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ok some im getting some great responses from several respected members. thanks for the contributions fellas.

I want to let everyone to know that I am 100 percent serious about this venture. There is no reason why we can't each bring out the best in each other.

Right now here the tenative plan (subject to minor changes)

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Locations - Warm Climate in the US. Not a major city because rent costs would be substantial but something smaller like Tampa, Austin, Orlando, etc. I'm doing research on this right now.

Timeframe - I would like to start this project in March or early April. That way we could get our games calibrated for the summer. Plus that would give us enough time to get our affairs at home in order, scout out good locations, and save up money and work on our games.

Let me know if anyone has some ideas. We're going to make this thing work.
 

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In Harwood Heights, a suburb of chicago surrounded by Chicago (its a 1 square mile suburb population 8,000), the rent for a 3 bedroom house would be around $1,200-$1,500 or so.


If living expenses were no more than $2,000 a month total (rent + utilities + bills) we should be able to teach 1 workshop a month with like 5 students for $400 each and raise that money regularly so that everyone would have free living (minus food).

If we taught workshops more often, we could obviously turn this into a business. I am currently doing management in school, so I would be able to handle a lot of administrative work for the business in terms of incorporating, taking care of legalities, etc. Basically the business end of it I can do.

As long as we set up the business correctly and keep it 1 business in the house we are all part of we could be very successful. We could also develop our own unique style to teach and methods and make students sign non-compete agreements to make sure people don't steal our material.

I could even pitch and teach a seminar on cold reading/psychic readings!

Oh man! This has possibilities
 

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I'm Joe dirt- I 100% agree with you. I belive the FLAW of Project Hollywood was that they didnt have a JOINT venture, they had their own little buisnesses all under one roof (MM, RSD..etc)...we need to have 1 buisness that were all a part of, this will be much more sucessfull.

Sincerely
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Yeah, and the big problem with MM, the original, was that he didnt make his students sign a non-disclosure or non-compete agreements, which would have prevented all these little side businesses from springing up as a result of the Mystery Method.

I have the necessary knowledge to incorporate the business and keep it up, take care of paperwork, etc. If we can do this in Chicago I would be more than likely in and I could make this a success.

We could run this as a C-Corporation, and every member of the house would have an equal share on the board of directors. The corporation could pay rent and some utilities and stuff, which would mean that before anyone gets paid the basics would be covered. Then we would decide a pay structure for everyone based on how the program or whatever business model we choose works.

Being a C-Corporation we could also sell some shares to raise money for the project if we could find enough people online interested enough to put down some cash. That way when we'd turn profits they'd get something out of it too. If we could find enough investors to raise $10,000 or $15,000 or even more we would have a better situation starting up than just using our own resources.

We'd also be protected from risk if anything goes terribly wrong and we get sued.

We could advertise on college campii in the area, tons of community colleges and universities in Chicago so that'd be a big market. Also there is a ton of clubs all over the place to go to in order to run workshops.
 
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man joe dirt i like that idea.

never really explored Chicago but that is definitely an awesome city. workshops are an awesome idea.

get at me man..i like the way you think

jason2020@gmail.com
 

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This is something to do with your buddies, not strangers off of the internet.
 

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Roomates

Well, if you want a nice pad in the city roomates are the only way to go.

As far as something in Chicago, I am going to look for housing up that way next month. I could just go to school down here in St. Louis still, but I have a feeling Chicago would allow me to expand my horizons and (hopefully) learn something new.

I wouldn't mind splitting rent with some guys. I am not really interested in doing any teaching, though. I try to help guys and myself without charge. If anything, I'd be a ag along, not a paid instructor.
 

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i live in florida so i would be very interested in doing this if it were in say, tampa, orlando, or miami

i dont graduate until late may though
 

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harwood heights... isnt that one of the slums? lol

if you really want a cool place in chicago it would have to be a nice loft somewhere in north river, west loop, lincoln park or lakeview..
 

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Originally posted by Brian20o2
this is such a cool idea...
sux im 16 and merly a RAFC
Who gives a sh!t how old u are, GET OUT THERE AND DO YOUR THING. You have to start somewhere.

kthanxbye.


Laterz...
 

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Most people you meet in the pick up community are nerds and social losers who overanalyse and talk game all day in an attempt to get laid. Even your interactions with the ones who are cool will consist of mostly game-talk.
Do you really want to live in a house with people like that all day?
Day in, day out.. "Oh, I approached a 2set this morning..." "Hey when do you think I should call this girl" "Check out my new neg man"
I would very much like to separate my sarging from my domestic life thank you very much. Project Hollywood also went to crap because Mystery's wingman (who lived there) also started f***ing his ex-wife/fiance and bringing her over, after Mystery and her broke up, and there were a number of domestic incidents from what I hear, resulting in Mystery moving out. But hey, **** happens when you bring your game home with you every night.
 

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harwood heights... isnt that one of the slums? lol

if you really want a cool place in chicago it would have to be a nice loft somewhere in north river, west loop, lincoln park or lakeview..
Harwood Heights is a upper middle class suburb in the northwest side, roughly 1 square mile in territory. Average price to buy property here is about $375,000 for a small 1 family, 3 bedroom house or about $350,000 for a 2 bedroom condo, rent however runs about $700 for a 1 bedroom and goes up from there, so its more reasonable than the property you can buy. Its about 95% white, pretty much no crime, and its close to everything (in terms of trains, buses, etc.)

A loft in the areas you mentioned would definitley be out of the price reach of anyone on here, unless someone here wants to treat the rest of us and pay the $5,000 or more in rent. Besides, those kinds of places are overrated.

I would prefer to live a more regular lifestyle. Sure we can have a plasma TV on the wall or some luxuries, and we wouldnt be living in a total dump, but we're not millionaires so lets not be posers and act like we are by living outside of our means.

I am very comfortable where I'm at in terms of living with my family and I would definitley continue this standard of living I have now. To get some fancy lofts - hell to get anything called a "loft" - and bells and whistles is just purley for show off, its neither practical nor necessary to our goals, and it just makes costs rise making this standard of life unsustainable.

How many of us could really even afford to pay over a thousand dollars in rent by ourselves not to mention food and other bills? It might be a few months before the business-end starts turning a profit and getting clients, so every member should be ready to at least have some sort of job or money saved up to be able to afford to keep the project going for maybe 4-6 months.

Even when the business end does take off but not to a high enough extent, it would in a low rent scenario be just fine, where as the pressure would be on and would result in failure in a fancy "loft"

What if a member of the project moves out for whatever reason? If we're paying $5k for rent alone for 4 people, $1,250 is a lot of rent to make up for. Whose going to pick that tab up while we find another room mate? Its far easier to rent a house for $1,200-$1,500 total and picking up an additional $375 (meaning each roommate would have to pitch in roughly $125 to make up the difference) than it is to make up a $1,250 defict (in which case each roommate would have an additional $420 burden, which is a lot).

Think practical guys. I know itd be "really cool" to live like millionaires, but unless someone in this project actually is one it could very quickly and easily lead to financial ruin and failure of the whole project.

This project to me is about more chances for self improvement and perhaps starting a business. Its not about "living the high roller life" and moving back in with our parents a year later, broke with $10,000 credit card debt, and not having accomplished a single objective successfully because we were too distracted acting like something we're not (millionaires).

I think this is a cool idea, if anything for a chance to explore an interesting area of human interaction. For me, the attractive proposition is running a business out of it. I have always had the enterpenurial spirit, and this would present a great opportunity to start and grow a business. Just because we'd all be in on this doesn't mean our personal relationships would be limited to talking about game.

Hell, we are here on an online community about Game and what do we have? A very active off topic forum. And no one forces us to come to this website, so even though we are here SPECIFICALLY for game-talk and advice we still find a way to discuss other things. Now if you spend a lot of time with people you will no doubt talk about other things too.

Naturally though we need to screen candidates. I REFUSE to enter into any project with someone who is just interested in being a show off and getting laid. If you're in this or want to be in this just because you want some, and you think this is all about chiling and partying all the time, then this project is not for you.

If you want to improve yourself, learn new skills ranging from pickup to business skills like marketing, accounting, management, small business administration (and others we'd be using and learning everyday to make this project a success), if you are ready to work hard and make running the project and the business one of your priorities (that means a full time commitment), then you should consider signing up.

No slackers allowed. If I talk to you and I get the vibe from you that you're just in it to hang out, have fun, and get girls, you are going to drag the project down.
 
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Originally posted by ~ªêQµïTª$~
Who gives a sh!t how old u are, GET OUT THERE AND DO YOUR THING. You have to start somewhere.
i was saying i was 16 because i cant just move out of my house and go live with some DJs in chicago. i still have to graduate dumba**.

oh and i do go out and "do my thing" on a regular basis
 

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Why don't you guys just have more than one? Have the best don juans lead each sector. This way more people are included than just one project and if this thing were to succeed you would just expand anyway.
 

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Originally posted by I'm Joe Dirt
Harwood Heights is a upper middle class suburb in the northwest side, roughly 1 square mile in territory. Average price to buy property here is about $375,000 for a small 1 family, 3 bedroom house or about $350,000 for a 2 bedroom condo, rent however runs about $700 for a 1 bedroom and goes up from there, so its more reasonable than the property you can buy. Its about 95% white, pretty much no crime, and its close to everything (in terms of trains, buses, etc.)

A loft in the areas you mentioned would definitley be out of the price reach of anyone on here, unless someone here wants to treat the rest of us and pay the $5,000 or more in rent. Besides, those kinds of places are overrated.

I would prefer to live a more regular lifestyle. Sure we can have a plasma TV on the wall or some luxuries, and we wouldnt be living in a total dump, but we're not millionaires so lets not be posers and act like we are by living outside of our means.

I am very comfortable where I'm at in terms of living with my family and I would definitley continue this standard of living I have now. To get some fancy lofts - hell to get anything called a "loft" - and bells and whistles is just purley for show off, its neither practical nor necessary to our goals, and it just makes costs rise making this standard of life unsustainable.

How many of us could really even afford to pay over a thousand dollars in rent by ourselves not to mention food and other bills? It might be a few months before the business-end starts turning a profit and getting clients, so every member should be ready to at least have some sort of job or money saved up to be able to afford to keep the project going for maybe 4-6 months.

Even when the business end does take off but not to a high enough extent, it would in a low rent scenario be just fine, where as the pressure would be on and would result in failure in a fancy "loft"

What if a member of the project moves out for whatever reason? If we're paying $5k for rent alone for 4 people, $1,250 is a lot of rent to make up for. Whose going to pick that tab up while we find another room mate? Its far easier to rent a house for $1,200-$1,500 total and picking up an additional $375 (meaning each roommate would have to pitch in roughly $125 to make up the difference) than it is to make up a $1,250 defict (in which case each roommate would have an additional $420 burden, which is a lot).

Think practical guys. I know itd be "really cool" to live like millionaires, but unless someone in this project actually is one it could very quickly and easily lead to financial ruin and failure of the whole project.

This project to me is about more chances for self improvement and perhaps starting a business. Its not about "living the high roller life" and moving back in with our parents a year later, broke with $10,000 credit card debt, and not having accomplished a single objective successfully because we were too distracted acting like something we're not (millionaires).

I think this is a cool idea, if anything for a chance to explore an interesting area of human interaction. For me, the attractive proposition is running a business out of it. I have always had the enterpenurial spirit, and this would present a great opportunity to start and grow a business. Just because we'd all be in on this doesn't mean our personal relationships would be limited to talking about game.

Hell, we are here on an online community about Game and what do we have? A very active off topic forum. And no one forces us to come to this website, so even though we are here SPECIFICALLY for game-talk and advice we still find a way to discuss other things. Now if you spend a lot of time with people you will no doubt talk about other things too.

Naturally though we need to screen candidates. I REFUSE to enter into any project with someone who is just interested in being a show off and getting laid. If you're in this or want to be in this just because you want some, and you think this is all about chiling and partying all the time, then this project is not for you.

If you want to improve yourself, learn new skills ranging from pickup to business skills like marketing, accounting, management, small business administration (and others we'd be using and learning everyday to make this project a success), if you are ready to work hard and make running the project and the business one of your priorities (that means a full time commitment), then you should consider signing up.

No slackers allowed. If I talk to you and I get the vibe from you that you're just in it to hang out, have fun, and get girls, you are going to drag the project down.
sorry dude but its lame lame lame..

i learned business in business school and by starting my own ****. the only priority in a project such as this should be to work on your game and get laid, **** everything else..

sure it would be nice to learn some advanced skills together (NLP, etc) but thats about as far as it would go..

you wanna get fit, go find good workout buddies and work out 4 days a week, wanna learn business - go to biz school or open your own if you are not a school type, and so on..

anyways, this wouldn't work. Like i said, i believe this works much better as a sarging group/lair structure.

just my $0.02

p.s. and i still think that you'd have to be in the city for it to work - seriously, being in the middle of it all and the ability to bring girls home by walking a few blocks or hailing a cab >>>> anything else. If i wanna sarge, I can have about 5-10 chances for every block i walk in my hood.. not to mentnion any store/bar/coffee shop/etc
 

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What do you mean it wont work? How do you measure what works what doesn't.

Failure is measured by not achieving our objectives. What we need to do is just set some objectives, and then do what we have to do to make them.

Harwood Heights is a good place, or the area around it. Plenty of public places, one of the northwest side's most popular malls and shopping areas is a 10 minute WALK away, there are several bars in and around Harwood Heights (one of which I know the owner of) and great access to everything. There is also lots of jobs available in the area.

Going back to what works what doesn't, its all a matter of what you want to accomplish. My goals for moving out in general are attaining freedom, and my secondary goal is to make some money so I can continue to live free, third I would like to learn some new things and do some self-improvement.

As a Management major I have taken all kinds of business classes already and I have been into this stuff for years (I used to read Economics text books for fun). I think It'd be cool to start up a business about this stuff, and I think it could be a pretty successful business in that it can finance living together in a house and give us a great learning experience.

If we were to do this, my goal would be to be able to look back at it 5 years later and say "yeah, thats what helped me get to the next level not only with women but in life, its what helped me set a more solid foundation and I am a better person for having gone through this". That's my goal. That's the criteria on which I would judge if this "works".
 

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I highly doubt something like this would work, simply because of the personality clashes and everyone's own personal habits.

Imagine living with the people you work with at your job. I couldn't do it. I'd kill the purchasing manager within a week.
 
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