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Originally posted by Bile
how's it going with the aproaches....???
really nice work...
I was kinda thinkin about somethin like this to try out,
but my aproach would sound somethin more like this:

me: hi!!
her:hi!
me: mind if i ask you two things???
her: no, what??
me:eek:ne, whats your name, and second, are u free at friday??

Im oughta try this out at a really nice hottie(maybe even a 10, but thats just self judged)
I have seen at the bus.

what are u thinkin about this one...??
btw to those who read my other post. yes Im kinda cross-workin
this one...second I need somethin to do if it turns out the girl i wanna dated dont wanna date me:D (checkout the post "rejected, should I ask her again?" if you dont understand)
thanks for a gr8 post...
Hey... what´s the name of your sister and is she free at friday? [...] Aha, and what about you?

>> Try your idea out and see if it works for you. As we all know it is not as much what we say, but HOW we say it. If she is like "wow, he´s it. Never thought I would meet JamesBond real live" you´ll be in the game.

But anyway: I see some problems by asking your two questions, because she knows nothing about you and has already to decide, if she should give you the promise for a date. From her view it would be like "Ah okay, don´t know your name stranger, but anyway, I am hb10 and of course I have time at friday. It´s up to you what we´ll do".

Do you see the point: Chances are good, the girl would feel kind of sleazy like she is easy to get, let´s say maybe she would feel like a b*tch as to exaggerate, even if she would like to date you.

And to the "are you free question": Under circumstances, it is better to offer her an idea and give her the chance to join you, instead of simple asking if she has time. The latter sounds a bit needy like "I have of course time and it would be soo great if you would give me some of your valuable time..." (to exagerate again, of course the line is not that bad...;)). Also it sounds too much like a realy serious date offer (like some nearly officially). If you want to initiate a date with a girl after she has seen you for 5 seconds, it is a good idea to make it kind of playful and not binding.

Alternative:

you: [walking over to her, kind of slight smile and look like you are already familiar with her, like you already would know her and want to say hallo] >>> "Hey" <<<

she: <<< "Hi" >>> [pobably insecure and a bit reserved, because she don´t know what´s going on and maybe she is thinking if it´s an approach or if she already should know you or what the hell otherwise is going on]

you: >>> "I have seen you from over there (point to a place), so I came over to you." <<<

[go half of a step backwards or to the side, change your position a little bit and then look at her like you would examine her (you can do that for real), but don´t look like a freaky psycho. By this you will create some mystery (she will become curious about what will happen).]

After this little break say: >>> "I want to introduce myself" <<< [little pause], I am [firstname +(!) surname] >> [saying your whole name in a way like you give her a very important information (and indeed that´s exactly what you do, maybe she is talking with the future father of her children and she should absolutely know his name) is a good way to establish trust early on. Be serious by saying it.] >>> Offer her your hand and hold her hand a tick longer as usual.

she: <<< [her name] >>>

you: >>> "[her name] I am on my way, but on Friday I´ll be at [a place of your choice]. Why don´t you join me for a cup of coffee? <<<

[wait how she reacts.}

If she says "okay": exchange numbers but give her a call one day later, that you cannot go for a drink that day because you have to do... , but offer her an interesting opportunity. Maybe tell her you will do something interesting or extraordinary whereto she will ask you some questions but answer her questions short and don´t try to impress her, no way!

if she says "no time" or she gives you another excuse (maybe she has realy no time, that´s the problem by mention a special date): "Okay, maybe we can talk anytime else. So [her name], give me your numer [and give her something to write by saying this.]
 

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Yo Pug this is a great journal, It shows you are really starting to get it. By getting rejected and not discouraged, you are slowly getting more confident and the women are obviously reading it.

You also have alot of guts posting your picture and stating you are a husky guy.

Keep it going with the approaches and keep up to date about the chick you got her number with, and don't get discouraged we are here with you.

Keep up the good work Pug!
 

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...and @ Pug: There are many men outside in the world, which when they finally die with 90 never in their whole life have done an approach like you have done today and so they never had the success you have had today.

THUMB UP!! :D :cool:
 

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Freeking great. Go dude!!

Incendently, I never give a girl my number, because then the "ball" is in her court. I want all the control.
 

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Originally posted by WesCottII
Freeking great. Go dude!!

Incendently, I never give a girl my number, because then the "ball" is in her court. I want all the control.
Germany? wo wohnst du?
 

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Ich wohne in Berlin, aber ich bin Englisch.
 

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good going on the # close, keep it up reading this stuff is good insperation
 

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Yo Pugs!!

Mad props to you man!! Keep on going, you're going to be the mack daddy someday very soon.

Romeo
 

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yeah man I am like you

someday I will breakthrough the mind-playing game inside me :)
 

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Overcoming your fears like this is a great thing. A lot of it is not even about the results (getting a number is nice tho, don't get me wrong) but rather the fact you were scared sh!tless and didn't back down. You refused to say no and give in to your fears...and you accomplished what you wanted. That feeling afterwards is probably one of the greatest feelings of all....when you know you overcame your fear. Getting the results from it is only icing on the cake.

I urge any of you to overcome your fears. All of us have been scared to the point of excruciation, but only certain times do we charge in full boar and don't back down to our fears. If you haven't done that extra 'push' to overcome your fears lately, I urge you guys to do so because many of you should know how good it feel afterwards. Plus it is a great way to build confidence.
 

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really, really thanks for the tips milkman...
Im gonna try some stuff out some of these days when I get the time to do so(gotta do my schoolwork first u know:p)
 

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Day 2 Approach 1

Hey fellas, I know you all are anticipating more approaches from me,

well yesterday I had about 45mins to do approaches, I got off work at 6pm and had a business meeting at 7:15pm , and it was a 30 min drive.

But I did manage to get one approach done in that short period of time.....


I was in Borders bookstore and I walked in and saw a chick at a standalone booth with books and I choked on the 3 secs rule......and I didn't approach her, I'm still not comfortable at all in situations like that, but I will bite the bullet soon enough and do one..... I am too hellbent on getting the right situation and I feel " vunerable in a standalone shelf as opposed to something like an aisle......

Here was the contact.....I saw a cute chick from afar walking around brunette a high 7, very low 8, she was cute, I had the oppurtunity to approach her several times but, as I tend to do "it wasn't the right situation.....well I was stationary on the end of an aisle when she started walking my direction and then she turned my direction and as she walked right past the end of my aisle I looked at her and said "

Me: Excuse me......
Her: Yeh
Me: Do you mind if I ask you a question?
Her: Yeh go ahead
Me: Paused for about 1.5 secs and started to crack a sly smile "Are you single"?
Her: Started smiling as soon as I did and then said "No, sorry"
Me: (Don't ask me why I said this) "Are you sure?" said with a smile and a joking tone....
Her: Smiling, Yeh I am actually here right now with my BF....
Me: Oh ok, Just wanted to make sure....it was good meeting you...
Her: You too have a good day

She was telling the truth, I saw her with her BF several times walking around and then leaving.....I kinda though she did but wasn't sure....anyways NEXT!!!!!!!!

I have much more time tonight so I will get many more done

Approaches: 6
Numbers: 1
Dates: 0

Pugs
 

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good I was getting worried you gave up on us. Maybe they should rename borders to hookup central :D Have you thought about trying somewhere else just to mix it up a little
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Pugs-
Here's a nice intro for PU at a bookstore:

You: Excuse me, can I ask you a ?
Her: Sure
You: My aunt is turning 50 soon, and I'm looking for a book to get her, but I'm not sure what to get her. You seem like an avid reader, what what you suggest?
(here she might ask her interests, be generic)
Her: Well what are her hobbies, fav things to do?
You: You know cooking, travel, she's pretty boring actually. I'm open to ideas, what types of books do you like to read?
(This shifts the angle to HER, now she's talking about herself, which girls love to do)
Her: Well I like blah, blah, blah
You: Really, what go you into interested in blah blah blah
(Hopefully by now you've built some rapport/kino and can improv from here, if not I'll be happy to write the rest of the role-play..... or not :)


Bookstores can be money for picking up girls; however, it can be awkward to just say "Hi, are you single"...cuz she knows you ARENT THERE TO READ, BUT TO MACK ON GIRLS which = loser with no time on his hands. If you at least PRETEND to be shopping for your "aunt" you look giving and worldly, but also a man who's not afraid to approach.

Great job so far though.
 

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Originally posted by Broham
Pugs-
Here's a nice intro for PU at a bookstore:

You: Excuse me, can I ask you a ?
Her: Sure
You: My aunt is turning 50 soon, and I'm looking for a book to get her, but I'm not sure what to get her. You seem like an avid reader, what what you suggest?
(here she might ask her interests, be generic)
Her: Well what are her hobbies, fav things to do?
You: You know cooking, travel, she's pretty boring actually. I'm open to ideas, what types of books do you like to read?
(This shifts the angle to HER, now she's talking about herself, which girls love to do)
Her: Well I like blah, blah, blah
You: Really, what go you into interested in blah blah blah
(Hopefully by now you've built some rapport/kino and can improv from here, if not I'll be happy to write the rest of the role-play..... or not :)


Bookstores can be money for picking up girls; however, it can be awkward to just say "Hi, are you single"...cuz she knows you ARENT THERE TO READ, BUT TO MACK ON GIRLS which = loser with no time on his hands. If you at least PRETEND to be shopping for your "aunt" you look giving and worldly, but also a man who's not afraid to approach.

Great job so far though.
Good idea to get into a conversation and practice some FLUFF TALK!

I have some comments:

Originally posted by Broham
Bookstores can be money for picking up girls; however, it can be awkward to just say "Hi, are you single"...cuz she knows you ARENT THERE TO READ, BUT TO MACK ON GIRLS which = loser with no time on his hands.
Great job so far though.
By experience I have learned one thing: Girls - and especially hot girls - EXACTLY know when or that you approach them. It happend not often but sometimes, it actually happened, that girls directly approached me. And I can say you, one knows within seconds what is going on. When people argue, girls would "SMELL" that what you are saying to her/what you are asking is only an EXCUSE to get her number later. I for my own believe: They are right.

See it this way: When you are talking to someone and the persons asks you something like "What books can you recommend me for my aunt?" and you are polite and disposed to help the person. And you go into yourself and think about all the books you have read and also you think about books friends have one mentioned. And after a while of exhausting thinking you say: Hey, I have it. It´s "Book A" or "Book B". But I would highly recommend you Book A. I am absoutely sure that would be a great present for your aunt, because....

The persons says thanks and turns the convo into "it was nice talking to you, give me your number and sometimes we can continue our convo about [topic of the book or what the hell else"].

Maybe you will give the number, and maybe you have realy enjoyed talking to this person. But you will question youself: Hmm, actually, I wonder if the person was serious with all these questions about my favourite books, was it only an excuse to get my number. Was it like a TRICK? Have I tryed to help him and have I done my very best to make his present for his aunt a success, but it´s not realy his aunt´s birthday? Hmm, weird, he went out of the store without bying the book, will he order it via the internet?

That will be in the person´s -and let´s say the girl´s- mind and often: She will SMELL what was going on [sometimes she knows it before you have said your first world and it is a ame for her to find out what for a kind of EXCUSE you will use. (never think in a case of a hottie, noone before had a similar idea to get in contact with her).

And even if it´s all working for you: chances are good you have catapult yourself directly into the nice-guy-only-friendship-category. It´s difficult when you start a convo in such a way to turn this into "hey babe, let´s meet later on at my house, you give me a massage and then I´ll fvck the hell out of you".

There are only three chances:

1. She thinks: okay, he approaches me and uses an excuse to get in contact with me.

>>> Depends on the women, but some women will think: In THIS case you are Loser. Not really a big one, because you had the guts to talk to her. But does a REAL Man need an excuse? (And she will think: why the hell have I answered his questions about local history books when he wasn´t really listening and in his mind he was just masturbating over the imagnation of a girl like me he can only talk to by using an EXCUSE.)

2. She thinks: oh, at first, he was only looking for a present for his aunt, I helped him and within the 2 minutes we talked, he suddenly recognised that he thinks I am interesting. (Hmm, would the same have happened if he had asked the 90year old woman who was standing directly next to him and who looked like she maybe better knows what older people are interesting in...).

>>> Some people believe in the man on the moon (or in men that SUDDENLY notice, they are talking with a hb 10).

3. She thinks about nothing more, she has thougt enough by answering all your difficult questions about her opinions (has any women really an opinion towards anything?;)). Now, she is too tired to aditionally write you her number down.

>>> you save a piece of paper and you can invest it in a women, that doesn´t think she has a new best friend to talk to about all the exciting stuff, all her friends say, it would be boring like hell.


Is it really a PROBLEM, when it is obvious that you approach her. When you are DIRECT. But when you make it in a way that shows you are an interesting person, a cool guy and: A REAL MAN.

Are you really a Loser, when you are in bookstore or anywhere else and you see a women you think you could like and you directly forget about books and only thinks within a second: I HAVE TO KNOW HER. And you go over to her and say: Hi, I have seen you and I have the want to introduce myself, but I have a question to ask you: Are you single? ... But unfortunately I have no time to marry you now, I have a lot of work to do and half of the word is waiting for me. So give me your number and I let you know when I have found names for our ten children...


To bring it to the point: Dudes, don´t make the mistake and misprize the effect of being direct (of course in a proper way).

Originally posted by Broham
If you at least PRETEND to be shopping for your "aunt" you look giving and worldly, but also a man who's not afraid to approach.
There are some examples of direct convo in this thread. TEST them in practice and see if they work for you. Chances are good they will. If they will: lucky man. If not: who cares... it´s experience...but at least you will no longer look like a man who is not afraid to approach. You WILL BE this man.

Good luck!
milkman
 

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Originally posted by milkman
^^^^^^^^^^^
Have you field tested this? It sounds very logical and .... are women really that logical?

The senerios are this
from the moment she sees you she has:
  • high interest Anything you say is money almost
    low interest better build up the attraction somehow
    no interest next.

I am optimistic and I believe every women, unless in a great relationship or lesbian or whatever, is interested in you at some level.

The question is how do you build attraction in the first meeting to have her anticipate your call?

Is it in what you say? How you say it? Body language? How squinty your eyes are?

This is like the ultimate question for the cold approach.

Anyway, keep up the good work.
 

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Milkman- fyi, I never use a piece of paper to get a girls #. I would expect our man here and all aspiring DJs to use their cell phones. Seriously, who walks around with a paper and a pen these days?!?

Like Canni asked, are girls that logical? NO, if done right, they'll be caught off-guard, hopefully de-***** shielded, and willing to "help". If she's attracted to you, then she'll be happy to share info on herself that you ask for. If she gives closed ended responses (yes/no) she doenst want to give info and is prolly not interested. Also, you should be reading her body language, that's even more important than her words! This isn't rocket science.


The purpose of my intro story, which I have used in the past, was to show that one must establish rapport to even think about getting a date/#. Plan to be talking to these ho's for at least 20 minutes. It sucks, but unless you are a 10 in looks, they aren't going to give a # someone who asks if they're single. This IS where logic comes in. To them, you could be a stranger who could be a.) a stalker b.) a rapist c.) a psycho d.) all of the above.

So, my point is that she not only needs to feel attraction, but comfortable in your presence. Those two are not mutually exclusive, either.
 

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Broham read up!!!

Broham here was your post that you made here

The purpose of my intro story, which I have used in the past, was to show that one must establish rapport to even think about getting a date/#. Plan to be talking to these ho's for at least 20 minutes. It sucks, but unless you are a 10 in looks, they aren't going to give a # someone who asks if they're single. This IS where logic comes in. To them, you could be a stranger who could be a.) a stalker b.) a rapist c.) a psycho d.) all of the above.

And here is my response taken from the original mack daddy of the 100 approach journal the original guy who did this, Jwhite17:



Long answer: This is a big misconception on this board; you don't need rapport to get a NUMBER. It isn't hard to get a girl to give you her number if she is attracted to you. Yes, I did use the "Are you single" approach because that is my style and it works for ME. I actually practice spontanious openers on different chicks(ex. in a line for food) and can get a convo going and possibly a number if I wanted, but I choose not to because I'm not attracted to them as much as I want(high standards!). I think of the number as a step leading up to a date and so on.

Im a striaghtforward guy, I don't beat around the bush.....Don't be an undercover DJ, she already knows why your talking to her......and it will just come across as being sleazy, a wuss, or both.....I am not going to hide my intentions and the thing is this approach catches them off gaurd soo badly that they don't have a ***** shield up anyways........ You don't need rapport to get a number, a date, or a GF.....don't be an undercover DJ, the only reason people beat around the bush like that is because they are scared of what other people might think if they are straighforward...and the looks they'll get, I know this cause I used to be like that, and my biggest fear in doing these approaches is what "they" might think and thats why Im doing these approaches, to get rid of that fear.....

I am going to tweak the approach though and try out some diff variations of a straightforward approach like this and see what works and what doesn't.


And the way i get numbers, is I am always wearing a blazer sportcoat when I am doing this...and I just pull out my pen and a business card and turn it over and give her the pen to write her number on the back of my card......She wouldn't be able to figure out how to program my phone anyways, its a Startac.


Pugs:rolleyes:
 
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