I've been in bed with a girl once...the first girl I dated and we were fooling around (she was down to her panties...on her period) and we did everything (except I didn't go down on her but she did for me) and it was weird to be honest...for me it was an emotional type thing because I "liked" her...yeah liked her looks a lot, but more in a romantic type way than a sexual type way. The actual foreplay stuff wasn't a big deal for me other than the fact that it was with a girl I liked and cared about. (We started fighting several days later over other stuff and broke up a week or two after that so the sex never happened...so it was just a matter of bad luck.)
Looking back on it, I could have kept my mouth shut (I have a tendency to let my opinions out...kind of like George in Seinfeld) and maybe the sex would have happened soon thereafter...but it would have been a disaster anyway...I had strong feelings for her...I was just the cute guy she was dating at the moment to her, nothing more, nothing less...so I'm kind of glad it wasn't with her.
I guess I'm just wondering if straight up sex with someone you don't really respect but think is sexually attractive is as good as the guys in the main forum would make you believe that it would be worth putting up with shady behavior to get to that point?
After I lose the vcard, whenever I do, I might just pay a hot escort for that type of sex...I mean when you think about it, with a free hot douche girl, you're paying with time, stress, and money in different ways anyway.