pook's 15 lessons are MISLEADING... also why SELF IMPROVEMENT SHOULD NOT BE THE FOCUS
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Rollo Tomassi
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To Quote POOK (again):
Being a Don Juan is not a net sum of smooth manuevers and methods but of your own outlook on the world and on women. ANYONE can memorize 'techniques', but FEW can change the way HOW they think. Women will be able to sniff out the former. But with the latter, women will be clawing each other for you.
A Don Juan is a state of mind, not a list of methods and tricks.
I regularly got laid as an AFC in my 20's. I was a pathetic teenage kid up to that point that bought all the crap about 'what women want' (told to me by girls of course) until I finally found a girl willing to fvck me on a regular basis at age 17. This then lead to a whole slew of new problems because now I was a placating AFC willing to compromise my own personality, ambitions and future for the sake of getting off with a girl who later cheated on me after I had moved 400 miles from home at 19 in order to 'keep it together'. As an AFC I thought this was the 'right thing to do', every girl I'd spoken to told me so. After I moved back, rather than get into college like I should have by this point, I started playing in bands in Hollywood. Why? It certainly wasn't the money, you guessed it, it was the pvssy. And easy pvssy at that! I figured out what worked for me, I had straight, long blond hair, I played bass. I'm actually a better guitarist, but bands needed bass players then and if you were in a band you could get laid. And laid I got, every week it was someone new, man you cannot imagine the variety of trim I got. But I was still an AFC. I was an AFC who'd figured out a specific formula to get girls to buy him drinks (I had no money!), take him home to their place (I lived with my Dad at the time), screw the hell out of him and move on to the next gig and the next broad. I had a harem of booty calls. This is the ideal situation for the AFC, he gets what he thinks he wants and is justified in his understanding by his successes. That is until he meets the psycho-b!tch.
Psycho-b!tch bangs the AFC like he's never had it before. She is the craziest lay he's ever had up to this point, unfortunately she's equally insane out of bed as well. But AFC is blind to this, she is the BEST girl he's ever hit it with. The BEST lay, the BEST looking, the BEST dressing, the BEST ever so much so that he never notices her personality disorders. How could he, he's never been educated to know the signs, he's never taken the time to improve himself to know how to be discerning and see the signs and be selective. All he knows is he's regularly getting the BEST sex of his life, even if it requires him to put up with her violent insecurities in public at times. In fact she becomes so insecure that she demands AFC stop playing in bands. This is never vocalized by her, it is implied in her behaviors and innuendos and psychotic 'episodes'. AFC thinks, "what the hell, I'm getting the BEST sex I can possibly get. Why not quit playing out all the time? Afterall it's the 'right thing to do'". So AFC gives up the scene and enters whole hog into an LTR with Psycho-b!tch for the next 4 and a half years. And for that duration AFC is cast into the pit of misery.
Psycho-b!tch systematically ruins his relationships with his friends and family to say nothing of any ambition he may have had beforehand. Not that he did as an AFC anyway, only now he's 26. But that doesn't matter, he's getting the BEST sex of his life, even if it means putting off seeing his mother, father or brother on special occasions, none of them understand him anyway, not like Psycho-b!tch does, at least when she is talking to him, not drinking or not hurting herself.
Then one night after a huge screaming fight, (because AFC was foolish enough to looki at a swimsuit model for more than 10 seconds in Pscho-b!tch's presence) AFC has a moment of clarity and decides to reattach his balls long enough to break up with Psycho-b!tch. At his Psycho-b!tch does a 180, she can't live without him, she'll kill herself. AFC is undetered and moves out of the state, but still doesn't want Psycho-b!tch to kill herself, so he enter the LDR phase of his self-destructive relationship. Finally Psycho-b!tch recieves her college degree (she's been in college like any good 'modern' woman is) and admits to a year long affair she'd been having in AFC's absence. AFC is now the suicidal one, how could she? After putting me through the wringer for so long? It becomes her fault, but not her fault at the same time. And AFC still doesn't get it, he put off having sex in another state to stay 'faithfull' to her for a year! WTF? He only did what every girl had ever told him to do and she was the BEST, right?
This illustration is exactly what POOK drives at. You can get all the tail in the world and still be an AFC until you make a fundamental change in your understanding. Until you shift your thinking from sex as a goal to yourself as the goal, you will stay an AFC. I know 64 year old AFCs, I know married AFCs, I know 3 times divorced AFCs, and they will remain so until they make this connection. When you make yourself the goal, sex (and good sex at that) is a byproduct of this. Women become a compliment to your life, not the focus of it.
People got all worked up at me for calling Mystery an AFC in another thread, but this is exactly what he is. I know because I was him at one time in my life and I subscribed to the same dellusions about ONEitis and feminized self-expectations that he does. I got laid a lot, but not because I had shifted my thinking about myself, but because I found out how to do it. Only, I wasn't prepared for the responsibility to myself that came with that success, and that is the essence of POOK. There are a lot of illegitimate children fathered by AFCs and mothered by 'empowered' women as a direct result of this dynamic. That's why you need to kill the AFC inside you.
Being a Don Juan is not a net sum of smooth manuevers and methods but of your own outlook on the world and on women. ANYONE can memorize 'techniques', but FEW can change the way HOW they think. Women will be able to sniff out the former. But with the latter, women will be clawing each other for you.
A Don Juan is a state of mind, not a list of methods and tricks.
I regularly got laid as an AFC in my 20's. I was a pathetic teenage kid up to that point that bought all the crap about 'what women want' (told to me by girls of course) until I finally found a girl willing to fvck me on a regular basis at age 17. This then lead to a whole slew of new problems because now I was a placating AFC willing to compromise my own personality, ambitions and future for the sake of getting off with a girl who later cheated on me after I had moved 400 miles from home at 19 in order to 'keep it together'. As an AFC I thought this was the 'right thing to do', every girl I'd spoken to told me so. After I moved back, rather than get into college like I should have by this point, I started playing in bands in Hollywood. Why? It certainly wasn't the money, you guessed it, it was the pvssy. And easy pvssy at that! I figured out what worked for me, I had straight, long blond hair, I played bass. I'm actually a better guitarist, but bands needed bass players then and if you were in a band you could get laid. And laid I got, every week it was someone new, man you cannot imagine the variety of trim I got. But I was still an AFC. I was an AFC who'd figured out a specific formula to get girls to buy him drinks (I had no money!), take him home to their place (I lived with my Dad at the time), screw the hell out of him and move on to the next gig and the next broad. I had a harem of booty calls. This is the ideal situation for the AFC, he gets what he thinks he wants and is justified in his understanding by his successes. That is until he meets the psycho-b!tch.
Psycho-b!tch bangs the AFC like he's never had it before. She is the craziest lay he's ever had up to this point, unfortunately she's equally insane out of bed as well. But AFC is blind to this, she is the BEST girl he's ever hit it with. The BEST lay, the BEST looking, the BEST dressing, the BEST ever so much so that he never notices her personality disorders. How could he, he's never been educated to know the signs, he's never taken the time to improve himself to know how to be discerning and see the signs and be selective. All he knows is he's regularly getting the BEST sex of his life, even if it requires him to put up with her violent insecurities in public at times. In fact she becomes so insecure that she demands AFC stop playing in bands. This is never vocalized by her, it is implied in her behaviors and innuendos and psychotic 'episodes'. AFC thinks, "what the hell, I'm getting the BEST sex I can possibly get. Why not quit playing out all the time? Afterall it's the 'right thing to do'". So AFC gives up the scene and enters whole hog into an LTR with Psycho-b!tch for the next 4 and a half years. And for that duration AFC is cast into the pit of misery.
Psycho-b!tch systematically ruins his relationships with his friends and family to say nothing of any ambition he may have had beforehand. Not that he did as an AFC anyway, only now he's 26. But that doesn't matter, he's getting the BEST sex of his life, even if it means putting off seeing his mother, father or brother on special occasions, none of them understand him anyway, not like Psycho-b!tch does, at least when she is talking to him, not drinking or not hurting herself.
Then one night after a huge screaming fight, (because AFC was foolish enough to looki at a swimsuit model for more than 10 seconds in Pscho-b!tch's presence) AFC has a moment of clarity and decides to reattach his balls long enough to break up with Psycho-b!tch. At his Psycho-b!tch does a 180, she can't live without him, she'll kill herself. AFC is undetered and moves out of the state, but still doesn't want Psycho-b!tch to kill herself, so he enter the LDR phase of his self-destructive relationship. Finally Psycho-b!tch recieves her college degree (she's been in college like any good 'modern' woman is) and admits to a year long affair she'd been having in AFC's absence. AFC is now the suicidal one, how could she? After putting me through the wringer for so long? It becomes her fault, but not her fault at the same time. And AFC still doesn't get it, he put off having sex in another state to stay 'faithfull' to her for a year! WTF? He only did what every girl had ever told him to do and she was the BEST, right?
This illustration is exactly what POOK drives at. You can get all the tail in the world and still be an AFC until you make a fundamental change in your understanding. Until you shift your thinking from sex as a goal to yourself as the goal, you will stay an AFC. I know 64 year old AFCs, I know married AFCs, I know 3 times divorced AFCs, and they will remain so until they make this connection. When you make yourself the goal, sex (and good sex at that) is a byproduct of this. Women become a compliment to your life, not the focus of it.
People got all worked up at me for calling Mystery an AFC in another thread, but this is exactly what he is. I know because I was him at one time in my life and I subscribed to the same dellusions about ONEitis and feminized self-expectations that he does. I got laid a lot, but not because I had shifted my thinking about myself, but because I found out how to do it. Only, I wasn't prepared for the responsibility to myself that came with that success, and that is the essence of POOK. There are a lot of illegitimate children fathered by AFCs and mothered by 'empowered' women as a direct result of this dynamic. That's why you need to kill the AFC inside you.
Blue Phoenix
Master Don Juan
Excellent! I agree with you 100%.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
I'm flattered that you do, but there's really no reason to quote the entirety of my longass post,..
Heh,..
So Many Ways
Master Don Juan
I feel where the poster is coming from.
I think there is a distinct difference between self improvement and getting chicks.
You can focus your whole life on achievement and still never get laid or get the women you want. You can get the education, the career, the business and all of that but it's not a guarantee. You can be supremely confident in most areas of your life, whether it's academic, career, sports, hobbies or business but it doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have the relationships you want with women.
I think that achieving and fulfilling goals in your life is part of what makes you a man. Personally, I'm not the one to just settle for just whatever and I'm always looking for ways to come up, ways to improve in the professional, educational, financial arena, whatever. For me it's important and I'm not happy or satisfied being in the same place when it comes to my life. I've felt this way since high school, years before internet seduction sites started springing up.
Doing all of this however does not guarantee success with women. You can be confident in your ability to do your job, get good grades, accomplish this and that but that does not necessarily equal confidence and skill in getting women.
I think that is the frustration that the OP is feeling in his post. It seems like if you worship at the altar of self-improvement, women will somehow see this and just flock to you. In reality, that's not the case. In reality, guys who have a fraction of what you have may be getting the women you want. That's because they have the skills necessary to get the women.
Getting women takes a separate set of skills that one must take time to acquire and perfect. I agree with the analogy that going the self-improvement route to get chicks is missing the forest for the trees so to speak. It helps but you still need the skills.
My suggestion to the OP is to acquire the skills necessary to meet the women you want.
I think there is a distinct difference between self improvement and getting chicks.
You can focus your whole life on achievement and still never get laid or get the women you want. You can get the education, the career, the business and all of that but it's not a guarantee. You can be supremely confident in most areas of your life, whether it's academic, career, sports, hobbies or business but it doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have the relationships you want with women.
I think that achieving and fulfilling goals in your life is part of what makes you a man. Personally, I'm not the one to just settle for just whatever and I'm always looking for ways to come up, ways to improve in the professional, educational, financial arena, whatever. For me it's important and I'm not happy or satisfied being in the same place when it comes to my life. I've felt this way since high school, years before internet seduction sites started springing up.
Doing all of this however does not guarantee success with women. You can be confident in your ability to do your job, get good grades, accomplish this and that but that does not necessarily equal confidence and skill in getting women.
I think that is the frustration that the OP is feeling in his post. It seems like if you worship at the altar of self-improvement, women will somehow see this and just flock to you. In reality, that's not the case. In reality, guys who have a fraction of what you have may be getting the women you want. That's because they have the skills necessary to get the women.
Getting women takes a separate set of skills that one must take time to acquire and perfect. I agree with the analogy that going the self-improvement route to get chicks is missing the forest for the trees so to speak. It helps but you still need the skills.
My suggestion to the OP is to acquire the skills necessary to meet the women you want.
Peace and Quiet
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Royal Elite
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Ok I think You want straight talk well here it is bro. If you had rosanna bar or beyonce chasing you who would you pick? If you had that old, dirty, bum lady on any corner in america or Paris Hilton chasing you who would you choose? Are you getting the point yet, no here it is. You are not in this world alone so every time you chase a girl you must realize someone else may be chasing her too. Now if she had to deal with a guy with confidence because he has his life together or a man who has no ambition or passion to better himself and no self esteem at all who do you think she will choose? Not that man, he's a loser, and no one likes losers!!!!! Your problem is you think it takes years to change, all it takes to change is one decision to change. Who made you not work out this morning? Who made you eat ceral over pancakes for breakfast? You always have at least two choices and you can decide to chose what ever you want. There is no rule that says you have to take months to learn to think before you talk. All you have to do is decide and do it. You just have to keep remembering you always have more then one option. No matter how bad your habit of saying "cool" is, if i put a gun to your head and say talk and if you say "Cool" you're dead, i bet you want say it. Decide to be better and be better. Its a choice. If you lived in this world alone, you wishes would work but you dont. "A $1,000 is rent money until you hold it next to $500,000 then its clothes money."
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Dude, you need help. I really get a sense of desperation and neediness in your post. You should never put getting p*ssy above yourself. Get it?
Maximus_Decimus
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Yes, there is some truth in this. Glad to see you "get it" So Many Ways! Unfortunately, there are those that just don't get it
If you improve yourself but never make a move on a women for the rest of your life, of course you won't score. Pook never said you should sit on your a** with women while you improve yourself.
However, he is trying to establish a foundation for all the AFCs out there so that when they do make a move, they increase their chances of scoring. And if you don't get a woman in the end, at least you've made the most that you could out of your life!
You can attempt to climb Mt. Everest with no equipment at all or come prepared with all the equipment required. Just because you come prepared with all the equipment required doesn't mean that you will successfully reach the summit! But what are your chances of making the summit with no equipment at all?
BTW, we are really lucky that there are people like Pook that spoon feed this information to us. Unfortunately, some people have problems reading in between the lines. They can't filter out whats useful and what's not. <sigh>
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TheInfamousCBear
Master Don Juan
The Op is funny...This guy wants women now, guess what? In order to get even a one night stand, you gotta improve something, and even that takes time and work...Its funny how people dont just do what theyre supposed to to get girls...Like I asked my cousin years ago, he told me to work out, read books to get knowledge, etc...I did it and girls came...But I know people in real life and people on here who are hard headed and dont listen...They look at other people and they try to figure them out instead of doing things they way youre supposed too...Fukk what they did, you dont know their situation, and if someone told you a good initial startup plan that works, why wouldnt you want to do it? At least you are aiming in a direction instead of shooting all over the place....Theres never any shortcuts to anything and listen to what people tell you...Maybe if people did that there wouldnt be so many people crying like little girls all the time on here...
Bonhomme
Master Don Juan
The more I learn ...
... the more I have come to agree with Pook, Disciple, and the others who put self-improvement above all.
Granted, not everyone has the same potential to reach the same level in the same amount of time with the same amount of effort. To expect that would be like expecting a 400 lb person to be running marathons after a few months of training.
For most people there are some things they can do to bring the greatest results first, even if they have to "fake it to make it." Some guys need to upgrade their style and the way they carry themselves. Other guys need to learn to read women's interest levels better ... etc. Everybody has his or her relative strengths and weaknesses.
I see what you're driving at, Delta. If I read you correctly, you're looking to improve those things that can bring the best results the quickest. But even those, I find, have more to do with personal traits than tricks and gambits. But I more than ever agree with Pook and everyone else who above all else wants to become the best man he can be. That is what will count in the long run, whatever that may be.
... the more I have come to agree with Pook, Disciple, and the others who put self-improvement above all.
Granted, not everyone has the same potential to reach the same level in the same amount of time with the same amount of effort. To expect that would be like expecting a 400 lb person to be running marathons after a few months of training.
For most people there are some things they can do to bring the greatest results first, even if they have to "fake it to make it." Some guys need to upgrade their style and the way they carry themselves. Other guys need to learn to read women's interest levels better ... etc. Everybody has his or her relative strengths and weaknesses.
I see what you're driving at, Delta. If I read you correctly, you're looking to improve those things that can bring the best results the quickest. But even those, I find, have more to do with personal traits than tricks and gambits. But I more than ever agree with Pook and everyone else who above all else wants to become the best man he can be. That is what will count in the long run, whatever that may be.
Re:
It doesn't take anything "to get girls." It really doesn't.
There's fat moo cow girls who are so desperate for a lay, she'd PAY You to go down on her.
There's user women who want a guy who'd supply their druggy habit and Louie- V habit.
There's beaten women, who need a guy to keep them in check and MAKE THEM feel worthless.
There's women with 10 kids seeking a fatherly role.
There's young girls searching for quick lays all over the internet, in chat rooms, or found through friends.
There's groupies, uber campus sluts, paris hilton look alikes, jock-boners, drug-users, materialistic bytches, those who want plastic surgery, or a certain job you can give her. Some just want a home, and some, called prostitutes, will lay you for a pay.
So to say you can't get laid is a far cry from reality. Isn't it?
In truth, you want reasonably good-looking girls, and if you want them with any semblance of worth, YOU MUST BE A PERSON OF WORTH. Of all girls I've dated OR been friends with, most would discard a guy if he had no job or a sh!tty one. Most sought guys who were reasonably handsome/cute/good-looking and had SOMETHING they liked. These were also the girls that would bone a guy multiple times after the lay, call HIM to make plans, and be genuinely interested in him.
Now, there's a whole other group of women with bodies, but empty of soul, mind, and spirit. Those seeking quick lays. You find them at bars, in Cancun, at colleges, anywhere you find some level of immorality or base behavior. Certainly it's an option, one I've taken before. However, it takes no skills here. In college, just by virtue of drinking, you get laid. If you look like the girls' younger brother, you don't have a snowballs chance in hell of laying her. So respect yourself enough to be presentable and attractive. You want attractive women, don't you think she'd want an attractive guy? She does want to show you off. And if you're a loser, she's likely to discard you just by virtue of what she reads, her family or friends say.
So YES, to answer the universal question people are confusing is, that you can GET laid, you're obviously not searching the right (wrong) places.
HOWEVER, to have meaningful lays, you must change YOU to change the WORLD you live in. It's as if you're asking ALL of us to change for you, when in reality, if you want us to change toward you, you must first change. Same with girls. You want to change your interactions with them, you must change. Do whatever improvement work you like. Or don't.
I realize, once you hear all this philosophical speak, it set precedents for those less motivated. And when an ideal in your mind is set, while you're not accomplishing, it can feel like you're miles away from where you want to be. Most want the quick fix, the answer. Gimme today. If I knew it, I'd say it. But because we're part of a larger, constantly changing system with volatile players, there's no EASY WAY TO LAY. You want a sure thing?
Approach any 100 girls asking them to fvck, and you're GUARANTEED what you ask from at least 1. I would admit that, in the process, the girl who says yes is the one you don't want, though. It's the girls you gain trust with that work out the best.
And in my personal opinion, sex is always better with a person that trusts you, cares for you, and opens up. I've felt fake kisses and fake bj's, and then felt meaningful ones.
And to emphasis why I seek a long-term route I had a girl say...
"Now that I'm comfortable blowing you, I'll want to do it all the time. In the car, on the sofa, when I'm drunk, in the shower. And I get off doing it."
It took a few months to get to that point, and I really didn't care anyway. What it demonstrated was her own comfort with me, which was more important.
How you do what you do is fine. There's a host of guys here happier, better off, more confident, and landing more and better women than they ever have. Curtailing that sort of male progress is damaging to our sex, which is most often fed tons of bull**** regarding our own sexuality. For the most, being male and having a penis condemns you upon birth in the eyes of society with some social stigmas, as well as the persecution of women, though we're not directly involved in it.
A-Unit
It doesn't take anything "to get girls." It really doesn't.
There's fat moo cow girls who are so desperate for a lay, she'd PAY You to go down on her.
There's user women who want a guy who'd supply their druggy habit and Louie- V habit.
There's beaten women, who need a guy to keep them in check and MAKE THEM feel worthless.
There's women with 10 kids seeking a fatherly role.
There's young girls searching for quick lays all over the internet, in chat rooms, or found through friends.
There's groupies, uber campus sluts, paris hilton look alikes, jock-boners, drug-users, materialistic bytches, those who want plastic surgery, or a certain job you can give her. Some just want a home, and some, called prostitutes, will lay you for a pay.
So to say you can't get laid is a far cry from reality. Isn't it?
In truth, you want reasonably good-looking girls, and if you want them with any semblance of worth, YOU MUST BE A PERSON OF WORTH. Of all girls I've dated OR been friends with, most would discard a guy if he had no job or a sh!tty one. Most sought guys who were reasonably handsome/cute/good-looking and had SOMETHING they liked. These were also the girls that would bone a guy multiple times after the lay, call HIM to make plans, and be genuinely interested in him.
Now, there's a whole other group of women with bodies, but empty of soul, mind, and spirit. Those seeking quick lays. You find them at bars, in Cancun, at colleges, anywhere you find some level of immorality or base behavior. Certainly it's an option, one I've taken before. However, it takes no skills here. In college, just by virtue of drinking, you get laid. If you look like the girls' younger brother, you don't have a snowballs chance in hell of laying her. So respect yourself enough to be presentable and attractive. You want attractive women, don't you think she'd want an attractive guy? She does want to show you off. And if you're a loser, she's likely to discard you just by virtue of what she reads, her family or friends say.
So YES, to answer the universal question people are confusing is, that you can GET laid, you're obviously not searching the right (wrong) places.
HOWEVER, to have meaningful lays, you must change YOU to change the WORLD you live in. It's as if you're asking ALL of us to change for you, when in reality, if you want us to change toward you, you must first change. Same with girls. You want to change your interactions with them, you must change. Do whatever improvement work you like. Or don't.
I realize, once you hear all this philosophical speak, it set precedents for those less motivated. And when an ideal in your mind is set, while you're not accomplishing, it can feel like you're miles away from where you want to be. Most want the quick fix, the answer. Gimme today. If I knew it, I'd say it. But because we're part of a larger, constantly changing system with volatile players, there's no EASY WAY TO LAY. You want a sure thing?
Approach any 100 girls asking them to fvck, and you're GUARANTEED what you ask from at least 1. I would admit that, in the process, the girl who says yes is the one you don't want, though. It's the girls you gain trust with that work out the best.
And in my personal opinion, sex is always better with a person that trusts you, cares for you, and opens up. I've felt fake kisses and fake bj's, and then felt meaningful ones.
And to emphasis why I seek a long-term route I had a girl say...
"Now that I'm comfortable blowing you, I'll want to do it all the time. In the car, on the sofa, when I'm drunk, in the shower. And I get off doing it."
It took a few months to get to that point, and I really didn't care anyway. What it demonstrated was her own comfort with me, which was more important.
How you do what you do is fine. There's a host of guys here happier, better off, more confident, and landing more and better women than they ever have. Curtailing that sort of male progress is damaging to our sex, which is most often fed tons of bull**** regarding our own sexuality. For the most, being male and having a penis condemns you upon birth in the eyes of society with some social stigmas, as well as the persecution of women, though we're not directly involved in it.
A-Unit
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I know a lot of people may take you the wrong way on what you are saying here, but I think your statement is probably one of the most honest things I've seen said on this site in a while.
Is it desperate? Maybe. Is it honest? Absolutely.
You may get flamed for saying this, but I think being honest with yourself is more important than how others see you.
TillTheEndOfTime
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I'm am by no means one of those "Pook-lovers" around here. I believe what he says is almost entirely obvious stuff that has been said by many others on this site, in articles and other websites. He just says it in a melodramatic and excessively long way that resembles what some writters call written diarrhea.....for some reason people on here take a strong liking this form of writing, which I'll never understand. Apparently people here appreciate written-diarrhea more than concise, straight-to-the-point writting.
Anyways, what you're saying can basically be summarized as: "I don't want to be a successful man that others can admire, I just want to have sex." I cannot understand how you could put down Pook on this basis. This is nothing but stupid. "Pook, you're wrong!! I can be a total bum and still have sex".
You WANT to be a loser who just has sex? Good you're being honest at least. I'll be honest at well. This makes you a very shallow, unambitious boy who is going NO WHERE in his life. If this makes you really happy (which I cannot even begin to comprehend), knock yourself out. However, for the good of society don't have children. We have enough of you at the unemployment office.
Sorry if that sounds excessively harsh, but that's just my honest opinion. I'm hoping it's a wake up call more than anything else.
Anyways, what you're saying can basically be summarized as: "I don't want to be a successful man that others can admire, I just want to have sex." I cannot understand how you could put down Pook on this basis. This is nothing but stupid. "Pook, you're wrong!! I can be a total bum and still have sex".
You WANT to be a loser who just has sex? Good you're being honest at least. I'll be honest at well. This makes you a very shallow, unambitious boy who is going NO WHERE in his life. If this makes you really happy (which I cannot even begin to comprehend), knock yourself out. However, for the good of society don't have children. We have enough of you at the unemployment office.
Sorry if that sounds excessively harsh, but that's just my honest opinion. I'm hoping it's a wake up call more than anything else.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Bravo...
If you want to talk, talk to your friends. If you want a girl to like you, listen to her, ask questions, and act like you are on the edge of your seat.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
And that's the conflict now isn't it? We do have more than enough washouts in the unemployment line who had no difficulty getting laid. What they do have difficulty with is owning the responsibility that comes with being able to play the game well enough to get laid on command. And thus we have another generation of washouts being raised to do exactly the same thing. That's why what Pook writes is important. As I said previously, an AFC can get laid if he apes the methods of the DJ well enough, but he's still an AFC, he's still less than a man. Guys have trouble with Pook because their desire is to get from point A to point B by the shortest possible route, only Pook asks the question "now what?" once they get to point B.
What frustrates most Pook readers is his method for conveying what his philosophy is, but like a good philosopher he builds his arguments by example to get to the weightier stuff. And like a good philosopher explains how he came to his conclusions rather than expecting readers to swallow his ideas wholesale. Does that make him longwinded? Yes, but he shows you his thought process by his anecdotes. If you're bothered by this then just skim through his posts and read each sentence that happens to have a bolding in it and see if you still folllow.
Delta
Master Don Juan
howdy fellows,
gee, it's amazing to see how many assumptions you guys do indeed make. not only about the nature of me or afcs but of life as well....
but for the few who buck the vocal majority, thanks for the kind words and understanding. it is not necessary - i'm pretty resilient and scrappy and can take all comers single handedly if necessary - but appreciated nonetheless.
let's get into this again then shall we?
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also, what's with all the 'bravo' and 'yeah i agree' posts around here? does that count as an opinion? or is it an attempt to start a pile-on and drown out dissenting voices or what?
since we're talking oh so very much about the masculine man thing, i don't think, "YEAH, ME TOO!" is awfully dj... dontcha think?
in the words of wolf, let's not start sucking each others ****s just yet.
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now then:
ROLLO TOMASSI and the POOK QUOTE:
i'm afraid i'm probably a bit of a mysogynist to let some 'psycho *****' run me around like that.
RAGE is perhaps a lesser emotion but i could easily just take what i need and then kick her to the curb when she gets unwieldy.
this would not be my problem.
an AFC at 16 is quite a bit different than an AFC at 31.
and the crux of the quote's argument is therefore lost on me... i just need to find these smoking hot psycho *****es who evidently can provide GREAT SEX (despite the fact they may not love you etc etc as others have argued before).
i'm not trying to win any morality medals here.
i will gladly take what i need and then go.
what YOU don't get however is that i am HARDLY putting pvssy above myself. the pvssy is FOR ME.
it may sound like semantics but imagine in your mind the distinction here. it is huge.
i want the pvssy for me. for nothing and no one else. it's for me.
good analogy. let's run with it.
what you say is true but let's nitpick it a bit. there ARE people who summit with minimal supplies.
so what's supplements are tenzing on?
yes, getting equipment and not attempting the summit is a mistake.
BUT, my argument is that pook is overkill. it seems to me that he is saying that you will NEVER SUMMIT WITHOUT THE FVCKING SPACE SHUTTLE.
if my goal is not "MALE ACTUALIZATION", if my goal here is quality pvssy in whatever psycho brain it comes accompanied with, what's the best way to pull that off?
it's probably a lot less than pook's 15 steps to motherfvcking nirvana.
<sigh>
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A-UNIT
that's the spirit!
that's what i mean by brainstorming some anti-pook energy. how can we best harvest the dregs of HUMAN MISERY to our best advantage!
self improvement is too fvcking hard damnit... let's go the other route. let's feed off the despair and emptiness of others!
surprisingly, this doesn't seem to be a well explored avenue of exploration here. what gives?
(i'm only partially joking here. while i agree that self improvement is EVERYONE'S ultimate goal, you can't just make that the omnipresent answer to every fvcking question goddamnit.)
see how this macho dj crap (not all of it, but some of it is indeed grade A crap) pollutes the mind.
"the meek shall inherit the earth."
PUT IT ANOTHER WAY:
the nerds shall have their revenge... of the nerds.
i don't know who you're talking about at the unemployment lines but i happen to be a class A, card carrying, third degree black belted GEEK.
y'know, the slide rule carrying kind?
we may be spectacularly unsuccessful with women but this does NOT (contrary to popular wisdom round these parts) translate into lack of success in our professional lives.
on the contrary, if you take the high school social strata as an example, the dj 'jocks' may turn out to be far less successful and actualized than the geeks who end up working at nasa or jpl or microsoft - where lives the king of nerds... bill gates.
and speak with any of us successful geeks and very often, we care not a wit about self improvement or self actualization... that stuff may not be our current goal but it seems doable if we ever set out minds to it.
but pvssy.... that's a different matter altogether.
so yes. absolutely. fvck self improvement. we'd like some pvssy please.
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some analysis:
1. THE ABILITY TO GET LAID does not reliably equate to SUCCESS AS A MAN OR IN THE WORLD.
where the fvck did this idea come from? this seems to me to be an outright fallacy.
2. THE ABILITY TO SUCCEED IN THE WORLD and be great in your endeavors does not also translate into the ability to get grade A pvssy. flow my tears, the nerds said.
3. inasmuch as this is TRUE, SELF IMPROVEMENT IS INDEED A DISINGENUOUS ANSWER TO - as the philosophers call it - THE PROBLEM OF PVSSY.
4. all this self improvement crap really has little to do with guys who want quality pvssy.
FOR,
if they pursue self improvement purely for the sake of the pvssy, then how much of it can really be said to result in a actualized man?
what i mean is:
if the question is: how do i get pvssy?
and the answer given is: make yourself a better man.
what you guys are subliminally saying is "stop wanting pvssy and improve yourself first."
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah.
that's gonna work.
good thinking folks.
that's fvcking brilliant.
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two different PURSUITS.
it seems to me the more SEPARATE THEY ARE FROM EACH OTHER, the better.
for me, i think i'll have to get my pvssy deficit taken care of and then i can take on the larger, life long task with a 'full belly' as it were.
delta
gee, it's amazing to see how many assumptions you guys do indeed make. not only about the nature of me or afcs but of life as well....
but for the few who buck the vocal majority, thanks for the kind words and understanding. it is not necessary - i'm pretty resilient and scrappy and can take all comers single handedly if necessary - but appreciated nonetheless.
let's get into this again then shall we?
please do. it is as wearisome as it is malformed.... i'll address the gist of your argument when i respond to a more articulate reply later however....
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also, what's with all the 'bravo' and 'yeah i agree' posts around here? does that count as an opinion? or is it an attempt to start a pile-on and drown out dissenting voices or what?
since we're talking oh so very much about the masculine man thing, i don't think, "YEAH, ME TOO!" is awfully dj... dontcha think?
in the words of wolf, let's not start sucking each others ****s just yet.
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now then:
alas, patently untrue. hence, my contention.
ROLLO TOMASSI and the POOK QUOTE:
i'm afraid i'm probably a bit of a mysogynist to let some 'psycho *****' run me around like that.
RAGE is perhaps a lesser emotion but i could easily just take what i need and then kick her to the curb when she gets unwieldy.
this would not be my problem.
an AFC at 16 is quite a bit different than an AFC at 31.
and the crux of the quote's argument is therefore lost on me... i just need to find these smoking hot psycho *****es who evidently can provide GREAT SEX (despite the fact they may not love you etc etc as others have argued before).
i'm not trying to win any morality medals here.
i will gladly take what i need and then go.
the fact that i need help and am desperate is hardly news to me... seriously, tell me something i don't know.
what YOU don't get however is that i am HARDLY putting pvssy above myself. the pvssy is FOR ME.
it may sound like semantics but imagine in your mind the distinction here. it is huge.
i want the pvssy for me. for nothing and no one else. it's for me.
and here is the well articulated point.
good analogy. let's run with it.
what you say is true but let's nitpick it a bit. there ARE people who summit with minimal supplies.
so what's supplements are tenzing on?
yes, getting equipment and not attempting the summit is a mistake.
BUT, my argument is that pook is overkill. it seems to me that he is saying that you will NEVER SUMMIT WITHOUT THE FVCKING SPACE SHUTTLE.
if my goal is not "MALE ACTUALIZATION", if my goal here is quality pvssy in whatever psycho brain it comes accompanied with, what's the best way to pull that off?
it's probably a lot less than pook's 15 steps to motherfvcking nirvana.
<sigh>
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A-UNIT
that's the spirit!
that's what i mean by brainstorming some anti-pook energy. how can we best harvest the dregs of HUMAN MISERY to our best advantage!
self improvement is too fvcking hard damnit... let's go the other route. let's feed off the despair and emptiness of others!
surprisingly, this doesn't seem to be a well explored avenue of exploration here. what gives?
(i'm only partially joking here. while i agree that self improvement is EVERYONE'S ultimate goal, you can't just make that the omnipresent answer to every fvcking question goddamnit.)
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.
see how this macho dj crap (not all of it, but some of it is indeed grade A crap) pollutes the mind.
"the meek shall inherit the earth."
PUT IT ANOTHER WAY:
the nerds shall have their revenge... of the nerds.
i don't know who you're talking about at the unemployment lines but i happen to be a class A, card carrying, third degree black belted GEEK.
y'know, the slide rule carrying kind?
we may be spectacularly unsuccessful with women but this does NOT (contrary to popular wisdom round these parts) translate into lack of success in our professional lives.
on the contrary, if you take the high school social strata as an example, the dj 'jocks' may turn out to be far less successful and actualized than the geeks who end up working at nasa or jpl or microsoft - where lives the king of nerds... bill gates.
and speak with any of us successful geeks and very often, we care not a wit about self improvement or self actualization... that stuff may not be our current goal but it seems doable if we ever set out minds to it.
but pvssy.... that's a different matter altogether.
so yes. absolutely. fvck self improvement. we'd like some pvssy please.
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some analysis:
1. THE ABILITY TO GET LAID does not reliably equate to SUCCESS AS A MAN OR IN THE WORLD.
where the fvck did this idea come from? this seems to me to be an outright fallacy.
2. THE ABILITY TO SUCCEED IN THE WORLD and be great in your endeavors does not also translate into the ability to get grade A pvssy. flow my tears, the nerds said.
3. inasmuch as this is TRUE, SELF IMPROVEMENT IS INDEED A DISINGENUOUS ANSWER TO - as the philosophers call it - THE PROBLEM OF PVSSY.
4. all this self improvement crap really has little to do with guys who want quality pvssy.
FOR,
if they pursue self improvement purely for the sake of the pvssy, then how much of it can really be said to result in a actualized man?
what i mean is:
if the question is: how do i get pvssy?
and the answer given is: make yourself a better man.
what you guys are subliminally saying is "stop wanting pvssy and improve yourself first."
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah.
that's gonna work.
good thinking folks.
that's fvcking brilliant.
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two different PURSUITS.
it seems to me the more SEPARATE THEY ARE FROM EACH OTHER, the better.
for me, i think i'll have to get my pvssy deficit taken care of and then i can take on the larger, life long task with a 'full belly' as it were.
delta
SELF-MASTERY
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The same skills that will allow you to "get girls every once and awhile" are the same skills that are needed to get girls all the time. It all comes down to effort. If your willing to make picking up women appart of your lifestyle then you'll mostly like have women all the time. If you just want the occassional arse and only put in a half are effort, then you can expect a very small anount of women in your life. I really cant complain with pooks writings. Sure, we want to just score, but changing ourselves for the better allows us to play on a much higher level with higher level chicks........
If I were you and had your goals I would just put myself out there more. Approach the hell out of geeky gals that you have things in common with. You might be suprised how easily you score with these girls. It would be interesting if you would keep a journal of your conquest with these types of women and the techniques that you used on them. good luck
Actually 20/20 on abc did a special on popularity and they found that the same social skills that allowed ppl to become popular in high school also were the same social skills that are needed to become successful in the workplace.
If I were you and had your goals I would just put myself out there more. Approach the hell out of geeky gals that you have things in common with. You might be suprised how easily you score with these girls. It would be interesting if you would keep a journal of your conquest with these types of women and the techniques that you used on them. good luck
Delta
Master Don Juan
howdy sm,
well, maybe I'M being ruther unfair and simplifying too much but if your nickname is MOOSE in high school, i don't care how many chicks you get or the quality of your social skills... it's the nfl or the scrap yard for that guy.
i don't doubt what you say about social skills and i'm sure for those in school with a great deal of it, it works to their advantage in the work place.
but i don't see the CONVERSE being true... that the geeks WITHOUT social skills to speak of end up doing badly.
in fact, i've read something somewhere that a disproportionate percentage of the population of silicon valley were MILD AUTISTICS....
so with geeks, it may turn out that overwhelming aptitude can make up for lack of social graces.
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and yes, despite my criticism of pook's 15 lessons and how self improvement is THE path to getting chicks (especially if the chicks are your emphasis), i think the self improvement is VALUABLE!
but i think that you need to do that for its own sake, especially the UBER self improvement that pooks speaks of.
it is NOT INVALID to say that getting girls is an end to itself. it CAN BE just that.
and it is NOT SANE that girls be a means to GROWTH and NOT ECONOMICAL OR WISE (timewise) that self improvement of his magnitude is simply a MEANS to girls!
getting girls is a valid end.
self improvement is a valid end.
should a person seek both independently without putting cause/effect between them, that's great.
but you can't do that when you're dying of thirst.
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yah, i think your advice is sound. and if i end up hooking up with edith the sex scientist, i'll let ya know...
delta
well, maybe I'M being ruther unfair and simplifying too much but if your nickname is MOOSE in high school, i don't care how many chicks you get or the quality of your social skills... it's the nfl or the scrap yard for that guy.
i don't doubt what you say about social skills and i'm sure for those in school with a great deal of it, it works to their advantage in the work place.
but i don't see the CONVERSE being true... that the geeks WITHOUT social skills to speak of end up doing badly.
in fact, i've read something somewhere that a disproportionate percentage of the population of silicon valley were MILD AUTISTICS....
so with geeks, it may turn out that overwhelming aptitude can make up for lack of social graces.
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and yes, despite my criticism of pook's 15 lessons and how self improvement is THE path to getting chicks (especially if the chicks are your emphasis), i think the self improvement is VALUABLE!
but i think that you need to do that for its own sake, especially the UBER self improvement that pooks speaks of.
it is NOT INVALID to say that getting girls is an end to itself. it CAN BE just that.
and it is NOT SANE that girls be a means to GROWTH and NOT ECONOMICAL OR WISE (timewise) that self improvement of his magnitude is simply a MEANS to girls!
getting girls is a valid end.
self improvement is a valid end.
should a person seek both independently without putting cause/effect between them, that's great.
but you can't do that when you're dying of thirst.
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yah, i think your advice is sound. and if i end up hooking up with edith the sex scientist, i'll let ya know...
delta
Delta
Master Don Juan
WORKING OUT IS GOOD ADVICE
a tangent here... but one of the most valuable pieces of advice that i've seen on the boards has little to do with all this intellectual crap.
it was simply the exhortation to lift weights and work out... no matter how little... just do it and get some testosterone going.
i myself am rather inclined to recline and think at the drop of a hat and while all things probably can be taken by sheer force of will alone, some things i am discovering now may be far easier won if you simply let some male NATURE get to work on your behalf.
no women yet but i think this is gonna work.
i'm on the skinny side myself and i have no intention or desire to become the hulk. but spider-man can still wear clothing and have it hang properly and such so i'll aim for that.
3 days a week for about an hour to 2 since the first.
i don't know why but i really think this is gonna work.
delta
p.s. and here, i am doing this PURELY for pvssy. NOT for me.
i am successful in what i do and good at it to boot! i've no problems with professional or personal relationships which don't involve the exchange of bodily fluids.
i never intend to overturn vans, tackle anyone or invade a sovereign nation.
i am NOT putting muscle on for me. i don't need it. and didn't want it.
i do it for the pvssy.
a tangent here... but one of the most valuable pieces of advice that i've seen on the boards has little to do with all this intellectual crap.
it was simply the exhortation to lift weights and work out... no matter how little... just do it and get some testosterone going.
i myself am rather inclined to recline and think at the drop of a hat and while all things probably can be taken by sheer force of will alone, some things i am discovering now may be far easier won if you simply let some male NATURE get to work on your behalf.
no women yet but i think this is gonna work.
i'm on the skinny side myself and i have no intention or desire to become the hulk. but spider-man can still wear clothing and have it hang properly and such so i'll aim for that.
3 days a week for about an hour to 2 since the first.
i don't know why but i really think this is gonna work.
delta
p.s. and here, i am doing this PURELY for pvssy. NOT for me.
i am successful in what i do and good at it to boot! i've no problems with professional or personal relationships which don't involve the exchange of bodily fluids.
i never intend to overturn vans, tackle anyone or invade a sovereign nation.
i am NOT putting muscle on for me. i don't need it. and didn't want it.
i do it for the pvssy.
