Point to Having Kids?

[FairShake]

No, my daughter was not planned.

You basically hit the nail on the head. I live for another now. Sacrifice is perhaps the biggest life-altering moment in the selfish world of our's. There is nothing I care about in the world as much as my daughter. I used to be a guy who would get ready-to-fight angry over a scratch on my motorcycle, a dog peeing in my "lawn" (which is really a rowhouse patch), or a spilled drink at a bar. Not anymore. I live for family and myself. Sorry to get all monk about it.

And it IS selfish talking about what a change it is for me. But it's always going to sound that way. I like watching her grow and mature and succeed.

The pressure gets to me sometimes. My daughter is smart...too smart. She is constantly testing limits and going further than she should. Granted, the smart ones always do. She also overachieves in mischief but in virtually all areas of life so far. Is it worth it? Ask me this...do I want more? Yep.

 

[Kailex]

Found an interesting thread posting somewhat the same question, back in 2007.

And some of the reasons the Pro-Kid people gave where the same ones I kept hearing. Very interesting how 3 years later, opinions very closely match even if most of the people are different:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=135422&page=2

Very good read so far.

 

[Colossus]

I read a great quote recently:

"It's never the right time for having kids. But it's always the right time for screwing. God knows how it works, He's not a dumbsh!t."

Another one, paraphrased from my dad:

"You think most men WANT to have kids? Not usually. But once you do, life's not about you anymore. It changes you. I dont expect you to understand unless you have kids of your own."

Anyways, I've come to the conclusion that trying to find a logical justification for having kids is silly----there isnt any. The world is on it's way to massive overpopulation. There's not really a "need" to pass on your genes. Kids cost a lot of money, and take up most of your time. If things dont work out with your wife there's a good chance you'll get screwed and not see your kids very often. See what I mean? This isnt a rational process like buying a car or investing in some mutual funds. Sometimes it just happens, maybe with a girl you dont even like. Maybe you'll find a woman you love so much that you WANT to raise a family with her. Sometimes kids happen unplanned, sometimes it's a thing borne out of love. Either way, when it does, life's not all about you anymore.

 

[grinder]

Found an interesting thread posting somewhat the same question, back in 2007.

And some of the reasons the Pro-Kid people gave where the same ones I kept hearing. Very interesting how 3 years later, opinions very closely match even if most of the people are different:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=135422&page=2

Very good read so far.

Ha ha, what I said back then. And now I'm going to be a grandfather too!

 

[runner83]

Life Goal 1 - Survive
Life Goal 2 - Reproduce
Life Goal 3 - Return to Step 1

Life goals 2 is the only reason why I would have kids.

But, remember, according to the figures, maybe 10 - 30% of kids don't actually have dads that are their biological father.

Motto of the story: find an attractive married woman, get her pregnant so her husband doesn't find out (that you did it), and then leave to live a life of freedom while they raise the child.

Easy! Problem solved!

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

For anyone of the mind that parenting justifies marriage, or that becoming a parent is "fulfilling" and completing,...

Why Parents Hate Parenting.

 

[Kailex]

For anyone of the mind that parenting justifies marriage, or that becoming a parent is "fulfilling" and completing,...

Why Parents Hate Parenting.

Reading that article made me want to get "fixed".
Specially after reading about how children affect relationships adversely.

Made me try to think back to my own parents and what most of their arguments, and sure enough, it wa either financial or something related to me or my sister.

Of course, the two of us were the indirect effect of the financial.
Clearly, if money was lacking, it's because anything extra made by my parents was clearly being funneled into one of us. No surprise that my parents financial burdens started clearing up the moment I turned 17 and moved out to live on my own.

So if parenting doesn't justify marriage? What does?

 

[Commandante]

The case against marriage: children

"So now you're married and your life stills lacks meaning and direction. What could be missing? I know: children!

Oh, you'll have direction now! Twenty years of direction! Will you have meaning, however? That's a different question."

 

[zekko]

Having children seems to make less sense in today's culture. In agricultural days, children provided you with cheap labor. Today, they are a drain on resources, especially with the high cost of education and health care.

 

[sodbuster]

IF you want to experience all the challenges life has to offer 1] start your own business 2] get married 3]have kids. All 3 will give you a life changing experience-not saying they will be good ones or bad ones. It's great having a business and making 6 figures,but I'm first in the door and usually last out. Trouble dealing with employees and patients etc.etc. etc.Kids are the same-there is a depth of love you've never felt before-and there's the sick kid puking down the back of your neck at 3AM.

 

[Kailex]

The past few weeks have gone by and the topic has come and gone amongst friends and others.

I've been called selfish, I've been told that I will die lonely, I've been told that no woman would EVER go for this idea.

I was actually told this, which made me LAUGH:

Yeah? And so what, you're going to keep all that money you make to yourself?

To which I replied:

I could get a dog and spend some money on that instead.

 

[Warrior74]

The past few weeks have gone by and the topic has come and gone amongst friends and others.

I've been called selfish, I've been told that I will die lonely, I've been told that no woman would EVER go for this idea.

I was actually told this, which made me LAUGH:

Yeah? And so what, you're going to keep all that money you make to yourself?

To which I replied:

I could get a dog and spend some money on that instead.

LOL while it feels good to stick it to them about your views on the topic, never forget the law.

Think as you like but Behave like others

If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.

You could not imagine the number of women who think I am looking for a wife to settled down and have more kids with. And that I believe in other clap trap in regards to women and religion. Fighting it only makes you more of a target, especially when you need their support and need them to work for you. Regardless what people say, they really deep down don't accept those they think are "different".

 

[Powerlifter]

I thought this the perfect place to place the movie Dinks teaser trailer just up today on Youtube a comedy I am presently involved in.

Couples with duel incomes without kids are known as dinks double income no kids.

The director in the teaser talking is a personal friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Axwnr8GqCA

Powerlifter

 

[backbreaker]

I have to have someone to play mario cart with and my fiancee sucks

 

[DJDamage]

Paradox of parenting is an interesting read from this blog:

http://micah.sparacio.org/07/31/2010/the-paradox-of-parenting/

 

[DoItAgain]

Am I the only person that hates kids? I mean I don't find them cute at all. I think people just think they're so "cool" because they brought someone into the world. They like to show off their young children like trophies. But in reality, everyone does it. There's nothing creative about it.

I've worked hard for my freedom, and overcame life-threatening depression. The last thing I want to do is give my life over to some woman that's just going to cut her hair short and put on 20 lbs once we get married, and then have annoying kids.

 

[nismo-4]

Am I the only person that hates kids? I mean I don't find them cute at all. I think people just think they're so "cool" because they brought someone into the world. They like to show off their young children like trophies. But in reality, everyone does it. There's nothing creative about it.

I've worked hard for my freedom, and overcame life-threatening depression. The last thing I want to do is give my life over to some woman that's just going to cut her hair short and put on 20 lbs once we get married, and then have annoying kids.

Hell naw! I don't even see what good having children does!

I'm working on making my millions and I don't plan on having children anytime in the future. I don't want, nor do I need kids! At my age, I don't see a point in doing so. It's usually the women that want children anyway.

I really like what runner83 said!

 

[f283000]

Hell naw! I don't even see what good having children does!

I'm working on making my millions and I don't plan on having children anytime in the future. I don't want, nor do I need kids!At my age, I don't see a point in doing so. It's usually the women that want children anyway.

You don't want to but accidents do happen! And if it isn't an accident it's moments of uncontrolled lust where you don't want to or care about using a condom you just want to do it!

They really need to speed up the creation of the male equivalent of birth control (sperm control i guess). I heard it's 5 years away.

 

[Powerlifter]

I don't hate kids for how can you blame a kid for anything... just the parents that never discipline their kids and create kids that run wild is the problem.

Powerlifter

 

[jafyk]

Having kids is a man's duty to the human race. Everyone has to make their own contribution. The reason we are all here having this conversation is because somebody gave birth to us, right? Most of the reasons people don't want to have kids either is for selfish reasons. There's only so much meaning material stuff and banging HB's will give to your life. A lot of times when I read of and hear these kinda stuff it's usually from people in the western culture who have advanced so much that normal life and it's simplicities have become so boring. and Me, myslef annd I + stuff has become prevalent. If you even look back to a some hundred years ago. I bet this wasn't the attitude people had. Now dogs are becoming the new humans. Imagine someone leaving their wealth to an animal. Did this happen that many years ago? You go to the restaurant and you are mistakenly given Swiss cheese instead of American cheese. It becomes a big deal. Anyway, you get the point.