Psychological explanation of Alpha/Beta character developements ....

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Part of a paper I wrote for a psychology class ... enjoy ...

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Some secular sources say that to attract women you must be the Alpha male. They often follow
by using a Beta male comparison, explaining something to the effect that they are groveling
sidekicks, who beg for scraps and get no attention or sex from females. They stereotype them
as incompetant, unable to fight for themselves and incapable to feel a sense of belonging.

In actuality, this description is not necessarily the start of a Beta male; it really
describes the basic development of an Alpha type personality. While it is true that beta
types do often become stepping stones and doormats, they typically receive a basic
reinforcement and positive level of feedback that Alpha types fail to receive in their
pre-adolescent developement. The psychologist Erik Erickson refers to this stage of
development as 'Industry vs. Inferiority.'According to his theory, if children do not
receive positive social feedback during this stage, they could form an inferiority
complex and lack developmental understanding of individuality and self-awareness later
in life. On the other hand, children who make friends, feel accepted, and feel competent
during this time develope a greater level of self understanding and awareness, and have
little trouble forging an identity.

While this may seem like an odd comparison, human psychology holds some amazing paralles.
In psychosexual theory, as defined by Freud and Erikson, Alpha type male personalities
form from the lack of self-esteeme envoked during the latency and genital stages of development,
causing them to develop tools to hide their lack of self-esteeme and worth [arrogence, ****iness],
control is more important than taking risk with their outlook being majorly pessimistic and minorly
optomistic, which adds to mystery and sex appeal.

On the other hand, Beta type personalities maintain a higher level of self-esteeme and
attract girls with good self esteeme. Confidence is real and apparent, risk is more often
taken and there is a good deal of trust. The primary outlook is majorly optomistic and
minorly pessimistic, which promotes a safe enviroment succeptable to change.

In both cases, Alpha and Beta type personalities develop during the latency and genital
stages of development depending upon biological and enviromental factors regardless of
gender [so there are alpha male/females and beta male/females]. In almost all cases, you
will often find that Alpha types attract Alpha types and Beta types attract Beta types.
However, you will occasionally find Alpha types and Beta type attractions based upon
misunderstandings of character, such as a Beta female mistaking an Alpha male for Beta or
an Alpha female mistaking a Beta male for Alpha. Henry Maslow, one of the first
psychochologist to do detailed studies on primate and human behaviour, observed that
it was in fact the Beta monkies that received the most sex and attention from females.
The Alpha types, the bigger more agressive monkies, were so busy fighting other Alpha
monkies they only managed to receive casual attention from female monkies.
Nevertheless, to say that all women are attracted to one type of male, whether Alpha
or Beta is absolutly poposterious. Both Alpha and Beta type Males receive attention
and sex from atleast some females throughout their lifetime.
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You, Sir... Are a complete JACKASS.

Read.. And learn.
 

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I think the diffrence between what I have been saying and the perception of what other people believe is an Alpha male on this website, is that the majority of AFCs on this site are just lower level Alpha males who have been kicked around all their lives and havn't learned how to take control of themselves [back to the issue of self-awareness and indentity].

Basically, what I was showing was that the most masculine men are those that are able to shift back and forth between Alpha and Beta tendencies at will. They have the whole Ying/Yang,the ability to look at things from a negitive perspective and a positive perspective and decide which route to take or even better do it naturally.

Apparently I need to show you guys some other credible sources that also prove what I wrote from a psychological perspective. I surfed around and found these aritcles, which basically repeat what I wrote.


Alphas attracted to Alphas and Betas attracted to Betas
http://www.takeninhand.com/node/291


- Alpha, Beta, Omega -
Omegas are low level Alphas
Betas are in their own category
http://www.takeninhand.com/node/328


These Articles prove that the most
masculine men have both Alpha and
Beta qualities.
http://www.takeninhand.com/node/125
http://www.takeninhand.com/node/248
 

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Just thinking out loud: it would be bery interesting to see how this works in society, its influence (mass media) and resultant male AFCness.
Monkey are ok, though we deal mostly with people....
Anyway, just a thought.
 

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Originally posted by al77
Just thinking out loud: it would be bery interesting to see how this works in society, its influence (mass media) and resultant male AFCness.
Monkey are ok, though we deal mostly with people....
Anyway, just a thought.
Actually, the monkey senerio works just the same in humans. It is not all that uncommon to find girls who choose to live with either Beta or lower Alpha men who are relationship material just to sneak around and have hidden sexual relationships with Alpha type personalies who may or may not be totally relationship material. And this isn't just with humans and primates, it happens with birds and other animals also.

However, men and women who sleep around regardless of relationships are typically A type personalities. B type personalities tend to be more reserved and faithful in this context. All in all Alpha and Beta type personalities are basically two diffrent classes of people with diffrent ways of relating to the world.

Most of the AFCs here are already Alpha type personalities in the making, which is technically why they find this site. People who feel lonely, rejected, with little control over their lives come here to learn to cope; they are told to act more Alpha, more manly.

What I am trying to point out with this article is that a DJ shouldn't necessarily be out specifically trying to be more Alpha, but to find enough balance between Alpha and Beta type qualities to avoid being a total loser at life. That is why we are all here afterall.
 

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Originally posted by al77
Just thinking out loud: it would be bery interesting to see how this works in society, its influence (mass media) and resultant male AFCness.
Monkey are ok, though we deal mostly with people....
Anyway, just a thought.
And to look at the mass media point you brought up, media exist with the prime intent to relay messages and cause people to follow suggestions that they would have never considered otherwise.
Technically, people who allow themselves to become influenced in this manner become unconsciously subjugated to whatever information they are receiving.

Mass media is a clever decption ment to enslave you, if you want to be in charge of your life, look for other ways to manipulate society in a way that benefits you without allowing media or culture to influence you. It is really the way to break the AFC stronghold the world wants over you.
 

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Originally posted by rgeere

Mass media is a clever decption ment to enslave you, if you want to be in charge of your life, look for other ways to manipulate society in a way that benefits you without allowing media or culture to influence you. It is really the way to break the AFC stronghold the world wants over you.
I just think it is much more interesting topic by itself then comparison with monkeys... I mean who can relate to it besides biologists? But everyone can relate to TV and mass media forced stereotypes....We have been BS by it so much that most men became... AFC as a result.
So, in order to find a balance, we have to firt fight this horrible mass media influence - it is one of the practical way of achieveing the balance.
Next thing is to analyze what messages exctly we received and why they are harmful...
Your paper show the tip of the iceberg only....if you going to
continue, consider writing about some practical ways of achieveing the balance you mentioned.
 

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Ohhh, well the paper wasn't about monkies ... I threw in what maslow said in his ape study to show that the focus of a DJ shouldn't entirely be about developing an Alpha personality ... Now, dominance is fine, but unless you can relate to a Beta mindest and know the diffrence between the two and even act out appropiatelly, you will always be prone to Alpha weaknesses.
 

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But everyone can relate to TV and mass media forced stereotypes....We have been BS by it so much that most men became... AFC as a result.
How has TV made men AFC?

I'm qiuite interested in Erikson's 4th stage, because I think that it best explains my situation.
 

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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
How has TV made men AFC?

I'm qiuite interested in Erikson's 4th stage, because I think that it best explains my situation.
I think he said that because I don't relate to everyone with my writting style, which is fine. It may not entirely have anything to do with the article, but is definatelly a subject worth considering.

I found this chart that totally explains eriksons stages ... anyone who is interested in this should have a look at it and attempt to understand what it implies.

http://www.haverford.edu/psych/ddavis/p109g/erikson.stages.2.html
 
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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
How has TV made men AFC?
If you watch TV long enough, you will notice it promotes AFC image. Moreover it makes it look like it is the only way to dealw ith women: "jerks" are always punished and converted into a nice guy AFC clone.

We are so used to it, that it is even hard to notice what TV and mass media do to us in terms of makes us of of AFC every day...
I think we should pay more attention to it, since this mass media influence makes our lives MUCH MUCH worse, and tells us it is ok...I mean they just lie!
 

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Originally posted by rgeere
Ohhh, well the paper wasn't about monkies ... I threw in what maslow said in his ape study to show that the focus of a DJ shouldn't entirely be about developing an Alpha personality ... Now, dominance is fine, but unless you can relate to a Beta mindest and know the diffrence between the two and even act out appropiatelly, you will always be prone to Alpha weaknesses.
Thats fine. What i am saying it would be great if you can come up with some real world examples abotu actual people, then readers woudl be able to relate.

Sometime it makes me sad how psychology is distanced from real world: example: I conntected all faculties and staff at out pyshology department, regarding seminars\workshop\etc reagrding self-confidence and social skills. And what do you think
100% of them said? "Mind you own business, we are not dealing with applied psychology". No one even said "Try Dale Carnegie seminars...". Anyway, just an example.
 

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Brilliant post rgeere. I'm also very interested in psychology so it makes sense to me. It's genius to state a ying and yang because it works so perfectly to have powerful aspects of both things. Most people fail to miss that idea by coming to this site and being told to grow some balls and be a man. While that works for some others might see even more intense results combining the two qualities into one.
 

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Just thinking out loud: it would be bery interesting to see how this works in society
It wouldn't.


It works in the animal kingdom, but all the people who fake confidence and ****iness in society become construction workers. Society uses intelligence, not brute force--it is opposite amongst animals; there is no intelligence, so brute force is what rules.

The societies where intelligence does not rule...are dictatorships or socialist societies. And guess what rules those? That's right, brute force.
 

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Interesting. You talk about the developmental stages of the alpha and beta and how they differ, but later in life how do they truley differ? They can confuse betas for alpha and vice versa so whats the difference?
 

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this site has probably produced hundreds of pimple faced, 90lbs, weak alpha wannabes.

I'm thinking that some of my problems result from not fully developing my own identity.:down: Once I develop in that area I'll lilely become receptive to intimacy. I'm unable to have closeness with anyone, not even friends who swear we are best friends.

http://psychology.about.com/library/weekly/aa091500b.htm
 

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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
this site has probably produced hundreds of pimple faced, 90lbs, weak alpha wannabes.

I'm thinking that some of my problems result from not fully developing my own identity.:down: Once I develop in that area I'll lilely become receptive to intimacy. I'm unable to have closeness with anyone, not even friends who swear we are best friends.

http://psychology.about.com/library/weekly/aa091500b.htm
Exactly, children first start to become aware of other peoples intent towards them at about ages 6 and 7; if a child has domineering or critical or abusive or disrespectful or unappreciative parents [who are normally alcoholic], a chuild never realizes his or her potential and that stunts his or her self-awareness and true effects on the world. They can't form an identity because who they are remains a shadow in the wake of their parents and this only gets reinforced if they have problems with peer acceptance. They learn to make self-defense mechanism instead of learning to trust, one of the prime ingredients of intimacy.

It is theorized that an identity crisis can be reoccuring, though. For example, if the world as you perceive it suddenly starts changing around you and have to learn to recoup and readapt.
 

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Originally posted by oakraiderz2
Interesting. You talk about the developmental stages of the alpha and beta and how they differ, but later in life how do they truley differ? They can confuse betas for alpha and vice versa so whats the difference?
For the most part people who grow up with primary Alpha or a primary Beta tendency usually remain that way predominatelly except for later in life [normally staring about age 27 - 30], unless they make an active effort to self-improve their lives to the point to where they balance out Alpha/Beta tendencies [hence why I wrote this paper] the balance of power shifts; the Betas of the same age start to overtake Alphas of the same age.

Because Betas develope intellectual abilities at a younger age they are able to last longer than their bodies can handle physical work, that makes them more valuable later in life especially about age 27 onwards. On the other hand, that is assuming they are able to find work in an intellectual field that wants them after the age of 40.

Because Alphas tend to rely on physical labour, only the smarter ones who knew enough to store away money and influence other people to work for them survive past the age of 30, all other true Alpha males normally end up in prison for commiting crimes or poor and homeless because no one wants to hire them.

But like I have been attempting to say, the most adaptable and masculine men have both Alpha and Beta traits. One isn't really better than the other, just two entirely different complementing ways of looking at life.
 
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