Paying for sex vs paying for a date

[ChristopherColumbus]

This thread shows how reduction of life to the economic plane is impoverishing. The fact is paying for sex lacks all dignity. It's a shameful act that all men who indulge in it down dark alley ways like to keep secret from anyone they know in life. It's only on an anonymous internet forum that one could be out and proud about it.

Not to mention the addictive nature of it... and as the fastest way to the poor house.

 

[Jaws]

This thread shows how reduction of life to the economic plane is impoverishing. The fact is paying for sex lacks all dignity. It's a shameful act that all men who indulge in it down dark alley ways like to keep secret from anyone they know in life. It's only on an anonymous internet forum that one could be out and proud about it.

Not to mention the addictive nature of it... and as the fastest way to the poor house.

Ridiculous.

 

[marmel75]

Sure buddy. Oldest profession in the world going back millennia. The most honest transaction possible between man and woman, trading sex for resources and cutting thru all the BS. High caliber athletes and politicians use escorts all the time to avoid dealing with the stress. But now doing it is this modern concept from the last 100 years known as being a "loser" that you keyboard warriors throw around to subcommunicate that you're a winner!

I guess the billionaire athletes and politicians should look to you instead, a chest thumping super alpha on the couch, with 5,600 posts in 6 years on an anonymous PUA forum.

Let me guess, you bought Jason Capital's "Status" and Corey Wayne's "3% Man", and after dropping the only $497 you had you can't admit it was a waste of time, so now as a coping mechanism you convinced yourself you can bring the most unattainable 10 on the planet to her knees with your tight "game"?

I wonder, do you talk about your SoSuave resume when DHVing?

Nah I bought none of those, simply worked hard to improve and did so over a period of many dates and a year and a half or so.

Just because you are rich and/or famous doesn't mean you automatically do well with women. Some of the richest dudes are the ones who get played by women the worst.

 

[guru1000]

@corrector The point is these people are not losers. They may be reckless or even crazy, but a politician or athlete by definition is among the elite. And the pay for sex all the time.

Paying for sex is not necessarily a loser act. Sometimes it's just easier to cut the crap between the sexes. And let's be honest, when you put aside all the BS peddled by liars like @guru1000 and @marmel75 who are trying to sell you on magic pills and law of attraction nonsense, or just chest thumping like the bully in middle school who was overcompensating for something, throw the outdated concept of game and let's get right down to it.

With this absolute rubbish market of women, what is easier?

Option A: Send out 200 messages in order to get 10 numbers from tatted up single moms with bad attitudes, get 5 replies, which turn into 2 dates. Maybe 1 flakes and other shows up. You have to wine and dine her while she looks at her phone all night and she may reject you anyway at the end of the night. $250 gone and nothing to show for it. Do this once per weekend and in a month and it's $1,000 down the drain.

Option B: Fly to Vegas or Amsterdam for the weekend. The flight and hotel costs you $500 total for 3 nights. Find two quality, clean escorts who charge $200 an hour. Offer them $250 to make it good. You spent $500 to lay two beautiful girls and got to visit a new city. Total damage $1,000.

Naughty Ninja is relegated to hookers and justifies it, because no girl online or offline will give him a shot. LOL

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Nah I bought none of those, simply worked hard to improve and did so over a period of many dates and a year and a half or so.

Just because you are rich and/or famous doesn't mean you automatically do well with women. Some of the richest dudes are the ones who get played by women the worst.

And you "improved" by going to the gym?

What do you do for a living? What's your age? Are you still in school?

 

[Poonani Maker]

Back in the olden days there were no dates. In the 1700s, colonial America, people would go to "Balls" and dance and whatnot, drink a ****-ton, men (Older prestigious men) would maybe attempt to grab a kiss from a young lass and she might scratch him with her fingernails leaving a mark, her running off. But all would laugh and it was fun. The man, probably a captain of a ship or something like Sir Walter Raleigh, wouldn't be "embarrassed." Excursions into the courtyard or down the walkway to the shore or the woods a couple who had been running into each other in their travels would head off and get freaky on the ground at night, I mean all the way. Of course, they stunk more back then than we do today. "Dating" beyond the dressing up in nice clothes and such was free, and for the poor it was going to a pond or maybe more of a religious courtship.

 

[fastlife]

$8 bottle of wine. Invite her over. One glass of wine (usually don't even finish that)--you're looking at around $1-$2 a girl.

But you don't even need the wine if she likes you. You can just pretend you think you have a bottle then 'realize' you lost it. You can invite her over for a cup of coffee. Last three girls I pulled I spent exactly $0.

 

[The Duke]

I don't see why the anti-prostitute brigade gets so upset. It's no different than any other person that provides a service. You pay girls to massage your back muscles right? Why not pay them to massage your little Oscar Myer weiner? Calling somebody a loser because they decide to cut out all of the bs and throw some money down for some guaranteed sex is a bit much. Don't knock it until you try it.

One thing I have observed and a buddy of mine also noticed was there are a lot of girls on SeekingArrangements that are also on Bumble and Tinder. So how do you know that girl you matched with on Bumble doesn't also have an account on SA? You are still banging a "hooker"...that hurts your ego doesn't it? Women don't hand out pu$$y for free, they want your money or your time or both! If all you want is sex, then why the hell not.

Guys spend all sorts of money and time trying to improve their looks(hair growth meds, facials, professional dating pics, manscaping, gym, supplements, clothes, jewelry, boot camps, reading SoSuave) all so he can improve his chances of getting something that isn't guaranteed. On the other end you have guys that say I'm going to drink beer, watch sports, hang out with my boys at Hooters, and do cool guy schitt and when I get horny I'm going to pay a hot hooker $200 for some sex.

You can go to your local market and buy all sorts of premium fish/meat OR you can drop a couple thousand on a boat/fishing tackle/guns/decoys/apparel/etc and spend all day on the water or in the field chasing these illusive critters. But I'm not going to call the guy a loser that says "hey, here's a guaranteed sure fire way to accomplish the same thing. " Maybe he would rather spend his time building wealth than chasing women. Props to the guy who assigns more value to improving himself for personal reasons, vs improving appearance and knowledge to gain women.

 

[The Duke]

$8 bottle of wine. Invite her over. One glass of wine (usually don't even finish that)--you're looking at around $1-$2 a girl.

But you don't even need the wine if she likes you. You can just pretend you think you have a bottle then 'realize' you lost it. You can invite her over for a cup of coffee. Last three girls I pulled I spent exactly $0.

And how many girls did you make that offer to before you had 3 takers? How many flaked on you at the last minute? How much time did you invest? How hot were these girls? And you think girls that are that easy aren't wh0res/hookers? They are worse, they are girls that don't even value themselves enough to charge!

You aren't fooling me, I've been around the block a few times

 

[guru1000]

Howie, surely you understand the distinction between a girl fvcking you in exchange for money--and--a girl wanting to rip your clothes off and fvck your brains out because she desires you. Same act, different motivation. The "currency" is different.

You're on a male improvement site. To shame men trying to improve (to get women who desire them) in lieu of paying hookers is the standing issue.

Paying hookers is a detriment to a man's growth: Remove the option of hookers and watch how quickly those who only pay hookers begin to improve themselves (See Richard).

 

[sosousage]

There are two opposing sides to this debate.

On one hand you have men who believe paying strictly for a prostitute who will have sex with anyone is the same as taking a woman on a date you pay for.


Difference is, anyone can pay to have sex with a prostitute. Not every man willing to pay for a date will get to have sex let alone a date with a non-prostitute just because he's willing to pay for the date.

better none. but paying for date is so naive nowadays. always take them for a walk

 

[The Duke]

Howie, surely you understand the distinction between a girl fvcking you in exchange for money--and--a girl wanting to rip your clothes off and fvck your brains out because she desires you. Same act, different motivation. The "currency" is different.

You're on a male improvement site. To shame men trying to improve (to get women who desire them) in lieu of paying hookers is the standing issue.

Paying hookers is a detriment to a man's growth: Remove the option of hookers and watch how quickly those who only pay hookers begin to improve themselves (See Richard).

Agree. Paid girls should not be a replacement or a man's focus. If banging a hooker impedes your progress towards becoming a skilled hunter(don juan), then definitely you should not be banging hookers.

 

[Jaws]

Naughty Ninja is relegated to hookers and justifies it, because no girl online or offline will give him a shot. LOL

You were selling your azz in prison like a hooker. You had no choice ex-con. Lmao

 

[fastlife]

And how many girls did you make that offer to before you had 3 takers? How many flaked on you at the last minute? How much time did you invest? How hot were these girls? And you think girls that are that easy aren't wh0res/hookers? They are worse, they are girls that don't even value themselves enough to charge!

You aren't fooling me, I've been around the block a few times

Let me check my spread sheet lol. But typically, I invest an hour or two with a girl the night I meet them. Usually push for a meetup that night--she has to be really exceptional for me to even bother trying to set up something later in the week (instead of going out again). Keep the convo emotional, escalate once or twice boldly, then pull all the way back until we're somewhere more private.

As far as success rate, I get flaked on later in the week about 60% of the time (far better success same night)--but then I can just switch to something more platonic like coffee & at least half of those flakes will come thru for that. Obviously logistics play a role--Is she with friends? Her boyfriend? Do her friends like me? Is she leaving for the airport in the morning? Etc. So girls who are down & whose logistics work out obviously narrows the pool. So if I had to guess it's meet 10 girls, 8 of them like me, 4 of them have bad logistics, 2 or 3 of them wash out last minute, 1 or 2 of them come home.

I don't dip below 7, and 7 is only if I'm really horny--and if I had to guess (based on the standards of most guys I know), my 7 trends towards their 8s or 9s. So of the last 3, I'd say one 7- (just wanted to keep my streak going), one 7+/8-, one hard 8.

And every girl's free for the right guy on the right night--even the most innocent, principled girl you've ever met. If you've been around the block you should know that

 

[The Duke]

Let me check my spread sheet lol. But typically, I invest an hour or two with a girl the night I meet them. Usually push for a meetup that night--she has to be really exceptional for me to even bother trying to set up something later in the week (instead of going out again). Keep the convo emotional, escalate once or twice boldly, then pull all the way back until we're somewhere more private.

As far as success rate, I get flaked on later in the week about 60% of the time (far better success same night)--but then I can just switch to something more platonic like coffee & at least half of those flakes will come thru for that. Obviously logistics play a role--Is she with friends? Her boyfriend? Do her friends like me? Is she leaving for the airport in the morning? Etc. So girls who are down & whose logistics work out obviously narrows the pool. So if I had to guess it's meet 10 girls, 8 of them like me, 4 of them have bad logistics, 2 or 3 of them wash out last minute, 1 or 2 of them come home.

I don't dip below 7, and 7 is only if I'm really horny--and if I had to guess (based on the standards of most guys I know), my 7 trends towards their 8s or 9s. So of the last 3, I'd say one 7- (just wanted to keep my streak going), one 7+/8-, one hard 8.

And every girl's free for the right guy on the right night--even the most innocent, principled girl you've ever met. If you've been around the block you should know that

What do you rate yourself on the looks scale. An 8?

 

[Jaws]

Howie, surely you understand the distinction between a girl fvcking you in exchange for money--and--a girl wanting to rip your clothes off and fvck your brains out because she desires you. Same act, different motivation. The "currency" is different.

You're on a male improvement site. To shame men trying to improve (to get women who desire them) in lieu of paying hookers is the standing issue.

Paying hookers is a detriment to a man's growth: Remove the option of hookers and watch how quickly those who only pay hookers begin to improve themselves (See Richard).

Nice try Ponzi on trying to sell us some self-improvement product. Guys, now he's thrown the bait out there so someone will ask him "how do I improve?" and he can respond with "PM me" and begin his "sales funnel".

Ponzi dosn't have a real job due to his record, so his "living" now is to convince men they are the problem so they can keep paying him until they reach the non-existent summit of his vague definitions of "self improvement".

Shame on any men still falling for the 50 Shades fantasy you are selling, where you can actually get to such a place where every woman online wants to "rip your clothes off". Most of that is looks and genetics 99.9% of men weren't born with. Plus, with every woman have 20-50 c0cks and the thousand yard stare nowadays, that raw animalistic attraction is a thing of the past too.

Note to mods: he's about to flip out thru PM's with ultimatums threatening to sue IP addresses again for cutting into his "consulting". Sorry about that one.

 

[fastlife]

What do you rate yourself on the looks scale. An 8?

Hard 9.

Which is, admittedly, an advantage (especially in closed social environments like high school & college where I had enough forced proximity over a long enough period of time to demonstrate other qualities). BUT men grossly overestimate the importance/effectiveness of looks when it comes to cold approach. If looks were everything, I would've never had to learn game. Modifying my mindset & behavior has done more for me than looks ever did.

Two or so years ago, when I finally admitted to myself that I wasn't having the kind of success with women I wanted & started cold approaching, I was flat out rejected on 95% of my opens--even by girls who were less hot than any of the girls I'd been with up to that point. I haven't gotten any better looking in the past two years, but my results have improved dramatically.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

A) you will be paying a hell of a lot more for a prostitute thab a date unless you are banging some nasty skank or act like Big Gumby and try to throw beta bucks at then.

B) the sex will be nowhere near as good

C) This is the act of a straight up loser.

How do you know the sex wouldn't be good?

You're telling me the threesomes I have with Brazilian girls isn't good?

And that your weird Marmel wannabe "alpha" gym loser sex is better? And we're supposed to believe you because you tell us so?

 

[Masculinity]

There are some things that are just very wrong with some guys in this forum...

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I don't see why the anti-prostitute brigade gets so upset. It's no different than any other person that provides a service. You pay girls to massage your back muscles right? Why not pay them to massage your little Oscar Myer weiner? Calling somebody a loser because they decide to cut out all of the bs and throw some money down for some guaranteed sex is a bit much. Don't knock it until you try it.

One thing I have observed and a buddy of mine also noticed was there are a lot of girls on SeekingArrangements that are also on Bumble and Tinder. So how do you know that girl you matched with on Bumble doesn't also have an account on SA? You are still banging a "hooker"...that hurts your ego doesn't it? Women don't hand out pu$$y for free, they want your money or your time or both! If all you want is sex, then why the hell not.

Guys spend all sorts of money and time trying to improve their looks(hair growth meds, facials, professional dating pics, manscaping, gym, supplements, clothes, jewelry, boot camps, reading SoSuave) all so he can improve his chances of getting something that isn't guaranteed. On the other end you have guys that say I'm going to drink beer, watch sports, hang out with my boys at Hooters, and do cool guy schitt and when I get horny I'm going to pay a hot hooker $200 for some sex.

You can go to your local market and buy all sorts of premium fish/meat OR you can drop a couple thousand on a boat/fishing tackle/guns/decoys/apparel/etc and spend all day on the water or in the field chasing these illusive critters. But I'm not going to call the guy a loser that says "hey, here's a guaranteed sure fire way to accomplish the same thing. " Maybe he would rather spend his time building wealth than chasing women. Props to the guy who assigns more value to improving himself for personal reasons, vs improving appearance and knowledge to gain women.

And just because a girl needs money and is willing to trade sex for it doesn't mean she's some dirty, nasty hooker.

One girl I'm talking to right now from SA has a full-time job working for the Florida Highway Patrol!!! (She's a cop).

And just because money is involved doesn't mean they don't find you attractive, either. It also doesn't mean they don't enjoy the sex. This girl says she's trying to save up for a new place to move out of her ex's place because they don't fvck and haven't had sex in a month. She says she has the fantasy of being tied up, blindfolded, and used. Good thing I have handcuffs and a blindfold in my closet.