Proof that women past 50 play AW games on apps!

[Chow Mein]

I’ve been around this forum a long time and read OP’s posts from decades ago. It’s interesting to see how some men still have the same mindset, without reflecting on life experiences and changing perspectives.

 

[GoodMan32]

Yikes if you getting your Jimmies rustled over 55 year old women OP it's time to take a break from the game then work on stepping it up

As a man even younger than the OP who also prefers older, one reason I'm reluctant to shoot my shot is because of how humiliating it would be for a 33 year old to get rejected by a woman in her 50s.

 

[Gamisch]

When you throw your number first, how often has it worked for you? To me, you're giving up your power and letting fate take over. Fate typically screws you over. I say stay in control. One time it did work, but it wound up a dinner date, one-date wonder.

Dating for men is like a job interview, and a job interview is not aced unless you were hired.

When men measure dating results, they look at how many dates and lays they got. When women measure, they look at:
1. How many new simps boost her ego
2. How many guys they can flake on
3. How much attention they can get
4. How many new IG followers/ OF subscribers they get
5. How much money will a simp spend
6. How many bills can she get paid
7. How many free meals can she get in a month
8. How many guys will chase them
9. How many new orbiters are here
10. How many guys will just be friends with her
11. How many guys will like and compliment her pics

On and on.

Luck, timing, what the woman's looking for, what the woman has available to her, all play a part. Women's emotions are more volatile than crypto.

I don't get excited about meeting new women. Most guys after enough experience and learning Redpill female nature begin to assume the worst-case scenario or outcome i.e. she doesn't return a call, disinterested! Doesn't respond on a dating app in 24 hours, block and unmatch! She acts lukewarm, delete her number! She won't set a date or gives 1 excuse, block her number. Never heard guys (sans Chad or Tyrone) talk about the best-case scenarios, because they're rare. Men win when sex happened. Women win when attention happened. The bad outcome (flake, ghost, ignore, unmatch, block) happens more than the good. Men are unconsciously outcome dependent. Women are outcome independent naturally because they get hit on 5+ times a day.

A used BMW is easier to fix than a woman, and breaks down a lot less.

Women don't grow up, they grow old.

I believe it is the 3rd screenshot. When the argument became " more intense " I'd just throw my number and leave it there. You NEVER wanna suggest negative behaviour because most women are full of that anyway. E.g : are you gaslighting me? Do you doubt me? " the answer might be YES and now you dragging it out of her . This is where LEADING becomes important. It's a verbal dance and you lead the dance.

Tbh it works wonders for me, although I am talking real life rather than OLD. I just leave my number and let them contact me. If they don't, hey that's fine. Saves me a lotta unnecessary simping.

I feel like you are being too negative. You were 75% in but the petty argument blew your chances. You might be right , but we know that dealing with women mostly comes down to gaslighting her negative features untill she pulls down her panties. It is what it is.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Well yeah...it's literally pinned to the top so it's the first thing anybody sees.

Your responses sound more like somebody who is jaded by women, than somebody who enjoys them. I said this in another thread some time ago, but you don't have to "win" every interaction. This reads like you demand to be treated like a "high-value man" despite A. not being one, and B. while targeting women almost 20 years older than you who are still on dating apps.

I think a vast majority of this forum would do better with women if they enjoyed the interactions they have with them, rather than overanalyzing them.

This is the main reason why I don’t understand the scope of the thread. From my perspective, OP isn't seeking help to improve future interactions, but instead, it seems like he wants us to "roast" this woman simply because she's 55 years old on a dating app—and, also, just because she is a woman.

 

[SW15]

Pretty alarming she's still playing games like a young woman at 55 (at least the woman I had my last date with has the youth excuse; she was 37)

I've had interactions where I've gotten frustrated because a woman in her 30s was playing games like a woman in the 18-25 range.

Nothing wrong with going for a woman nearly 20 years older.

At age 38, it's not a good use of time. I will give 18-24s a pass on older women due to the hot mom/MILF fantasy. After that, once a man is older than enough women (usually happens around 25-27), then it is best to get a woman younger than he is.

I've seen examples of men who have slightly older girlfriends/wives because they usually met them prior to age 25. These are men going 1-3 years older, often through a social circle setup. That's not ideal and doesn't age well. All the men in these examples that I am thinking about are blue pill ideology, standard beta males.

Even for 18-24s, the hot mom fantasy is a waste of his time. His best options are with the women right around his own age.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Never argue with a woman BEFORE hitting it. One little misunderstanding is all it takes to completely kill the attraction.

Just throw your nr and move on. She WILL call you.







Dude definitely gets " most arrogant poster of the year " award.

Enters threads where he ( completely unnecessary) says he" is not gonna read all this" ( and basically shyts on other people's opinions) but simultaneously writes novels about imagery adventures with washed up women. You know those men..they want you to listen but theyll have to go when you want to say some...

Gets glazed by one member and that is enough for him to feed his narcissism with. Super annoying dude who desperately tries to compensate for living at home like a teenager at 31 by spamming the forum with " proof he is such a big player".

The new razor rambo. All fake

Dude is very annoying, his demeanor is one that would get him slapped in the streets. Real definition of a passive aggressive narcissist.

You are forgetting this guy and his beautiful novels lol

Beauty is the wrapping, not the gift.

To all the men here chasing 'hot' women, beauty is the wrapping, not the gift. My neighbour commented today on a young woman leaving my house yesterday and called her gorgeous. Delilah is, indeed, gorgeous. Tall, raven mane, cat eyes, hawk nose, cupid lips, slim and fit, reminiscent of a...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Gamisch]

Yikes if you getting your Jimmies rustled over 55 year old women OP it's time to take a break from the game then work on stepping it up

This is true.

Most men will first feel the initial sting because of "push back" but when you let the dust settle and analyse what's been said you are absolutely right.

Let's first of all salute OP because he's honest and thus vulnerable. We need that so we can have in depth discussion rather than circle jerks. So I'll throw some of my vulnerable and embarrassing encounters. .

A year ago I was using Bumble and I was struggling. Matched with a 47 y.o VERY mediocre woman that wanted me to " confirm that I'm real" via a videocall. During the call I couldn't help but think how I'm 4 ,5 levels above her in looks. But..I was horny. Eventually I unmatched her and got back to my senses ,mainly because she lived too far away and I wasn't about to stay over at her place and cuddle or whatever.

But as being said , it DID made me wonder what the feck I was doing...spending time and more importantly ENERGY and KARMA on a low tier woman like that? I might need to reevaluate my entire existence...

THIS is reality for most men who want the easiest way out. It leads to situations like these with women like those. You gotta aim higher and view women like this as a 100% NONO.

 

[nismo-4]

@SW15 I actually like your posts in regards to swipe apps. Enter the judge.

I've seen this happening with 35-40 year old Millennial women. These aging Millennials are still acting like it's 2009 and they are 21-25.

This type of Millennial woman is mainly found on swipe apps.

Women don't grow up, they grow old. That's a bar.

I would not get with an attractive older woman at this point. There aren't that many attractive older women for an early 40s guy like me.

If Shakira and Beyoncé threw themselves at you or anybody on this forum, 255/256 guys would take that sex session and forego a night of playing Madden Call of Duty. Same with Halle Berry and Katy Perry. Let's not kid ourselves.

I look for women younger than myself. There are many women 40 and younger.

Agreed, but they still play games.

I do not play PlayStation games.

I never played Crash Bandicoot or Spyro a day in my life. I prefer Nintendo.

It's not much of one. Lexus cars are good cars. The car brands more likely to give a status bump are higher end than Lexus.

Women realized Lexus to be an upgraded Toyota. Needs to be some high end Deutsche or Italian car or outright supercar. But don't lead with your wallet.

It's an L. The whole situation was messed up. A 38 year old shouldn't be chasing a 55 year old. Rollo Tomassi has claimed that a 38 year old male is near peak male SMV. Why would a near peak SMV male chase a woman far beyond her peak?

I didn't chase. She wanted me to chase. It was a L for her because I was willing to walk away, and I actually did. She lost attention and someone she wanted to have as a dancing monkey. L for me because I didn't get laid. W was the fact I didn't take her out to Nobu just to get ghosted after. Peak male SMV if if the guy has the "sixes" in order. Regardless of age.

A 38 year old man could interact with a 55 year old woman in order to try to date her 22-30 year old daughter. That makes sense. That's also not an interaction that would happen on Hinge.

Another 1/256 occurence.

She does. Women in their late 40s and 50s always seem to have options from tech baseoccurrence.

Hell even those in their 60s and 70s have options! Men have always approached women, and there's simps everywhere. Hence why women have inflated egos and little respect for men.

Read between the lines. I did in that interaction and called her bluff. I can tell that girl ain't used to men doing that. She expected me to kiss her ass and be some simp orbiter, and I didn't. Don't be afraid to be a challenge or a jerk. Don't let a woman take your kindness for weakness.

 

[nismo-4]

This is the main reason why I don’t understand the scope of the thread. From my perspective, OP isn't seeking help to improve future interactions, but instead, it seems like he wants us to "roast" this woman simply because she's 55 years old on a dating app—and, also, just because she is a woman.

Personally I'm open to being critiqued. I don't care if you roast the girl.

It was a L hence why I posted it. Here's my perspective of the interaction: she wanted me to chase her (when she wanted my number...beta bait so she could be in control) like she's the prize. She thought her vagina was her be-all-end-all. I checked her, and she likely wasn't used to men doing that. Of course she got mad, and my standards pissed her off too. Of course I gave her an out by saying I'll end this here. Sure I set her emotions off and popped her ego, but nothing came out of it. Just me unmatching her. She probably got some simp to take her to Fogo De Chão a day later.

You might see it different than I did. Every guy can benefit from improvement. I got a better job and car for starters.

 

[SW15]

@nismo-4 -- I read between the lines with the red font comments.

You mentioned some celebrities. 3 out of the 4 celebrities are older than I am. Katy Perry is the only one that isn't. Katy Perry would be a younger woman for me. I just looked at a 2024 picture of Katy Perry. I'm not impressed. Her looks have fallen off since the 2008-2012 era. One of her big early songs was I Kissed a Girl, which was on an album that came out in June 2008 when she was 23. That's how I remembered her. She has a child now. I wouldn't have any long term future with Katy Perry due to her mom status if she were single. I wouldn't have much interest in her as a casual sex partner due to her parental responsibilities getting in the way of her freedom. I'd also have less in common with her now since she's a parent and I'm a non-parent. She is the only one I wouldn't eliminate right away due to age.

Don't lead with your wallet is good advice. A lot of men try to lead with their wallet. Sometimes men get into a situation where they think their choices are to lead with your wallet or get completely ignored. These men will choose to lead with a wallet.

I like the idea of a 38 year old man interacting with a 55 year old woman in a real life setting to possibly try to get an introduction to her 22-30 year old daughter or niece. I also agree that it would be a rare occurrence in a real life interaction. So many things would have to line up to make that possible. It is close to a 1/256 chance.

I did in that interaction

The interaction got to a point where it wasn't salvageable. You walked away and that has value. I don't think the interaction should have even begun.

It was a L hence why I posted it. Here's my perspective of the interaction: she wanted me to chase her (when she wanted my number...beta bait so she could be in control) like she's the prize. She thought her vagina was her be-all-end-all. I checked her, and she likely wasn't used to men doing that.

She's 55 and has spent most of the last 40 years interacting with beta males who thought she was the prize. If she had a past husband, he likely put her on a pedestal and was beta for a part of those 40 years. The feedback she's gotten over time would make her think that her vagina was the be-all, end-all. She likely wasn't used to men doing that, especially over text message from a stranger.

She probably got some simp to take her to Fogo De Chão a day later.

I agree with this. It's likely that some 55-65 year old aging beta male simped over her and did that.

 

[BPH]

Personally I'm open to being critiqued. I don't care if you roast the girl.

It was a L hence why I posted it. Here's my perspective of the interaction: she wanted me to chase her (when she wanted my number...beta bait so she could be in control) like she's the prize. She thought her vagina was her be-all-end-all. I checked her, and she likely wasn't used to men doing that. Of course she got mad, and my standards pissed her off too. Of course I gave her an out by saying I'll end this here. Sure I set her emotions off and popped her ego, but nothing came out of it. Just me unmatching her. She probably got some simp to take her to Fogo De Chão a day later.

You might see it different than I did. Every guy can benefit from improvement. I got a better job and car for starters.

Dude...

Your responses sound more like somebody who is jaded by women, than somebody who enjoys them.

Read how you're talking about this woman, even now.

All you had to do...literally the ONLY thing you had to do, was restate the question.

Instead, you self-rejected and assumed disinterest, put your foot down, and went "this is why you're still single". She wasn't "pissed off by your standards" - she thinks you're weird. You completely self-destructed over the course of 8 messages the MOMENT she went off-script and gave her a glimpse into the future of what it would be like if she were to date you. Which is why she, understandably, decided not to.

 

[GoodMan32]

I've had interactions where I've gotten frustrated because a woman in her 30s was playing games like a woman in the 18-25 range.



At age 38, it's not a good use of time. I will give 18-24s a pass on older women due to the hot mom/MILF fantasy. After that, once a man is older than enough women (usually happens around 25-27), then it is best to get a woman younger than he is.

I've seen examples of men who have slightly older girlfriends/wives because they usually met them prior to age 25. These are men going 1-3 years older, often through a social circle setup. That's not ideal and doesn't age well. All the men in these examples that I am thinking about are blue pill ideology, standard beta males.

Even for 18-24s, the hot mom fantasy is a waste of his time. His best options are with the women right around his own age.

You have a right to your opinion. Since I prefer much older, and apparently even a mod on this forum prefers (or is at least open to) much older, perhaps there's credence to the idea of a man going much older.

 

[GoodMan32]

This is true.

Most men will first feel the initial sting because of "push back" but when you let the dust settle and analyse what's been said you are absolutely right.

Let's first of all salute OP because he's honest and thus vulnerable. We need that so we can have in depth discussion rather than circle jerks. So I'll throw some of my vulnerable and embarrassing encounters. .

A year ago I was using Bumble and I was struggling. Matched with a 47 y.o VERY mediocre woman that wanted me to " confirm that I'm real" via a videocall. During the call I couldn't help but think how I'm 4 ,5 levels above her in looks. But..I was horny. Eventually I unmatched her and got back to my senses ,mainly because she lived too far away and I wasn't about to stay over at her place and cuddle or whatever.

But as being said , it DID made me wonder what the feck I was doing...spending time and more importantly ENERGY and KARMA on a low tier woman like that? I might need to reevaluate my entire existence...

THIS is reality for most men who want the easiest way out. It leads to situations like these with women like those. You gotta aim higher and view women like this as a 100% NONO.

If a man is prone to embarrassing strikeouts even with a woman well below him on the looks scale, wouldn't he be prone to even more humiliation if he aimed higher? (as a higher SMV woman has even more options, thus will have no qualms about humiliating any man who isn't a top tier alpha)

 

[GoodMan32]

One thing I'm going to address is the idea that the woman is in control when the man gives his number (as opposed to the woman giving her number)

Even if a woman gives you her number, the power still largely falls in her hands (as it's up to her whether to even reply). Plus, there's a decent chance she's giving a fake number.

There have been multiple instances where I've gotten a woman's number, only to get nowhere with her (Err, in one case, I got somewhere in a bad way: I had her threaten to rat me out to the cops)

 

[nismo-4]

@BPH This is a little of my take. I may be a mod here, but we're all human and imperfect. Enter the judge.

Well yeah...it's literally pinned to the top so it's the first thing anybody sees.

With great power comes great responsibility. We're only human. We as men actually care about results and outcomes.

Your responses sound more like somebody who is jaded by women, than somebody who enjoys them.

I never met a man who enjoys being flaked on, jerked around, friendzoned, etc. All men enjoy women when they're winning. Bad experience is a motherf*****.

I said this in another thread some time ago, but you don't have to "win" every interaction. This reads like you demand to be treated like a "high-value man" despite A. not being one, and B. while targeting women almost 20 years older than you who are still on dating apps.

I'm not a millionaire at all. I just have expectations. I don't consider myself high-value, nor do I run around saying it. Men should have boundaries and standards in interactions with women. Make a move even if it means taking a hit i.e. you get rejected or blocked.

I think a vast majority of this forum would do better with women if they enjoyed the interactions they have with them, rather than overanalyzing them.

Sounds like you enjoy being rejected, used, flaked, blocked, deleted, and ignored. If we don't analyze interactions, how do we improve? We have to learn where things went wrong to get strong. If I gave you 5 million dollars, a Lamborghini, and a poppin blue-checked IG with 100k followers. yeah you'd enjoy your interactions with women because they'd be actually interested and throwing panties at you. Most men are outcome dependent. Those that act outcome independent are often faking. Men need positive results, and consistent ones at that. Most guys get a lot of negative or worse neutral results. Good apples are needed. Having bad apples or no apples is never good.

Read between the lines. That's how I dodged that bullet.

 

[Solomon]

Dude...



Read how you're talking about this woman, even now.

All you had to do...literally the ONLY thing you had to do, was restate the question.

Instead, you self-rejected and assumed disinterest, put your foot down, and went "this is why you're still single". She wasn't "pissed off by your standards" - she thinks you're weird. You completely self-destructed over the course of 8 messages the MOMENT she went off-script and gave her a glimpse into the future of what it would be like if she were to date you. Which is why she, understandably, decided not to.

I salute OP for having the balls to be critiqued by posting this but I agree with BPH, OP started talking this high-value man nonsense and for what? If you're meeting women via OLD, the goal is to be fun(ny), and engaging and try to set up a date asap. Going back and forth with a broad who doesn't know you from a can of paint then posting this as an example is a lack self-awarness on OP's part. You do not have any value to a woman unless she is invested, her matching with you is low effort, even talking to you is low effort investment isn't made until you meet and beyond that.

OP huffing and puffing posting this on soasuve, meanwhile this girl has long forgotten about OP matched with a guy who is not spergen out and is excited to plan the date with the guy and possibly give him some cheeks.

 

[Gamisch]

If a man is prone to embarrassing strikeouts even with a woman well below him on the looks scale, wouldn't he be prone to even more humiliation if he aimed higher? (as a higher SMV woman has even more options, thus will have no qualms about humiliating any man who isn't a top tier alpha)

Damn Goodman, that's a great point. Use that side of your brain more often please

Here's another gem; in her eyes the main difference between badboy and beta can be how well you handle her shyte-test or any kinda negavtive push back she gives you in general.

The less reactive you are the more she will feel. Contrary to that : the easier you are to budge, the less respect she'll have for you. This problem becomes a self feeding monster, a perpetual loop where the man gets irritated by the woman/women while he doesn't realise that is HIM who's causing the issue.

On the other hand you can argue that some men have less patient with lesser women so they're behavior is worse.

There are levels to women's sh1ttest ,and it's a very thin line between just nagging and being disrespectful or passive aggressive.

 

[GoodMan32]

Damn Goodman, that's a great point. Use that side of your brain more often please

Here's another gem; in her eyes the main difference between badboy and beta can be how well you handle her shyte-test or any kinda negavtive push back she gives you in general.

The less reactive you are the more she will feel. Contrary to that : the easier you are to budge, the less respect she'll have for you. This problem becomes a self feeding monster, a perpetual loop where the man gets irritated by the woman/women while he doesn't realise that is HIM who's causing the issue.

On the other hand you can argue that some men have less patient with lesser women so they're behavior is worse.

There are levels to women's sh1ttest ,and it's a very thin line between just nagging and being disrespectful or passive aggressive.

The problem with sh1t tests is the fact even neurotypicals have a hard enough time passing sh1t tests. For an autist like me, sh1t tests are downright impossible.

Sh1t tests, by their very design, are stupid/unethical. Sh1t tests set a man up for failure.

College calculus is viewed as a weedout class for math/science-heavy majors. The professor wants as many students as possible to fail calculus (to make sure only "worthy" students stay in math/science-heavy majors). Same concept with a woman's sh1t tests. The woman wants as many men as possible to fail her sh1t test (to make sure only "worthy" men get the privilege of being with her)

It's been said before on the forum that a man and a woman approach dating very differently. A man looks for reasons to give a woman a chance; a woman looks for reasons to "next" a man (no matter how high her initial interest level is). How foolish for a woman with high interest level to subject the man to a sh1t test.

If I had my way, sh1t tests would be punishable by a decade behind bars.

One thing I'm going to disagree with is the idea that the easier you are to budge, the more of a beta you are. I'm going to explain why I disagree.

4 days after my last date, the woman started giving me attitude. The attitude got worse and worse as the day went on. By the end of the way, I proposed we part ways.

Using your logic, if I allowed her to continue disrespecting me, I'd somehow be a bad boy...yet by drawing a line in the sand (and basically telling her to scram for disrespecting me), I'm somehow a beta?

I'd say it's the other way around. Allowing the disrespect to continue even further would be the beta thing to do.

 

[DJ Novice]

The main aim of OLD is for you to set up an offline date as quick as possible once you have established some rapport. You shouldn’t be endlessly texting.

If you ask for a date and she declines or makes an excuse then move on to other prospects politely. I never go scorched earth on a woman who rejects a date as there is a chance that she may reach out to you in future or you could casually hit her up again in a few months time with a more positive response if you are still interested. I’d only reach out one more time though.

Many women have been on OLD apps for years due to their delusional expectations so chances are she will still be around.

Some women like to talk to you on the video or phone before having an in person date. Let her propose this. It’s a way that women screen for guys who might have great text game but poor real life conversational game. Show some personality; make her laugh. It’s not that hard.

 

[nismo-4]

I salute OP for having the balls to be critiqued by posting this but I agree with BPH, OP started talking this high-value man nonsense and for what? If you're meeting women via OLD, the goal is to be fun(ny), and engaging and try to set up a date asap. Going back and forth with a broad who doesn't know you from a can of paint then posting this as an example is a lack self-awarness on OP's part. You do not have any value to a woman unless she is invested, her matching with you is low effort, even talking to you is low effort investment isn't made until you meet and beyond that.

OP huffing and puffing posting this on soasuve, meanwhile this girl has long forgotten about OP matched with a guy who is not spergen out and is excited to plan the date with the guy and possibly give him some cheeks.

Glad to hear your take. Of course she forgot me. There's always a simp around the next turn for women anyway.

That's the problem, getting the woman to meet in the first place. There are women on these apps that are there for attention and validation only.

While online, your objective is to get her offline. Not to be a pen-pal or the e-friendzoned guy.

When men speak to women, 255/256 times he wants it to be sexual, if not something north of just being friends. When women speak to men, they tend to want something south of something romantic.

It's all fun and games until a woman's bluff is called. Then the REAL interest comes out. Is she into me, or a time-waster?