On American Women

[Scaramouche]

Dear Tokyo,
Great post but "While it's a good idea to change fishing locations when the fish have run out, keep in mind that women in other countries behave the way they do because of the externally applied social norms."seriously mate this doesn't apply to Mainland Chinese Girls,in microcosm they reflect the same attitude to external cultures that in macrocosm the great Chinese nation has displayed with cultures that have apparently subjugated them,they just absorb them and go on with being themselves...I have known Women from many Nations,and these Chinese Girls are the best.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I have known Women from many Nations,and these Chinese Girls are the best.

Would you mind elaborating? I've experience with Taiwanese, ABC's, and Hong Kong girls, but none from the mainland.

 

[STR8UP]

The only catch is, she says she is super religious and if I want her I need to join her church.

Maybe I should? This is wifey material right?

If you do, Im'a B!TCH slap yo ass.

I don't care HOW much of a "catch" a woman is.....I will NOT compromise in that area. No fukking way.

Take what women say with a grain of salt. If you are high enough value in her eyes she will suck you dry till christmas, church or no church.

Who owns the frame? To hand it over to her in this manner is a train wreck waiting to happen.

 

[STR8UP]

I dont want to join the church. What should I do from here on out? Not talk to her as much? Take away attention?

How do I proceed without joining her church? I hate the idea too. How do I get her to stop talking about church and drop the panties?

Push/pull. But don't drag it on forever. if she hasn't given it up within a few weeks, CEASE CONTACT.

If she won't even kiss you, that's a bad sign. She sounds like a religious wack job. TRUST ME....she WILL put out for the right guy. That's what you need to understand.

A few weeks ago a fukked a chick who said that she hadn't had sex in three years. True? Who knows. But if it is true, all you have to do is be THAT GUY. If it isn't in the cards, you move on.

Don't waste too much time on this chick. There IS a such thing as "too conservative".

 

[STR8UP]

Is push pull not talking to her for a few days, and then talking to her? I'm not sure I understand the push / pull concept with this girl... thanks!

You go about your life and fit her in at your convenience.

You reward her for behavior that pleases you (a kiss, a BJ, whatever), you punish her by removing your attention when she displeases you. The trick is to
make sure she associates your rewards/punishment with her actions.

It sounds like she's more trouble than she's worth. What if you DO manage to get into her panties and she turns out to be a dud in the sack? It can go either way. Sometimes these types of chicks will let out their inner freak when they finally give it up, sometimes they turn out to be a dead fish.

Make her come to you. Make her work for YOUR attention. She has the frame and you need to reclaim it.

 

[STR8UP]

I will tell her I'm too busy to join her church right now.

No, you are too busy to join her church EVER.

I will go on a second date with her and if she resists I can be like "kiss me, or another girl will" something like that. How does that sound?

Ummmm.....no.....

 

[jophil28]

You think the idea of converting to her religion should just be dismissed entirely without any consideration?

I know a guy who married a muslim woman, but he had to convert to Islam in order to marry her. He changed his name and everything.

Last I heard they are still happily married after many years. Would you have told that guy the same thing?

Does she want you to attend her church or convert to her religion ? Big difference.

I would tell her that you will come along to the next church picnic if you and she develop a "relationship"..

 

[ketostix]

How do I proceed without joining her church? I hate the idea too. How do I get her to stop talking about church and drop the panties?

The thing is if you want a girl who has values and isn't a wh0re then she just might go to church. Where else is she going to get non-wh0ring values? The mainstream media and society?

However, I would stall and be very hesistant about actually joining her church. The reason I say that is not so much because of her but the other members of the church will destroy any relationship from advancing. These Protestants took a good idea, that women shouldn't be wh0res and should be faithful, and totally corrupted it into c0ckblock the male church members while the female church members are secretly getting c0ck on the outside. Now maybe this girl isn't getting it on the outside but once the other church members see you as the guy with designs on her, you will become their target. Why do you think she's talking to you and not going out with guys in her church which would be the sensible thing to do?

I would recommend not joining her church and to keep going out with her outside of there and keep pushing things forward.

 

[ketostix]

YES! She told me she wants me to attend the church, but she doesn't want to go WITH me. She doesn't want the church to know we are together. Makes sense now.

Yeah but still you and her will talk and hang out at church and once you start seeing her at that church you will be bogged down in that quagmire. It'll be as if for all intents and purposes you're one of the church guys trying to date a female church member and the clan will try to ruin it. Like Jophil said I would push it towards a relationship first. Maybe stall this church thing later by insinuating that you might find a church you like for you both to go to. You definietly don't want to go to a church where they know her and have influence on her IMO.

 

[ketostix]

Yeah, it sucks dating a prude like this. She called me after the date and I told her we should hang out again and she said "ok but you cant kiss me...."

This girl is going to be loads of fun.

Getting her drunk is out of the question.

Well obviously this girl is a candidate for an investment in a future relationship. The question is, is she a good investment and time will tell that. The important thing is to play this out and in the meantime you can date "wh0res" on the side. The main thing is you can't invest in a future with a wh0re. There is no future there. She said OK to hanging out so ignore her "you can't kiss me.." just like you ignore everything else women say and proceed.

 

[Warrior74]

Yeah, it sucks dating a prude like this. She called me after the date and I told her we should hang out again and she said "ok but you cant kiss me...."

This girl is going to be loads of fun.

Getting her drunk is out of the question.

This is what I see. I see her setting the frame. I see her making hoops. I see you slowly thinking about jumping through them. I see her watching you prepare to jump through her hoops. That is what I see.


Here is what I don't see. I don't see you leading with this woman. I don't see any ****y responses to her bullshiit satements "you can't kiss me". I don't see you saying back, "Girl please, you are dying for me to kiss you, if your good I might let you kiss me on the cheek". I don't see you challenging her, upsetting her, taking her on an emotional rollercoaster. I don't see any balls at all.

 

[Warrior74]

That's some good advice! The religion thing caught me off guard. I didn't know how to handle it!

I will be seeing this girl again. I will use these methods next time we go out. Thanks, this is the advice I needed!

She just called me. The girl is getting posessive. She asks where I am, what I am doing. She told me she is on the way to church If I don't answer the phone, she keeps calling and then she gets mad that I didn't answer the phone.

She is going to church tonight and tomorrow morning, and she drives like 2 hours to get there but she stays close to the church at a friends house.

She said she is going to call me tomorrow so we can meet up on her way back from church.

She asked why I don't call her more. I told her I'm not a phone person. She said I need to call her more because she can't call me all the time.

Ignore her orders. which is what they are. they are not request. Don't change your game for jesus, brama, allah, or hova. Obviously not calling her as much works. it makes her think about you. I've gotten to the point where if a woman ask something I don't feel like anwsering, I just don't. I anwser only to God, and he at least waits until the end of my days.

 

[jophil28]

Yeah, it sucks dating a prude like this. She called me after the date and I told her we should hang out again and she said "ok but you cant kiss me...."

This girl is going to be loads of fun.

Getting her drunk is out of the question.

This story is a salutory reminder to all you evol psych 'scientists' who simply believe that male status and wealth will always "make her wet".
This story is a powerful example of the power of nurture over nature.

Count one for the behaviorists.
Mom and God are winning.

 

[jophil28]

Her behavior is making me like her more in the long run. Maybe she is wifey material? Most American women would have been slobbing on the knob by the second date.

Her behavior is triggering desire in you because we humans always want what we cannot have - for a while. However we will not usually endlessly chase the object of our desire without some minimum reward to keep us interested, or at least a credible promise .

Secondly, her "quality" as a woman may be building in your mind because you are reasonable convinced that she is also not likely to be a cheater or a slvt should you and she get in an LTR.

You like dancing Samba ?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Vlad. For the love of christ, read the MM forum rules and put an age on your ƒucking profile. It's not that hard,...

 

[Vlad the 1mpaler]

Vlad. For the love of christ, read the MM forum rules and put an age on your ƒucking profile. It's not that hard,...

Rollo, you keep deleting my posts because I refuse to put my age?

I don't want to put my age. I am of age, I promise you I am way over 26.

I don't feel like posting that information. Why should I?

 

[STR8UP]

This story is a salutory reminder to all you evol psych 'scientists' who simply believe that male status and wealth will always "make her wet".
This story is a powerful example of the power of nurture over nature.

Count one for the behaviorists.
Mom and God are winning.

This is a nice story, but I have an even better one.

I once knew a preacher's daughter who was engaged to a "devout christian" man.

Engaged, until one day he found out his little angel (who was making him wait patiently to get at a piece of the cookie, BTW), was in fact banging her way through her male coworkers at a furious pace.

The angel facade went down in flames, and the vituous christian fiancee suddenly learned how to use every four-letter-word in the book.

Nice try, but no dice.

 

[Luthor Rex]

This story is a salutory reminder to all you evol psych 'scientists' who simply believe that male status and wealth will always "make her wet".
This story is a powerful example of the power of nurture over nature.

Count one for the behaviorists.
Mom and God are winning.

I think you're jumping to conclusions about this girl. Maybe she's a "good girl" or maybe she's not. We'll only know if Vlad keeps seeing her, doesn't get banned because he won't post his age, and he posts updates about her.

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

I think you're jumping to conclusions about this girl. Maybe she's a "good girl" or maybe she's not. We'll only know if Vlad keeps seeing her, doesn't get banned because he won't post his age, and he posts updates about her.

Alright, I posted my age. I would like to keep posting my experiences with this girl and get everybody's feedback to help me deal with her. Rollo, sorry I was a prick about the age thing.

Now as for the girl, she called me tonight on her way to church. She goes to Church Saturday night AND Sunday morning. This is VERY weird for me, because I am pretty much Atheist but I told her I believe and I'm Christian and all that stuff. I have been to church twice in my life.

She drives 2 hours to get to the church. She stays at a friends house close to the church.

She said she wants to see me on her way back. I told her to come to my house. She said NO she can't come to my house. She wasn't sure where we could meet so she is going to call me sometime during the day and we will decide where to meet up.

I think she will be with her hot friend so I will get to meet her too.

 

[STR8UP]

Alright, I posted my age. I would like to keep posting my experiences with this girl and get everybody's feedback to help me deal with her. Rollo, sorry I was a prick about the age thing.

Now as for the girl, she called me tonight on her way to church. She goes to Church Saturday night AND Sunday morning. This is VERY weird for me, because I am pretty much Atheist but I told her I believe and I'm Christian and all that stuff. I have been to church twice in my life.

She drives 2 hours to get to the church. She stays at a friends house close to the church.

She said she wants to see me on her way back. I told her to come to my house. She said NO she can't come to my house. She wasn't sure where we could meet so she is going to call me sometime during the day and we will decide where to meet up.

I think she will be with her hot friend so I will get to meet her too.

1) You are an ATHIEST who is considering attending church services to get some pu$$y?

2) This chick is either a closet wh0re or a prude. I wouldn't want either one.

Contrary to popular belief, there is NO SUCH THING as a "good girl" vs the "*****". Every woman has both in her, You start getting into these "good" girls who go to church and all, and you start to compromise your core beliefs just because she SEEMS like she hasn't sucked off the football team.

It's not worth compromising your beliefs. So you're gonna "pretend" to love a god you don't even believe in just to have a woman in your life who seems willing to play the traditional role?

Not saying it's gonna happen, but you would feel like a total fool if you were to play this chick's game just to find out she was a fraud.

As with pretty much everything in life, the sweet spot lies in the middle. I would rather date a stripper than a church girl. I'm dead serious. But when it comes down to it chances are, the dateable women are neither porn stars nor devout christians.

Do as you wish, but personally, I would NEVER sit around begging for a first kiss from a hardcore religious wackjob. She has your balls in her hand. What are you going to do about that?