pook's 15 lessons are MISLEADING... also why SELF IMPROVEMENT SHOULD NOT BE THE FOCUS

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uhhh great. Reading the thread I was thinking the whole time uhh if you just want pvssy than work the fvck out. the other things like good jobs are fvcking redicoulous for getting pvssy. only if u want a LTR with a chick that cheats on you than go that route, lol.

after you have worked out for some time and have a clean appearance,

than you don't need to be well-read, a good convertionalist, a good job, interesting hobbys,naaaaaah! this sh1t is MUCH overated for getting pvssy.

also, you don't need perfect lines, just approach
 

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If you are on here asking how to get laid then that clearly means you have no clue on how to get laid. So why would you debate others post who are clearly trying to help. That is like debating a doctor who is performing an operation after you called him for help cause you have no clue what to do. That is why pride comes before the fall, because it clouds your mind. YOU HAVE ABSOULTLY NO CLUE HOW TO GET WOMEN OR LAID! That is a fact so it is not prudent to debate any other train of thought that is different then yours because yours hasn't been working so far.
 

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DELTA, you've yet to confront the "now what?" question. The only reason anyone, male or female is in the gym is to improve their sex lives. At least this is the basis of it. I'm sure Dorian Yates or Lee Haney first started working out in order to get hotter women and later parlayed this into a Mr. Olympia title, but the began with a desire for self-improvement. I see dozens of divorced women in the gym who are there for the first time in most of their lives in order to get 'back in the saddle'. But statistically most of them will only fall right back into their old routines once their physique is acceptable enough to get another guy to commit to providing for her (and accidental children).

But "now what?" Take your impulse to the logical conclusion, what if you had the magical ability to successfully seduce any woman you wanted at any time? Unlimited access to unlimited partners, then what? As I said, loser Jerks and AFCs can and do get laid, but then what? More often than not, by virtue of being loser Jerks and AFCs they entrap themselves in life altering situations (illegitimate prregnancy, pvssywhipedness, self-defeating-self-damaging relationships) because they never move to the next phase of maturity and self-mastery. Pook doesn't say not to get laid or that getting laid for the sake of getting laid is bad. Only that it comes to a logical "now what?" question. The responsibility you have to yourself in being the prize isn't just about hooking up. That's an important part of course, but being the prize apllies to yourself as well as women.
 

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Delta:

If I'm reading your right it sounds like you are already successful and happy with your life and yet you still can't get women. Is that correct?

For a long time I've seen this as a central problem with Pook's and the other self-improvement crowd's ideas. I've known men who were very successful in their lives and happy at what they were doing and yet couldn't attract a woman to save their own lives.

The men I'm thinking of all came from different professions, ranged in looks from ugly to handsome; but all were otherwise successful. Pook and his worshipers never understood that you CAN be successful and you CAN be happy with your life and you CAN be happy with who you are and yet still be ignored by women.

So what do you do when you have everything you are supposed to need to attract women and yet you are reguarly turned down for dates? What do you do when you know that you're da ****in' bomb but you are invisible to the fair sex?

I think I know how this situation comes about, but it would take to long to get into right now.
 

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Originally posted by Delta
howdy sm,

well, maybe I'M being ruther unfair and simplifying too much but if your nickname is MOOSE in high school, i don't care how many chicks you get or the quality of your social skills... it's the nfl or the scrap yard for that guy.

i don't doubt what you say about social skills and i'm sure for those in school with a great deal of it, it works to their advantage in the work place.

but i don't see the CONVERSE being true... that the geeks WITHOUT social skills to speak of end up doing badly.

in fact, i've read something somewhere that a disproportionate percentage of the population of silicon valley were MILD AUTISTICS....

so with geeks, it may turn out that overwhelming aptitude can make up for lack of social graces.
This kind of reminds me of Average Joe....The Average Joes were nerds and whatnot when they were kids and they had to go up against the studs and sh1t...The sad thing is, was that some of the dudes could of had the girls if they had the skills and confidence to go at her...Plus they had no game at all...It doesnt matter how well you do in life, if you dont have game and you arnt attractive to women, you arnt gonna get sh1t at all...Maybe a gold digger might mess with you, but shes just doing it for the money, and I know people dont want that...It sounds like you already have your life togther, you just need game...The reason why people talk about self improvement is because you need status to back up your game and appearance...Alot of girls dont mess with dudes with no clout...
 

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Originally posted by ShortTimer
Delta:

If I'm reading your right it sounds like you are already successful and happy with your life and yet you still can't get women. Is that correct?

For a long time I've seen this as a central problem with Pook's and the other self-improvement crowd's ideas. I've known men who were very successful in their lives and happy at what they were doing and yet couldn't attract a woman to save their own lives.

The men I'm thinking of all came from different professions, ranged in looks from ugly to handsome; but all were otherwise successful. Pook and his worshipers never understood that you CAN be successful and you CAN be happy with your life and you CAN be happy with who you are and yet still be ignored by women.

So what do you do when you have everything you are supposed to need to attract women and yet you are reguarly turned down for dates? What do you do when you know that you're da ****in' bomb but you are invisible to the fair sex?

I think I know how this situation comes about, but it would take to long to get into right now.
Exactly! That's exactly what I was getting at earlier.
 

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Originally posted by ShortTimer
Delta:
The men I'm thinking of all came from different professions, ranged in looks from ugly to handsome; but all were otherwise successful. Pook and his worshipers never understood that you CAN be successful and you CAN be happy with your life and you CAN be happy with who you are and yet still be ignored by women.
1) Are any of these men desperate and needy? Does their desperation show when they pursue the woman they are after?

2) Are these men excellent conversationalists with a superb sense of humor?

3) Do any of these men understand how women think? Or perhaps, I should say, how women feel?

4) Do any of these men have the balls to approach women on a constant basis? Are they afraid of rejection?

There are lots of avenues to improving yourself. For example, take point 3). You can never learn enough about what make women *tick*. And if you pay attention to Pook's writing, he has done his fair share of learning on this area.

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Re:

To a degree, I agree.

In a post, you may or may not have read, I made mention to the "idealism" present on the site. It got knocked around a bit, but I stand by it wholeheartedly. And you can sense it day in and day out as guys' muse over

"The essence of a DJ."

"The traits of a DJ."

"The music of a DJ."

Like we're designing a super-race of men to control women.

While I don't personally enjoy sex with lifeless women, or one night stands, if you want pvssy, you want pvssy. And when you've had your fill, you'll gravitate toward a higher plane, or not. Your call.

The world HOWEVER, does need a serious wake-up to humanity as, aside from a goodly portion of people, few make strides to better themselves. Oh sure, they post here, or buy "Think and Grow Rich," or DYD, but do they use? Are they constantly trying to master themselves and their life? No.

As humans we grow and die through our own improvement. Our end is inevitable, just as a tree springs forth from an acorn, and becomes a tree, then firewood, so too will we spring forth from cells, to a baby, to human, to passing off earth. Our only growth, truly is spiritually. What we impart on ourselves and others. Yeah, you can get a cushy state job or factory job, keep your needs low, and generally take care of yourself, but then 1 day you awaken and see life passed you by. That your talents lied dormant all along, and thus, your life has been taken away from you. I, for one, don't want this, so I for one, stress improvement, never complaceny. And it has worked immensely well in life, in bed, and with women.

The hardest things in life very often yield the greatest rewards.

The most satisfying things in life have given me the greatest pleasure. From being patient over persuing a woman, to contacts in business, the better reward always came with patience.



Short-term flings are a matter of confidence, resilience, and approaching. The more ladies you approach, the more you get. I would just clarify what you mean when you say you don't need to self improve or that Pook is off. Certainly, both are off if you aim to go out tonight and lay a girl. BUT, in the long run you will be able to lay multiple girls in one night or a new girl every week if you so choose.


One thing I make mention due to the idealism of the journey is that...

The emphasis can be on your or on her, but it can't be on both.

Meaning, YOU can learn every trait in the book to effectively seduce a woman, OR, you can learn every improvement to yourself to ATTRACT them to you and be able to recognize BUYING signals effectively. YOU CAN'T DO BOTH. Not effectively anyway. Don't half azz this part.

I would suggest that sections of the DJ Bible provide info on laying quickly. Also, see stuff by Ross Jeffries, DYD, SwingCat, Thundercat, Mystery, and THe Dating Insider ($100). I have a library of stuff for S/T and L/T hookups, both chock full of info, some I use, some I don't. My own propensity is to weed out flakes and find a girl to date consistently. The S/T stuff is easy. The L/T stuff takes more talent.


By yes, the over idealism of self improvement creates an aura of arrogance, as if every woman is wrong and should be NEXTED. A button made for the automated response "NEXT HER" should be installed, as I hear it all the time, yet most situations are so situational, that even if you recorded it, EVERY guy here would see something different and react differently so much so, that a definitive answer is impossible.


Besides, this is life. It's meant to be explored, discoverd, and enjoyed, not over analyzed or played like Stratego. That right there would free alot of pent up souls on these boards, guys who are SO stressed as if mastering women can be accomplished without detriment to another aspect of life. And when you get there, it still won't prevent total flackage and the eccentricities of women. A great ass will eventually sag, and tits will eventually stretch, BUT you, YOU WILL ENDURE.




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Originally posted by Maximus_Decimus
1) Are any of these men desperate and needy? ... And if you pay attention to Pook's writing, he has done his fair share of learning on this area.

Maximus_Decimus
You're proving my point by asking these questions. "Game" and "success" are two different things. A man can be successful and happy with his life but have no game and get no women. The whole "self improvement" thing really misses the point when it comes to getting women. If you improve areas that have nothing to directly do with getting chicks, then… well… you won’t get chicks.

You could be the greatest man on the planet but if you have no game you aren't getting any. This is why losers get women: they have game. It doesn't matter how wonderful a man is: if he doesn't obey the superficial and fundamentally stupid social conventions of his culture then he's left out in the cold because the dumb *****es don't understand that all of their "glamour" and “parties” and other bull**** really has no intrinsic value.

I would give anything to once, just once make a woman see thru the façade that they put up and value. I didn’t like any of the movies myself, but if I could just hold down one of these stupid Paris Hilton / Lindsay Lohan clones and feed them a goddamn red-pill it would make my ****ing day. Shatter her ****ing mind, show her the lies she’s been living and then maybe, just maybe, build a decent human being out of her. Ok, I’m going off topic…

My point is, women are seduced by appearance: not by reality. They watch shows like Survivor and The Batchlorette and think "that's how it really is!" What the dumb ****s need is a tour in Iraq to see some real human drama.
 

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Originally posted by ShortTimer
You're proving my point by asking these questions. "Game" and "success" are two different things. A man can be successful and happy with his life but have no game and get no women. The whole "self improvement" thing really misses the point when it comes to getting women. If you improve areas that have nothing to directly do with getting chicks, then… well… you won’t get chicks.
Yes, I agree with this. The biggest nerd/geek in High School that gets top grades (he is succeeding grade wise) will also be the biggest turn off to women. The problem is, people here read Pook too literally. And this is why they are confused. I doubt that Pook meant not to improve yourself in aspects that would help you with women or with people in general.

You could be the greatest man on the planet but if you have no game you aren't getting any. This is why losers get women: they have game. It doesn't matter how wonderful a man is: if he doesn't obey the superficial and fundamentally stupid social conventions of his culture then he's left out in the cold because the dumb *****es don't understand that all of their "glamour" and “parties” and other bull**** really has no intrinsic value.
That depends on your definition of "loser." I give you two people:

a) Highly payed IT nerd with bad social skills:

Yes, this person has succeeded career wise. However, he lacks decent social skills, is absurdly boring to talk to (except when it concerns the latest computer periperhals and technology), and is totally androgynous.

b) Lowly paid Mcdonalds good looking stud that is exciting to hang with:

This person has failed in his career. However, he has excellent social skills, is exceptionally funny and entertaining, has lots of female friends, and the ladies find him extremely masculine.

Which one would a HB really like to f*ck? Which one would the HB use as an extra bank account?

Obviously, the lowly paid Mcdonald's stud has something the highly paid IT nerd doesn't ... social skills, a sense of humor, and an exciting and vibrant personality.

My point is, women are seduced by appearance: not by reality. They watch shows like Survivor and The Batchlorette and think "that's how it really is!" What the dumb ****s need is a tour in Iraq to see some real human drama. [/B]
Yes, I agree with you here. Women are very superficial. This has already been covered by Deep Dish:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=32713&highlight=society

And if you have "game," you will use their superficial attitudes to your own advantage.

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Originally posted by Delta

i don't know who you're talking about at the unemployment lines but i happen to be a class A, card carrying, third degree black belted GEEK.

y'know, the slide rule carrying kind?

we may be spectacularly unsuccessful with women but this does NOT (contrary to popular wisdom round these parts) translate into lack of success in our professional lives.
If you are hanging around other nerds/geeks, I suggest you find a new circle of friends that are not nerds/geeks to help develop better social skills.

Next, read some stuff by Vassago (one of the posters here that appeared on an Elimidate episode and won it). Start here:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=29494&highlight=cool

And yes, women do go to bed with really, really, rich nerds. But do they like him or rather the $$$ and power that comes with him?

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Let's put this bullshyt to rest boys.

If you can't get laid it's because the women you wish to lay don't find you attractive.

If they did, you would be fvcking them RIGHT NOW instead of searching for a piece of magic that will help you get pvssy.

If you are an ugly fawk then do something about it. If you are a skinny fawk then do something about it. If you are a stupid fawk then read a book. If your personality sucks then change it. Etc.

That is the message in Pook's word's. Nobody said you have to become a titan.

If you are an ugly, skinny, stupid fawk with the personality of a rock yes you CAN get laid. Its not going to be a regular thing for you and you are going to have to work very hard and be very persistent. Your standards are going to have to be pretty damn low and alcohol may be required.


Self Improvement = Attraction

Attraction = More Pvssy

Do the math buddy.
 

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Delta from what I have read of you your whole motivation for getting any girl is sex. Why blame pook for this? What he is saying is by no means incorrect. Go to do a different site this is not the right site for you. It sounds like you're being true to yourself here but face it: Any homeless crack head can get pvssy. A hooker or a fat chick!
The reason for his self-improvement and his threads are not for just getting a quick fvck. It's for yourself and girls to be attracted to you. It's for reaching nirvana in your life or getting a girl that ACTUALLY likes you.
...And about the nerd thing I know popular people in our school that are so called nerds (play LOTS of video games). But they have social skills. And know how to interact with other people.

Just so you know it's easy to BLAME OTHER PEOPLE FOR YOUR MISFORTUNES AND FAILURE. BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT IT'S YOU RUNNING YOUR LIFE NOT THEM.
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Originally posted by Maximus_Decimus
Yes, I agree with this. The biggest nerd/geek in High School that gets top grades (he is succeeding grade wise) will also be the biggest turn off to women. The problem is, people here read Pook too literally. And this is why they are confused. I doubt that Pook meant not to improve yourself in aspects that would help you with women or with people in general.
If I recall correctly Pook mentioned specific activities like sports, outdoors stuff and other "action" oriented activities that "a man is supposed to do." :rolleyes: Those things in general will not help you with women. Not in and of themselves. They may get you out of the house more often to meet women but you still need OTHER skills to attract them.

a) Highly payed IT nerd with bad social skills:

Yes, this person has succeeded career wise. However, he lacks decent social skills, is absurdly boring to talk to (except when it concerns the latest computer periperhals and technology), and is totally androgynous.
I'm glad you brought this up. What you are talking about here comes down to a value judgement. These judgements are fundamentally subjective and what is boring to you may not be boring to someone else. While I would agree that someone with bad manners needs help, who are you to poo-poo what someone else has a passion for? Ok, you may think computers or history is boring. Maybe you'd go numb with apathy watching a Manchester United game.

The real problem isn't that a person is boring: the problem is they don't share interests with most of the rest of society. They don't follow the herd, and thus they are outcast.

Obviously, the lowly paid Mcdonald's stud has something the highly paid IT nerd doesn't ... social skills, a sense of humor, and an exciting and vibrant personality.
Again, most of what you are naming are subjective value judgements. Why should the nerd change if he is actually happy with who he is? I've met scientists that are very passionate about what they do and just love their jobs. You can see them come alive and become so vibrant when they talk about their passions.

But what they enjoy isn't what most people enjoy. What they like isn't well understood by the majority. The problem isn't what they like, the problem is they are too different. People can't relate to them, so they reject them.

Now I'm not going to make excuses for anyone who has bad manners. But what I will defend are the men out there who are happy with who they are and are passionate about what they do and yet fail because they have no game. I'm hoping by now it's becoming clearer that the skills it takes to get women and the skills for self-improvement and self-actuallization are NOT the same thing.

And if you have "game," you will use their superficial attitudes to your own advantage.
Oh I'm all about using people's weaknesses against them.

If you are hanging around other nerds/geeks, I suggest you find a new circle of friends that are not nerds/geeks to help develop better social skills.
You DO realize that not all "geeks" have poor social skills right?
 

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alright, i'm not reading all of this, so if i say anything that's already been said... well, f.uck you then....

the reason that pook probably stresses self improvement is for the "karate kid" reason...
(you learn karate secretly by waxing on and off, without realizing you're doing it)

no you DON'T need to have money to approach women...

but notice that rich guys feel that they deserve to approach hot women, since society approves of them being rich?

so you can either go IMPROVE your self, and as the improvements come, your game improves suddenly and you don't know why, OR

you can just focus on DJ skills directly... it's up to you
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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actually,

i think a HIDDEN REASON why i think i have a problem with the desire for a woman MOTIVATING SELF IMPROVEMENT is that MORE THAN EVER, YOU TAKE ON AFC BEHAVIOR.

an AFC buckles to a hot chick's every whim. he hands her the steering wheel and when she says jump, he asks how high.

that may be bad in a social situation but when you MOLD YOUR VERY LIFE TO WHAT HOT CHICK WANTS, WHEN YOU CHANGE YOUR VERY VALUES AND DESIRES AND PRIORITIES AND AMBITIONS JUST TO GET A WOMAN...?

isn't self improvement motivated by women THE PINNACLE OF AFCNESS?!

if this forum is about self improvement - FINE.

but if people come here looking for how to get chicks and you tell them to become every woman's wet dream... aren't you condemning them to being a lifelong and wildly enthusiastic afc?

does anyone follow that logic?

in a sense, that seems weaker, conformist and more enslaved than the 31 year old geek who is really proud of his prowess in star wars trivia. at least no one told him to be enthusiastic about that.

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The only thing that is relevant is WHAT WORKS to get the chick?

Whatever it is -- it must be internalized.

If you think that seeking approval does not work, than don't seek approval.

But than by not seeking approval, you are still seeking approval, because you are doing it (or not doing it) to attract her, right?

You will find that there is a paradox in the alleyway of every shortcut in life.

That's all for now.
 

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Originally posted by ShortTimer
But what I will defend are the men out there who are happy with who they are and are passionate about what they do and yet fail because they have no game. I'm hoping by now it's becoming clearer that the skills it takes to get women and the skills for self-improvement and self-actuallization are NOT the same thing.
If you read my response carefully, I never said to drop one's passion. You can keep your passion but that doesn't mean you should neglect developing other areas of your life.

I'm hoping by now it's becoming clearer that the skills it takes to get women and the skills for self-improvement and self-actuallization are NOT the same thing.
There is no doubt that you can self-improve in areas that will make you more attractive to women. Who is debating this? And if you think that Pook doesn't realize this as well, I have no idea why he spent a whole thread on bulking up:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=60002&highlight=skinny

Oh I'm all about using people's weaknesses against them.
So, you never make a woman jealous? You never get them to chase you? You never tap into their feelings? You never use social proof? You never use humor to diffuse a situation? You never use negative hits?

This is why losers get women: they have game.
BTW, I am still waiting for your definition of "loser." Chances are, the same people that you see as "losers" who get women, I see something they have of value that I could potentially learn from.

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Originally posted by Delta
and so SELF HELP in this forum misses the point by a LARGE MARGIN
w3rd.

I've been saying that for a while now...

I come here to learn 'secrets' to banging women. If I want self-improvement, I'll go to a self-imporvement board.

Cheers!

Eric
 

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Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
To Quote POOK (again):

Being a Don Juan is not a net sum of smooth manuevers and methods but of your own outlook on the world and on women. ANYONE can memorize 'techniques', but FEW can change the way HOW they think. Women will be able to sniff out the former. But with the latter, women will be clawing each other for you.

A Don Juan is a state of mind, not a list of methods and tricks.


I regularly got laid as an AFC in my 20's. I was a pathetic teenage kid up to that point that bought all the crap about 'what women want' (told to me by girls of course) until I finally found a girl willing to fvck me on a regular basis at age 17. This then lead to a whole slew of new problems because now I was a placating AFC willing to compromise my own personality, ambitions and future for the sake of getting off with a girl who later cheated on me after I had moved 400 miles from home at 19 in order to 'keep it together'. As an AFC I thought this was the 'right thing to do', every girl I'd spoken to told me so. After I moved back, rather than get into college like I should have by this point, I started playing in bands in Hollywood. Why? It certainly wasn't the money, you guessed it, it was the pvssy. And easy pvssy at that! I figured out what worked for me, I had straight, long blond hair, I played bass. I'm actually a better guitarist, but bands needed bass players then and if you were in a band you could get laid. And laid I got, every week it was someone new, man you cannot imagine the variety of trim I got. But I was still an AFC. I was an AFC who'd figured out a specific formula to get girls to buy him drinks (I had no money!), take him home to their place (I lived with my Dad at the time), screw the hell out of him and move on to the next gig and the next broad. I had a harem of booty calls. This is the ideal situation for the AFC, he gets what he thinks he wants and is justified in his understanding by his successes. That is until he meets the psycho-b!tch.

Psycho-b!tch bangs the AFC like he's never had it before. She is the craziest lay he's ever had up to this point, unfortunately she's equally insane out of bed as well. But AFC is blind to this, she is the BEST girl he's ever hit it with. The BEST lay, the BEST looking, the BEST dressing, the BEST ever so much so that he never notices her personality disorders. How could he, he's never been educated to know the signs, he's never taken the time to improve himself to know how to be discerning and see the signs and be selective. All he knows is he's regularly getting the BEST sex of his life, even if it requires him to put up with her violent insecurities in public at times. In fact she becomes so insecure that she demands AFC stop playing in bands. This is never vocalized by her, it is implied in her behaviors and innuendos and psychotic 'episodes'. AFC thinks, "what the hell, I'm getting the BEST sex I can possibly get. Why not quit playing out all the time? Afterall it's the 'right thing to do'". So AFC gives up the scene and enters whole hog into an LTR with Psycho-b!tch for the next 4 and a half years. And for that duration AFC is cast into the pit of misery.

Psycho-b!tch systematically ruins his relationships with his friends and family to say nothing of any ambition he may have had beforehand. Not that he did as an AFC anyway, only now he's 26. But that doesn't matter, he's getting the BEST sex of his life, even if it means putting off seeing his mother, father or brother on special occasions, none of them understand him anyway, not like Psycho-b!tch does, at least when she is talking to him, not drinking or not hurting herself.

Then one night after a huge screaming fight, (because AFC was foolish enough to looki at a swimsuit model for more than 10 seconds in Pscho-b!tch's presence) AFC has a moment of clarity and decides to reattach his balls long enough to break up with Psycho-b!tch. At his Psycho-b!tch does a 180, she can't live without him, she'll kill herself. AFC is undetered and moves out of the state, but still doesn't want Psycho-b!tch to kill herself, so he enter the LDR phase of his self-destructive relationship. Finally Psycho-b!tch recieves her college degree (she's been in college like any good 'modern' woman is) and admits to a year long affair she'd been having in AFC's absence. AFC is now the suicidal one, how could she? After putting me through the wringer for so long? It becomes her fault, but not her fault at the same time. And AFC still doesn't get it, he put off having sex in another state to stay 'faithfull' to her for a year! WTF? He only did what every girl had ever told him to do and she was the BEST, right?

This illustration is exactly what POOK drives at. You can get all the tail in the world and still be an AFC until you make a fundamental change in your understanding. Until you shift your thinking from sex as a goal to yourself as the goal, you will stay an AFC. I know 64 year old AFCs, I know married AFCs, I know 3 times divorced AFCs, and they will remain so until they make this connection. When you make yourself the goal, sex (and good sex at that) is a byproduct of this. Women become a compliment to your life, not the focus of it.

People got all worked up at me for calling Mystery an AFC in another thread, but this is exactly what he is. I know because I was him at one time in my life and I subscribed to the same dellusions about ONEitis and feminized self-expectations that he does. I got laid a lot, but not because I had shifted my thinking about myself, but because I found out how to do it. Only, I wasn't prepared for the responsibility to myself that came with that success, and that is the essence of POOK. There are a lot of illegitimate children fathered by AFCs and mothered by 'empowered' women as a direct result of this dynamic. That's why you need to kill the AFC inside you.
There is nothing else to say about this.

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Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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