pook's 15 lessons are MISLEADING... also why SELF IMPROVEMENT SHOULD NOT BE THE FOCUS

[Delta]

howdy fellows,

been thinking a lot about pook's lessons and the ones that talk about how to be a man and live a powerful life and such and while they may indeed hold the keys to a great male life and truly great relations with women... but i just got very DESPERATELY DISCOURAGED.

is such refinement of character really a pre-requisite to getting women? to getting dates? getting laid every now and again?

must we really be pinnacles of male achievement in order to get a woman? and outside of the rareified context of sosuave, HOW MANY MEN IN THE WORLD can actually claim to have achieved such status... or even come close?

percentage of men in a night club for example? percentage of men in the work place or gym.

LOOK AROUND! who are you surrounded by day in and day out?

and yet, and yet, there are lots of guys (who may be less strong of character than AFCs) and they get to fvck every now and again if not more.

i think pook's philosophy is disingenous in this regard:

VERY BAD MEN (and not bad as in evil but bad as in incompetent failures) GET LAID ALL THE FING TIME!

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i say these words but i'm sure i speak for many afcs....

WE DON'T GIVE A FLYING FVCK WHETHER WE'RE TITANS AMONG MEN... WE WANT SOME FVCKING PVSSY.

that sounds very weak doesn't it? but that is the situation of men who have been wandering the desert.

altruism and nobility may be great but for the desert wanderer, he'll put a knife to all of it for a drop of water.

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and so SELF HELP in this forum misses the point by a LARGE MARGIN simply because it seeks to teach nobility to a thirsty man instead of giving him a drop to drink.

JUST GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN FVCK pretty regularly so that we can think straight enough to worry about every other goddamn thing.

TEACH US THE WAYS OF THE SUCCESSFUL *BAD MAN* so that we can emulate his success despite flaws.

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and also, we encounter a clash of philosophies too....

are you REALLY in that much control of your life? really?

there's never been very *GOOD MEN* who ended miserably because of circumstance?

never weak and despicable men who come to greatness out of what amounts to sheer fvcking luck?

does history really show that a strong man makes his own reality? any moreso than his ignorant brethren right next to him?

whether true or no, a POSITIVE ATTITUDE is better than a negative one for sure.

but i'm just not entirely convinced yet that it represents reality as we live it.

how many of you will really have made a difference in this world by the time you die?

is all failure simply a lack of gumption?

yep, i come from the camp of disempowering thought but is it not true.

delta

 

[WhitePimp]

I'd rather have dignity and hot women to have sex with, then just some chick who will tolerate me because she can't do better either. Good relationships do not last with a man not acting like a man. I believe a lot of those rules are extremely beneficial in learning to not only get women, but to keep them and keep them interested, while keeping our balls firmly in place. I know guys who are huge AFC's who get laid a lot and I know DJ's who get laid a lot. Guess which group of guys are happier and more confident?

 

[diablo]

is such refinement of character really a pre-requisite to getting women? to getting dates? getting laid every now and again?

Of course not. Virtually any male with a functioning penis can get a date or laid every now and again. "Now and again" are the operative words in that thought, however.

must we really be pinnacles of male achievement in order to get a woman? and outside of the rareified context of sosuave, HOW MANY MEN IN THE WORLD can actually claim to have achieved such status... or even come close?

To get a woman, no. However, do you think the snivelling, unconfident wreck of a needy male (and note that I didn't say "man") is going to attract a quality woman? As for how many men in the world achieving that 'status', I would ask that you go out into your local community and speak with civic leaders and esteemed members in clubs such as Rotary, Kiwanis, etc. Many of these men are exude confidence and friendliness, and have networked themself using these traits (among others) to the top of whatever organization it is that they are a part of. This is also true on a state, national, and international level; seeing it at work in your community might make you realize just how possible it is, even for you.

percentage of men in a night club for example? percentage of men in the work place or gym.

How well can you know the people in a night club? How do you know who has their stuff straight and who doesn't? You don't. I don't. Nobody does other then them... and that's the only person who's going to be affected by it. What does it matter about what someone else has? You aren't living their life, are you?

and yet, and yet, there are lots of guys (who may be less strong of character than AFCs) and they get to fvck every now and again if not more.

Yes, and it's easy to settle for less than you deserve... very easy, for that's inherent in the nature of settling. However, you're cheating yourself out of what you could have otherwise had... and you're accepting that failure within yourself.

i think pook's philosophy is disingenous in this regard:

VERY BAD MEN (and not bad as in evil but bad as in incompetent failures) GET LAID ALL THE FING TIME!

Sure, there may be a few exceptions. However, the overwhelming majority will not be getting laid "all the fing time"... and if they do, it won't be by anything (or anyone) that they would boast about the next morning...

i say these words but i'm sure i speak for many afcs....
WE DON'T GIVE A FLYING FVCK WHETHER WE'RE TITANS AMONG MEN... WE WANT SOME FVCKING PVSSY.

Of course you don't care... and that's why you're an AFC. If you actually wanted to better yourself, then you'd be on the road to recovery. Instead, you write statements such as that, which show just how desperate you must be... Why not just say "AS LONG AS IT HAS A COOCH, I'LL HIT IT?"

that sounds very weak doesn't it? but that is the situation of men who have been wandering the desert.

Sounds like you need to go hire a prostitute if you're that bad off. For someone who writes about how much booty AFC's and "VERY BAD MEN" are getting, it sure hasn't seemed to hold true for yourself...

altruism and nobility may be great but for the desert wanderer, he'll put a knife to all of it for a drop of water.

Once he leaves the desert, what will he do?

and so SELF HELP in this forum misses the point by a LARGE MARGIN simply because it seeks to teach nobility to a thirsty man instead of giving him a drop to drink.

Not everyone on this forum has come here simply because they can't ever get any booty, which is what your desert implies. Many wish to know how to get better quality booty, and improve their own game.

JUST GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN FVCK pretty regularly so that we can think straight enough to worry about every other goddamn thing.

How do you expect to do that? By asking us to condone the fact that you wish for some magic pill to be given you that will instantly make you more attractive, and a successful seducer of women? No such pill exists - it's up to you to improve yourself to the point where a woman of any quality/significance would actually desire you.

TEACH US THE WAYS OF THE SUCCESSFUL *BAD MAN* so that we can emulate his success despite flaws.

Earlier, you defined the "BAD MAN" as an "incompetent failure". Now you want to learn how to become an even more incompetent failure? I've heard of having low expectations for yourself, but this really takes the cake.

and also, we encounter a clash of philosophies too.... are you REALLY in that much control of your life? really?

Oh, let's leave the philosophizing for philosophers, not internet armchair pop-shrinks.

there's never been very *GOOD MEN* who ended miserably because of circumstance? never weak and despicable men who come to greatness out of what amounts to sheer fvcking luck?

Why not go buy a lottery ticket? Odds are about the same.

does history really show that a strong man makes his own reality? any moreso than his ignorant brethren right next to him?

No, history has no examples of strong, charismatic leaders imposing their reality onto the world. Did you sleep through college?

whether true or no, a POSITIVE ATTITUDE is better than a negative one for sure.

Um... I'm not usually for calling people hypocrites, but this last comment definitely would qualify.

but i'm just not entirely convinced yet that it represents reality as we live it. how many of you will really have made a difference in this world by the time you die?

Now you're equating picking up women with changing the world? You've got a very... interesting... mind. Someone might want to study you someday - along with a daily dose of Thorazine.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

It ain't about the poon, it's about living a purposeful life. Anyone can get laid, it isn't hard. Animals with seemingly single digit IQs do it and so can every person in this forum.

The thing that separates us all is the level of quality that each of us are comfortable with. There are countless threads about not needing to have the best woman in the crowd. This is true, you don't have to, but you don't need to go below your standards either.

Pook writes about being the best you can be and finding good lays are just a byproduct of it all. His advice can put you into 'the zone' where you can seemingly do no wrong, as if everything is working for you and I do mean everything

If your purpose is just to get laid, Pook's philosophy will definitely be overkill for you. There are tons of other methods out there that focus just on saying the right things to get laid and nothing more. But again, getting laid is just a byproduct of what this board actually conveys.

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

I really like all the pseudo-self improvement articles. There's no magic pill or drop of water that will cure your thirst. I think most of the guys need to be realistic as to why they are not good with women. Copying the bad boys will get you no where, if your not really a bad boy. Women can see beneath the facade. From my understanging of Pooks writings, he stresses male actualization.

Come into your own as a man, don't take sh**, stop being so darn desperate, and most importantly develop yourself, your skills, talents, hobbies. All the above will generally make a person more desireable to the ladies. If your fat, have bad acne, ugly, or have speech impediments that leave you drooling in the presence of a women. Work on those flaws while reaching actualization. I think seduction (bein' pua) is a lifestyle where you need all of the above to deal with all the BS that this game will throw at you.

Just my thoughts..........

 

[Nocturnal]

Look at the goals you've identified... getting laid and ...getting laid.

Personally, I'm not quite the desert wanderer you speak of. For those who are, there are methods geared for short run success in that venue.

 

[alphawolfx]

you think so, delta... well lemme show you something...

anyone with good game can get chicks, but take a look at these two pictures of me....

BEFORE:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/sfpcbass/images/02.jpg
I'm the guy with glasses

AFTER:
http://g.myspace.com/00052/17/88/52598871_l.jpg

Gee, I wonder which look makes it easier for me to PU chicks?

Hm....

Stop yer f.uc.king whining, and just make yourself the way you want, be who the f.uc.k you wanna be.

 

[PurpleHaze]

as some other have already pointed out.... it's not about getting laid. i don't know about you guys but I dont settle for average girls. I dont like being average. I always aim high because I feel like i deserve it. I'd rather have sex with one model than 10 average looking girls.

 

[quest]

Originally posted by alphawolfx
you think so, delta... well lemme show you something...

anyone with good game can get chicks, but take a look at these two pictures of me....

BEFORE:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/sfpcbass/images/02.jpg
I'm the guy with glasses

AFTER:
http://g.myspace.com/00052/17/88/52598871_l.jpg

Gee, I wonder which look makes it easier for me to PU chicks?

Hm....

Stop yer f.uc.king whining, and just make yourself the way you want, be who the f.uc.k you wanna be.

after quite a bit of playing around i was able to find ur before pic, dude.. u must be kidding?
you sure as hell have done alot for urself..

 

[Delta]

hey guys,

it's surprising that the least generous of the responses was from the moderator. is it wrong that i be disappointed?

in any case, i don't question that pook's philosophies should be here and am the first to say that he writes valuable things.

but i am of the opinion that most people who end up here arrive for a very specific reason... immediate and dire thirst. and such thirst doesn't usually require any long term relationship or thoughts of a soul mate or what have you. and i think that i agree with francisco in his evaluation that in such cases, pook's may be a bit of an overkill.

and essentially, that's all i'm sayin'. though i'd go a bit further and say that to a person who's really down in the dumps, pook's 15 may inspire outright despair rather than instruction.

How well can you know the people in a night club? How do you know who has their stuff straight and who doesn't? You don't. I don't. Nobody does other then them... and that's the only person who's going to be affected by it. What does it matter about what someone else has? You aren't living their life, are you?

right. but i'm betting that most of the guys who ARE successful are nowhere near pook's ideal.

cynical? you bet? untrue? hmmmmm.

Yes, and it's easy to settle for less than you deserve... very easy, for that's inherent in the nature of settling. However, you're cheating yourself out of what you could have otherwise had... and you're accepting that failure within yourself.

you guys get too much rhetoric from evangelical christianity or something... why this emphasis on IMMEDIATE CRISIS? who's dying? and if you're terminally ill, the pressure of the ticking clock'll probably do you in anyway.

just cuz you slake your life threatening thirst with rain water now doesn't mean you don't have time to get a bottle of evian sport or whatever later.

Sure, there may be a few exceptions. However, the overwhelming majority will not be getting laid "all the fing time"... and if they do, it won't be by anything (or anyone) that they would boast about the next morning...

how do you know? note YOUR assumption here. that guys who get the hot chicks are POOK'S PEOPLE of MAGNIFICENCE.

ya really think that's true? do you really?

and realize of course that for a chick to be a good lay, she needn't have all the right stuff up in the cabeza. as long as she's filthy hot with a mannerism to match, she could be a royal screwhead and that would STILL be something that i could boast about in the morning.

PEOPLE ARE DAMAGED! hardly ANYONE resides in WOMANIVERSE or MANIVERSE or whatever.... we are all wretchedly damaged and that being the case, it is of little value to idealize to such an extent.

Of course you don't care... and that's why you're an AFC. If you actually wanted to better yourself, then you'd be on the road to recovery. Instead, you write statements such as that, which show just how desperate you must be... Why not just say "AS LONG AS IT HAS A COOCH, I'LL HIT IT?"

shall i be ashamed? is desperation a sin now? never been so hungry that you can't think about anything except getting something to eat?

then, be thankful boy that you haven't suffered so. you haven't earned any right to such smugness however.

Sounds like you need to go hire a prostitute if you're that bad off. For someone who writes about how much booty AFC's and "VERY BAD MEN" are getting, it sure hasn't seemed to hold true for yourself...

EXACTLY SO! which is MY ARGUMENT. that this site's most valuable advice is probably NOT about SELF ACTUALIZATION and any such sh!t but a revelation that 'even scum bags lesser than yourself are gettin' some... HERE'S HOW!'

Once he leaves the desert, what will he do?

my fvcking goodness... one mother fvcking bridge at a time EH? there is a season for all things....

Not everyone on this forum has come here simply because they can't ever get any booty, which is what your desert implies. Many wish to know how to get better quality booty, and improve their own game.

granted.... but think about the image in your head when you think AFC. am i wrong to assume what i do?

How do you expect to do that? By asking us to condone the fact that you wish for some magic pill to be given you that will instantly make you more attractive, and a successful seducer of women? No such pill exists - it's up to you to improve yourself to the point where a woman of any quality/significance would actually desire you.

i don't need anyone to condone jack sh!t.

ugh. for a moderator of the board, you seem to have remarkably little grasp of some of the lessons proferred to afcs. SMALL VICTORIES. rome wasn't built in a day. and if you're self esteem is in bad shape, it's not gonna get out of traction by aiming for the top at your first outing.

GOOD ENUF WILL FVCKING DO THE TRICK.

hell, even djs end up with good enufs most of the time right?

one man's burger though is another man's fillet mignon.

also, hot bodies, messed up people... that'll do the trick for most recovering and desperate djs.... just tell us where they hang out.

Earlier, you defined the "BAD MAN" as an "incompetent failure". Now you want to learn how to become an even more incompetent failure? I've heard of having low expectations for yourself, but this really takes the cake.

pay attention. i spoke earlier of bad men who are incompetent failures who yet still manage to score.

you RESPONDED TO THAT SPECIFIC QUOTE FOR PETE'S SAKE.... keep your head in the game.

Oh, let's leave the philosophizing for philosophers, not internet armchair pop-shrinks.

ya mean like pook? if he has the right to preach, certainly i can bring up the fact that many of the ideologies on this board (that i personally find to be potentially helpful) may indeed be just as groundless as my truly negative ones.

if you are going to live your life according to ASSUMPTIONS, you should at least be aware that you are taking some or all on sheer faith.

quote:there's never been very *GOOD MEN* who ended miserably because of circumstance? never weak and despicable men who come to greatness out of what amounts to sheer fvcking luck?


Why not go buy a lottery ticket? Odds are about the same.

and you're saying here that it is with the odds of winning the lotto that a bad man succeeds while a good one fails?

this is something that neither you or i can say definitively. i wish they would do a survey.

i think your opinion is ludicrously optimistic however.

No, history has no examples of strong, charismatic leaders imposing their reality onto the world. Did you sleep through college?

haha. did you even attend?

if you did, you may have become hip to the fact that the ideas on this board SIMPLIFY and STYLIZE the intricate complexities of life and many of the ideas do not reflect accurately the depth.

IS EVERY WORLD LEADER IN HISTORY A DJ?

DID EVERY WORLD LEADER IN HISTORY HAVE THE WOMAN OF HIS DREAMS?

ARE THERE NOT MANY MEN IN HISTORY AND CONTEMPORARY CULTURE WHERE THEY ARE ABSOLUTE AFCs WITH WOMEN BUT MASTERS OF ONE FIELD OR ANOTHER?

if you're going to claim academic superiority, at least have something credible to say.

Um... I'm not usually for calling people hypocrites, but this last comment definitely would qualify.

only because you evidently lack the resources to properly understand what i'm saying.

Now you're equating picking up women with changing the world?

no, but this is basically what POOK is preaching. that unless you're good enough to bring this world to its knees, you're never going to find happiness with women.

am i the only one who is somewhat distraught at that idea?

You've got a very... interesting... mind. Someone might want to study you someday - along with a daily dose of Thorazine.

haha. you have no idea.

delta

 

[alphawolfx]

look delta, you have a point....

there are certain traits that make it easier to PU women

but what holds most people back is that they need to get rid of certain OTHER traits - like fear, thinking you're not good enough. etc...

you don't need to become a different person...

you need to get it out of your head that you CAN'T PU for whatever reason, or that if you don't get the girl when you approach it's a f.uck up - it's not a f.uck up it's whatever, you just think about how you approached and how to do it better the next time.

the problem with self improvement sometimes is that it implies you're deficient. if that's not the route you want to take, then free yourself of the bulls.hit in your mind and get out there.

oh, and take a workshop with either BadBoy (playboylifestyle.net) or Nightlife (badboycoaching.com)

 

[Delta]

hey alpha,

actually, i have no problem at all in looking at myself as deficient. alas, the problem with most afc's is not that they CAN'T SEE THAT.... ruther, they can see it all too well.

but from the stand point of a lonely guy who just wants to get laid every once in a while, pook's approach of building the goddamn fvcking great wall of china first just misses the forest for the trees imo (in a usage which is diametrically opposite of how he would define the forest and the trees).

being a complete, whole and enlightened human being is great and all but that is a LIFE-fvcking-TIME endeavor.

my greatest objection with the lessons is that it seems that you must master life first before you can start fvcking hot chicks - which is ridiculous.

sometimes, you just need to fvck some sex kitten's brains out and then have a pizza and go to sleep so that going to work again in the morning is worthwhile to you.

you're familiar now with my opinion of boot camps and such. mostly, i see them as entrepreneurial endeavors... more power to them... but they ain't gettin' my cash thanks very much.

but i've bought 2 book (deangelo and pilinski, pilinski's being the greater)... all i need is a third, and i'll count this blessing of a website as my magazine reading.

everything i know which is of any value i've learned from a book and i'm convinced this will be no different.
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HAHA....

has anyone tried to be the ANTI-POOK?

i'd like to give that a try.

since he places emphasis on long term development into an admittedly virtuous and functional human being, i'll try taking the DARK SIDE route which is easier and embraces your flaws and the flaws of all the hot chicks you want....

perhaps 'the dj's guide to going straight to hell'?

'recognizing, then using the inherent damage, insecurities and flaws of all human beings to get the great sex you 'deserve'.....'



there's a value to cynicism fellows.

confidence is great. but such devotion to a philosophy (any really) can leave you open to being blind sided by CON GAMES... which expanded out to original form is CONFIDENCE GAMES.

i think there's a reason confidence among males is what it is these days... it's just PRACTICAL.

delta

 

[Nightspark]

My, my, my, MY!

What do we have here?! Hrrm it appears someone is speaking their mind...

DUde honestly i've read most of your posts and all i can say is this...

AT some point you have failed? Am i RIght? seems that way, and you tried to persue what you're calling Pook's Magnifigence of a Man. Dude how the fcuk can you persue something that obviously is a Legend!? This magnifigence of a man is a Legend, or better yet a God. NO ONE CAN BE TRULEY GOD OR GOD-LIKE, we have to accept that fact. However you can ascend into saint-hood (sorry for the religious comparison but it works), or a DJ i guess.

You're seriously taking Pooks posts a bit too exaggeratedly serious dude! Pook is his own self, an individual and what he wrote is basically something that he follows himself today. However yeah i see what he's wriiting but i dont agree to all of it since i have my own opinion and my own voice, just like you. I and everysingle other person in this board and the world for that matter can not be POOK!

Oh and your ranting about not obeying philosophies, it's in Pooks post you idiot!

Look everyone follow your own sh!t... that's all i can say... at the end of the day, you're happy, then good for you.

 

[squirrels]

Dude, get over sex.

It's a wonderful, exciting thing. But if you're THAT hung up on getting it, you never will.

If you become a worthy mate, women will seek sex from YOU.

 

[Sart]

THE ANSWER

Delta just wants a reasonable answer to a reasonable question. As he said, he wants to have a drink because he is throsty NOW! And we start telling him to improve himself etc. I see his point.

Okay, I didn't want to do this, sorry to all you genuine DJ's out there, I am going to let the cat out of the bag so Delta can get laid. Sorry.

Okay Delta, keep this quiet.....You go to room 8 on Belevue Way. Knock on the green door three times...NOT THE RED ONE...that is where ALL the hottest chicks are. Now, to get laid all you do is this. Go to the chick who turns you on the most and say "Blue horseshoe lurves Delta".

Okay, you are now a DJ, without all that pointless self improvement crap. I guess this site will shut down now. I shouldn't have let the anser out, but it all just got too much.

 

[Nightspark]

Re: THE ANSWER

Originally posted by Sart
Delta just wants a reasonable answer to a reasonable question. As he said, he wants to have a drink because he is throsty NOW! And we start telling him to improve himself etc. I see his point.

Okay, I didn't want to do this, sorry to all you genuine DJ's out there, I am going to let the cat out of the bag so Delta can get laid. Sorry.

Okay Delta, keep this quiet.....You go to room 8 on Belevue Way. Knock on the green door three times...NOT THE RED ONE...that is where ALL the hottest chicks are. Now, to get laid all you do is this. Go to the chick who turns you on the most and say "Blue horseshoe lurves Delta".

Okay, you are now a DJ, without all that pointless self improvement crap. I guess this site will shut down now. I shouldn't have let the anser out, but it all just got too much.

nah bro ive tried that... they just look at you like you're soem fcukwit hahahaa

 

[AlwaysExcel]

Hey Delta, alphawolf had some good advice. I don't have money for workshops either but I focus on seduction skills rather than self improvement. I believe I am the coolest, just the way I am. It's the way I convey myself that needs work. And actually, the thing that's really helped my game is being alert for opportunities to escalate or creating these opportunities and then acting on them. I think a big issue for a lot of dudes is fear of escalation. We've got to lead that shyt physically and emotionally AND manage the logistics of getting a girl from a meet up location to bed.

Why don't you focus on a couple of your sticking points and just work on those? Otherwise, seduction will become this giant wearisome endeavor that will look impossible.

 

[Ice Cold]

You can get chicks either way.

You can improve yourself so much, that you just shine and get approached and wanted by the hot chicks.

Or you can, without improving yourself, just "chase" after them. Mystery and many ASF guys have perfected the art of "chasing" bacially.

No offence to anybody, it's a legitimate choice, but Gunwitch for example is far from being alpha on provider or education scale. So he just hunts for chicks.

Many approaches. Many flirtations and talks, all result in being laid.

Is he doing self improvement or just learns to bed chicks? A bit of both, but he's far from Pook's teachings, cause most of his "findings" are only applicable to a particular venue.

As long as it works for you, do it

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

I get it that, you desire to KNOW how to get chicks, and if that's the case, go alt.fast.seduction, by some Ross Jeffries stuff, and some DYD. BUT...speak to them, and no matter what your CORE is, you can't throw anything on a wall that won't take. It's like putting additions on a home that's been condemned.


For the majority of guys seeking, craving, wanting, crying, bleeding over pvssy, they can't see that NO trick works. That the enlightened mind does not need quick tricks, or quick fixes. Why?


I've had more quick lays in the past year or 2 than I care to remember, which for some isn't alot, and for others its a feat, but its empty. Sex without a person you care for is MEANINGLESS. It's masturbation. She's not into you, you're not into her. Until she truly loves you or she's some paid-for porn actress, she's unlikely to give COMPLETELY.


It's like doing something you THINK and FEEL is right, then waking up one day and realizing you got NOWHERE with yourself. Health, wealth, business, investing, and life has always been a higher priority than boozing and pvssy, yet for a 2 year period I let friends con me into believing differently. I awoke one day, after realizing how good it didn't feel having quick lays or multiple dates, and wonder what I wanted of my life.


A Woman enjoys, loves, and even fvcks a guy based on who he is and his life. Sure, you can find a quick lay here or there, but do you really want her? If she quick lays you, who else has she done it to?


I sense your frustration. On a road to mastery, the plateaus hurt and disillusion many, and many turn back, saying that the "way" led them astray, or doesn't work, or is too hard. Well, if you fail at picking up a girl, wouldn't you at least enjoy walking back to a life, a self, that you respect and love?


There's no supreme ideal or master self, if there was, it'd be boring. However, there is the journey. You're being tugged by your emotions, pulled like taffy in all directions.


Keep in mind, the old ideal was of a MAN choosing a WOMAN; we've let that ideal change, and now Men are more frazzled at approaching and keeping women than EVER. We've allowed equal rights to confuse our perception of EQUALITY. Two very different philosophies.


Your post reminds me of many of my friends, in fact, who are just as deluded and skeptical. One in fact, is a prison guard. No offense to anybody who is, but his state is of just getting laid with almost a bitter resentment toward people beyond that. He expects to be given, but does not expect to give. He seeks women at bars and lowly places, and expects his friends to throw women at him. Yet, in all of us this, he's not representative of someone I desire to help because he won't help himself, or me. He's killed many interactions with women for me and never paid heed to what I said that might help. It's obvious he wants the QUICK FIX, and while I've taken the long-run, I've had much more fun, better results, more consistently.


What other purpose do we men serve than ourselves?

Since the dawn of time, men have served purposes higher than themselves, and through that, they found themselves. Women loved, and still love, men of that nature. Men who are firefighters, or doctors, or corporate raiders, or atheletes, or soldiers.

You Receive and Attract What You Are.

Very often that hot pornstar is merely searching for her daddy's approval [see Jenna Jameson's book, or any book on psychology.] Or that girl who dumped you, had a hard childhood, or a divorced family. The images you're presenting to me, anyway, aren't reality. I don't base attraction on TV, nor do I ASSUME to know why 2 people are together. Have you ever ACTUALLY watched 2 people you perceive to know fvcking? All these people assume 'bad boys' are fvcking tons of chicks, yet I see none of what you mention. Maybe I"m part of that crowd, or maybe its just UNREALITY, and you need to reframe that.

If you desire to fvck the hot chicks, become what they seek. You might have tremendous skills at seduction, but if you're pasty white and pale, with no money, don't believe the hype, a dime wouldn't accept you. And if you had the money, would you want to be cared for on the basis of superficial aspects? Money. Looks. Clothes. Job. All these things change, and you need to communicate that to women. That YOU are enduring, but that the reality of the world changes around us...and THAT she must accept.


It All Boils Down To You.

While A woman rarely PERSUES men, she will be more aggressive with her INDICATORS of INTEREST. A girl TOO FORWARD, is TOO desperate. Unless she's your GF, she's unlikely to be THAT UPFRONT. My bro has girls like that chasing him; they're puppy dogs, and he hates it. They're girls from broken homes, who need a man, and sure, he could fvck them, but what would that do for him that masturbation can't? His music is more important and the more aloof he's remained, the more they've wanted him. Not because they couldn't have him, though that's part of it, but because he's grounded. She sense his balance, his STRENGTH.

Male strength and power is love to a woman.

Femininity, grace, youth, and sexuality are love from a woman to a man.

A guy who is overly sexual is doing the job of a woman. It's more prudent to be aggressive and take the action of making her feel something, than just sitting around. Whisper in her ear while you hold her and kiss her, but let her SENSE your presence, your power, your body, your essence while doing it. Your words, tied to a sensation are VERY POWERFUL. That's anchoring NLP Style.

Women admire men who are intelligent.

Yes, that's right intelligent, in the right ways. Women like psychology, feelings, sex, love, romance, passion, etc, and if you get them, they respect you. Many women are also very spiritual and deep, and can talk endlessly about such things, be it astrology, palm reading, spirits, etc, they gravitate toward that realm. I think at least 3 girls had an emphatic interest this year alone.

You Want the Secret of the Jerk and the Bad Boy?

They love life. They love who they are, and what they do. They love where they are, because what they do is what they want. They're not wooed by society, or by family, or by friends. They do what they enjoy. He says...

"Come along with me if you want to enjoy life, if you want to have fun."

She'd be a fool not to. She doesn't go because he man-handles her [though if she did, I'd question her mental stability], she goes because she sense adventure, which she craves. She craves to feel. And she wants to be naughty, but not as bad as he is. He's masculine, fearless. He goes for what he wants in life without regard for outside consequences.

We've all done this somewhere, sometime. Perhaps you were invited to a last minute party, and had a great day at work, so you carried the vibe with you. When you arrive, there's people you don't know, and you don't care because you're so HIGH from today, and there's no consequences to your actions because you don't know them. You were you. You were loose. Free. Unencumbered.


Personally, I care not for what you desire to do to get girls. However, if your goals are long-term happiness, with exceptional women, the best method, that I have tested and succeeded with, is bettering myself. I can't change or control others, only myself, and in doing so, I effect others, positively or negatively. You can negate that and take a short-term view, BUT, down the road, when all other guys have taken the hard road and are now light years ahead, where will you be?





A-Unit

 

[check_mate_kid_uk]

Re: pook's 15 lessons are MISLEADING... also why SELF IMPROVEMENT SHOULD NOT BE THE F

Originally posted by Delta


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i say these words but i'm sure i speak for many afcs....

WE DON'T GIVE A FLYING FVCK WHETHER WE'RE TITANS AMONG MEN... WE WANT SOME FVCKING PVSSY.

that sounds very weak doesn't it? but that is the situation of men who have been wandering the desert.

altruism and nobility may be great but for the desert wanderer, he'll put a knife to all of it for a drop of water.

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and so SELF HELP in this forum misses the point by a LARGE MARGIN simply because it seeks to teach nobility to a thirsty man instead of giving him a drop to drink.

JUST GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN FVCK pretty regularly so that we can think straight enough to worry about every other goddamn thing.

TEACH US THE WAYS OF THE SUCCESSFUL *BAD MAN* so that we can emulate his success despite flaws.

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you, sir are an idiot! lets just think for a second not about why you think pook is wrong but about what you think the solution is.

you say WE DON'T GIVE A FLYING FVCK WHETHER WE'RE TITANS AMONG MEN... WE WANT SOME FVCKING PVSSY.

well what if that was they way to get pussey, so in other words you do not want want to be a kind of guy that can get pussey you just want pussey.

you all say and my i rmeind you of the magic butotn which turns capitals in to lower case..

JUST GET US TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN FVCK pretty regularly so that we can think straight enough to worry about every other goddamn thing.

TEACH US THE WAYS OF THE SUCCESSFUL *BAD MAN* so that we can emulate his success despite flaws.

you are new here we do this because it works now you are saying i dont want to learn this stuff i just want results.

i think you do not want and are not prepaired to learn any of this you just want results with no work put in

oh and as for you saying "and so SELF HELP in this forum misses the point by a LARGE MARGIN simply because it seeks to teach nobility to a thirsty man instead of giving him a drop to drink."

have i got this right? in this analgy, the thirst is that of a thirst for women, are you saying sosuave should just give us women rather then teaching us how to get even more, what would oyu rather £50,000 or an education so that you can make far more then £50,000 in the future.

i rest my case