Obscure idea? Or Global "community service"?

[MisterNigma]

WARNING and Advice

Take it from a russian(me), this could get messy.

Without a question, atleast for me, russian women are better. They tend to be smarter, and have a less pompous attitude towards life.

There are ALOT of scams out there, so be careful, but there are a few legitemate services, that work on the same premises as the dating services here.

If you're not looking for a wife, then you really don't need to even go to russia to make some money. What I mean is that there are plenty of russian women who are in the U.S. illegally. They would plain pay you to have a fake marriage. A U.S. citizenship is valued at 20k at the present time. There are women willing to pay.

If you're financially secure, and approach with care, then you'll be fine. I would reccomend one thing though, and many of these services will reccomend this as well(atleast the legitemate ones) if you travel to russia, travel with a friend (preferably also russian).

Do your research, definately get a prenup, and understand, that whatever else the case may be, the woman might even pretend to love you, they are after a green card, and a citizenship. This is not to say that true love can't happened. I know it can, I've seen it personally.

Just don't get into this whole thing thinking that you can find a woman who will basically do anything you want. Russian women are smart, smarter then american ones.


-E.Nigma

 

[Vulpine]

20k? Dude, save me the hassle and just hook me up! Hell yeah I'll sponsor a chick for 20k! Hahahaha.

Sheeeyit, Speedo, we'll be totally turning a profit! Let's go!

My canned opener would be something like "Hey, cutie, $20k USD buys you U.S. citizenship... are you down?"

I'll totally wh0re myself out... awesome. I always dreamed of being a gigalo! Man, I gotta become a morman so I can marry several at once! Holy CRAP! I'll be fuxing RICH!

 

[wayword]

I'm fed up with American women's BS, so I've begun to consider looking elsewhere. Quite simply, quality single men are being chased away... look at me go! LOL! I would imagine that this would sting a little. The looks on the faces of women here that I've presented this idea to is PRICELESS!

I totally feel you, bro.

AW are great to mess around and catch STDs with...but if you want a reliable, quality woman to get serious with - fuggedaboudit. Feminists have an isolationist MONOPOLY on men in this country...and INTEND to KEEP IT THAT WAY!!! And we all know that when competition goes DOWN, so does QUALITY. When you can ONLY spin AMERICAN PLATES...you effectively have "national oneitis" and NO OPTIONS or LEVERAGE anymore.

I really believe that foreign women attract 2 kinds of men - those with really LOW or really HIGH value/self-esteem. The low ones due to lack of other options and the high ones due to higher personal standards and self-respect. The latter would include super-alpha men like DONALD TRUMP & TIGER WOODS and are steadily increasing in numbers as American men start realizing that they just CAN'T WIN with 90% of AW.. They have all been brainwashed by feminists to hate men, avoid responsibility and expect entitlement to a "Malibu Barbie" fantasy life.

When I was younger, I thought this was just whiny talk from bitter old losers. As I got older myself, I realized through my dating experiences that they were...simply right. The problem wasn't me, it WAS THEM.

And just ask any ex-pat - once you go non-American...you don't EVER want to go back!!!

 

[Latinoman]

Just as I suspected you would assume I signed up to "jump your sh!t". I was invited by a well respected member of this community. He's a good friend of mine, and we share a lot of the same views. I've been reading posts for quite some time, but not replying.

My intent with the being aggravated comment was just to show you and the rest of the guys my side. You're misdirected. I'm not jaded or bitter, never been married and have no kids. Just looking to provide a female point of view, and perhaps you should be more patient and listen before you chuck me off to the 'American woman's BS'. I'm sure you won't be the only one to misinterpret my response.

You're right, I don't know you, and now that I know that you enjoy WI I can make a better assessment. Perhaps you shouldn't jump to conclusions with me as well.

You are suppose to post your age. Part of the rules.

And welcome.

 

[MisterNigma]

Ok, this is easy. Go to brighton beach, start hitting on women. You really can't miss.

Although, 20K is alot for many of them...

I would do it myself, but at present I don't want to complicate my life too much. There would be alot of hassles involved. Keep in mind, fraud is a pretty serious offense.

BTW, that pick up line will get you slapped fast , and if you run into the wrong person, it might also get the cops involved...


-E.Nigma

 

[Sinistar]

After reading your post I asked a good friend what he thought after dating several women from Russia. His comment was basically that there are of course many very attractive ones and you will find many with very good value systems ...but... be expected to be the American dude who has all the money and foots the all the bills for everything.

Vulpine, you're probably one of the better advisors on this forum. So I definitely don't see you taking drastic measures or entering risky schemes. What I do read is that perhaps you're just getting bored with everything in general. And that's usually not the best time to be basing the course of your life on the pursuit of women.

Back to the Russian HB's, maybe there's a way to meet the ones that are already over here in a more targeted manner (avoiding the online misfits and going where you might find them in person).

And a different suggestion all together: Unlug from the Matrix for about 6 months. Load up the big backpack and travel the world on a budget. Stay or leave each place as you desire. Do different sh!t. Meet different HB's. Break out of the pattern. Set an entirely different set of goals like: hunting at least 'N' different species not found here; s3x HB's from at least N different countries; ....

 

[wayword]

This is how American women were before feminism:

Beautiful, feminine, sweet, nice, classy & ladylike...

But ALL GONE within just 1 generation!

 

[newbie81]

I was having a conversation with my mother about my distaste for modern women's attitudes and such, and I punctuated my rant with: "Maybe I should find a Russian chick to bring over here mail-order bride style."

She laughed and the conversation fizzled, but my brain was hung up on the concept and started actually analyzing logistics.

So, I'm online playing fantasy pen-pal to American chicks anyway, what's to say I just don't switch sites? I mean, with all the hassle, I might just as well direct my efforts to what I would like to believe are "better quality" women. Makes sense, right? We hear it on here quite often how American women are b!tches compared to other women in the global community. So...? Why should I continue to go after them? I guess overall I'm left with a feeling that American women are unrealistic, just don't appreciate or value me as the prize I am. Then, I consider foreign women.... Hmmm... Hmmm...

Then my brain arrives at the logistics. Travel, phone calls, correspondence, travel, paperwork... ick. But then again, I think that if all is handled correctly, regardless of the outcome a Russian chick would be very lucky to get the opportunity. I have an extra bedroom in my apartment, don't have any plans to get married anytime soon, and I have always wanted to get overseas. What's to say I couldn't just "sponsor" a Ruskie? Seriously, think about it. Bring her over, make her get a job and pay half the rent (maybe do laundry and wash some dishes), and when the time requirement is complete, she's free to do as she wishes. It would sort of be like an "endentured servant" scenario. I pretty much got the idea from being in the Army. See, a guy and a chick would get married in the Army just because they would get better pay and benefits. Then, after their enlistment was up, they'd get a divorce and go their seperate ways. Meanwhile, they'd have bf's/gf's on the side. They wouldn't even be having sex together!

Work up a pre-nup, do the marriage thing, and get a hot roommate. Of course, there is always a possibility that things could "work out" and you'd want to stay married, but if you counted on them just wanting to get to the states and using you, I think you could cover your azz and it could be a "grand gesture" to what would probably be a lifelong friend. Heck, you could even be upfront about it and explain that you were merely helping them gain citizenship.

Then I got to thinking about "perceived value" by other American women. I'd be married to a super-hot chick. I wouldn't need to tell everyone what the deal was, I could just leave them to wonder. It's pretty diabolical, actually.

Now, you're probably thinking I'm bonkers for even entertaining the notion, but consider my situation: ZERO women match my search criteria, I live in a somewhat "rural" area, I easily afford my two bedroom apartment, and American women have crap attitudes because of American media/pop culture (or are fat... I would honestly say that 75% of my datable pool of women here are overweight). Really, how crazy am I? If you think about it a while, I think you'll see that it's not an irrational idea. I've got lots of options, this seems like a fair one also.

Please give construtive criticism, don't go flaming me for a concept. This is merely an idea I've been kicking around and I wonder who else here has given thought to the same idea.

One of my collegues is 40y old right now. He has been married 5years already with a woman from Russia. They have a 3y old boy together.

His story (I do not know all the details):
-Until his 30 bad relationships with women from Belgium.
-He starts surfing the net: russian dating sites.
-One day he meets his present wife online
-Lots of msn messenger
-Phone calls starts, internationally of course
-He takes the trip to Russia, goes visiting her.
-Fvck close I presume
-Phone calls again
-Another trip to russia/Fvck close/phone calls
-Eventually the decide to marry
-She comes over here, they marry, they have a child

His wife:
-She earns twice as much as him (works as russian translator for european union)
-He has all the credit cards. If she wants to buy something, she asks him first. He decide.
-She does everything: laundry, kitchen, householdery,...
-She has still the russian nationality at this point. When there's an argument he replies "if you're not happy, there's the door. But the child stays with me" (this would be what would happen if they would divorce, child stays, she goes back to russia)
-She's almost 15year younger.


Btw, I know he met another girl before her. He want also to russia meeting that one, fvck close, but didn't replied his phone calls later on (lol).


My other collegue is from turkish origin. 25y old. Dated a 40y old b!tch for 3years. Last summer he goes to turkey, first time in his life. He meets a woman (16y old lol), marries her in less than 3weeks. Comes back married. Tells the 40y old to pack her stuff, he's married. The 16y old (legally 18y old), will be coming to Belgium next year.

I have a third collegue who's friend went to romania on holiday. Met a a girl form there, brought her with him, married her. She does everything at home, friendly with everyone, takes care of her look (natural beauty),...


-peace.

 

[newbie81]

Btw, those were the positive stories. I can give you negative stories too.

-Prostitution in Western countries is full of Eastern women. Clear indicator that some will go far to get out of their situation in their home country.
-With Europe admitting more eastern countries to the European Union, there is an easilier entry of eastern population into the Western countries. Russia/Polen/Romania/... you see them as much as the North-Africans/Central-Africans in all Western Cities. I know some people who dated Russian girls that lived in Belgium already: they want money.


I would have no problem with a woman wanting me for my money. Just as I have no problems with a woman wanting me for my looks, my body, my business, my friends, my car,... As long as she has serious feminine assets to offer: I'll play the game, but following my rules & always having the joker ready under the table (asset protection in this case).

-peace.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

WAYWORD, good link. I love the PS3 vs. Wii commercial, funny as hell, but I couldn't help but think that what you're getting at is a two way street. This is off topic for this thread so I'll start a new one with this in mind, but I think that a lot of guys get lost in this self-righteous anger about how feminism destroyed some idyllic world we had before without considering that it's just as much our own faults as Men for allowing it to come to this stage.

It's very tempting to throw our collective hands up and think "fukk it, American women are a lost cause, I'm gonna look for love (i.e. easier sex) in Chekoslavakia - those chicks know how to treat a man!" rather than to man-up and play our own game better. It only took since the the late 60s to get to where we are now in America to re-invent gender roles (and create a generation of AFCs), how long will it be before a westernized pseudo-feminism sweeps over Europe? China? etc.? It's already happening.

We can grind our teeth all day long about how skewed women are in the U.S., but how much of this is attributable to our own innability (or negligence)as men to live up to what amounts to an international sh!t test?

 

[Ricky]

Men and women both find people from other countries interesting.

I have always liked to meet women from other countries and I think it is natural to be attracted to women that are different than us.

I have dated only American women (and fooled around with a few Mexican girls) prior to this girlfriend who is from another country.

It has been mentioned to meet the foreign girls that are already here and I think that is the best idea. That's what I did. I think meeting the international girls that are already visiting the U.S. is alot better than this whole mail order deal. The whole mail order deal is flawed for me anyways because it takes more than a meeting or two to know if I'm interested in a girl.

My suggestions. Don't give up on American girls, but also date women from everywhere. Variety is the spice of life and it doesn't really matter where the women you want is from. There are great women everywhere.

 

[Ice Cold]

I easily afford my two bedroom apartment, and American women have crap attitudes because of American media/pop culture (or are fat... I would honestly say that 75% of my datable pool of women here are overweight). Really, how crazy am I? If you think about it a while, I think you'll see that it's not an irrational idea. I've got lots of options, this seems like a fair one also.

One possibility is the calls the cops on you with false battering charges.

You're out of the house, the house is hers, but I think that's if she has a baby.



As someone above mentioned: there's a demand for marriages in the US by people who want to stay. Some international students... some work/business visas...

20k for the greencard sounds about right.

 

[newbie81]

It's very tempting to throw our collective hands up and think "fukk it, American women are a lost cause, I'm gonna look for love (i.e. easier sex) in Chekoslavakia - those chicks know how to treat a man!" rather than to man-up and play our own game better. It only took since the the late 60s to get to where we are now in America to re-invent gender roles (and create a generation of AFCs), how long will it be before a westernized pseudo-feminism sweeps over Europe? China? etc.? It's already happening.

Feminism is already overtly present in Western-Europe. I went to North Africa Last summer, and even there feminism is present in the big cities, again: overtly. Rather tough to see feminism develop in islam countries but it does. First thing you notice: #marriages drop, #divorces raise,...

 

[wayword]

It's very tempting to throw our collective hands up and think "fukk it, American women are a lost cause, I'm gonna look for love (i.e. easier sex) in Chekoslavakia - those chicks know how to treat a man!" rather than to man-up and play our own game better. It only took since the the late 60s to get to where we are now in America to re-invent gender roles (and create a generation of AFCs), how long will it be before a westernized pseudo-feminism sweeps over Europe? China? etc.? It's already happening.

We can grind our teeth all day long about how skewed women are in the U.S., but how much of this is attributable to our own innability (or negligence)as men to live up to what amounts to an international sh!t test?

I agree that American "men" have totally dropped the ball and let feminism grow unchallenged like a cancer here. Outsourcing women is thus the lesser of evils, but only a temporary escapist fix...as the feminist virus is quickly spreading globally! At some point, you will run out of places to run to!

So, no matter what you do, we men MUST unite and fight AGAINst this evil wherever it is found! THAT is the only LONGTERM solution! MASS EXTERMINATION of the disease just like polio or any other epidemic.

 

[Vulpine]

Lots of good discussion. I'm just considering some options I have and trying to nail down a specific road or direction I want to go in the new year. In my evolution, I realize that my life has been, until this point, not unlike the feather in "Forrest Gump". (which has been [more or less] a blast, don't get me wrong)

So, where to now? I've given myself a big blank canvas to paint on. At this point, I'm weighing investments and realizing that I could liquidate and go anywhere, do anything, bang anybody, but I think I would really just finally put a root down and work on some "quality of life", assets, and more "future oriented" goals.

Based on the discussion so far, I get the impression that I should pull a Jack Kerouac and hit the road.

But... but... but...!

I've got a lot of goal conflicts with extended travel scenarios. I'm locked into a great money saving schedule and my job security is ridiculously high. Unfortunately, my travel ability is limited and the relocation possibilities seem not impossible, but nearly retarded to attempt considering "quality of life" and "future orientation". Moving and establishing myself at a new job is a bad gamble and a stupid, needless risk. I've relocated plenty, I'm sure I'd get along, but then what? For what? What's to say I wouldn't end up worse off?

Which leads me to the import-a-ho option. It seems mighty convenient, given my situation. Which is why I prompted people here that may have previously considered the option. Alas, I'm starting to think it's just a big pipe-dream. It's without a doubt a whole hell of a lot of drama that I don't necessarily welcome, but it may proove fruitful... if... but...

It's damn hard to pull the trigger on any or decision.

Oh, and you guys alluding to casting blame off of myself, back up. I've gave serious analytical thought (while sitting in a tree stand ) to exactly what I would be happy with and should look for in a woman; as well the how's, where's, when's.

There aren't any huntable numbers of Kangaroo, Red Stag, Wombat, Rhino, or Pandas here in the US. They may very well be here, but are in captivity or so few that the chances of bagging one are functionally impossible (someone spotted a 'roo bouncing around in a nearby woods a few months ago!?!). Like hunting, you need to go where the target species is. Like fishing, you have to go where fish are. What I'm doing here is fishing for marlin in the public swimming pool - a big f'king waste of time, but at least I'm getting a buzz and a tan.

If I can use some technology to help, like playing a video game of catching marlin with the option of having the marlin delivered once you catch it, then I figured I'd explore some logistics. Follow the logic? Just how realistic could it be?

:crazy: :nervous: :cuss: I'm running the gamut here, and I'm still left with a *shrug*. They need a "thumb sideways" smiley.

 

[MacAvoy]

Is a 6 month's leave of absence a possibility with your job? I can understand not wanting to upoot when you've got a good thing going. I certainly understand your analogies.

As long as you don't expose yourself, I don't see too much harm in exploring the possibility. Its important that you keep sarging in real life though, you don't want to get sucked in to the online / overseas thing. I'd also seriously consider looking at a different part of the world rather than Russia, simply because the number of gold diggers is going to be significantly higher. There also likely to be less dominated women, I would think women are more equal in Russia than other parts of the world (asian, philipines etc..) where the women will be much more willing to fill the role you want her to.

 

[Vulpine]

Noone can cover for me if I leave, so no, extended leave is not an option: leave job = lose job.

I've had a lot of time lately to mull things over and toss around ideas. This is just an idea, along with oh-so-many others. Call it scheming, call it whatever, I've got a New Year's resolution to make... and keep. Women factor remarkably low into the schemes: coming in at something like #18. Alas, women ARE a factor in my future.

I've pretty much embraced the idea of never marrying. Like a fear of death, losing the fear of never marrying makes life all the more enjoyable, IMO. The whole mail order bride thing seems like a slick sort of "get rich quick" thing. But, the more I check it out, the more it seems like just another pyramid scheme. There is "money to be made" and potential, but there is A LOT of legwork to do.

 

[MacAvoy]

I thought your intentions were to not get a mail order bride thing but to find a women online, romance her and offer to bring her here because "your a nice guy" who wants to help her out (in exchagne for a free live-in maid).

 

[Vulpine]

Fail-safe attitude, something to do as a hobby, get a roommate, get a housekeeper, live-in 3rd for a 3-way, arm candy, get a chauffer, find a wife... I'm not sure of the angle, if there is even an angle to have.

Truth is, I'm not very motivated to do it, if I even decide to. Really, I think my motivation consists of "I'm not doing sh!t else, why not?" And, "Screw these American bidges, what's up with those Russian chicks?"

Boy, I sure have a lot of shrugs going on these days.

If I did end up doing it, I'm thinking the odds of it "working out" are like 5:1. The whatever 3 or 5 years it takes is a long time and people tend to "grow together" and "grow apart". But "becoming attached" is only a factor provided you even have to "play house". But, you know, there is that chance, so you have to keep it in mind when getting into it I would suppose. I sure as fack wouldn't even consider it with a 6'4" 280 lb FUG, I'd shoot for something a little more appropriate, you know?

But, Asian chicks were mentioned. Who doesn't like Asians? I've been dabbling in learning Japanese off and on for a while. At one point I wanted to go to Japan and apprentice as a sushi chef then come back and slang fish... I'm full of schemes and shrugs it seems.

I'm full of rhymes too, apparently. Recognize.

Hmmm... maybe while in Japan as a sushi chef's apprentice I'll meet a Russian chick and bring her back here.

Damn... I need to just make a friggin' list and start flipping a coin.

You know what, it sounds like a big set-up for one-itis. A "one-itis" pit instead of a money pit... a bit of both, actually.

Hell, if I was stupid-rich, I like the idea of a "disposable wife". Get one (with pre-nup, of course), have her around for 5 years, then get a new one! Lather, rinse, repeat!

 

[MatureDJ]

I've been to the former USSR many times (probably have lived there 2 years out of the last 8.) You gentlemen are incredibly unknowledgeable about this endeavor.

Are there attractive women there - you bet! But it has been my experience that the attractive ones there are even loopier than the women in the USA.

Are there some good women there? Yes, but they are hard to find as well. And as someone has mentioned, there are plenty of scam traps along the way that a man would need to navigate. There are women who will play along with a man for years, slowly draining him of money. I have personally known of a few such situations.

There are legal entanglements that will really put FEAR in your heart. First off, if you are going to sponsor a wife for immigration, you must marry. And once your wife is in the USA, she can use a loophole that allows her to claim fake domestic violence to leave you and remain a resident of the USA. There are cases of women who have pressed such fake charges against their husbands, and these men actually spent a few dails in JAIL before the charges were dropped (but with her securing her immigration status.) And even if she wanted to play by the rules, she could divorce after 2 years for any reason and stay (such a woman is called a 731 day bride.)

But the worst entanglement of all is this nasty little contract required by US immgiration called the I-864 affidavit of support. The sponsor agrees to support the spouse until she remarries, becomes a citizen, or works 40 quarters (i.e., quarters of Social Security taxed income.) This contract essentially becomes a de facto alimony pre-nup for the sponsor to support the spouse at the level of 125% of poverty (i.e., about $1K per month.)

The spouse is not required to mitigate the support. If she wants to sit on her azz and have no official job (she could work under the table or mvoe in with some other man, etc.), the sponsor must support her. (If she would earn an income, the support would be lowered by the amount of her income.)

If the spouse does not work the 40 quarters, the support could theoretically be FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!

And this support contract cannot be mitigated by any pre-nup agreement. In fact, the way that family courts look at this situation, because of the unbalanced nature of the whole endeavor and language problems, pre-nups are by and large worthless.

Do you still think you want to do this? Now, if you decide to live in her country, it is totally different situation - and perhaps after you would have a family together, you could consider sponsoring her (since once you would have a kid together, you would want to be sponsoring her.)

With all that said, the former USSR is quite an interesting place, and dating there is great for the foreign man. At the very least, I would say that you need to be in a financial position that allows you to not work for at a year. I've met quite a few men who have retired and go there a lot.