The way human nature works, is that for someone to be extreme in something, it is usually overcompensating for at one point a deficiency at one point in life.
Some of the best guys with women, were motivated by the lack of sex and vowed to become the best they can, now they are great with women.
some, not all, but alot of the richest people on earth, grew up dirt poor, and the need/drive to be well off comes from the need to overcompensate for what they used to not have, financial security.
some of the best looking, 2 piece wearing size 0 pants, coke bottle shaped women, could lick the sweat off her stomach women, were at some point in time, not where they are now.
There is a woman at my gym,she's I want to say 32-33 years old.. if you could, like "create-a-woman" this is it. about the closest thing to a 10 as you will ever see. no flaw. has about an 8 pack stomach, a firm ass, my height, can't be more than 110 pounds, looks better than girls half her age, and that's no exaggeration whatsoever. Blonde, blue eyes. And you see her in the gym, like 3-4 hours a day. she's always wearing those bra shirts, showing her stomach, and there is not one ounce of fat anywhere. never see her eating anything bad, hell she takes it to the extreme. always working out, doing cardio, going to aerobics, etc.
we got to talking one day while we were both cooling down after being on the treadmill and i asked her, and told her she didn't have to answer but, but i'm just curious, did she used to be bigger? she said how did you know.. i said there is no way a normal woman who is your size, gets your work ethic from out of the blue. Guys she is ass licking hot. the type of hot you see and go home and jack off too lol.
So my point is, there is no point in making rash judgements like that, that quickly without having all the information at hand. Not saying she is defiantly going to develop that type of work ethic. She told me (this girl) she at one point was about 160, and after being rejected by a guy she liked, she startegoing to the gym, and just really took to the whole lifestyle. A LOT of bodybuilders, are guys who were at one point, just fat, and got so into the working out they took it up as a hobby. But you don't know and it's silyl to keep trying to take short cuts to NEXT women. Takes all of 10 seconds to ask for a drink of water, go look in her cabinet and see what she is eating.