Proof that women past 50 play AW games on apps!

[nismo-4]

I'd rather make a girl get emotional enough to rage-quit than not engage emotions at all. Enter the judge.

I guess if you truly value respect, you might want to start by respecting her decision not to give out her number and accepting rejection gracefully. By calling her a red flag, you escalated the situation in a way that feels manipulative. It assumes that if she’s not immediately sharing her number, she’s somehow doing something wrong.

I just had 3 women I went for their numbers online. One unmatched, the next wanted me to give my number first so I unmatched. The third said she wasn't ready to do the number exchange but asked where I was from...left her on seen and got unmatched this morning. No man likes a woman that's an online attention wh0re. But this girl in the OP, I unmatched her first. Respect yourself before a woman.

And let’s be real, you did not have the intention of getting to know the woman or build an emotional or intimate connection with her, especially since she is 17 years older. You were just not able to break her barriers.

Women's emotions are more volatile than crypto. Except crypto can make you money where a woman will spend yours. That's beside the point here. Building emotional and intimate connections with women is one of the toughest things for me to do. I usually rely on luck i.e. get a woman that's already high interest. Few and far in between, I'm not a 6'5 millionaire playing in the NFL. If anybody here was and talking on a dating app, do you think barriers and roadblocks would appear. They wouldn't, let's be real. Maybe you can give some advice and pointers on building said connections? Most men here could use such actually!

Check the video example below. The video starts at 2:40. The dude gets rejected and, little by little, starts building a connection instead of stomping his feet because the woman didn’t initially like him.

And when he built these "connections" they were all for naught. The initial attraction and chemistry tend to be key here. Also the end result is what matters. He went from being rejected to at best, a friendzoned ego stroker. Are there benefits to being friendzoned as a guy? I took the L by not getting north of an online convo. She took the L by failing to get a new chaser or orbiter. Now when this lawyer gets 3 million dollars and a Lambo, these women will likely tingle, but cry when they have to compete with the Miami Dolphins Cheerleaders.

I think that’s more respectable than insulting someone because they didn’t share their number, but if you think otherwise and you’re happy with that, that’s cool my man.

I'm operating off the fact that nice guys finish last, if they're even in the race. Also checking a woman has gotten me further than being nice (a pushover). Most women are used to pushovers, not guys who call them out on their bullshyte. If you go for the number and she dodges or deflects or wants yours instead, call out her disinterest or thank her for showing it. Or just block her.

Read betw- I do read these posts for good reason. We're all human. Me being a mod here doesn't go to my head. I take L's like the rest of you do and I posted it. I should've screenshot'd the recent one I had. We naturally love women and value female companionship. We men just aren't fans of the f**ked up games they play. But we enjoy holding a woman's body more than a Playstation controller! Let's not kid ourselves.

Wanna see if your dating app match is a match? Move things offline. If she wants to stay online or go to another app, that's disrespectful and warrants an unmatch. You're not there to be a pen-pal, e-orbiter, or attention bank. Let her figure out why men don't take her seriously.

I never believed in giving my number first. There's a 1/256 chance she'll actually call. Learn where the block and unmatch features are on your phone and apps. In cold approach, learn to walk away if things don't go your way. Put yourselves first men.

 

[Solomon]

If Halle Berry or Shakira matched with you and were available for you (likely sexually), you know you'd shoot your shot instead of playing Fortnite. Let's not kid ourselves.

I ended up with a "match". Said match failed. Post 2020 women wound up ho-flating. Women nowadays have no less than 4 inboxes. Sometimes they have NFL players in them (saw a 60 Y.O woman's POF messages after I smashed, had 100+ unread, some were way better looking than me. Also saw a 62 y.o realtor's IG DM's. She had rappers and Falcons players in there, and some simps wanting to take her out. I remember one said Hawaii, another wanted to bring her to Capital Grill. I smashed until she wanted commitment.) Women always have options and there is no wall. Even if there is, it's heavily padded. We're always competing with Chad, Tyrone, Bob, and John.

Ho-flation. That's why we got all these games. 90% of men are invisible to 90% of women.

You 38 going for women in their 60s? how do you even get it up? (that's not an insult that's just me thinking out loud)I mean I know that there are hot women in their 40s and even 50s but as a 38 year old guy you still should be able to get women in your age range, slightly older or lower etc, I don't know if I could deal with women 20+ years older than me Unless they look, Christina Brinkley

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I guess if you truly value respect, you might want to start by respecting her decision not to give out her number and accepting rejection gracefully. By calling her a red flag, you escalated the situation in a way that feels manipulative. It assumes that if she’s not immediately sharing her number, she’s somehow doing something wrong.

And let’s be real, you did not have the intention of getting to know the woman or build an emotional or intimate connection with her, especially since she is 17 years older. You were just not able to break her barriers.

Check the video example below. The video starts at 2:40. The dude gets rejected and, little by little, starts building a connection instead of stomping his feet because the woman didn’t initially like him.

I think that’s more respectable than insulting someone because they didn’t share their number, but if you think otherwise and you’re happy with that, that’s cool my man.

This is something more men can learn from...

The women give him reasons why they aren't interested and he doesn't get upset, doesn't get mad, doesn't attack them, just starts talking to them and asking them questions and you can see these women reconsidering things in their mind because of the way he carries and conducts himself with them.

 

[Gamisch]

Bro, reading comprehension.

He clearly stated in the message why he was upset, and it was because she deliberately ignored his number request.

If you feel it wasn't that serious, then that's your opinion...but at least understand where the critique came from before you start passing judgement.

OP’s frustration over not receiving her number is all about entitlement. He assumes she should comply because he asked, disregarding her autonomy and boundaries. Whether because she's 55 or he sees himself as the "lover" or "protector," his anger reveals a sense of entitlement to her personal information. This isn’t about miscommunication. Who gets upset and stomps their feet when they don’t get what they want?

Two things can be true at once.

The conversation took a turn for the worst , so OP got put on the spot out of nowhere. She went from hot to cold in between one sentence so he had to adjust accordingly. What does "accordingly " mean? That's why we here.

We all have to deal with this especially when using the apps. Sometimes a woman can make it like difficult like oldscool Contra on hard mode and give you 30 levels of difficulties while the next immediately warps you to the end stage.

Imo he should've been way more easy-going and less emotionally invested. Older women logically will have a sturdier bytch shield due to being played a billion times .

" When you switch I switch, just like that " .

 

[nismo-4]

This is something more men can learn from...

The women give him reasons why they aren't interested and he doesn't get upset, doesn't get mad, doesn't attack them, just starts talking to them and asking them questions and you can see these women reconsidering things in their mind because of the way he carries and conducts himself with them.

If it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, then why do they keep score?

BITG, you're right on that point. But what was the end result? BTW with Arlette's pop the balloon, most women are there for clout so I wouldn't have used this as a reference. But I'll bite.

My analysis is he dragged out all the rejections. He at best went from being rejected to friendzoned. The reconsideration was "hmm...he'll make a good friend. Maybe he'll take me to Nobu and I'll bring Tyrone the leftovers." Or "I'll ask him how I can get Hiroshi to committ to me because Chad dumped me last week and Enrique came in my mouth before he blocked me. I still have jalapeño taco pipe breath from 5 days ago but I loved him." Because he kept entertaining them. When a woman says no, drop her. That's what he should have done. Most of the time, if 1 woman pops, 2 more will pop after. Another one will pop during the convos between the guy and the women. And most women there aren't even (that) cute. If I was on there, I'd do things that most guys wouldn't i.e. don't compliment, say she's not my type and my type is a woman that wants me. Too many guys say these women are beautiful or they look good. Stop simping. Men don't get off on being complimented, they do so with hole widening. Women get off on male attention and validation.

Still, if a woman speaks to you, see where it goes. Might as well. Could help your abundance. Most men need actual options i.e. matches with women who sexually want them. Matches with women who want you to take them to Nobu (fill me in on other expensive restaurants' names) on a first date or want anything south of Alpha roles don't count.

Never believe a woman liking you until you're on an actual 1v1 date and you rail her.

A job interview is not aced unless you were hired.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

If it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, then why do they keep score?

BITG, you're right on that point. But what was the end result? BTW with Arlette's pop the balloon, most women are there for clout so I wouldn't have used this as a reference. But I'll bite.

My analysis is he dragged out all the rejections. He at best went from being rejected to friendzoned. The reconsideration was "hmm...he'll make a good friend. Maybe he'll take me to Nobu and I'll bring Tyrone the leftovers." Or "I'll ask him how I can get Hiroshi to committ to me because Chad dumped me last week and Enrique came in my mouth before he blocked me. I still have jalapeño taco pipe breath from 5 days ago but I loved him." Because he kept entertaining them. When a woman says no, drop her. That's what he should have done. Most of the time, if 1 woman pops, 2 more will pop after. Another one will pop during the convos between the guy and the women. And most women there aren't even (that) cute. If I was on there, I'd do things that most guys wouldn't i.e. don't compliment, say she's not my type and my type is a woman that wants me. Too many guys say these women are beautiful or they look good. Stop simping. Men don't get off on being complimented, they do so with hole widening. Women get off on male attention and validation.

Still, if a woman speaks to you, see where it goes. Might as well. Could help your abundance. Most men need actual options i.e. matches with women who sexually want them. Matches with women who want you to take them to Nobu (fill me in on other expensive restaurants' names) on a first date or want anything south of Alpha roles don't count.

Never believe a woman liking you until you're on an actual 1v1 date and you rail her.

A job interview is not aced unless you were hired.

Seems like a short sighted take...one of the biggest mistakes guys make is not giving women time to warm up to them and expecting them to be "all-in" from the get go of you start a conversation with them.

Anyone can get a woman who is already really interested in them. That's not hard.

What's hard is overcoming a woman's objections and still closing the sale.

A salesman isn't made by how well they do when the customer is ready to buy as soon as they walk in the door. Anyone can do that.

A salesman is made by how well they can overcome objections and turn no's into maybe's and maybe's into yes's all within the same conversation. That's where the skill lies and what separates the great ones from the average ones.

Same thing with picking up women. You will never improve your skills if all you do is go for low hanging fruit.

I would suggest every man make it a point to work on turning no's into yes's when talking with women. As you do this more often, you'll start to see when it's an actual "no" versus a "default no to any guy trying to talk to me" that can be turned into a different outcome once you allow them to warm up to you. This is when you are talking to them in person, not from a dating site...that's highly unlikely to change much in that venue.

Contrary to popular opinion on this forum it is quite possible and some men are exceptional at doing it.

 

[nismo-4]

Enter th- my take here

Seems like a short sighted take...one of the biggest mistakes guys make is not giving women time to warm up to them and expecting them to be "all-in" from the get go of you start a conversation with them.

Most men see women as either hot or cold. Nothing in between, and the gray area is delineated as a no. A lot of times, when the woman takes time to warm up to you, you're not her first choice. You'll be just friends with her.

Anyone can get a woman who is already really interested in them. That's not hard.

Facts.

What's hard is overcoming a woman's objections and still closing the sale.

My disconnect is that these objections are made out of her not desiring you. Also, what does she want with you? Hopefully not you in a beta role.

A salesman isn't made by how well they do when the customer is ready to buy as soon as they walk in the door. Anyone can do that.

I'd make those sales anyway, but what guy wouldn't?

A salesman is made by how well they can overcome objections and turn no's into maybe's and maybe's into yes's all within the same conversation. That's where the skill lies and what separates the great ones from the average ones.

Ah yes, where some guys say that's just a waste of time and just go for those that want you. Well, none of us here are Drake or Elon Musk so we get more no's and maybe's than necessary. But hasn't the woman made up her mind of what she wanted with you already? Whether that's reject/ run from, friendzone/ use for some labor or emotional purpose, or date/bang.

Same thing with picking up women. You will never improve your skills if all you do is go for low hanging fruit.

No fruit at this point is low hanging. Most women think they're models. They reject for fun, even S-tier guys get this. To improve your skills requires timing. Taking a bunch of L's may improve them, but you need things to go to the next level.

I would suggest every man make it a point to work on turning no's into yes's when talking with women. As you do this more often, you'll start to see when it's an actual "no" versus a "default no to any guy trying to talk to me" that can be turned into a different outcome once you allow them to warm up to you. This is when you are talking to them in person, not from a dating site...that's highly unlikely to change much in that venue.

There's a fine line between confident persistence (if that even works), being assertive, or being a creep. It all depends on how you're looked at. But how can you tell when it's a no versus a default no to any guy that approaches? Most guys, abundant or scarce, will just delete her and move on and rule her as disinterested. Yeah you'll be walking away till kingdom come and not even learning anything. Dating apps work the same way.

Contrary to popular opinion on this forum it is quite possible and some men are exceptional at doing it.

I actually agree here. I say write some things on that subject. I'm more into the camp of if she shows disinterest, drop her and move on because plenty of bad experience confirmed it. It often winds up a waste of time. Most guys here do it too because they don't have enough good experience with women. It's good to throw away the bad apples, but you then have no apples. Men need good apples.

Read be- You know how this goes.

 

[BPH]

Me being a mod here doesn't go to my head.

Dude...what do you mean. You literally made this a pinned post just because you could...

We're going on page 5 of this now and it doesn't read like you've learned anything from this experience or the input from others. Here's how I see it:

You're 38, if that's you in your profile picture you appear to be slightly overweight, and for some reason you're expecting immediate high interest from women you meet on dating apps. Why are you entitled to this? My guess would be simply by virtue of being a man and them being older women, because I haven't read anything where you're bringing value to this equation - just what behavior you're expecting from these women.

You seem to be jaded and distrustful of women, and nothing here reads like you enjoy their company. Rather your thoughts lie with how many other men they're talking to/f***ing when they're not directly engaged with you, and that most of these women are degenerate sloots not worthy of your respect.

I believe that in order to be successful with women you have to actually like them, not just what they can do for you. And I don't think you do. And I think that's why you won't learn from this. According to @Chow Mein you haven't really evolved in this area, and there's little here to lead me to believe that will suddenly happen now.

I think people are wasting their time replying at this point, you seem more intent on others validating your worldview than adapting to improve it.

 

[Divorced w 3]

That was super direct - she was being a little playful but the misinterpretation I think, on your end, got your defenses up I think where there needn’t have been any. I understand she said ‘ask’ but contextually that would be within a good introduction warranting asking - her response to the question was playful. Not everyone does well on the subtlety when it comes to writing, unfortunately. If she could have swapped voice memos with you on the app, the tone probably would have revealed more of her personality and yours too

 

[nismo-4]

Dude...what do you mean. You literally made this a pinned post just because you could...

We're going on page 5 of this now and it doesn't read like you've learned anything from this experience or the input from others. Here's how I see it:

You're 38, if that's you in your profile picture you appear to be slightly overweight, and for some reason you're expecting immediate high interest from women you meet on dating apps. Why are you entitled to this? My guess would be simply by virtue of being a man and them being older women, because I haven't read anything where you're bringing value to this equation - just what behavior you're expecting from these women.

I take L's like everybody else here. I'm not invincible. Hell I took 3 more during the course of this thread. Damn we're on page 5 already? Anyway here's the 3. Possibly 4.

1: I went for the number after about 3 messages. Got unmatched.
2: Went for the number after some good vibes. She wanted me to give her mine instead. I eventually unmatched her. Sounded too much like a power struggle or disinterest.
3. Same as number 2, but she said she wasn't ready for the number exchange yet. And asked me where I'm from (isn't that info on Bumble profiles dummy?). I left her on seen and she unmatched me this morning before I could.
4. She actually gave me her number. Don't get too excited. I called her, no answer, yet messaged me on Bumble saying she'd call today. Spoiler alert, she didn't, nor did I message back. I'm likely to unmatch her this weekend.

Sure I'm improving myself, but more areas need work. I've done a lot money wise (my Lexus will be paid off this summer and I've got a lot of investments.) But money isn't the be-all-end-all of course.

How do you bring value to a dating equation without leading with your wallet? That's a weakness I have. And explain how that can be done without getting friendzoned.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Enter th- my take here



Read be- You know how this goes.

So this is something that a lot of guys don't understand.

When you approach a woman, especially in a bar/club setting, many times they act disinterested or don't give you much to work with to see what type of man you are.

Are you the type of man who is going to get all flustered and give up or are you the type of guy who is going to entice them via conversation to want to find out more about you?

In many cases, their initial reaction has NOTHING TO DO with what they actually think of you. No women wants to be with a guy who is weak or not confident in themselves enough to overcome that, and as such, the easiest way to see if you are that type of man is to see what happens if they don't immediately show interest in you.

Now, that isn't to say that in EVERY situation this occurs, that it means she is interested. It doesn't. It simply means that in the beginning, a woman who is testing you to see what you are made of and a disinterested woman is going to look like the same thing.

However, as you start conversing, you should start seeing little cracks in her demeanor if she is actually interested. She will start smiling more, actually asking you questions back and becoming more engaged in the conversation and may even start touching you on your arm or shoulder or leaning into you while you are talking.

Now if she says something like "Sorry, I'm not interested" and then immediately turns her back, then I think it's pretty safe to say she actually isn't interested.

But that is a skill that is developed as you do more of these type of approaches and within many interactions. It's sort of a skill within a skill so to speak...

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Two things can be true at once.

The conversation took a turn for the worst , so OP got put on the spot out of nowhere. She went from hot to cold in between one sentence so he had to adjust accordingly. What does "accordingly " mean? That's why we here.

We all have to deal with this especially when using the apps. Sometimes a woman can make it like difficult like oldscool Contra on hard mode and give you 30 levels of difficulties while the next immediately warps you to the end stage.

Imo he should've been way more easy-going and less emotionally invested. Older women logically will have a sturdier bytch shield due to being played a billion times .

" When you switch I switch, just like that " .

As the man I am, I can't see myself handling that situation any differently than I advised.

But hey, to each his own.

 

[BPH]

I take L's like everybody else here. I'm not invincible. Hell I took 3 more during the course of this thread. Damn we're on page 5 already? Anyway here's the 3. Possibly 4.

1: I went for the number after about 3 messages. Got unmatched.
2: Went for the number after some good vibes. She wanted me to give her mine instead. I eventually unmatched her. Sounded too much like a power struggle or disinterest.
3. Same as number 2, but she said she wasn't ready for the number exchange yet. And asked me where I'm from (isn't that info on Bumble profiles dummy?). I left her on seen and she unmatched me this morning before I could.
4. She actually gave me her number. Don't get too excited. I called her, no answer, yet messaged me on Bumble saying she'd call today. Spoiler alert, she didn't, nor did I message back. I'm likely to unmatch her this weekend.

Sure I'm improving myself, but more areas need work. I've done a lot money wise (my Lexus will be paid off this summer and I've got a lot of investments.) But money isn't the be-all-end-all of course.

How do you bring value to a dating equation without leading with your wallet? That's a weakness I have. And explain how that can be done without getting friendzoned.

I think the overarching question is this: would YOU f*** you?

Dating is sales, where the product is you. If that product isn't good, nobody's going to buy it.

You need to highlight your strengths and work on fixing your weaknesses. Both sides of that coin are amplified in online dating when a girl decides whether to swipe left or right on you in fractions of a second. Because you are correct - girls on these apps have unlimited options. I remember my ex trying to show me "notes" feature in Tinder where if you swiped right on somebody and they weren't a match you could leave them this note so they might swipe right. She could not demonstrate the feature because every single guy she swiped right on was a match. That is the reality of the arena you're playing in, so you have to give these women a reason to want you.

Making demands, assuming disinterest, and attacking her character is not going to give her those reasons.

In some of the rejections you listed, it also sounds like you lack confidence. The moment you don't get the response you're looking for it seems like you sometimes self-eject out of frustration. It also sounds like you need to slow things down a little; asking for a number within 3 messages is super rushed - intro + 1 message + ask for number is way too fast for most women. I also don't understand why you unmatch so quickly. I've had girls that I thought were lost causes who stopped responding reach out several days/weeks/months later before meeting up - it's certainly not the norm, but it does happen, so I don't know why you don't understand that 1/256 chance or whatever you quoted is still higher than 0/256.

Anyway, here's what I think you can do as far as demonstrating value on these apps; if/when you go to the gym make sure to showcase progress when you start to look good, dress well, take good photos, have a couple group pictures so she knows you have friends and are a normal person. Write a short, witty bio. Don't list your politics, religion, dating intent, star sign, or anything else a woman could read and attach a negative label to you.

And here's the main thing...

Even after all this...

You will probably still get very few results. That's just how online dating is. This should be supplementary, not a focus of your efforts. You should be going out and being social with women in the real world, and IF you match with somebody and things go well, maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Despite my recent activity this last month, even my own results are not typical. There are a ton of attractive guys on dating apps - there are very few attractive girls. If OLD is how you hope to meet the women in your life you're going to be disappointed often.

 

[SW15]

If OLD is how you hope to meet the women in your life you're going to be disappointed often.

OLD is a disappointment for most men. A smaller percentage of men can reliably use the swipe apps successfully. This is around the top 10-15% of men on looks. Looks are what matter most on the swipe apps, but displays of wealth can help outcomes, primarily for 35+ men.

I had some disappointments on the swipe apps because I was primarily looking for girlfriends for extended relationships and I wasn't top tier in terms of looks & money. After assessing it, I decided to not even make it supplementary to other options for meeting women. I thought it wasn't even worth having and would distract from my real life efforts.

I didn't like my low match level and too many "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions.

You will probably still get very few results. That's just how online dating is.

Yes, this is correct. Most men only get matches on around 1% of all right swipes. That's not impressive. With enough swipes, a 1-2% match rate might yield some conversations and maybe even a few first dates.

Some guy did 16,000 swipes to get 3 first dates, all of which were the "1-2 dates, no sex, no extended relationship" variety.

So many men have terrible results on the swipe apps.

However, a small percentage of men are hyper efficient on swipe apps and are having sex with many cute range women. The woman in the video below is an example of this as Cute range (around a 6) riding the penis carousel for men 8.5+ range. There are many women like her on the swipe apps.

girls on these apps have unlimited options....every single guy she swiped right on was a match.

This is true and feels very validating for her. She also has hundreds of guys she swipes left on. The abundance is unreal and is very flattering.

Dating is sales, where the product is you. If that product isn't good, nobody's going to buy it.

Dating is a combination of sales and marketing. Product is one of the 4 P's of Marketing.

Bad products can sell if marketed correctly to the right audience. The degree of difficulty on that is rather high.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

How do you bring value to a dating equation without leading with your wallet?

That's a weakness I have. And explain how that can be done without getting friendzoned.

Bro, you keep asking these beta-azz questions when, as we've already discussed; the answer Mode One.