I meeting the SAME women? Furthermore, online allows me to at least filter who I'm talking to, in person all I have to go on is how she looks but I have no idea if she has 7 kids from 7 different Convicted Felons. This is very similar to our firm and how we do business, MOST of the new clients are acquired without meeting them face to face, but using phone, email, and social media. We are in the Information Age and everybody is online, I'm not sure how that could be the problem?

- My Standards Are Too High: You know I talked to my mother about this over the holiday break, I will say this is the FIRST TIME in my existence I have been able to have a conversation like this with my mother. Most of the time she's just not that interested in discussing serious things with me, I guess since I have long left the nest and established myself (more successful than her and my Father btw), I guess now she respects me? But anyway, she says my standards are too high and that I shouldn't be looking for chicks without kids and that I shouldn't be so "turned off" by chicks who might be OVERWEIGHT, because that might be who "God" wants me to be with. Sounds like typical "chick" recommendations because when I would ask her does it make sense for a guy with no kids to settle with with a chick with 2 kids, she really had no answer for it lol. So what do you guys think? Are my standards too high and I should just drop them? Again, all I want is a chick with no kids, a job that allows her to pay her own bills, she keeps herself looking decent, and the chick is loyal.

- Let Time Play Out: Or, should I just give it more "time"? But what does that mean? I'm saying, is time a solution or something? Doesn't doing the same thing over and over that's not producing what you wanted, but expecting a different result somewhere down the line, the definition of insanity? I'm a business guy so I know all about how it takes a certain amount of "time" for the execution of a plan to workout, but come on, it doesn't take 6 years and RUNNING through all of these different women?

- The Market Is Just Horrible: This has been my analysis. It's like a guy that's qualified and educated, trying to find a decent job in the Great Depression. Is it accurate to say the reason he hasn't found a decent or quality job is because HE's the problem in some extent, or is the guy just a victim of a very bad Market of low quality jobs due to the surrounding "factors"? My analysis has been that due to Feminism, it has destroyed the quality of women overall. That's why I keep running into NON-QUALITY women, and keep running into women that are "uncooked" or with a "major glaring flaw" to them like a bunch of kids, horrible finances or horrible weight management. My boy Aaron Clarey even did a video about this same analysis which you guys can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvWsJmOmZ94, so if Aaron Clarey pointed this out as well, maybe my analysis is correct?

It would be totally different had I not have worked on myself to become of quality (based on the general market of black men I am at least in the top 5% when you put it all on paper) and have been OUT here with a lot of different women. Because of that, that's why I'm leading to the analysis I'm at over here. I quite honestly don't want it to be my conclusion, I'm hoping it IS something like I need to work on this or that, because it at least restores my hope in this entire thing because right now I'm on the edge of just giving up.

 

[MatureDJ]

I spend a lot of the year in Eastern Europe, where the price of regular escorts is doable by a regular man. While I still try to date regular women, being able to see an affordable escort definitely "takes the edge off", and I see myself as not putting up with much of the BS I used to put up with in the USA with dating women. I have an American friend who moved out here and got married (and had also used escorts before then, but at a much lower rate than me ), and he would say that using escorts too much makes a man a bit lazy in pursuing legitimate women. I will admit that I schedule any legitimate dates between the 4 day cycle that I typically follow for "dates" that I know that I will be getting a "happy ending" with.

 

[MatureDJ]

Why the Price of Escorts Is Falling

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-7

I know that in my Eastern European country, this price has been falling with the currency.

 

[MatureDJ]

Just thinking out of the box here.

If you have the time and money.. mostly time cause it's not that expensive.

Take some trips to places outside of the US. Medellin for example.
When u go don't rent a hotel, rent one of those nice looking condo's for a few days/weeks much cheaper and more luxurious!
visit the local clubs at night and you'll be surprised how many good looking girls live in Colombia. Order the most expensive bottle in the house.
usually about a 2 month salaries worth of the locals. and the girls will come swarming to you. After some fun just bring them up to your condo and bang them! they will stay and even make you breakfast in the morning. You can either let them tag a long for the rest of your vacation or go back to the club to get another. Either way a week trip 3 to 4 times a year with HB's who treat you like a king sounds 100 times better than banging some Escort.


p.s. i hope u can speak some spanish

Before I used to go visiting Eastern Europe, I would go skiing once a year or a total trip of a month in the Alps, with my flight going into Amsterdam or Frankfurt. I would spend a few days after arriving there, resetting my biological clock, and of course "cleaning my pipes", and then skiing for a few weeks, and then back a few more days at the pipe cleaners before flying home. I remember one particular trip when I was pretty horny and went to an "erotic club" in Innsbruck (the European form of a brothel) where the women wanting an incredibly high price - and one particular one was actively stroking my little head to get the big head from being so cheap. Fortunately the big head prevailed, and in return the little head stood at attention pretty much the entire trip back to Amsterdam. I ended up doing 6 in 14 hours one day (8 in a 30 hour period) (about $25 or $50 each time) when I got back, a records that I don't think I could possibly approach ever again.

 

[corrector]

Because an encounter with an escort can cause severe emotional trauma and panic attacks that could put you into emergency. Was out three weeks after an encounter. Each person's system is different.

It's a wonder how people, on here who have been with escorts haven't gone crazy or have a disturbance. My reaction is very uncommon. How do people manage to hold it together after an encounter like that?

 

[corrector]

I would imagine that I could lose my soul hanging around escorts.

That's why I wonder how come people are even comfortable recommending this on here? You seem to get it.

 

[Tenacity]

Okay guys, well, can you answer me this?

As a man with my current standing, what am I going to receive from "regular/unpaid" women that I'm not getting from Escorts?

My point here, is that I'm getting SUCH low value, benefits and features from regular/unpaid women, that the amount of value, benefits and features are on par with an Escort.

I understand that the chase, the communication skills, etc. are all stimulated with meeting new people in general, I understand that. I work in B2B sales, so my communication skills will never go away lol.

My issue is that I am getting such LOW value and minimal benefits and features from women I'm dating/having relations with, that I just don't understand what the issue is?

Matter of fact, in terms of "return on investment," EVERY relationship with a chick has been a LOSS. A lost of energy, money for dates, gas to take her on dates, and TIME entertaining her when I honestly could have been chasing/closing another deal. If I were to do the insanely STUPID thing and marry one of these chicks, the LOSSES would grow by 100X in terms of money lost, happiness eliminated, my personal space violated, a nagging chick I have to "cater to" that could care LESS about giving me a glass of water if I have a headache, etc.

I mean I listed out what could be the issue, is this just a bad market? Or am I missing something here? I just had to NEXT a chick here today who was just obessed with "getting married, getting married, getting married" and I'm like, I'm not getting married but I have no issue doing an LTR. The chick, because I won't get married, says she doesn't see HOW she can talk to a guy that won't marry her? I asked her (going on logic), why do you want to get married? Her answer was, "My parents are married and others I know are married, so I want to get married." I said that's a different generation and why shouldn't your motivation to get married be WEALTH BUILDING within a family tree, rather than a religious or societal or social motivation? Her total reasoning for getting married was a societal and social motivation.

The chick went onto say that she has the ability to BUILD me into a better man, in terms of making more money. She said, yes, I'm successful now, but if I were married I would be 3 times more successful. I asked her HOW?? She couldn't answer it.

Man, I just don't trust these people. I think this is a very bad market guys, I'm sorry. I think I'm going to have to get used to the reality that I'm going to be spinning plates until I die. Don't get it twisted now, I COULD JUST RUN OUT AND GET MARRIED. The problem is, will the marriage last and be happily ever after? Hell no. It will probably end in 5-10 years (IF NOT WAY SOONER) and my LOSSES will be 100X what they are now when I'm dealing with chicks.

 

[zekko]

Her total reasoning for getting married was a societal and social motivation.

The chick went onto say that she has the ability to BUILD me into a better man, in terms of making more money. She said, yes, I'm successful now, but if I were married I would be 3 times more successful. I asked her HOW?? She couldn't answer it.

She sounds vaguely deluded. Maybe she thinks that with her encouragement, and a good woman behind you, you will be more successful. Or maybe her intent is to stand back and nag you into working more hours, lol. Or maybe the whole thing is a big bait and switch.

Of course she wants to get married for societal and social motivation. That all works to her advantage, and she bears none of the risk. Relationships are one thing, but there's no way I could recommend getting married in today's climate. Even though I tried it once, but things weren't so bad then as they are now.

 

[user43770]

She sounds vaguely deluded. Maybe she thinks that with her encouragement, and a good woman behind you, you will be more successful. Or maybe her intent is to stand back and nag you into working more hours, lol. Or maybe the whole thing is a big bait and switch.

Of course she wants to get married for societal and social motivation. That all works to her advantage, and she bears none of the risk. Relationships are one thing, but there's no way I could recommend getting married in today's climate. Even though I tried it once, but things weren't so bad then as they are now.

I quoted zekko because I love his posts.

All women have a herd mentality, it's due to evolution. It's the same reason we men desire a woman's attention, validation and sex. Guess what women also desire: procuring a man's resources.

The older you get, the more you have to deal with evolutionary realities. When you're young, especially in the feminist age, you can get laid, and both sexes think that we're getting what we want. And we are in the short term, but then we get older and begin searching for a meaning in life.

Multiple sex partners affects women much more than it does men, which is their biggest downfall in the feminist age, but I think that the modern male's lack of propagation has a similar affect.

Not that I'm saying you should knock up a modern female. Like zekko said, it's a raw deal these days.

 

[seasonedplayer]

You are right. Chicks these days add zero value and getting worse by the day. My mum and her generation constantly ask why I am not married and I tell them women today are not like her generation or her parents generation. Quite frankly, women already started to deteriorate in my parents generation. They have this dillusional idea of endless vacations, endless new home appliances and a man that comes home from work at 5:30 nice and relaxed to care for the kids.

There is no upside to marriage, most guys don't even get sex. The only upside is if you really want kids

Okay guys, well, can you answer me this?

As a man with my current standing, what am I going to receive from "regular/unpaid" women that I'm not getting from Escorts?

My point here, is that I'm getting SUCH low value, benefits and features from regular/unpaid women, that the amount of value, benefits and features are on par with an Escort.

I understand that the chase, the communication skills, etc. are all stimulated with meeting new people in general, I understand that. I work in B2B sales, so my communication skills will never go away lol.

My issue is that I am getting such LOW value and minimal benefits and features from women I'm dating/having relations with, that I just don't understand what the issue is?

Matter of fact, in terms of "return on investment," EVERY relationship with a chick has been a LOSS. A lost of energy, money for dates, gas to take her on dates, and TIME entertaining her when I honestly could have been chasing/closing another deal. If I were to do the insanely STUPID thing and marry one of these chicks, the LOSSES would grow by 100X in terms of money lost, happiness eliminated, my personal space violated, a nagging chick I have to "cater to" that could care LESS about giving me a glass of water if I have a headache, etc.

I mean I listed out what could be the issue, is this just a bad market? Or am I missing something here? I just had to NEXT a chick here today who was just obessed with "getting married, getting married, getting married" and I'm like, I'm not getting married but I have no issue doing an LTR. The chick, because I won't get married, says she doesn't see HOW she can talk to a guy that won't marry her? I asked her (going on logic), why do you want to get married? Her answer was, "My parents are married and others I know are married, so I want to get married." I said that's a different generation and why shouldn't your motivation to get married be WEALTH BUILDING within a family tree, rather than a religious or societal or social motivation? Her total reasoning for getting married was a societal and social motivation.

The chick went onto say that she has the ability to BUILD me into a better man, in terms of making more money. She said, yes, I'm successful now, but if I were married I would be 3 times more successful. I asked her HOW?? She couldn't answer it.

Man, I just don't trust these people. I think this is a very bad market guys, I'm sorry. I think I'm going to have to get used to the reality that I'm going to be spinning plates until I die. Don't get it twisted now, I COULD JUST RUN OUT AND GET MARRIED. The problem is, will the marriage last and be happily ever after? Hell no. It will probably end in 5-10 years (IF NOT WAY SOONER) and my LOSSES will be 100X what they are now when I'm dealing with chicks.