Question for the Rich or Stylish amongst you

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As we are on a seduction forum these questions are aimed purely at male attractiveness. I want to make myself as attractive as possible in order to put in the least amount of effort necessary to get laid

Please don't give me the "just got out there and sarge man" generic response. Without going into too much detail (demanding job, consulting business on the weekends) I'm time poor so need high probability returns. I need to know that when I do go out, whether to a bar with work colleagues or a meal with friends, that if I bump into a potential plate I can maximise my chances. I'd rather spend $10k on an Omega or Rollie than waste a weekend "sarging at the mall". Dead serious. At least with material possessions you are getting a return, longevity and enjoyment.

Also please don't assume that I am not already a) spending money on things I'm passionate about (e.g. travel) or b) investing in income producing assets. I'm am doing all these things. This post is specific to what material, superficial, purchasable qualities and possessions attract women.

So in what order of importance would you rank the following:
  • Car
  • Clothes
  • Shoes
  • Cologne
  • House
  • Watches
  • Jewellery
  • Body (Health)
Feel free to add to the list.
 

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Body
Clothes
Shoes
House
Watches

The rest has little to do with it.

For quick ****s, mindgames is the most important one, in my list.
 

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Clothes
Shoes (The importance that women place on shoes is massive and beyond the awareness of most men.)
Swagger (Projected attitude)
Watch (Does not have to be Rolex... Just an interesting and stylish watch)

The rest is not important to a quality women. The lower the quality of the woman, the more cars and houses matter.
 
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The rest is not important to a quality women. The lower the quality of the woman, the more cars and houses matter.
I could see why a car wouldn't matter. Any intelligent person can see that it gets you from Point A to Point B.

But a house? Don't you need somewhere that's not in the ghetto, safe, and preferably own rather than rent? Most girls are stupid, though, and think that a "nice" apartment (there's no such thing) or a condo in the city are good buys.

If you're in the club, obviously a girl is going to see your clothes and not your house, but in reality, isn't a house on the top of that list?
 

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I could see why a car wouldn't matter. Any intelligent person can see that it gets you from Point A to Point B.

But a house? Don't you need somewhere that's not in the ghetto, safe, and preferably own rather than rent? Most girls are stupid, though, and think that a "nice" apartment (there's no such thing) or a condo in the city are good buys.

If you're in the club, obviously a girl is going to see your clothes and not your house, but in reality, isn't a house on the top of that list?
Man, you wouldn't know where women will **** you if they really like you. They will bang you in pub bars, backrooms, pub yards, garages, at the beach, in the car, outside of the car with the door open, in the city (right places and public sex turns most women on a lot even though they will not accept it).
 

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I could see why a car wouldn't matter. Any intelligent person can see that it gets you from Point A to Point B.

But a house? Don't you need somewhere that's not in the ghetto, safe, and preferably own rather than rent? Most girls are stupid, though, and think that a "nice" apartment (there's no such thing) or a condo in the city are good buys.

If you're in the club, obviously a girl is going to see your clothes and not your house, but in reality, isn't a house on the top of that list?
Definitely not. If your apartment is neat and clean, and in a relatively nice area, your personality will eclipse the importance of living quarters.

Like I said, the higher the quality of the woman, the less a house matters. It's how you present what you do have, that counts.
 

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  • Body
  • House
  • Shoes
  • Cologne
  • Jewelry
  • Watch
  • Clothes
I didn't add anything I took your list and put it in an order that makes sense to me

Body. You need to have her physical attraction before anything else.

House. You don't need to live in a mansion. But you want a nice and clean living space that promotes comfort for when you are ready to close the deal.

Shoes. I dont know why women care so much about shoes. But ive heard a lot of women say it's the first thing they look at when a guy approaches.

Cologne. Ditto. Want to smell good.

Jewelry status symbol. Keep it simple.
Expensive is fine, but expensive and simple.

Clothes are last for this reason: I feel like if you have a nice body, you will look better in a hanes white t-shirt, fitted jeans and sneakers than a guy with a bad body and $600 outfit on.

Pretend the Rock and Seth Rogan werent famous. Now imagine The Rock at the bar with a white t-shirt, a pair of levi's and vans.

Now picture Seth Rogan at the bar with a $3,000 suit on.
Who's gonna get the female attention?

That's why if you workout clothes arent so relevant.
 

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There was a great cologne thread a while back.

@Atom Smasher should post the link to his style threads. C'mon Atom, be shameless, they are good.

I'm a hot woman. Here are the things I notice in order of importance:

1. Grooming/Cleanliness: Breath, teeth, skin, clean fingernails/sharp haircut/well groomed facial hair. Neatness and cleanliness of car and residence, especially bathroom & if you have pets, is there pet hair everywhere. Your total presentation should be well groomed, neat and clean. Make your bed every day. These things show you care how you present yourself.

2. Fitness/Health/Body: The most attractive look on most men is lean, muscular & fit. Think of a professional futbol (soccer) player's physique, or a pro tennis player. That is the most universally attractive body type. Fitness shows commitment to your health and physical wellness.

3. Clothing: Should be stylish according to current trends but not too trendy. GQ or Esquire's ads or the Harold's or Nordstroms or Saks catalogues can give you a visual what's current. Some things are classic, like the crisp white dress shirt or the v-neck or crew neck solid colored t-shirt, but you want to give a nod to current style so your presentation is, well, current. Buy the best quality you can afford. Well heeled women notice fabrics, weave, tailored details, cuff links, all sorts of details. Wear 100% cotton or linen or cashmere or wool or silk. Women notice fabrics and feel fabrics. I can tell natural vs. man made material by touch. Natural is always better. Clothing conveys your sense of style (or lack thereof).

4. Shoes. As stated many places, shoes say a tremendous amount about a man without him saying a word. Get a great pair of brogues (look at Allen Edmonds for ideas) and if you can afford them, get hand stitched soles. Allen Edmonds are entry level for these type of shoes. If you can't afford Allen Edmonds or higher quality, get Cole Haan, Johnston & Murphy, Adam Boot, Etc. A couple of weeks ago I was out with a stylish physical therapist. He wore dark jeans, a solid color v neck t-shirt (which showed off his chest & muscular arms nicely), and gorgeous wingtip brogues that were subtle 2 tone tan linen/tooled walnut leather with a stacked, handstitched sole. Best looking shoes I have seen on a man (that I didn't pick out) in years. Shoes say about a man to a woman what men *think* a car says about them. Get the best shoes you can afford. You are better off in $500 shoes and a $500 dollar watch than you are in $99 shoes and a 10K watch. Never ever EVER wear running shoes unless you are going running. You'll ruin your whole image and embarrass the people you are out with, especially women.

5. Cologne: Smell clean first and foremost. But a complimentary cologne is sexy and adds a layer of sophistication to your look. I still haven't figured out how to paste threads in here but there is a good thread about cologne in the past year or so that is worth reading.

6. Watch/Jewelry: An artist I go out with wears Johnny Depp type sterling silver rings on various fingers. It's a gritty, sexy look for a creative guy whose hands are a little rough from his work & his art. Your jewelry and/or watch says very individual things about you. Pick things that fit with who you are & your general style. You wouldn't generally wear a Cartier tank watch with artsy sterling silver rings. Instead you'd wear cuff links.

7. Residence: Where ever you live keep it clean. Hire housekeepers if necessary. Do not have clutter. Neatness & cleanliness say the most whether you live on billionaire's beach in Malibu or in a modest apartment. You do want as safe an area as you can afford, but there can be exceptions (loft on skid row or lower Manhattan, NYC) for example. Stay out of the hood and out of marginal areas. You want a woman to feel safe at your place.

8. Car: Buy a car for function first. Keep it clean inside and out. Trash in a Rolls is even more unsightly than trash in a Toyota. Cars are depreciating assets. That's why they have lowest priority. If an expensive or image conscious car is important to you, then buy it IF you can afford it, but realize BMWs and the like are expensive to maintain. And be congruent. Don't live in a trailer park & drive a Ferrari. You'll look like a try hard if your car is more luxe than you crib.

Also important is your demeanor & how you carry yourself. If you are comfy in your own skin & comport yourself with self assurance you'll do just great.

To your success BTC & each of you. Now and always.

Cheers
 
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There was a great cologne thread a while back.

@Atom Smasher should post the link to his style threads. C'mon Atom, be shameless, they are good.

I'm a hot woman. Here are the things I notice in order of importance:

1. Grooming/Cleanliness: Breath, teeth, skin, clean fingernails/sharp haircut/well groomed facial hair. Neatness and cleanliness of car and residence, especially bathroom & if you have pets, is there pet hair everywhere. Your total presentation should be well groomed, neat and clean. Make your bed every day. These things show you care how you present yourself.

2. Fitness/Health/Body: The most attractive look on most men is lean, muscular & fit. Think of a professional futbol (soccer) player's physique, or a pro tennis player. That is the most universally attractive body type. Fitness shows commitment to your health and physical wellness.

3. Clothing: Should be stylish according to current trends but not too trendy. GQ or Esquire's ads or the Harold's or Nordstroms or Saks catalogues can give you a visual what's current. Some things are classic, like the crisp white dress shirt or the v-neck or crew neck solid colored t-shirt, but you want to give a nod to current style so your presentation is, well, current. Buy the best quality you can afford. Well heeled women notice fabrics, weave, tailored details, cuff links, all sorts of details. Wear 100% cotton or linen or cashmere or wool or silk. Women notice fabrics and feel fabrics. I can tell natural vs. man made material by touch. Natural is always better. Clothing conveys your sense of style (or lack thereof).

4. Shoes. As stated many places, shoes say a tremendous amount about a man without him saying a word. Get a great pair of brogues (look at Allen Edmonds for ideas) and if you can afford them, get hand stitched soles. Allen Edmonds are entry level for these type of shoes. If you can't afford Allen Edmonds or higher quality, get Cole Haan, Johnston & Murphy, Adam Boot, Etc. A couple of weeks ago I was out with a stylish physical therapist. He wore dark jeans, a solid color v neck t-shirt (which showed off his chest & muscular arms nicely), and gorgeous wingtip brogues that were subtle 2 tone tan linen/tooled walnut leather with a stacked, handstitched sole. Best looking shoes I have seen on a man (that I didn't pick out) in years. Shoes say about a man to a woman what men *think* a car says about them. Get the best shoes you can afford. You are better off in $500 shoes and a $500 dollar watch than you are in $99 shoes and a 10K watch. Never ever EVER wear running shoes unless you are going running. You'll ruin your whole image and embarrass the people you are out with, especially women.

5. Cologne: Smell clean first and foremost. But a complimentary cologne is sexy and adds a layer of sophistication to your look. I still haven't figured out how to paste threads in here but there is a good thread about cologne in the past year or so that is worth reading.

6. Watch/Jewelry: An artist I go out with wears Johnny Depp type sterling silver rings on various fingers. It's a gritty, sexy look for a creative guy whose hands are a little rough from his work & his art. Your jewelry and/or watch says very individual things about you. Pick things that fit with who you are & your general style. You wouldn't generally wear a Cartier tank watch with artsy sterling silver rings. Instead you'd wear cuff links.

7. Residence: Where ever you live keep it clean. Hire housekeepers if necessary. Do not have clutter. Neatness & cleanliness say the most whether you live on billionaire's beach in Malibu or in a modest apartment. You do want as safe an area as you can afford, but there can be exceptions (loft on skid row or lower Manhattan, NYC) for example. Stay out of the hood and out of marginal areas. You want a woman to feel safe at your place.

8. Car: Buy a car for function first. Keep it clean inside and out. Trash in a Rolls is even more unsightly than trash in a Toyota. Cars are depreciating assets. That's why they have lowest priority. If an expensive or image conscious car is important to you, then buy it IF you can afford it, but realize BMWs and the like are expensive to maintain. And be congruent. Don't live in a trailer park & drive a Ferrari. You'll look like a try hard if your car is more luxe than you crib.

Also important is your demeanor & how you carry yourself. If you are comfy in your own skin & comport yourself with self assurance you'll do just great.

To your success BTC & each of you. Now and always.

Cheers
Hahahaha. She calls HERSELF hot.

Is that your real picture? You're not hot.

And she's 48 years old calling HERSELF hot!!!

They never cease to amaze me.
 

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Hahahaha. She calls HERSELF hot.

Is that your real picture? You're not hot.

And she's 48 years old calling HERSELF hot!!!

They never cease to amaze me.
Yes that is my real picture. The market tells me I'm hot. It always has. It still does. I'm very lucky with great genetics so quite fortunate that way. I don't care if you find me hot or not. Beauty is subjective. Many men find me attractive. I make no apologies for that.
 

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Don't live in a trailer park & drive a Ferrari. You'll look like a try hard if your car is more luxe than you crib.
I recall seeing shabby houses in poor neighborhoods, with late model sports cars lined up and down the block. The houses were nicer than the cars, and you just knew
a) the cars weren't paid for, and
b) they were spending most of their budget on the vehicle.
Don't spend your money foolishly.

As I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate comfort, luxury, and reliability in a car, more so than style. Sports cars are the worst. They cost extra for insurance, and are usually cramped and uncomfortable. Which is not to say that young girls don't like them.
 

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I recall seeing shabby houses in poor neighborhoods, with late model sports cars lined up and down the block. The houses were nicer than the cars, and you just knew
a) the cars weren't paid for, and
b) they were spending most of their budget on the vehicle.
Don't spend your money foolishly.

As I've gotten older, I've come to appreciate comfort, luxury, and reliability in a car, more so than style. Sports cars are the worst. They cost extra for insurance, and are usually cramped and uncomfortable. Which is not to say that young girls don't like them.
Sounds like you are kind of jealous of these people with nice cars. So what if they are choosing to spend their discretionary income on a vehicle, if it's what makes them happy then let them be. In addition, cars these days are just too expensive to just walk in a dealership and straight up pay cash for. In addition, No shvt Sherlock! why the **** would I drop 40k and up all at once on an item that's going to lose its value as soon as you take it off the lot.
 

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1). Body - If you are good looking then you don't really need to do much to attract women. Women will magnetically flock to you regardless of what you are wearing, driving, and etc.

2). Car- The people on this thread hating on cars most likely don't own a nice car. Nice cars attract attention from people. Once I told my GF I bought a GT mustang, she couldn't wait to ride it and also couldn't wait to **** me after I took her for a ride in it. Bottom line, a car and a house are two most expensive things you will most likely own and women are going to see your car first. Once they figure out your that guy with the nice BMW parked outside the restaurant then that's going to turn them on tremendously
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3. House- House is important because having a nice pad in a trendy area full of single women can help you out logistic wise. Otherwise, if you aren't living in a popular spot of town then a house drops to the bottom of the list.

4.Clothes, Shoes, and other appearance items
- These items are important because they are the first thing a person sees in you. Just keep a neat nice appearance and you'll be fine. Paying premium in this section is unnecessary unless you are trying to hang out with extremely rich people.

In summary, every thing is important and if you are bashing one then you don't know what the **** you are talking about.
 
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Note: I am not rich but am considered by many stylish.
  • Body (Health) - If you don't have your health you have nothing
  • House (or Apartment or tent) - You need a place to stay
  • Clothes - If you don't have a suit you can't get a job
  • Car - If you don't have a car (or money for Uber) you need transportation
  • Shoes - You will be judged by your shoes in dating and business.
  • Watches - I always wear a watch, provided I have the above.
  • Jewelery (Aside from cuff links you don't need much)
  • Cologne (Do not use Cologne - use essential oils like Sandalwood or Lavendar)
 

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When I'm at a club/bar here is what women compliment on the most in order of occurrence:

Cologne
Body
Shoes/Watch
Clothes
Jewelry

I have a very nice high end sports car that attracts a ton of attention(mostly from the wrong type of girl). The problem is, women don't know I have this car when I'm inside some bar/club/lounge. But if I'm driving down the street they notice and stick their head in the car if I'm stopped. If I'm at the valet in front of a restaurant/bar, they approach me even after they ignored me when we were inside the bar.

There was a time I had a broken leg and was on crutches. that got women approaching me left and right. They had an instant opener and felt sympathetic towards me right from the start. All I had to do was lean up against the bar top and women flocked to me with my crutches. It didn't get any easier than that.

Also when I go to 80's rock concerts I wear this 80's rocker wig. Its blonde, curly, big, and wild. I usually wear some tight pants with it. Girls love it. Their opening line is "can I have your autograph?". I've had 3 or 4 girls at once flirting with me.

So get you some crutches, 80's rocker wig and live it up.

There was a time I never got compliments on my body, clothes, shoes, or cologne. But I do now because I've refined my look. My point is, all of that stuff is relatively cheap. The only thing that requires work to obtain is a nice body. If you aren't getting compliments from girls on these things, then you aren't wearing the right stuff. Because when you have the right stuff on, they will compliment.
 
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2). Car- The people on this thread hating on cars most likely don't own a nice car. Nice cars attract attention from people. Once I told my GF I bought a GT mustang, she couldn't wait to ride it and also couldn't wait to **** me after I took her for a ride in it. Bottom line, a car and a house are two most expensive things you will most likely own and women are going to see your car first. Once they figure out your that guy with the nice BMW parked outside the restaurant then that's going to turn them on tremendously
Wasn't my experience at all, had a $100k car at 25 and while it did get a lot of attention most girls are aware of the gold digger image and it will most of the time work against you. Atleast here in my area and with the girls that I go for. Point is I think that a new Mustang GT will do you a lot better than a supercar will.
 

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Wasn't my experience at all, had a $100k car at 25 and while it did get a lot of attention most girls are aware of the gold digger image and it will most of the time work against you. Atleast here in my area and with the girls that I go for. Point is I think that a new Mustang GT will do you a lot better than a supercar will.
What car was it
 

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Pretend the Rock and Seth Rogan werent famous. Now imagine The Rock at the bar with a white t-shirt, a pair of levi's and vans.

Now picture Seth Rogan at the bar with a $3,000 suit on.
Who's gonna get the female attention?

That's why if you workout clothes arent so relevant.
Be fair though. The Rock vs Leonardo DiCaprio. Now let's see who cleans up. I agree with what you're saying though, being physically fit will certainly help, but give me a break though, no one is going to dedicate themselves so much to the point of actually looking like the Rock in terms of his physical capabilities.

One thing I disagree with the OP on is he is already stating that he is willing to throw serious money at this problem, to the point he's spending more than $10k to address the issue. If you search for my threads, you'll find one from a while back discussing the purchase of a couple new suits. I didn't buy them to pick up women though, but they aren't hurting anything either. However, if you think women can't discern the difference between cheap clothes/accessories and the more expensive stuff, well I've got news for you. It's practically in their genes. Just like damn near every guy will get an instant boner the moment even a semi-attractive woman with a double-D rack starts rubbing her tits on us, it's genetic. You start going around relying on expensive stuff to compensate for a majority of your game, two things are going to happen:

1) Your game will suffer to some extent because you're relying on 'things' to compensate. Women will come to you to socialize but you'll likely have trouble closing the deal.

2) The type of women you will attract will likely be gold diggers. That's fine if you just want a few plates, but if you're wanting something more serious, you are already screwing yourself over.
 
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