Osama Speach

[Teflon_Mcgee]

I couldn't care less what others think. I didn't say anything about looking like assh0les. I said we'd be assh0les if we left early.

Lastman, the chaos was actually already there in Iraq. Tyranny of Saddam's sort is chaos itself. You don't seem to fully grasp the evil of Saddam's regime; you oughta read Cruelty and Silence by Kanan Makiya.

This is true. My first time in Iraq, I was amazed how many people wanted to join us (Americans) in the fight against Saddam. At least a dozen people a day would walk up to us and offer to join us on the spot. Young and old alike.

The hate for Saddam was universal.

And if you would be amazed at how many people wanted to fight against him youd really be amazed at how many people he killed and tortured.

We would constantly meet families who either had family members who had been killed or tortured by his squads, or were totrured themselves.

I seen guys who's bodies were entirely scalded with cauldrons of boiling water, scarred from being chained and beat, and cripples who couldn't walk because of the damage done in Saddams dungeons.

 

[speakeasy]

just like US invasion of iraq. Ofcourse the US knew Saddam had nuclear weapons, they gave it to him to bomb iran.

Rather than Relying on some dumb as a rock rapper for your worldview why don't you find out for yourself some facts. Saddam never had nuclear weapons, he had a nuclear program. And the seeds of his nuclear program came from France, not the U.S.

as immortal technique states "bin laden didnt blow up the towers, it was you nigga tell the truth nigga, Bush knocked down the towers"

And we all know if immortal technique says something, it MUST be true.

 

[speakeasy]

they have family members getting blown up everyday and probably listen to gunfire when they fall asleep. Some wars are justified like World War II, someone needed to stop the Nazis. But, Iraq war is completely unnecessary...

The problem is most of the deaths aren't coming from US bombs and gunfire, it's coming from Islamists lunatics that want to plunge the country into civil war because of religious sect differences. Yes, I think the war was a complete mistake because you cannot install democracy in a divided Islamic country with no history of democracy, and I know some idiots in here are probably thinking I'm pro-Bush or some sh*t when I think Bush has been a failure on everthing he's touch.

Sure, we never should have been there, but we are there now like it or not, and need to figure out how to handle the situation in the most pragmatic way possible. It's not like a complete pullout right now is going to stop the deaths and make anything easier for Iraq. It will mean their fragile government will destroyed and all 3 religious sects would start killing each other in the streets. I know we need to get out of there eventually, but no one can claim that we need to leave in order to stop the bloodshed, because if we 100% pullout, then you ain't seen nothing yet as far as bloodshed.

 

[speakeasy]

Ya and people wonder why the number of "terrorists" aren't going down. Most of the citizens are joining the "terrorists" because they're fighting for freedom from the "invaders" aka US.

First off, most people the terrorists are killing are FELLOW Iraqis. Can we get this straight? When we hear on the news that a carbomb went off and killed 50 people, it is usually in some marketplace or mosque where there is a rival religious sect. This is one thing that irritates the hell out of me with liberals often is they see everything from the perspective of big strong imperialist vs. 3rd world underdog when it's more complex than that(they do the same with Israel). These people doing the bombings aren't looking for "freedom", they are looking for domination of the future Iraq with the destruction of religious rivals. These feelings have always been there, but were suppressed because Saddam had no qualm about torturing their children right in front of them if they acted out.

And why do you put the word "terrorists" in quotes? As if it is somehow relative what the word means. I'd say a Sunni driving up to a shiite mosque with a carload of bombs and detonating it as the crowd is walking out killing and wounding 100 people certainly makes you a terrorist.

 

[speakeasy]

So if by your logic, the Egyptians and Saudis were responsble for the attacks, shouldnt Saudi Arabia and Egypt be held accountable as well as Bin Laden? Isnt Saudi Arabia and Egypt the source of extremist Wahabbi Islam? Why are they our allies then?

I'm not following your logic here. Unless the attacks were done with the aid of the Egyptian and Saudi government, why would we attack them? A country's government cannot be held liable for what every crazed group of wackos does. If there was a terrorist attack plotted by 18 radicalized Christians of American background, does that mean the U.S. government was behind it?

Iraq and Iran had nothing to do with 9/11. Why are we confronting them?

I don't support the invastion of Iraq or Iran, I think you're confusing my position.

The Latin American countries that we meddled in are too busy making money smuggling drugs, violence, and possibly terrorists through our borders that the federal government refuses to secure.

Oh really? That's quite some generalizing there. That might be true for Columbia, but certainly NOT true for Chile.

So tell me this, why are you so concerned with what goes on within the borders of half around the globe foreign countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 when your own government fails to hold the real masterminds accountable and wont even secure our own borders?!?!

What do you define as "concerned"?

Meh...I said I'd never get involved in these political threads on a DJ forum, and here I go.

 

[Charm&Style]

Rather than Relying on some dumb as a rock rapper for your worldview why don't you find out for yourself some facts. Saddam never had nuclear weapons, he had a nuclear program. And the seeds of his nuclear program came from France, not the U.S.



And we all know if immortal technique says something, it MUST be true.

lol i was trying to see how many immortal fans we have, secondly saddam didnt have uranium enriched weapons, but he did have chemical weapons (which was what i meant) which he used to bombard on the south of iran, city name: Dezfool, Abadan, Shooshtar, Ahwaz, and 2 others.

 

[Charm&Style]

Too many American politicians have treasonously betrayed the American people by blindly supporting the leading terrorist nation on earth: Israel.

 

[Last Man Standing]

Too many American politicians have treasonously betrayed the American people by blindly supporting the leading terrorist nation on earth: Israel.

I knew somebody was eventually going to get to crux of the matter!

Saddam was put in power by the USA - so all chaos he did we are responsible for. We gave him billions and supplied him with high tech and weapons to go against Iran!

All information that you get about these rulers and countries is provided to us by those who control the mass media, which is extremely untrustworthy - most people in America know the mass media is a purveyor of lies - they are not reading/listening anymore! They want to change the internet because the truth is coming out - Internet2 - it will be a controlled medium soon - when we have martial law!!

Obsidian, Speakeasy, a true American is one who supports our constitution and NOT one who favors a political party or a man!!! Love your country and not an individual!

Fir truth, listen to the Alex Jones show @ infowars.com http://www.infowars.com/

 

[Teflon_Mcgee]

land of the free indeed... I wonder what percentage of the returning soldiers and 'independent contractors' will be given the health care they require.

Returning Soldiers? All of them. The problems you see on the news are greatly exaggerated. Of course people do slip throgh the cracks and there is alot of beauracracy. But soldiers do get treatment and they get good treatment for the mostpart.

Returning contractors? Well, I don't have any first hand knowledge, but is it our responsibility? These guys go over for one thing. MONEY!

You know a trucker can make $100 grand tax free per year over there?
Or a security contractor can pull in $12,000 per month(with the first $100,000being tax free)? These guys go to make money. They know the risks and they are well compansated.

 

[triumvirate]

Seeing is believing

An Article that I found on a reputable website from about 8 years ago.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

What do you guys think of this, in light of the new tape?

 

[Gangster Of Love]

what drives osama is the same thing that drives bush. its also the same thing that drives a lot of women to behave stupidly, as well as a lot of men.

its the root of greed, lust, envy, jealousy, etc.

its what causes the guy to beat his wife, what causes the wife to cheat, etc.

and that thing is EGO.

people really get carried away with their ego in this world. they latch on to silly egotistical ideas and then act on them.

osama doesn't really believe what hes doing is in the name of allah.
bush doesnt really believe hes bringing freedom to the world
the cheating wife doesnt really believe shes innocent.
the abusive husband doesnt really believe hes justified.

these are all things they use as excuses to excuse their endulgance in EGO driven behaviors.

But Bush does believe he is doing good. He really does know that we are the good guys and they are bad. He's not in it for the money. We are not in it for the sake of the corporations that put him in office. Oil companies have nothing to do with it. Penis Cheney's (his first name gets censored here)financial interests have little to do with destroying Iraq and rebuilding it by rewarding non-bid contracts to certain companies. They attacked us first, after all. They are the bad guys, in it for the money and because they hate everything we stand for.

Disclaimer: for the naive, sarcasm factor very high at this point.

 

[Holland]

what drives osama is the same thing that drives bush. its also the same thing that drives a lot of women to behave stupidly, as well as a lot of men.

its the root of greed, lust, envy, jealousy, etc.

its what causes the guy to beat his wife, what causes the wife to cheat, etc.

and that thing is EGO.

people really get carried away with their ego in this world. they latch on to silly egotistical ideas and then act on them.

osama doesn't really believe what hes doing is in the name of allah.
bush doesnt really believe hes bringing freedom to the world
the cheating wife doesnt really believe shes innocent.
the abusive husband doesnt really believe hes justified.

these are all things they use as excuses to excuse their endulgance in EGO driven behaviors.

WORD!

 

[Stuntmann]

WERD!


It's 28 vs 23 right now. USA is EVIL.

 

[Obsidian]

Lastman, the Constitution gives Congress the authority to declare war. There are no constitutional issues here; there is only foreign policy debate.

I have no special love for President Bush, considering his horrible stance on illegal immigration and his toleration of socialist programs and government waste. I support Israel because they are a democracy and because we have an alliance with them. And the Palestinians are led by irrational, socialist-leaning extremists.

 

[BlackJackal]

Aargh Im gonna shoot myself if one more person says the United States is a democracy.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

The United States of America is a Constitutional Republic! The Founding Fathers would be rolling in their graves with all this "democracy" babble!

Democracy=rule of the majority=mob rule. The Founding Fathers were very afraid of mob rule, worried that it would oppress the minority. Thus they drafted the Constitution along with the Bill of Rights to ensure that the Federal Government, the State and Local Governments, and the People checked and balanced each other.

Nowhere does the Constitution give the Federal Government the power to nation build.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people." -Tenth Amendment

Now that the history lesson is over...on to Osama Bin Laden

THEY DO NOT HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS! Why do you guys keep chanting this! If they hated us for our freedoms then why have they not attacked Switzerland or Sweden, also FREE countries???

If any of you read Osama Bin Laden's fatwa against the United States. One of the reasons stated was continued American meddling in Middle Eastern affairs.

You guys need to put yourselves in their shoes for once. How would you feel if the Chinese started bombing and attacking your cities and then decided to occupy your lands in the name of Communism or whatever. The Chinese insist that they are only making the world safe for communism and that the American people are liberated. Meanwhile, Chinese soldiers raid your house and patrol your streets.

All of you would be rushing to find the nearest gun shop to get them out! So why expect any less from the Iraqis or Arabs in the region to not be angry at the worlds superpower disregarding their sovereignty??


And I know all of you are probably foaming at the mouth for more war (Iran??), but the fact is pre-emptive war, especially this war, creates more enemies than it does destroy them. To add on top of that we are going to war on borrowed money, basically mortgaged the United States to China and Japan.

When all you guys are gone, your grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be born debt slaves of the government, thanks to your blind support of a government that only cares to fill its own pockets with the support of military-industrial complex. Way to screw your future generations over huh?

We need to stop this unconstitutional policing the world and defend our borders and reform our government so its FOR the PEOPLE, not the POWERFUL!


I will be anticipating a typical neocon response to my post... but don't i have done all the rebutting for you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSk4SUpWVuY


For those seeking the solution:

Ron Paul: Stop Dreaming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

Ron Paul: When in the Course of Human Events...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ

QFT. I remember being told that bolded statement as a kid, and even then I just never bought it. It a generic copt out just made to stroke our egos.

 

[speakeasy]

29 vs. 25 in favor of the United States being more evil than Osama bin motherfuсking LADEN? Disgraceful. You people really should make a stand and get out of this evil country. Go live up in Pakistan with Osama if he's such a great guy. Grow your fuсking beard, and start blowing up women and children in the name of Allah if the United States is so evil. You're all fuсking hypocrites, and you make me absolutely sick to my stomach.

The United States is more evil than OSAMA BIN LADEN? Then get out. GET OUT of my country. You are not wanted here. And to think that I may have been actually taking advice from some of you on other threads...

Yeah I agree. If these people actually sat down and though about what they said I don't know how they could come to that conclusion. All you need to do is look at the type of country we've produced and look at the type of country the Bin Ladin mindset has produced(like Afghanistan under the Taliban) and what argument do you really need to make? A country where people can say whatever they want in public vs one where you can be beaten down in the street by religious police for not having a beard or for listening to an evil thing called music. Yet alone for any religious violations like women not being fully veiled and someone being gay. Yet we are more evil than radical Moslems. These people are on crack, seriously.

What surprises me is I didn't think there'd be so many lefties on a DJ forum since liberalism and DJism seems to be contradictory.

 

[Obsidian]

I'd put around 90% of AFCs into the leftist category, due to sharing a number of the same traits including a feminized view of life, a sense of "entitlement", and bringing unearned power to the meek and feeble.

or how about the so-called "alphas" on this board who adhere to extreme pacifist ideals? You've got a bunch of "strong men" rejecting the notion of ever utilizing physical force...I mean, come on.

I definitely wouldn't say AFCs have to be liberal. Religious upbringing has been corrupted to the point where most conservative Christians are completely clueless about the opposite sex. Hence my problems.

But yeah, I think DJism and socialism are logically antagonistic.

 

[Last Man Standing]

These wars were planned over a decade ago by Project for a New American Century (PNAC) - google it. Anti-American Right wing conservatives

The patriot act and other unconstitutional laws were introduced in the 1990's - no congressman read it before they voted on it!! Same right wing conservatives introduced it

Our sovereignty is being taken away and we will be united with Mexico and Canada - the "North American Union" (Google it) introduced by the same treasonous right wing conservatives.

These right wing anti-american conservatives hate America and want a Fascist state!

We don't know what osama says or believes because the treasonous media tells us what these fascists want us to believe - same right wing fascists own the media ---- but we do know osama and his family and the kings of Saudi Arabia are cia assets since the 1970's!!

We are in Iraq and the entire arab world to have a permanent military base - permanent - for a never-ending war!

Our currency is being purposely devalued to bring in a regional North American Union currency by the same right wing treasonous conservatives!!

I could write a thousand points on how these fake deceiving conservatives are anti- american who should be charged with treason!

The democrats are no better - the destruction of america is taking place, by the enemy within! Our founding fathers warned us of this and what they feared the most is now in place - an unrestrained executive branch - Dictatorship is here!!!

These same people did 911 as a pretest to get away with all that has happened since!!

And who controls our congress and our executive branch, the civilian pentagon, the media. our communication systems, the "Neocons", and PNAC? Who is in control? AiPAC!!!!! American ISRAEL Public Affairs Committee! AIPAC = Israeli Spy Agency! Many books are written about this!! Google it!!

Don't believe the hype or the lies - you are being deceived!! Watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inyCkCvqRO0&v3

 

[Desdinova]

Hey! A nice Political thread to close!