Oneitis and the DJ

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One of the problems that seems to be worsened by DJ guides just about as much as its helped is the whole idea of oneitis. I'm sure everyone can relate to "that one woman" that you met that you just really had to have for whatever reason, you execute your moves/get to know her, and you're just not able to advance it past a certain point. But instead of a cold rejection, one gets something more lukewarm, put-off, or your advances aren't totally prevented, but they also aren't getting anywhere either. With a DJ mindset, one realizes that probably the reason that the advances are being allowed is because its providing her attention, and what woman doesnt like well-executed attention?

Anyway, my question is, do any of you ever had the problem of thinking "hey, I'm good looking enough, and i know enough of this dj stuff that i can pull off the impossible; if i keep trying i can find that way to get the attraction i'm looking for". Point being, you've reached the point where you really believe you are the prize therefore you're thinking my only job is convincing her of something that's obvious to you? And its not like you cant keep trying while spinning other plates. Its possible to still be considering other options, but sometimes still its hard to let go if you really want one in particular.

So it seems to me that oneitis can be a problem for the really gifted, or the person that's not accustomed to failing. I know that I personally hate to fail at just about anything, so if its something i really want, i'd find it very hard to admit that I just cant win sometime. I'd feel like giving up is a form of failure.

Can anyone relate?

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azanon,

There is a difference between being an AFC stubbornly pursuing a girl and being a DJ that is PERSISTENT. However, a wise DJ will not pursue a girl that is not worth pursuing nor will a DJ pursue a girl past a certain point. If it is painfully clear the girl is not into the dude, I think even the most persistent DJ will know when to walk away.

Also - I know what you mean about hating to fail at something. I like to make things work and I like to end things on my terms. I've gotten over it to an extent, but I agree that giving up does seem like a form of failure. I am one of those "I always win" types too. I don't think this is a bad thing as long as you know when to stop.

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Oneitis means you want to fukk girl, girl sees you as friends, you think you can get girl to want to fukk you by being persistant/being Mr. Niceguy. Ain't going to happen!

I know what oneitis is all about. I had a terrible case of oneitis that left me depressed for almost a whole year. I was pining for this girl, this "friend" thinking just maybe she will change. It didn't. It was worse because, I was 25 and still a virgin, so I had that pressure as well, and I wanted my first time to be with my oneitis girl. :(

Sad thing is, oneitis was a terrible disease that led me to drink. Finally, I had enough of this crap and called up a local escort agency and got a gal to come over. She did the whole GFE (Girlfriend experience), with kissing and cuddling. After that night, oneitis was cured! Unfortunately, I've spent more cash this year than I am accustomed to. haha!
 

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any of you ever had the problem of thinking "hey, I'm good looking enough, and i know enough of this dj stuff that i can pull off the impossible
Nope, your describing a lack of self esteem, a true man is confident enough to know and admit to himself that "there just isn't any chemistry."

Point being, you've reached the point where you really believe you are the prize
what your saying is...You really AREN'T a true prize, but you've begun acting like a woman and convinced yourself that you do have some kind of worth....not very manly like at all

you're thinking my only job is convincing her of something that's obvious to you
No your job is NOT to convince anybody about anything...what kind of a man wh0res his dignity to impress people ?

Its possible to still be considering other options, but sometimes still its hard to let go if you really want one in particular.
how cute...and so dramatic.

So it seems to me that oneitis can be a problem for the really gifted
falling in love (with the wrong person ) is a problem for anyone thats a human being.

the person that's not accustomed to failing
IMPOSSIBLE !! the only way to succeed is through failure, unless your a leprechaun.

You gave a very good description of an arrogant person that has self esteem issues aka the attention wh0re
Oneitis means you want to fukk girl
hahaha no, what your describing is lust.."oneitis" is a genuine desire to have someone be a part of your life, physically, mentally and emotionally.

girl sees you as friends, you think you can get girl to want to fukk you by being persistant/being Mr. Niceguy. Ain't going to happen!
O RLY ?

I had enough of this crap and called up a local escort agency and got a gal to come over. She did the whole GFE (Girlfriend experience), with kissing and cuddling. After that night, oneitis was cured! Unfortunately, I've spent more cash this year than I am accustomed to. haha!
congratulations on getting over your un-healthy lust ?? however you've traded one bad deed for another...so you took 1 step forward and one step back, plus you've carelessly thrown away your money for false affection..anyone who indulges themselves with escorts/prostitutes has an EXTREMELY UN-STABLE mind frame (much like an abused girl who sleeps with ANY and ALL men not for the pleasure of sex, but for the hope that sex will make a man love her), seek counseling for your own well being !!!
 

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Drum&Bass said:
Nope, your describing a lack of self esteem, a true man is confident enough to know and admit to himself that "there just isn't any chemistry."
Dubbing yourself "a man" to sugarcoat the fact that you have a pattern of just giving up to solve your problems doesn't really impress me. Anyone can do that.

what your saying is...You really AREN'T a true prize, but you've begun acting like a woman and convinced yourself that you do have some kind of worth....not very manly like at all
Both you and her can say i'm not a true prize, but that wont make it so. I have plenty of worth, in just about every area of categorization.

No your job is NOT to convince anybody about anything...what kind of a man wh0res his dignity to impress people ?
What kind of person obsesses with what other people think? On a priority of scale, what I want comes above what you or someone else thinks of me. Honestly? I dont give a s*** what you ultimately think of me.

IMPOSSIBLE !! the only way to succeed is through failure, unless your a leprechaun.
Not all cliche's are true all the time. Just because a statement has a nice ring to it, doesnt automatically make it true, nor does it make you look witty.

You gave a very good description of an arrogant person that has self esteem issues aka the attention wh0re
One of the more common confusions ive noticed is that between arrogance and confidence. Arrogance is an overestimation of one's worth. Just because you or some girl I like may underestimate me, doesnt change my true worth.
 

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The Oneitis Misconception and the Fatal Mistake

ONEITIS

Being a DJ is not necessary the equivalent of being promiscuous (although a lot of DJs are also promiscuous). Some men that have their stuff together are monogamous too. So might even be the type that rather be alone or do not prefer to have sex at all (some Priests are example). A DJ is a man with full control over his life as well as some control over his surroundings.

Oneitis is more than acceptable if that oneitis is given to either a

1- wife
2- fiancé
3- live-in (and fully committed) partner
4- long term (and fully committed) girlfriend

The reason is simple, the wife and fiancé are expected to be committed to us (and DJs have a great sense on picking the correct wife or future wife). You will also notice that #3 and #4 have the “fully committed” inserted. So, if a DJ wants to have “oneitis” under these circumstances, that’s more than acceptable.


Chemical Reaction

That being said,

I will touch on the other issue that I find very disturbing when I read many of the threads posted in sosuave.net (especially in the General Forum). This is the approaching and seduction of a woman when said woman has either shown little or no interest for this man, which on itself might not be a bad thing...however, can become a huge mistake when these men develop “oneitis” for these type of women. Now, I'm not saying that there exceptions to the rule as there might be some. But, personally...I don't risk it (unless the person pass tests for over a long period of time) as I know that things could go from huge mistake into a "fatal mistake" once children and marriage becomes part of the equation.

The problem with this (and please everybody pay attention as this is VERY IMPORTANT) is that if you manage (big if, as there is also a strong possibility you wasted your time and invested too much emotionally with this 'oneitis') to eventually get her involved with you and eventually you both get into a relationship; she will always have the power over you.

Power over me? Yes. The reason is because she did not originally experience that "chemical" reaction that some women experience when they first see this man in the bus station or the library or the train station or in her classroom. When a woman feels that strong chemical reaction AND both the man and woman get involved in a relationship that let’s say lasts over one year…and this man manages to apply DJ skills to keep this woman interested and at the same time he is fair (a DJ quality on itself), you can rest assure that this woman will be in a Blitz State with you, even years after being together…unless you truly mess it up or stop behaving un-DJish ways (e.g. being abusive or AFC or even neglect her). Or unless you pick a "low quality" woman as defined as a woman with high likelihood of behaving or degressing into some type of behavior that is deemed disrespectful for the DJ (such as cheating, adultery, and some kind of adictions such as credit cards or drugs or alcohol, etc.).

But a woman that did not exhibit this strong “chemical” reaction when she started to see that man (and I’m talking about SEEING the man in the sense of watching/observing him PRIOR to any interaction), is a woman that the likelihood of eventually “wandering around” or “looking around” at other men is going to be exponentially greater.

Is Strong Chemical reaction = to silver bullet? Nope…

Now, strong chemical reaction is not enough. DJ and other masculine qualities most be present in the long term as well as you being the real deal too (that’s why some PUAs might manage to get the “strong chemical” reaction from a woman, but cannot sustain that woman for a very long time).
 

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mr_elor said:
There is a difference between failure and putting your ego aside. It takes a lot to genuinely say to yourself - and mean it - "okay look, I'm a decent guy but this girl just isn't into me. Nothing personal or bad on my part, it just ain't gonna happen".

Failure's arbitrary anyway.
The only failure there is the INABILITY of the man to see that his time is more valuable as to be wasting it trying to get the attention of a woman that does not value him at all or values him very little.

I only approach women that show interest for me. As I view those women as the type that are observant and intelligent enough as to identify a "Prize" when they first see it. If I'm interested in a woman (and she has not noticed me yet), I give her the benefit of the doubt by positioning myself in such a fashion that allows her to see more of my Prize qualities. But I do that for a very short time period. If she is still blind, then it is not worth of my time.
 

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We fling around terms like AFC, PUA, Neg Hits, C&F, etc. like so much hash in our little restaurant, all having a basic understanding of what really amount to some very subjective ideas. The term AFC is one these esoteric ideas that we've given a name to. We all know exactly what an Average Frustrated Chump is, because we've experienced being one at one time; we only needed a convenient name for that condition. We know what the associated behaviors and mindsets are that make a person an AFC, but the conditions are subject to interpretation which makes it difficult to describe to AFCs who don't know they are.

Likewise I think ONEitis is a term similar to AFC and means different things to different people. I think there's been a mischaracterization of ONEitis. While I do understand the protector/provider dynamic and I fully agree with it in the context of a healthy, mature, committed relationship, I think it's necessary to differentiate between a healthy relationship based on mutual respect and a lopsided ONEitis based relationship. In my estimation ONEitis is an unhealthy psychological dependency that is the direct result of the continuous socialization of the soulmate myth in pop culture. This western romanticized mythology is based on the premise that there is only ONE perfect mate for any single individual and as much as a lifetime can and should be spent in constant search of this 'soulmate.' So strong and so pervasive is this myth in our collective society that it has become akin to a religious statement and in fact has been integrated into many religious doctrines as feminization of western culture has spread.

Although there's undoubtedIy a a strong psychological element involved, I come to the conclusion that ONEitis is based in sociological roots, not only due to it being a statement of personal belief, but by the degree to which this ideology is disseminated and marketed in popular culture in media, music, literature, movies, etc. Dating services like eHarmony shamelessly marketeer and exploit exactly the insecurities that ONEitis engenders in people desperately searching for the ONE they were intended for.

The idea that men possess a natural capacity for protection provision and monogamy has merit from both a social and bio-psychological standpoint, but I think that ONEitis is not a byproduct of it. Rather, I would set it apart from this healthy protector/provider dynamic since ONEitis essentially sabotages what our natural propensities would otherwise filter. ONEitis is insecurity run amok while a person is single, and potentially paralyzing when coupled with the object of that ONEitis in an LTR, and still more damaging in a ONEitis marriage. The same neurotic desperation that drives a person to settle for their ONE, whether healthy or unhealthy, is the same insecurity that paralyzes them from leaving a damaging relationship - This is their ONE and how could they ever live without them? Or they're my ONE, but all I need is to fix myself or them to have my idealized relationship. And this idealization of a relationship is at the root of ONEitis.

With such a limiting, all-or-nothing binary approach to searching for ONE needle in the haystack over the course of a lifetime, how do we mature into a healthy understanding of what that relationship really entails? The very pollyannish idealized relationship - the "happily ever after" - that belief in a ONE promotes as an ultimate end, is thwarted and contradicted by the costs of the constant pursuit of the ONE for which they'll settle for. After the better part of a lifetime invested in this ideology, how much more difficult will it be to come to the realization that the person they're with isn't their ONE? To what extents wil a person go to in order to protect a lifetime of this ego investment?

The other problem I have with the present definition of ONEITIS is that it completely ignores the Cardinal Rule of Relationships:

In any relationship, whether romantic, business or familial, the person with the most power is the one who needs the other the least.

At some point in a ONEitis relationship one participant will establish dominance based on the powerlessness that this ONEitis necessitates. There is no greater agency for a woman than to unquestioningly know that she is the only source of a man's need for sex and intimacy. ONEitis only cements this into the understanding of both parties. For a man who believes that the emotionally and psychologically damaging relationship he has ego-invested himself to believe is with the only person in his lifetime he's ever going to be compatable with, there is nothing more paralyzing. The same of course holds true for women and this is why we shake our heads when the beautiful HB 9 goes chasing back to her abusive and indifferent Jerk boyfriend/husband, because she believes he is her ONE and the only source of security available to her. The definition of power is not financial success, status or influence over others, but the degree to which we have control over our own lives. Subscribing to the soulmate mythology necessitates that we recognize powerlessness in this arena of our lives. Better I think it would be to foster an understanding that there is no ONE. There are some good Ones and there are some bad Ones, but there is no ONE.

For far too long, women have ego-invested themselves, and now men as well, in this mythology as a means to counter what at times I'm sure seems a hopless quest of an idealized relationship. It's much easier to believe that there's someone "out there" specially made to be with you than to constatly face the fear of rejection. To those who believe this, saying that there is no ONE is like saying there is no God; it is perceived as iconoclastic and hopelessly nihilistic, but it doesn't have to be. I've been married for almost 11 years now and I definitely feel protective of my wife and daughter. I wont deny that I have an impulse to be the provider and counselor of my home, but I know damn well that as much as I love my wife and we are a 'good fit' that were she to die or leave for some reason that I could find another 'good fit'. I don't have a ONEitis insecure relationship with my wife and in fact I'd say that if I were to adopt this ideology nothing would drive her respect for my down more.

In the absence of power the other person will assume the dominante role. For proven biological and psychological evidence, women want a man to be that positive, masculine protector, the decision maker, the authority due to an overwhelming need for long term security. If a woman perceives that a man's ability to provide this security is in doubt, she will step into the vaccuum left that he is unable or unwilling to assume. This is why you see the predominance of women as the 'head of household" these days; the husband can't be trusted to provide this security so she will grab the stearing wheel from him and drive the family when she thinks he wont. ONEitis is the single greatest contributor to this male sense of powerlessness. By it's very nature ONEitis is disempowering because it removes (or severely lessens) from a person control of their own lives.
 

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Latinoman said:
The problem with this (and please everybody pay attention as this is VERY IMPORTANT) is that if you manage (big if, as there is also a strong possibility you wasted your time and invested too much emotionally with this 'oneitis') to eventually get her involved with you and eventually you both get into a relationship; she will always have the power over you.
It really is too bad that your "very important" point is so wrong, especially given your excellent writing skills.

The whole "getting the attention of some girl that isnt initially feeling it", at least for me, is the equilivant of trying to walk her over towards a huge ass bear trap, the bear trap being me. If the specifc circumstances aren't even giving you a valid chance to show your worth, meaning she wont even walk over to it, then how can she make a fair assessment of that trap's power. I like that anagony because it emphasizes just how much the trap setter knows its true power, and just how much the unknowing game animal doesn't.

So, i think there's a difference between a girl knowing the full you, and still rejecting, and one that really just doesn't have enough to go on, but makes a hasty decision, and said girl maybe just needs a bit more coaxing.

WB btw? Thought you were leaving.
 

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Oneitis is ok at points, and you are right that it can happen when you are not used to failure, or at least you can tell yourself that.

Unless you are at a certain point with a woman you should still be pursuing other women. EVEN and I may stress ESPECIALLY if you are "really into this one girl". If you get premature oneitis over a girl you will just be making things more difficult for yourself. The best way to get over premature oneitis is to act as if you don't have it.

Most of my relationships have started with a pattern.
I pursue, get turned away, I walk away and don't pursue for a while. While I am not pursuing, she comes back to my world and lets me know she wants to join it.

Latinoman: As for only approaching women that first show interest in me. How exactly do you want a woman to show interest in you? For me that is so ambiguous. I rarely have women coming up to me to brazenly hit on me. Rather I see that a particular woman might act a bit shy around me. Or maybe she gets excited to see me. Would you consider this a woman showing interest.

I actually don't agree with your attitude here. I think that as men we should feel empowered by the fact that we can create attraction in a woman. I don't worry if a woman is interested in me or not, If I get interested in a woman I truly believe that I can create feelings of attraction in her.
 

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azanon said:
It really is too bad that your "very important" point is so wrong, especially given your excellent writing skills.

The whole "getting the attention of some girl that isnt initially feeling it", at least for me, is the equilivant of trying to walk her over towards a huge ass bear trap, the bear trap being me. If the specifc circumstances aren't even giving you a valid chance to show your worth, meaning she wont even walk over to it, then how can she make a fair assessment of that trap's power. I like that anagony because it emphasizes just how much the trap setter knows its true power, and just how much the unknowing game animal doesn't.

So, i think there's a difference between a girl knowing the full you, and still rejecting, and one that really just doesn't have enough to go on, but makes a hasty decision, and said girl maybe just needs a bit more coaxing.

WB btw? Thought you were leaving.
I am not fully back, but thanks. I have some time to kill as my new office is getting put together and I have a computer in somebody else office (which was my old one). I just don't have a sense on how busy I will get here.

To answer your question...I wrote this thread under the assumption that you are already doing the minor leg work as making yourself noticed by the woman. Also, under the context of ONEITIS (if you have several plates spinning, then it is not oneitis and you can do all the cold approaches that you want...but if you are into the "The girl is hot and I MUST have it" mind frame...then that's when things can get complicated).

Doing the minor leg work? That should not take a lot of EMOTIONAL effort to accomplish. You simply make yourself visible...as frequently as possible (e.g. if you take the same bus...then 3 or 4 days a week), so she can feel comfortable. Also, it gives her a chance to see how you dress, or how you behave or your mannerisms, etc. Kind of peacoating but in a MASCULINE way. Later, send a smile...if she responds...then you make your move.

But if after doing that minor leg work...still no response...then why bother getting involved in such a fashion that becomes a ONEITIS?
 

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Likewise I think ONEitis is a term similar to AFC and means different things to different people. I think there's been a mischaracterization of ONEitis. While I do understand the protector/provider dynamic and I fully agree with it in the context of a healthy, mature, committed relationship, I think it's necessary to differentiate between a healthy relationship based on mutual respect and a lopsided ONEitis based relationship. In my estimation ONEitis is an unhealthy psychological dependency that is the direct result of the continuous socialization of the soulmate myth in pop culture. This western romanticized mythology is based on the premise that there is only ONE perfect mate for any single individual and as much as a lifetime can and should be spent in constant search of this 'soulmate.' So strong and so pervasive is this myth in our collective society that it has become akin to a religious statement and in fact has been integrated into many religious doctrines as feminization of western culture has spread.
Excellent post RT and I agree 100% with your quote above. Personally, I started picking some of the terminologies when I started posting in here and try to use them as a way to send a message in a language that can be understood. In my original post, I used Oneitis more from the context as I have sense some other posters mentioning...more of "committing 100% to one woman" within the context of protector/provider dynamic you mentioned in the quote.

Any unhealthy relationship (even in marriage) is one that should be avoid or terminate by any means.

Once again, thanks for add your comments to the thread as they always very insightful.
 

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If we go by the definition as provided by Rollo Tomassi in the other thread I created ( http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=120114 ), the Oneitis is not a good thing.

See Rollo Tomassi's quote below:

We fling around terms like AFC, PUA, Neg Hits, C&F, etc. like so much hash in our little restaurant, all having a basic understanding of what really amount to some very subjective ideas. The term AFC is one these esoteric ideas that we've given a name to. We all know exactly what an Average Frustrated Chump is, because we've experienced being one at one time; we only needed a convenient name for that condition. We know what the associated behaviors and mindsets are that make a person an AFC, but the conditions are subject to interpretation which makes it difficult to describe to AFCs who don't know they are.

Likewise I think ONEitis is a term similar to AFC and means different things to different people. I think there's been a mischaracterization of ONEitis. While I do understand the protector/provider dynamic and I fully agree with it in the context of a healthy, mature, committed relationship, I think it's necessary to differentiate between a healthy relationship based on mutual respect and a lopsided ONEitis based relationship. In my estimation ONEitis is an unhealthy psychological dependency that is the direct result of the continuous socialization of the soulmate myth in pop culture. This western romanticized mythology is based on the premise that there is only ONE perfect mate for any single individual and as much as a lifetime can and should be spent in constant search of this 'soulmate.' So strong and so pervasive is this myth in our collective society that it has become akin to a religious statement and in fact has been integrated into many religious doctrines as feminization of western culture has spread.
 

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Latinoman said:
To answer your question...I wrote this thread under the assumption that you are already doing the minor leg work as making yourself noticed by the woman. Also, under the context of ONEITIS (if you have several plates spinning, then it is not oneitis and you can do all the cold approaches that you want...but if you are into the "The girl is hot and I MUST have it" mind frame...then that's when things can get complicated).

Doing the minor leg work? That should not take a lot of EMOTIONAL effort to accomplish. You simply make yourself visible...as frequently as possible (e.g. if you take the same bus...then 3 or 4 days a week), so she can feel comfortable. Also, it gives her a chance to see how you dress, or how you behave or your mannerisms, etc. Kind of peacoating but in a MASCULINE way. Later, send a smile...if she responds...then you make your move.
OK well this isn't a typical situation. Probably what you wrote applies in situations where its not long distance to start off and you're gaming a girl in person.... I'm talking about LD barries such as myspace, or maybe where you've met her in the past (in person), but are trying to arrange a meeting in the future but its been years so you're trying to establish a base with minimal ability to show your value... stuff like that.
 

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azanon said:
OK well this isn't a typical situation. Probably what you wrote applies in situations where its not long distance to start off and you're gaming a girl in person.... I'm talking about LD barries such as myspace, or maybe where you've met her in the past (in person), but are trying to arrange a meeting in the future but its been years so you're trying to establish a base with minimal ability to show your value... stuff like that.
I cannot give advice on MySpace or other Internet issues when it comes to this particular topic. Because if I was dealing with those kind of women, my first goal would be to isolate them from the Cyber World back into my realm (real life).
 

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Rollo,

Your post really struck me. It's scary but even as I consider myself a DJ in training, I thought about what you said and you're right, we're indoctrinated into this soulmate belief system.

Even I think to myself, I want to meet the "perfect" girl. I don't call it a soulmate and I truly believe in the being able to walk away from any situation, but maybe as they say, the fun comes in the journey, not in finding what you're looking for.

On one level, I'd say a lot of the people on this site are looking for someone special that complements us and enriches our life. Even David DeAngelo mentions that he feels most men are looking for that one really great WOMAN. But this goes back into the cultural aspect of this all. Most cultures value monogamy (religious fundamentals).

Are we all going to strive for this singular relationship because we've got inner ideals that are too hard to eradicate or do we truly (innate/natural biology) seek the "one". I find myself happy in exclusive relationships but eventually my mind starts to wonder what else is out there and I break up with the girl.

Perhaps a blend of monogamy and dating is what works best for humans. Biologically, it would seem that there would need to be a period of exclusivity during the birth/child rearing process for the safety and proper upbringing of the child. But lifelong exclusivity (e.g. pairbonding) IS NOT a human characteristic.

In the species which have life long pair-bonding - there is no concept of breaking up or divorce. They are bonded for life and if one partner dies, the other does not "move on". Human beings are not meant to be in life long monogamous relationships.

"Love" has biological roots; it is a CHEMICAL PROCESS

See this article

Being a chemical process, it's easy to see why having "ONEitis" isn't easily overcome (for some). It is difficult for the mind to overcome the chemical symptoms of "withdrawal" that are occurring in your body. As mentioned in the article above, there are several neurotransmitters involved in the feelings of attachment.

When that attachment is severed... your body will go through the same withdrawal process it would go through if you cut out coffee or the gym, or anything else which causes the surge of "happy juices" through the body.

So why does society foster such an idealistic concept? The answer must be partially biological but also partially rooted in religion. In society of days past, there must have been some advantage to convincing the peasants and surfs to be monogamous. By telling them that monogamy was God's way, were the churches creating an environment that was well suited to producing more bible followers?

Not all churches have this belief system, so the question really comes down to Christianity, as this has had the largest influence in the United States and thus on the vast majority of the posters here. What is it about pushing monogamy that was beneficial to the church and its pockets? :confused:
 

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Mind_Body_Soul said:
"Love" has biological roots; it is a CHEMICAL PROCESS

See this article

Being a chemical process, it's easy to see why having "ONEitis" isn't easily overcome (for some). It is difficult for the mind to overcome the chemical symptoms of "withdrawal" that are occurring in your body. As mentioned in the article above, there are several neurotransmitters involved in the feelings of attachment.
This is why I don't fully subscribe to the theory that oneitis is a direct byproduct of the soul mate myth.

Belief in "The One" definitely has a strong influence over a person's actions, but at the end of the day you don't even have to believe in the soulmate myth to fall for someone.

This is where the estrogen comes in. Men are predominantly logical creatures and women are predominantly emotional creatures, BUT, we all know that men have emotions and women are capable of reason.

It all comes down to the fact that I will be the first to call bullsh!t when someone starts talking that "she's the ONE" crap, but I'm not immune to the charms of a beautiful, smart, funny woman who has her sh!t together. I could fall pretty hard for someone DESPITE the fact that I know that there are plenty more women besides the one in front of me that might do the same thing for me.

I can count on two or three fingers the number of women who I have ever met that I would even have the potential to contract oneitis from, that's how rare it is for me to be attracted to someone to that degree. And to be perfectly honest it hasn't happened at all since I reformed my AFC ways. But I doubt that I am immune if I ever meet the right girl.

Some things are very difficult to control, and sometimes feelings for a woman is one of them.
 

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My interpretation of the term 'ONEitis' is derived from the commonality of men's behaviors with this affliction, and their stating "I think she's the ONE,.." or something to that effect. The second I hear a man utter this in earnest I know precisely what I'm dealing with.

I have a LOT of trouble with legitimizing ONEitis because I see it as a personality disorder, so to say it's OK to have ONEitis for a woman you're in an LTR with or married to is akin to saying it's OK to have obsessive-compulsive disorder because you're in a committed relationship. If an AFC's definition of ONEitis consists of not obsessing over a girl, until he's allowed to do so within the confines of an LTR , this definition isn't helping and may retard his maturity in comparrison. The opposite is true as well for the other extreme in a PUA who stays in this "no one merits my undivided attention" in or out of an LTR. I think it equally damaging to equate a healthy LTR/marriage as an acceptable and institutionalized form of ONEitis.

More than a few of us on the mature board know AFCs locked into a marriage where they play the submissive role and are kept beholden to a woman as an authority figure even to the point where it becomes second nature to them when she's not physically present. ONEitis apologists would say that this situation is due to the guy being an AFC, which is true enough, but I'd argue that a ONEitis mentality plays into his "arrangement" with his wife as a quality of being an AFC. One schema feeds into another, thus a married AFC's ONEitis reinforces a scarcity mentality which further locks him into his conditions and he internalizes his situation as being normal.

There is no such thing as a healthy ONEitis. You either have a relationship based upon mutual respect and a shared affinity or you don't. How many married men end up cuckolds because they revert back to AFC after marrying their ONEitis? What should I tell TWEEK here when he uncontrollably wants to keep at it with his LTR after she cheats on him?
 

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Its possible i misused the term in my original post. In my defense, i elaborated on my personal definition of it for the situation I was looking at (in that original post). I certainly didn't mean it to represent "a soulmate". I meant it to a much lesser degree; "better than typical" or just "special (unique)" but still certainly one of many that could be out there. I'm an agnostic and a scientist, so I pretty much hold anything metaphysical as suspect, including the idea of soulmates.

It seems like the consensus is to just walk away and move on. I think I've always agreed in theory, its just putting it into practice that can be hard sometime.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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