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Own the fvck up!!
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spider_007
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better yat; what are you doing talking to a doctor, if you don't bolive in it....(you made this thread 3 years ago)
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You could argue that both points of view are correct.
If you accept the science that all thought involves neurotransmitters, then it's entirely possible that negative thinking and feeling can mess with them, causing and then perpetuating a depressed state.
Over time, this could develop into the "bitter and content with their misery" rut, in which the person may be incapable of altering their thoughts on any but the most superficial level - I can say anything I want to myself, but it never changes how I feel.
Drugs, or anything extremely pleasurable performed too often, can deplete the brain of its supply of a given neurotransmitter, specifically the ones dealing with pleasure, which can induce a depressed state that is perpetuated by the addiction, the need for that external source to bring the levels back up.
He's probably thinking that if a person were to get out of their neurological condition on their own, the effect would essentially be permanent as the neurotransmitter levels have gotten back to normal and are not being elevated artificially. This would obviously involve ridding yourself of whatever is causing the lower levels in the first place, be it a depleting excess (drugs, masturbation, etc.) or a lack of (negativity, inactivity, etc.) pleasure neurotransmitters.
You could argue that both points of view are correct.
If you accept the science that all thought involves neurotransmitters, then it's entirely possible that negative thinking and feeling can mess with them, causing and then perpetuating a depressed state.
Over time, this could develop into the "bitter and content with their misery" rut, in which the person may be incapable of altering their thoughts on any but the most superficial level - I can say anything I want to myself, but it never changes how I feel.
Drugs, or anything extremely pleasurable performed too often, can deplete the brain of its supply of a given neurotransmitter, specifically the ones dealing with pleasure, which can induce a depressed state that is perpetuated by the addiction, the need for that external source to bring the levels back up.
It could be that taking medication could create a sort of dependency as well, that while the medication could fix things, the effect wouldn't last if you stopped taking them, because it would still be an external source.Originally posted by ER!C L!VE
Mr. Mystery, why are you so passionate about people needing to 'own up' instead of using psychotropic drugs?
He's probably thinking that if a person were to get out of their neurological condition on their own, the effect would essentially be permanent as the neurotransmitter levels have gotten back to normal and are not being elevated artificially. This would obviously involve ridding yourself of whatever is causing the lower levels in the first place, be it a depleting excess (drugs, masturbation, etc.) or a lack of (negativity, inactivity, etc.) pleasure neurotransmitters.
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Like I said, it's possible that medication "forces" your brain to produce neurotransmitters, perhaps even regardless of whether or not you need them. Medication could help break the depression and make it easier to take the natural approach of pleasurable activities, during which you should steadily reduce the dose of medication. Perhaps anti-depressants only work if you're doing stuff that would naturally generate pleasure neurotransmitters, that they wouldn't have much of an effect if you're just lying on the couch feeling sorry for yourself during commercials.
"Drug" drugs will just make the problem worse. The human brain can't handle that much of a high, and certainly not an artificially imposed one; the drug-induced demand for pleasure neurotransmitters will surpass your brain's ability to produce them, eventually depleting its supply and resulting in a severely depressed state. Addiction results as you take more and more and more of the drug to get your neurotransmitters back up to normal, which "trains" your brain to rely on the drug to trigger neutrotransmitter production.
What kind of drugs, though? Medication or crack?Originally posted by ER!C L!VE
Meh. Call me silly. I choose drugs :cheer:
Faster, easier and IMO better means to an end.
Like I said, it's possible that medication "forces" your brain to produce neurotransmitters, perhaps even regardless of whether or not you need them. Medication could help break the depression and make it easier to take the natural approach of pleasurable activities, during which you should steadily reduce the dose of medication. Perhaps anti-depressants only work if you're doing stuff that would naturally generate pleasure neurotransmitters, that they wouldn't have much of an effect if you're just lying on the couch feeling sorry for yourself during commercials.
"Drug" drugs will just make the problem worse. The human brain can't handle that much of a high, and certainly not an artificially imposed one; the drug-induced demand for pleasure neurotransmitters will surpass your brain's ability to produce them, eventually depleting its supply and resulting in a severely depressed state. Addiction results as you take more and more and more of the drug to get your neurotransmitters back up to normal, which "trains" your brain to rely on the drug to trigger neutrotransmitter production.
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It was a Dr. in the seduction community, not a pyschiatrist, lol.Originally posted by spider_007
better yat; what are you doing talking to a doctor, if you don't bolive in it....(you made this thread 3 years ago)
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MedicationOriginally posted by Visceral
Medication or crack?
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Like Visceral said, I think we should be free from any dependancies, and rely only on ourselves.Originally posted by ER!C L!VE
Mr. Mystery, why are you so passionate about people needing to 'own up' instead of using psychotropic drugs?
The reason I originally wrote this post was that I was seeing alot of guys posting talking about, "I can't do this or that, I have a social condition." To that I say, "Man up you pvssy!"
I expected alot of critisism when I wrote this post and I stand by everything I said. I have been there, I was a suicidal pre-teen that cried all the time for no reason. I tried drugs, and while I hated them, I was told by others around me that they helped. While I guess they were helping me, I just didn't feel like myself when taking them, so I stopped, and after a few years of unhappiness, I decided to fight it and I'm a happy camper now.
Everyone is pointing out that I must have been misdiagnosed. I wouldn't know for sure, but diagnosises are pretty much 100% opinion anyway, so who knows. I know that there were very few other children out there as messed up as I was, and I was able to beat this. It can be done, but if you convince yourself its impossible, it surely will be.
It can be beat, but it takes willpower and drive. You gotta want it, and you gotta work for it. But if you believe it can be done, then it can.
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I agree completely.Originally posted by Mr. Mystery II
It can be beat, but it takes willpower and drive. You gotta want it, and you gotta work for it. But if you believe it can be done, then it can.
Unfortunately, these "Man up, pvssy!" types don't have willpower and drive, they're not prepared to work for it, they have such a low opinion of themselves that deep down they might actually think that they don't deserve it, and they certainly don't believe that they can do it.
Who's to say a mentality like this isn't mental illness? It certainly sounds like it to me.
You're right that "Man up, pvssy!" is exactly what these guys need to do, but I don't see how they're going to do it, given how fvcked up they are.