Proof that women past 50 play AW games on apps!

[nismo-4]

Dude...



Read how you're talking about this woman, even now.

All you had to do...literally the ONLY thing you had to do, was restate the question.

Instead, you self-rejected and assumed disinterest, put your foot down, and went "this is why you're still single". She wasn't "pissed off by your standards" - she thinks you're weird. You completely self-destructed over the course of 8 messages the MOMENT she went off-script and gave her a glimpse into the future of what it would be like if she were to date you. Which is why she, understandably, decided not to.

Thanks BPH.

It goes both ways. We both got a glimpse of each other and we were incompatible. At least she didn't try to friendzone me.

I sensed something was off when I went for the number and she brushed it off saying LOL you're funny. Be honest, it sounded like she dodged the question and she knew she was. I went off past experience. FAIK she had 7 other dudes in her inbox that day.

*Clears throat*

Damn orange juice went down the wrong pipe. Anyways, how would you have restated the question? I always hear if a woman shows disinterest or toys around with you before even meeting, move on because it'll only get worse. This one IMO wanted me to chase her and I refused. I did the opposite of most men, maybe to the extreme and I can admit it.

OLD interactions are nothing until the woman's bluff is called. Knowing where you stand is always good.

 

[BPH]

Anyways, how would you have restated the question?

"Even funnier in person so what's your number gorgeous?"

And if she dodges again, refuses, or makes you jump through hoops, then yeah, I'd dead it.

You are correct, she probably has 7+ other dudes messaging her trying to win her over. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect her to have high investment and interest right out the gate - matter of fact, I would be suspicious if that were the case. I'd think she was trying to scam me or might be a catfish. That is the reality of online dating for men. You need to accept the world as it is, not as it should be.

Different people behave differently over text, and in your case, I think you overreacted. I'll give you an example of what I think a more justifiable ejection would be:

I matched with a girl and the conversation was going well until I asked for her number. She told me I had to "earn it", to which I replied "Lol ok nevermind, we're already off to a bad start. You can unmatch me after you read this", and she did.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

By looking at screenshots I see some game-related errors.

I spent a lot of time on Tinder and I can tell that:
- OP was too directly approaching
- OP took the "be direct" bait - the sweet spot is being "indirect attacker", all females like to be courted and qualify (whether IRL or online)
- I doubt that 55y old female has no game - she has tons of experience and will try to screen guys looking for a "quick fix" with the guys looking for some quality time (besides sex)
- major error was going into meta of dating (talking about red flags etc.) it does not build attraction and turns on female into "alert" mode - there was no quality time between you two and you are already discussing issues of online dating

Verdict: Failed approach / I would name it a "quick self-burn" - OP managed to establish contact and quickly ruined the approach (I did it multiple times in my life, as probably most of the guys here). I do not see a female issue in that convo as far as it went. She is not obliged to meet you w/o qualification stage.

 

[Solomon]

By looking at screenshots I see some game-related errors.

I spent a lot of time on Tinder and I can tell that:
- OP was too directly approaching
- OP took the "be direct" bait - the sweet spot is being "indirect attacker", all females like to be courted and qualify (whether IRL or online)
- I doubt that 55y old female has no game - she has tons of experience and will try to screen guys looking for a "quick fix" with the guys looking for some quality time (besides sex)
- major error was going into meta of dating (talking about red flags etc.) it does not build attraction and turns on female into "alert" mode - there was no quality time between you two and you are already discussing issues of online dating

Verdict: Failed approach / I would name it a "quick self-burn" - OP managed to establish contact and quickly ruined the approach (I did it multiple times in my life, as probably most of the guys here). I do not see a female issue in that convo as far as it went. She is not obliged to meet you w/o qualification stage.

Totally agree with this, I'm kind of shocked OP is younger than me (38 I'm 40) and I don't deal with women over the age of 45, and even that's a rarity as I prefer to deal with women younger than me

OP time to hit the gym bro

 

[Solomon]

Glad to hear your take. Of course she forgot me. There's always a simp around the next turn for women anyway.

That's the problem, getting the woman to meet in the first place. There are women on these apps that are there for attention and validation only.

While online, your objective is to get her offline. Not to be a pen-pal or the e-friendzoned guy.

When men speak to women, 255/256 times he wants it to be sexual, if not something north of just being friends. When women speak to men, they tend to want something south of something romantic.

It's all fun and games until a woman's bluff is called. Then the REAL interest comes out. Is she into me, or a time-waster?

Bro I see you trying to go Mode1 but you gotta put some more "IZM" into it, the post to a woman sounds like an austenitic dude or asperpber dude trying to get a ther you know it makes the coochie dry my guy you gotta wet it up a bit knamean?

 

[GoodMan32]

"Even funnier in person so what's your number gorgeous?"

And if she dodges again, refuses, or makes you jump through hoops, then yeah, I'd dead it.

You are correct, she probably has 7+ other dudes messaging her trying to win her over. Furthermore, I wouldn't expect her to have high investment and interest right out the gate - matter of fact, I would be suspicious if that were the case. I'd think she was trying to scam me or might be a catfish. That is the reality of online dating for men. You need to accept the world as it is, not as it should be.

Different people behave differently over text, and in your case, I think you overreacted. I'll give you an example of what I think a more justifiable ejection would be:

I matched with a girl and the conversation was going well until I asked for her number. She told me I had to "earn it", to which I replied "Lol ok nevermind, we're already off to a bad start. You can unmatch me after you read this", and she did.

It's a catch 22.

If a woman is overly eager in the beginning, it's a sign she's a scam artist/catfish.

Yet if a woman is distant, it's next-to-impossible to get anywhere with her.

It's hard to find the happy medium (as your story indicated, you thought you found a happy medium...until you requested her digits)

 

[GoodMan32]

By looking at screenshots I see some game-related errors.

I spent a lot of time on Tinder and I can tell that:
- OP was too directly approaching
- OP took the "be direct" bait - the sweet spot is being "indirect attacker", all females like to be courted and qualify (whether IRL or online)
- I doubt that 55y old female has no game - she has tons of experience and will try to screen guys looking for a "quick fix" with the guys looking for some quality time (besides sex)
- major error was going into meta of dating (talking about red flags etc.) it does not build attraction and turns on female into "alert" mode - there was no quality time between you two and you are already discussing issues of online dating

Verdict: Failed approach / I would name it a "quick self-burn" - OP managed to establish contact and quickly ruined the approach (I did it multiple times in my life, as probably most of the guys here). I do not see a female issue in that convo as far as it went. She is not obliged to meet you w/o qualification stage.

Online dating/hookup platforms have really gone downhill.

When I was 20-23, even though there were plenty who wouldn't meet up in person (which took a major toll on my mental health), I at least got a decent amount to meet up in person.

On the other hand, from the ages of 24 onwards (I'm 33), I've never gotten anyone from online dating/hookup platforms to meet up in person.

 

[Solomon]

It's a catch 22.

If a woman is overly eager in the beginning, it's a sign she's a scam artist/catfish.

Yet if a woman is distant, it's next-to-impossible to get anywhere with her.

It's hard to find the happy medium (as your story indicated, you thought you found a happy medium...until you requested her digits)

Disagree and spoken like a guy who has never been genuinely desired by a woman before
If a woman really "Fancies" you, I mean truly does they will make it uber easy for you even with online dating
This can present itself in regards to...sending you nudes, meeting up right away/hooking up in person right away etc

Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Cheers

 

[GoodMan32]

Disagree and spoken like a guy who has never been genuinely desired by a woman before
If a woman really "Fancies" you, I mean truly does they will make it uber easy for you even with online dating
This can present itself in regards to...sending you nudes, meeting up right away/hooking up in person right away etc

Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Cheers

I've experienced it.

When I was 21, a woman sent me a message on datehookup "Would you date me?"

I nailed her on our 1st date. I've shared the story on the forum before. She's the one where we had plans for her to stay with me for a 3 day weekend, yet I gave her the boot before the end of day 1.

I also had 2 first dates in college (with gals I met through tech methods) where we ended up naked in bed, yet I declined sex. I've shared those stories on the forum.

The 8 month relationship I had after college (from POF)? She met up with me right away.

I've also had others meet up with me quickly.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

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Im trying my best not to disparage the advice of others on here, but it's unavoidable.

Basically, what I'm saying is; ignore all of the advice of everyone else (they ain't talking bout ****), especially @BPH...and take heed to mines.

Overall, if I was a teacher and I am grading your text "papers" on how you handled this situation, I'll give you a C+.

Now, here are the positives: I like your "no nonsense, cut-to-the-chase" attitude and responses.

You also have a "bullshiit" radar on deck, which is also commendable and something a lot of guys don't have.

As soon as you detected bullshiit, you called it out, and that is what you are supposed to do.
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Now, the reason I'm unable to give you an A grade is because of a few negatives..

Exhibit A (Pic 1): Your response, to me, was cringe worthy; about her playing hard to get and red flags.

Now, at that point in the conversation, not only is she pissing you off, but she is pissing ME off as well..and I'm not even in the situation.

In my opinion, you should have turned the conversation sexual.

You tried to play the soft, nice guy, gentlemanly approach with her, and she ain't appreciate that..so now it's time to turn up the heat.

Now, it's time to get on that GANGSTA shiit.

What I would of said was..

"You avoided the question. I'm trying to get in that puzzy next weekend, and you are on here bullshiitin".

Now, if saying this is too extreme for you, you can always get the same point across in a less X-rated manner..just as long as it is bold and straightforward.

You may be thinking, "But saying that will turn her off from me".

Yeah, assuming she was ever turned on by you in the first place.

She can't be turned off if she was never turned on.

My point is; when you called her out on her bs, there was probably no way of recovering after that..so, you might as well put all of the cards on the table and go out with a BANG..and I guarantee you would have felt even better (more power), had you done so.
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Exhibit B (Pic 2): Mannn, your outro (closing remarks) was much too wordy. I had drop you a grade because of that.

You would have gotten a B if it wasn't for that long ass outro lol.

Now, I understand where you're coming from, by basically saying "If you won't give me your number, end of discussion".

I get it.

However, what I would have done was; kept the conversation going...BUT (keyword: BUT), the conversation, from that point on, would have been strictly sexual.

This forces her to have a conversation with me on my terms.

Which means that with every response, she will be replying to whatever I say about me fuking her.

Until she either blocked me or I simply got tired of the exchange.
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Those are things that I would have done..and those grades are according to my standards.

My standards is to be (and REMAIN) in a position of power, regardless of the outcome.

You may/may not agree, but glad I could share.

 

[SW15]

"You avoided the question. I'm trying to get in that puzzy next weekend, and you are on here bullshiitin".

I really like this line as it is a strong Early Frame Announcement and very Mode One.

If the woman gets together with a man who says this via in-app messaging, then it is clear that her interest level is very high.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I really like this line as it is a strong Early Frame Announcement and very Mode One.

Yup.

Either hit her with it early, or once she pisses you off.

It should be like death and taxes to her...sooner or later, it's gonna get to her.

Actually, make it sooner, than later.

If the woman gets together with a man who says this via in-app messaging, then it is clear that her interest level is very high.

See, that is the whole idea...we all want to get with women whose interests levels are very high with us, right?

Mode One helps you weed out the low interests women, from the high interest women...and it does so in a quick, and efficient manner.

If my quest is to find out which women will let me smash, I want to do so in an efficient manner..by wasting as less time and money as possible.

Mode One is the best method to achieve that goal.

 

[BPH]

Basically, what I'm saying is; ignore all of the advice of everyone else (they ain't talking bout ****), especially @BPH...and take heed to mines.

Huh? But I'm right...

We have a now 3-page thread that OP pinned to the top of the board thinking he was going to get high-fives by showcasing how "men shouldn't accept disrespect" when what he's really showcasing is a lack of maturity and expecting immediate high interest from a 55-year old woman on a dating app...

This whole thing.

This entire thread.

Could ALL have been avoided, by simply RESTATING THE F***ING QUESTION and NOT BLOWING UP THE CONVERSATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER SHE DIDN'T ANSWER IT.

This isn't a hard f***ing concept to grasp...

You also have a "bullshiit" radar on deck, which is also commendable and something a lot of guys don't have.

As soon as you detected bullshiit, you called it out, and that is what you are supposed to do.

No, he threw a fit...that is NOT what you are supposed to do.

"You avoided the question. I'm trying to get in that puzzy next weekend, and you are on here bullshiitin".

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If you can show me one...just ONE example of this ACTUALLY working on a real, attractive woman, I'll believe you're not trolling.

The stuff some of you guys say is so crazy...

My standards is to be (and REMAIN) in a position of power, regardless of the outcome.

Are you REALLY in a position of power if you have to force her to believe it?

Anyway, @nismo-4 listen to who you want to listen to. Maybe you want to live in an echo chamber, maybe you're open to a reality check and realize you could be wrong. Some people treat this like Reddit and would rather get internet points than get laid.

You decide who's who.

 

[Bokanovsky]

That's the problem, getting the woman to meet in the first place. There are women on these apps that are there for attention and validation only.

While online, your objective is to get her offline. Not to be a pen-pal or the e-friendzoned guy.

I have no problem getting Hinge girls offline. I mostly date girls in their late 20's and early 30's and have no experience with 55-year-olds but I don't think age is the issue here.

Go back and re-read your conversation. Now tell me with a straight face that you don't see how your tone is negative and off-putting? It practically screams "I have an axe to grind with women". Being a d!ck can work with some (damaged) women but NOT at this early stage when she has zero investment in you. Even the most desperate fatty with daddy issues will tell you to fvck off.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

This whole thing.
This entire thread.

Could ALL have been avoided, by simply RESTATING THE F***ING QUESTION and NOT BLOWING UP THE CONVERSATION IMMEDIATELY AFTER SHE DIDN'T ANSWER IT.

This isn't a hard f***ing concept to grasp...

Um, him diverting her attention back to his question is a form of restating the question.

He shouldn't have to restate anything, she saw it the first time and simply refused to answer.

No, he threw a fit...that is NOT what you are supposed to do.

Maybe we have different definitions of throwing a fit.

He expressed firm, stern displeasure towards her...which isn't throwing a fit.

He didn't use foul language, nor did he type in all caps which would symbolize shouting.

Throwing a fit is what you are doing above, with your..

1. Profane language
2. All CAPS shouting

That, is throwing a fit.

You've expressed more frustration with him, than he expressed with her...the irony.

If you can show me one...just ONE example of this ACTUALLY working on a real, attractive woman, I'll believe you're not trolling.

The stuff some of you guys say is so crazy...

It depends on what you mean by "work".

No one is arguing that the direct method will increase your chances of getting laid, compared to the indirect method.

The argument is simple; if you and I both get rejected, my rejection (with direct) will cost me less time and money than your rejection (with indirect).

That is the key and fundamental difference.

Are you REALLY in a position of power if you have to force her to believe it?

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[BPH]

Um, him diverting her attention back to his question is a form of restating the question.

He shouldn't have to restate anything, she saw it the first time and simply refused to answer.



Maybe we have different definitions of throwing a fit.

He expressed firm, stern displeasure towards her...which isn't throwing a fit.

He didn't use foul language, nor did he type in all caps which would symbolize shouting.

Throwing a fit is what you are doing above, with your..

1. Profane language
2. All CAPS shouting

That, is throwing a fit.

You've expressed more frustration with him, than he expressed with her...the irony.



It depends on what you mean by "work".

No one is arguing that the direct method will increase your chances of getting laid, compared to the indirect method.

The argument is simple; if you and I both get rejected, my rejection (with direct) will cost me less time and money than your rejection (with indirect).

That is the key and fundamental difference.



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Look, I don't care anymore. I'm not going to go point-by-point why you're wrong.

I advocate for being direct, what you're advocating for is a Hail Mary on 1st down.

2 of the last 3 women I've slept with I met off of dating apps, 1 of which has been a consistent FWB almost every single weekend since July or August. 3 of the last 4 if we're including Instagram.

Another consistent FWB I met through Hinge and have been maintaining for several years now.

I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to navigating dating apps.

But like I said, some people would rather get likes than laid, so OP can choose what he feels like listening to.

 

[Gamisch]

Um, him diverting her attention back to his question is a form of restating the question.

He shouldn't have to restate anything, she saw it the first time and simply refused to answer.



Maybe we have different definitions of throwing a fit.

He expressed firm, stern displeasure towards her...which isn't throwing a fit.

He didn't use foul language, nor did he type in all caps which would symbolize shouting.

Throwing a fit is what you are doing above, with your..

1. Profane language
2. All CAPS shouting

That, is throwing a fit.

You've expressed more frustration with him, than he expressed with her...the irony.



It depends on what you mean by "work".

No one is arguing that the direct method will increase your chances of getting laid, compared to the indirect method.

The argument is simple; if you and I both get rejected, my rejection (with direct) will cost me less time and money than your rejection (with indirect).

That is the key and fundamental difference.



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Don't waste your energy on this dude bro, this dude is 31, lives in mommy's basement but tries to school real men how to move in life. In my language we call that OVER COMPENSATING.

How anyone can take him serious is beyond me. Type dude to run when his girl gets attacked.

A broke diva at best.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Look, I don't care anymore. I'm not going to go point-by-point why you're wrong.

I wasn't explaining why you're wrong.

I was explaining why I'm right.

I advocate for being direct, what you're advocating for is a Hail Mary on 1st down.

Yeah, a Hail Mary on first down when the game is practically decided.

Go out in Blades of Glory.

2 of the last 3 women I've slept with I met off of dating apps

Yeah, and 2 of the last 3 women I've smashed have been on cold approaches.

So, what chu sayin, Junior?

, 1 of which has been a consistent FWB almost every single weekend since July or August.

Coincidentally, 1 of mines I've been smashing, as a FWB, also since last August.

Got the key to her crib without asking, and she has no problem with me seeing other women, just as long as I save some for her.

She cooks for me, rubs me down..s#cks me, and f#cks me.

She gives me that old school, Mary J. Blige lovin.

No bullshiit.

Met her on a cold approach coming out of Walmart.

So again, what chu sayin?

3 of the last 4 if we're including Instagram.

Another consistent FWB I met through Hinge and have been maintaining for several years now.

I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to navigating dating apps.

I don't do OLD or social media like that, but get it how you get it, playa .

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Don't waste your energy on this dude bro, this dude is 31, lives in mommy's basement but tries to school real men how to move in life. In my language we call that OVER COMPENSATING.

How anyone can take him serious is beyond me. Type dude to run when his girl gets attacked.

A broke diva at best.

"Fend him off while I call 911" type a nig.

 

[BPH]

Don't waste your energy on this dude bro, this dude is 31

Do you not know the difference between the numbers 30 and 31?

It's one number. I believe in you.