Owen Wilson attempted suicide [Merged Threads]

[Latinoman]

Not just any chick. But one that was DIVORCED with a child...and that right after she got divorced...she hooked up with him...then decided to take a "break"...to then get caught with an idiot KISSING in PUBLIC!

 

[joekerr31]

Not just any chick. But one that was DIVORCED with a child...and that right after she got divorced...she hooked up with him...then decided to take a "break"...to then get caught with an idiot KISSING in PUBLIC!

sh*t so this is a woman thing. man oh man, i hope ben stiller slaps him hard and good and gets his head out of his *ss so that at least when he goes on larry king at some point to explain this he doesn't come off as a big AFC.

 

[dietzcoi]

I think a lot of it is just expectations. He was very sucessful and expected that everything would be wonderful, but it wasn't. He also may have a medical condition.

Just shows that it can happen to anyone. We in our modern society are brought up to believe we can have it all, great education, great career, great family, great hobbies, great health, live to 85, etc...

In truth we are one of the first generations on earth that has not had to experience lots of pain from birth. Yet, when something goes wrong and we do not have everything we expected, we fall into depression.

I wonder what peasants in the 1300's in Europe did when they were depressed? They were lucky to have enough to eat!

I guess the best way to avoid this is to realize that no life will be perfect and expect some disasters instead of expecting everything to be wonderful like they teach in hollywood...

Dietzcoi

 

[Tantric]

Leave your politics at the door, or post your views in Anything Else. Not interested in 'em, not what I'm here for.

View related to discussion...

Actually, we are also not hear to talk about Owen Wilson's suidice attempt...

So, not really interested in your comment either...

 

[DJDamage]

Actually Owen Wilson has had history of depressions and was hooked on heroin and cocaine. It doesn't take a genius to figure that its not a good combination.

 

[DJDamage]

I got a new signature now.

I already mentioned in the other thread that Owen Wilson has had a history of depression and drugs and being an AFC inside and letting some chick walk all over him finally did it.

What people don't get is that sure you can get payed million of dollars and have women practically throw themselevs at you but after a while you get used to it and its no big deal anymore. If you can't find peace and mind internally, you are going to fvck up. I think that its the reason why many women today get pissy in a marriage, they build up their whole life to have a big wedding and think that being married is like a fantasy book "happily ever after" while their entire life is filled with depression and attitude from not having it yet. But after a few years or even months of married life they just get used to it and its back to being depressed and wanting more.

 

[ValleyDJing]

Jesus, If I could pass out gold stars you'd get two!

That buttonnosed pr1ck only wants the world to feel sorry for him. I almost killed myself after sitting through that piece of sh1t, You me and Dupree.

hahahahaha!

 

[ValleyDJing]

or maybe God.

No, actually, in this case I can't.

 

[blueguy]

I think a lot of it is just expectations. He was very sucessful and expected that everything would be wonderful, but it wasn't.

Correct.

Hapiness is a default state, and science proves it. It is only when the reptilian brain or instinctual fear/survival takes over that the cerebral cortex's default state of happiness and appreciation for life is impossible. The problem nowadays or anydays is that people place expectations and allow their reptilian brain to process it. Science proves that the reptilian brain overpowers the cerebral cortex since survival is the most important thing to nature. It also shows that it is simply impossible to experience appreciation and fear at the same time. When people tie expectations to fear, they are allowing their reptilian brain to take over and their default state of happiness to be suffocated.

That said, Karma called this as a power card, and I am beginning to think he is right.

 

[WestCoaster]

but seriously, it just goes to show how much life depends on your attitude. sure, the fates screw a lot of people, but even people with everything still fall into the abyss.

Partially correct. Clinical depression is wired into your brain and the circuits are firing towards the area of your brain that triggers sad feelings, i.e. depression.

Most North Americans -- especially Americans -- think it's all about "getting tough" and just overcoming it. In most cases, that's wrong. I've worked a lot and know a few people who are clinically depressed, and quite successful professionally AND have also attempted suicide. It's a scary DISEASE, emphasis on disease. These people are now on the proper meds, which work surprisingly well.

Wilson -- I'll bet anyone -- is clinically depressed and no success, money, fame, women, will change your brain circuitry. It's stunning how many people don't know this despite that it's all over the news. It's like telling someone: "You have cancer? Ah, just get over it."

 

[joekerr31]

Partially correct. Clinical depression is wired into your brain and the circuits are firing towards the area of your brain that triggers sad feelings, i.e. depression.

Most North Americans -- especially Americans -- think it's all about "getting tough" and just overcoming it. In most cases, that's wrong. I've worked a lot and know a few people who are clinically depressed, and quite successful professionally AND have also attempted suicide. It's a scary DISEASE, emphasis on disease. These people are now on the proper meds, which work surprisingly well.

Wilson -- I'll bet anyone -- is clinically depressed and no success, money, fame, women, will change your brain circuitry. It's stunning how many people don't know this despite that it's all over the news. It's like telling someone: "You have cancer? Ah, just get over it."

hold on a second

i agree 100% that depression has a neurochemical basis - after all, our 'mood' comes from various neurochemical interactions in the brain.

but that does not necessarily mean that such neurochemical state occured solely on its own as a result of biological predisposition.

there are A LOT of people who THINK themselves in to depression as a result of things they have gone through, dysfunctional ways of looking at hte world, dysfunctional coping mechanisms, etc.

these peopel are neurochemically depressed, but as a result of years of making themselves that way.

the brain is a tricky thing, its a chicken and the egg scenario. do the chemicals lead to messed up thinking or does messed up thinking mess up the chemical balance.

for A LOT of people i think its the thinkign thats driving the depression. which is why its NO surprise that there are usually events that trigger acts like suicide, such as breaking up with a girlfriend, losing a job, etc.

im not desputing the chemical factor here, but i do believe that how we THINK plays way more of a role than people realize.

now for MAJOR depression (a seperate category under the DSM) i agree, its almost all neurochemical. these people's brain chemistry gets totally messed up and they can't even get out of bed - even though nothing bad is going on in their lives. you see this sometimes with women after child birth, etc.

but id say 80% of people who are depressed (provided they don't have an existing mental illness, like say schizophrenia) can be cured simply by learning how to think differently about life and their problems.

sh*t, how many depressed guys have come on here and after having their eyes opened suddenly saw how stupid it was to be depressed over some AW and bam, the depression was gone.

anyway, this is a debate that could go on forever - its chicken and egg. just felt like tossing my 2 cents in

we are probably both right. some people its chemical, some people its a result of their thinking. for some its probably both.

unfortunately the chemical is not easy to treat. whereas the thinking i think is much easier to treat.

 

[WestCoaster]

hold on a second


but id say 80% of people who are depressed (provided they don't have an existing mental illness, like say schizophrenia) can be cured simply by learning

Where did you get that number? The national institute of health's numbers are drastically different and they're doing research on it.

 

[joekerr31]

Where did you get that number? The national institute of health's numbers are drastically different and they're doing research on it.

i made it up. hence 'i'd say...'

lets not go in to a this authoritative body said this or that.

it will just turn into a masters debate.

 

[WestCoaster]

i made it up. hence 'i'd say...'

lets not go in to a this authoritative body said this or that.

it will just turn into a masters debate.

Agree, it's just that this board for a long time has totally dismissed depression as a disease and something to man-up/tough it out or whatever. The majority of it is chemical imbalances in the brain.

Not you Joekerr, but most people are too lazy to look it up and read something -- a staple in American society, form an opinion without anything to back it up. It's much easier to say "tough it out" than it is to actually go to a library or look it up on the internet and read about it. So much easier to have an uninformed opinion, turn on the idiot box, watch another episode of "Friends" that will rot one's brain and continue to look down on people who are depressed ... only about 99 percent of American society does this.

 

[joekerr31]

Agree, it's just that this board for a long time has totally dismissed depression as a disease and something to man-up/tough it out or whatever. The majority of it is chemical imbalances in the brain.

agreed, its a disease, and the worst part about it is that its a parts psychological part neurochemical - which makes it VERY hard to treat. I've seen studies where they put electrodes into peoples brains and they wake up the next day saying 'OMG, the world seems totally different. colors are brighter, food taste better, etc.' - in those cases its clear the issue was neurochemical.

but the chicken and the egg thing makes it hard to know which to treat.

which is why if you go to psychologist they will try treating the cognitive first. if you try a doc they will try drugs first. if drugs fail peopel try psych, if psych fails then peopel go try drugs.

the drug route is actually tougher in my opinion. it takes most peopel years to find the right dosage and combo of drug that works for them. because they have to take it for like 3 months, and then if it doesnt work, get off it for a while then try a new drug.

whats cool when the depression is a result of how someoen is thinking is that when you fix the thinking peopel can get better in as short as 3 months.

i guess its sort of like being overweight. some people need medication, some are able to correct it through exercise. its a physical problem, but addressed two different ways.

 

[Mr.Positive]

agreed, its a disease, and the worst part about it is that its a parts psychological part neurochemical - which makes it VERY hard to treat. I've seen studies where they put electrodes into peoples brains and they wake up the next day saying 'OMG, the world seems totally different. colors are brighter, food taste better, etc.' - in those cases its clear the issue was neurochemical..

This is an interesting topic. I've wondered if that being human, we all have the potential for depression at some level. We just have different tolerances, or thresholds, to keep it in check.

Perhaps, because life is a lot more complicated in this day and age, depression surfaces more. We definitely have more worries and stress, the list can go on and on about it...and people have different triggers.

We can look at Owen and go WTF? The guy had everything that society preaches that we should want, for happiness, yet he, of all people couldn't handle it?

Yet, take some guy from a 3rd world country who struggles to put food on the table to feed his family, and he's happy. It just doesn't make sense really.

People will self medicate, turn to alcohol, drugs, sex, attention, even exercise to mask what's really going on inside them.

Yet we have all the answers we need, we just need to look deep down to find them. All we can do is focus on what makes us each, as individuals happy. Knowing ourselves is the answer.

 

[joekerr31]

alan watts talks about how in the west we are raised to believe that 'happiness' is always aroudn the corner. and when you get around each corner what you find is a note saying that its actually just around the next corner.

you graduate highschool and think life will be the bomb. but its not.
you get your drivers liscence, same thing.
you can drink, but still you aren't overcome with joy.
get a woman, same thing. get another woman, same thing.
you graduate university, same thing.
you get a job. get married. have kids.
you get the body you want.
you get the clothes you want.

and yet, happiness, lasting happiness, is always just around the NEXT corner.

you get in to a routine, you figure happiness MUST come during retirement. so you save and you work and you save and you work. you finally hit retirement age and you don't want to retire! your life has passed you by and you don't know where you missed the happiness train.

whereas the guy in africa has none of those idiotic delusions. as long as he is surviving hes fine. he's not working towards 'retirement', he'll retire when he dies. his focus on satisfying his urges NOW - women, food, money - he leads a simple life. same goes for many tribal societies.

the depression we see in the west is often the result of a society built on a focus on money as opposed to human needs. toss in our ability to move all over the place like never before and people jsut dont need each other as much - as such we dont value each other - as such we all feel less 'valuable' in the world than we otherwise would compared to tribal societies.

anyway, in 100 years from now people will look back on this era as one of amazing advancements while at the same time one of amazing ignorance.

the dangerous thing with reaching 'the top' is that from up there you can look down and see just what a load of cr*p everyone is buying in to. Dave Chappel walked away from $50 million bucks because he got sick of hollywood.

no amount of success can offset the existential delimmas that go along with being alive in western society today. you have to figure out happiness in spite of the world around you, because its not going to help you find it in anyway.

 

[grinder]

you graduate highschool and think life will be the bomb. but its not.
you get your drivers liscence, same thing.
you can drink, but still you aren't overcome with joy.
get a woman, same thing. get another woman, same thing.
you graduate university, same thing.
you get a job. get married. have kids.
you get the body you want.
you get the clothes you want.

and yet, happiness, lasting happiness, is always just around the NEXT corner.

you get in to a routine, you figure happiness MUST come during retirement. so you save and you work and you save and you work. you finally hit retirement age and you don't want to retire! your life has passed you by and you don't know where you missed the happiness train.

no amount of success can offset the existential delimmas that go along with being alive in western society today. you have to figure out happiness in spite of the world around you, because its not going to help you find it in anyway.

Ah, we have the good old Puritan ethic to thank for this fvcked up mentality. You’re not even supposed to enjoy anything now, and if you do, it’s probably a bad thing. You’re supposed to suffer and sacrifice now and your rewards are in heaven. Sensual pleasure is doubly bad.

An insidious perversion of this thought process is the extension of the idea that since everything is bad that is here and now, then the actual present is bad, so one always strives to escape or avoid it, rushing headlong for some dreamed-of future.

It’s a clever trick, a type of brain washing where the masses are convinced that where they are in time and place is bad, and that if they only do this or that, it will get better in the future.

I have counseled more than a few of my peers who have reached a bewildered state of awareness that: “OH SH*T, THIS IS ALL THERE IS”. No, I’m not disavowing heaven or religion, I’m referring to an awareness that the future that they have lived for is fast evaporating.

Unfortunately some never make the next step in awareness, that THIS IS ALL YOU NEED. It is very hard for the Western mind to accept that everything they could ever want or need, they already have. There is no need to hurry, no need to do anything.

Women are external and you don’t need them, but, because they are so fun, to deny oneself their pleasure is foolish. Here again we see many threads of men who, even with women, are always future-looking. They seek to nail down that LTR and are looking beyond their present with the woman.

The DJ guru’s have stumbled upon some critical “mystical” knowledge, that what you do NOW, immediately with a woman is how you intrigue her. Words, planning, discussing are almost useless with women. They FEEL in the present. Look at the Gunwitch material: you don’t talk about sex, you don’t PLAN for sex, you don’t SCHEDULE sex; you don’t even fantasize about sex, you ooze it from your pores, you vibe it and you make it happen in the now.

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy when we are with women. If we are preoccupied with working an angle, using a method, then we lose the moment with her, we are literally not there with her in the present. If you are not with her you can never take her with you, she cannot join you in your world.

 

[edger]

I'd like to comment on a few things about Depression and get a few facts straight....

With some, yes, depression is the cause of a "chemical imbalance". But when you're depressed about a particular thing(s), obviously a chemical imbalance is not at work here. Those with a chemical imbalance cannot explain why they are depressed. If you ask someone with a chemical imbalance why they are depressed, they wouldn't be able to give you an answer..because there is no concrete reason(life circumstances) why they're depressed, other than the fact that certain chemicals in their brain are making them depressed.

 

[penkitten]

Somewhere, a Black Crowe is laughing.

am i the only one that got this one?