Now she is pregnant

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by TizZle
Oh well.. Be more careful next time.
Birth control, condoms, and pull out before you shoot your wad or just don't have intercourse at all. You run certain risks when you have sex. I say man up and deal with this. A lot of women are against abortion and if she is one of them which obviously she is you can't make her get one. Make sure u get a pat test also. Here's a question that i would like to be answered.

If the woman didn't want the child but the man did could she still get an abortion without his consent if they knew it was going to be his child?

I have the same view about abortion if the man wants the child as well. If one parent wants that baby, there should be no abortion.

That doesn't happen as often, though. I think that is because the baby is part of the woman's body and as a result there is a much stronger attachment prior to the birth that a guy just can't really understand, even if he wants to.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Kaine
Notice how I said individual? Whether it be the male or female.

Anyone who wants to keep a child for the sake of keeping a "life" without guarantee of it's future IS selfish.

What are you trying to prove? Are you so self righteous? Are you trying to teach someone a lesson? Only have a child when you are ready to give it the life it deserves, that been two parents and a stable home.

Even if you have the means to support it as a single parent doesn't factor in the potential for the psychological damage it has in it's future.

As an aside making babies is the responsibility of both parties in most situations. I don't know how this happened but she wasn't forced to have sex with him.

Babies don't choose to be brought up in a broken home by immature 'kids'


Kaine

And there are thousands upon thousands of childless couples who DO want babies so badly they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on fertility programs to attempt to help them conceive.

Adoption is a hella lot better than murder due to irresponsible behavior. I've known three girls who got abortions late in highschool and each one of them are haunted by their choice and wish they had not done it. They carry horrible guilt as a result. There are other choices that are far better than murder.

 

[Wyldfire]

Re: Because you asked!!!

Originally posted by MacDiddy
Ok.... now that everyone has had their rant wrong or right, I'll offer some advice that may get you out of your predicament...

You need to pressure the girl to abort!!! Start of by getting back with her, comfort her, while slowing painting a picture of dispair if baby is had. Use NLP. Give her hope for the future, as long as she doesn't have baby... escalate the pressure.. Be a dastardly conniving schemer...

Else get her to sign a binding financial agreement absolving you from any responsibility for raising the child up... Failing that, leave the country... I'm assuming you are in a western country with tough family law courts...

Ok its all pretty cruel, but your not the first guy to have done it and you won't be the last.... keep that in mind as you make your informed decision...

You are a piece of sh*t. That is all...

 

[Centaurion]

Dont listen to all the rednecks here, and their archaic thinking, we live in the 21st century, not in some god damned religious place.

Think this through man.

How old are you? How old is she? Do you have a resonable steady income? How are you gonna raise the child? Are you/her/both of you in school? Are you ready for the responsibility of becoming a parent, is she?

I would strongly advice against keeping the baby, unless you have the financial means of taking care for your new 'family'. Sure, you made a mistake, and I hope that you have learnt something from this, but that doesnt mean that you have to screw up your life. I don't want to get into that whole pro/con abortion discussion, but at this time I would say that an abortion would be the best option for the both of you.

And also, be sure to get a paternity test, just to be 100% sure that the baby is yours.

 

[MacDiddy]

You are a piece of sh*t. That is all...

Now now Wyld, that is not all... What is it about a piece of $hit that turns you on??? (is that steam I see blowing out of your ears?)

Abortion is a very devisive issue as shown above by the fierce responses, and quite frankly, I wasn't surprised, but it seems that the pro-lifers here are the more vocal bunch than the pro-choice... No one dares to offer a competing opinion???... Well, I make no apologies for providing Gio with alternate advice...

I would commend him for taking on responsibilities, but nobody knows his situation and abortion is well and truly an option in those jurisdictions where it is legal...

That is all (not!)

 

[Dominus]

Originally posted by MacDiddy
Now now Wyld, that is not all... What is it about a piece of $hit that turns you on??? (is that steam I see blowing out of your ears?)

Oh, this'll be good...

 

[Dominus]

Originally posted by Centaurion
Dont listen to all the rednecks here, and their archaic thinking, we live in the 21st century, not in some god damned religious place.

Riiight...

Evidently, the very idea of life beginning at conception is archair redneck thinking. Nevermind that its a fairly common belief, across the globe. Why, don't 1 billion people in China mark their birthdays 9 months before they day they're actually born? I wonder why that is...

 

[MacDiddy]

Why, don't 1 billion people in China mark their birthdays 9 months before they day they're actually born? I wonder why that is...

You mean the same people that perform institutionize abortions because of the 1 child policy, the very same people that abort females so that they may have boys???

hmm... I give up!!

 

[Kaine]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
And there are thousands upon thousands of childless couples who DO want babies so badly they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on fertility programs to attempt to help them conceive.

Adoption is a hella lot better than murder due to irresponsible behavior. I've known three girls who got abortions late in highschool and each one of them are haunted by their choice and wish they had not done it. They carry horrible guilt as a result. There are other choices that are far better than murder.

I fail to see how your first paragraph has any relevance, but I like the term 'couple' as a good start to the road to responsible parenting.

As to your second point, are you suggesting that your teenage peers should have had the child to AVOID GUILT that they are served now? How's that for selfish.

Perhaps, it would've been better if they left school, went on welfare and bought up the child in single parent impoverished life?

If you believe it's wrong, then you deserve the guilt. Just leave the kid out of it, it didn't ask for a sh1tty life.


Kaine

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Centaurion
Dont listen to all the rednecks here, and their archaic thinking, we live in the 21st century, not in some god damned religious place.

Think this through man.

How old are you? How old is she? Do you have a resonable steady income? How are you gonna raise the child? Are you/her/both of you in school? Are you ready for the responsibility of becoming a parent, is she?

I would strongly advice against keeping the baby, unless you have the financial means of taking care for your new 'family'. Sure, you made a mistake, and I hope that you have learnt something from this, but that doesnt mean that you have to screw up your life. I don't want to get into that whole pro/con abortion discussion, but at this time I would say that an abortion would be the best option for the both of you.

And also, be sure to get a paternity test, just to be 100% sure that the baby is yours.

The girl has already told him she refuses to have an abortion...which means she doesn't want to kill her own flesh and blood.

Although I hate how frequently irresponsible people use abortion as if it were a form of birth control...I'm not against it being legal. I'm and simply ANTI-pressure a female to murder her unborn child. And I'm thoroughly disgusted by any person who is so selfish as to pressure another person to do something that will screw them up for the rest of their lives just to avoid responsibility.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by MacDiddy
Now now Wyld, that is not all... What is it about a piece of $hit that turns you on??? (is that steam I see blowing out of your ears?)

Abortion is a very devisive issue as shown above by the fierce responses, and quite frankly, I wasn't surprised, but it seems that the pro-lifers here are the more vocal bunch than the pro-choice... No one dares to offer a competing opinion???... Well, I make no apologies for providing Gio with alternate advice...

I would commend him for taking on responsibilities, but nobody knows his situation and abortion is well and truly an option in those jurisdictions where it is legal...

That is all (not!)

Yes, you are a piece of sh*t for encouraging him to not only pressure this girl but to mislead her, confuse her AND trick her into doing something she has already made it clear that she does NOT want to do.

You did not debate the issue of abortion. You advised this guy to lie, deceive, trick and mislead this girl to try to pressure her into doing something she doesn't want to do. This girl is not going to abort the baby. Eventually he is going to want to be part of his child's life and the advice you are giving him is going to cause that girl to despise him. Then he will have 18 years of deep resentment and anger to deal with. Hopefully he knows enough not to take your advice.

Sorry to disappoint you...but you don't "turn me on". There is no "steam coming out of my ears", either. I find your advice and view on this to be downright repulsive. If a guy doesn't want to end up becoming a father and being responsible for any child that is conceived by him then he should stick to cuffing his puppy and avoid having sex. Condoms are not 100% effective in preventing pregnancy and EVERY person knows that they risk pregnancy every time they have sex. Every guy knows that it will be the woman who ultimately decides whether that child will be born or not. You all KNOW this. If you don't want to be a father then don't have sex. But do NOT attempt to pressure the person with that unborn child inside their body to murder their flesh and blood. There is nothing wrong with not wanting to be a parent, but there IS something innately wrong about trying to force YOUR will onto another person...especially regarding something as precious as a human life that cannot defend itself.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Kaine
I fail to see how your first paragraph has any relevance, but I like the term 'couple' as a good start to the road to responsible parenting.

As to your second point, are you suggesting that your teenage peers should have had the child to AVOID GUILT that they are served now? How's that for selfish.

Perhaps, it would've been better if they left school, went on welfare and bought up the child in single parent impoverished life?

If you believe it's wrong, then you deserve the guilt. Just leave the kid out of it, it didn't ask for a sh1tty life.


Kaine

Each one of those girls who got abortions wished they had of kept their babies within a year of having the abortion. They regretted their choices.

I knew another girl in highschool who did not abort, but gave her baby up for adoption. She did not have the same guilt and emotional trauma as the other 3 girls had. She now has a relationship with the son she gave up.

One of my sisters got pregnant at 17 years old and gave birth her senior year of high school. She kept her daughter. She is thankful she did, because she was never able to have another child. Yes, it was hard work for her, but she still graduated from highschool and is very successful in life. She owns 4 homes, has a good job, has been married to the same man (not her daughter's father) for over 25 years. Her daughter was 3 when she married. She didn't meet her biological father until she was 18 years old. He didn't want her in the beginning, but he adores her now and is thankful she was born. I've known a lot of girls who had a baby before graduating who ended up just fine.

Again, my point is...it is far less traumatic for a girl to choose adoption if she isn't able to keep the baby.

 

[dearsappho]

Next the pro-lifers will be picketing graveyards...

Go with her to the clinic if she aborts...plenty of loose women there.

Seriously tho...get her to put 'father unknown' on the birth cert and block it out of your mind.

Its only a kid. Most preganancies are unwanted anyway so its no biggie.

 

[MacDiddy]

long and controversial!!!

Ahhh!!! Don't you just love to get a woman all riled up!!!

Following quotes by Wyld:
Yes, you are a piece of sh*t for encouraging him to not only pressure this girl but to mislead her, confuse her AND trick her into doing something she has already made it clear that she does NOT want to do

Again... what is it about a piece of **** thats getting you all hot and bothered... I'm simply laying all the best possible course of actions with which Gio can make an informed decision. You make such a big deal about how the "women" feels, that you forget that this is a "mans" forum." What about how Gio feels and what about his future... Whats best for poor ol' Gio!!!!!

You did not debate the issue of abortion.

Now why would I wanna stoop that low???

The girl has already told him she refuses to have an abortion...which means she doesn't want to kill her own flesh and blood.

But with a bit of persuasion she can be convinced to change her mind!! And when she does, she'll be ok with it.. As long as its her decision too.... I don't see anything wrong with a bit of mild influence... And neither does the law!!! Of course this is in stark contrast to physical force, which is wrong!!

You advised this guy to lie, deceive, trick and mislead this girl to try to pressure her into doing something she doesn't want to do.

Thats a bit harsh Wyld!!!, I prefer to call it influencing or councilling..In any event, that probably puts me in the same category as most presidential political advisers... I'm in good company...
Men the world over have been using this ploy to get laid. Women the world over have been using this to get what they want too from poor AFC to provide for kids that weren't even theirs.... No biggie..

the advice you are giving him is going to cause that girl to despise him.

Anybody ever had an ex that didn't despise them after they had dumped ya??? Again ... no biggie... It's called moving on!!!!

If a guy doesn't want to end up becoming a father and being responsible for any child that is conceived by him then he should stick to cuffing his puppy and avoid having sex.

*cough* yeah like thats gonna happen...

I see you have your strong views that are a result of your own social upbringing, and you are a women and hence your staunch stand for womens well being... but your not a man and you'll never be able to comprehend what he will go thru... (child support, access disputes, court hearings, legal fees) Your only advise is to guilt men into taking responsibilities for the women and the pregnancy... without any consideration for the guys life...

dearsappho wrote: Next the pro-lifers will be picketing graveyards...

They'll be picketing the sosuave server next!!!

 

[diplomatic_lie]

Do you know how f*cking high your parenting payments will eventually be? You're basically throwing away part of your income for a kid you don't even want.

And as for the kid, he's probably going to have a sh*t life and end up with a career at McDonalds. I assume you are both teenagers? I've never seen teenagers raise successful kids.


If she refuses to abort, change your identity. Become Christophe Colon, Spanish wrestler and explorer! Or Adolf Galand, German fighter pilot and fisherman! The opportunities are boundless!

 

[b's nuts]

2PAC said it best:

"and since a man can't make one, he has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one"

I don't think i need to say anymore.

 

[squirrels]

This thread is just a stupid back-and-forth moral debate.

gio, you play, you pay. Sorry 'bout your luck.

What happens now is between you and your girl. Regardless of all the people preaching one side or the other, it's really no one else's business and posting it here on SoSuave isn't going to do any good...there's nothing we can help you with.

Hope it works out for you, one way or the other. Next time, wear a damn condom.

 

[italostud]

Punch her in the stomach...hard!

 

[Dominus]

Originally posted by dearsappho
Its only a kid. Most preganancies are unwanted anyway so its no biggie.

Its only a kid? bwah?

 

[Dominus]

Originally posted by diplomatic_lie
And as for the kid, he's probably going to have a sh*t life and end up with a career at McDonalds. I assume you are both teenagers? I've never seen teenagers raise successful kids.

By that standard, every pregnant woman in a third world country should have an abortion. Their kid is almost certainly going to have a worse life than anyone in the US. We've got it pretty damned good here.

Adoption is the best bet.