Non American girl is really throwing me off...please help!

[spiegel549]

Hey whats up guys! This non american broad has me confused...I need some solid advice please!

I had this 19 year old girl approach me a week ago and ask me out on a date. Really surprised me because she was very confident, and carried herself really well. She was born in the states but raised in Israel her whole life until about 2 months ago. So really she nothing like the typical 19 year old American girl...(thats were I get confused)

1st date was awesome, went running on the beach (as she originally asked me for the first date) we had a blast, had some lunch afterwards. I had her laughing, smiling, having a good time.

The thing is she is NOTHING like an American girl. Like the usual flirty expressions and sayings you would use on a girl, she didn't understand what they mean lol...I really like the fact that she is so different, and its like trying something that I never tasted before so to speak. Over all thought awesome 1st date.

So a few days went by and I set up date #2 for this Sunday. She asked what the plans were and I wouldn't tell her, told her its a surprise flirted with her a bit. She was back flirting and begging me to tell her. I wouldn't budge. After I got off the phone late into the night I get a drunk text from her. Asking about the date lol...flirting started, she sent me a photo of her in this sexy dress, we went back and forth, she said she was really into me etc.

So I call today to confirm tomorrows date, no answer, I leave a VM "hey its Tom hope your having a nice day, give me a shout when your free." 6 hours later...no response....so I text her "Hey Nicole, I am picking you up at 12 tomorrow, were going to be outside and its gonna be hot so wear something cute."

As soon as I text that she calls me. She said sorry have been super busy I have been shopping with a friend and still in the middle of shopping lol..we had some good laughs back and forth and I said so I'll see you tomorrow? She goes "Well....I am kinda feeling sick....but I am feeling better." I am thinking...didn't she say she wasn't feeling well? shes shopping, and about to bail...this sucks...so

I said listen if you aren't feeling well or don't want to go let me know, no problem. She goes "No no what makes you think I don't want to go with you tomorrow?" I said if your not feeling well we can reschedule. I wanted to take you to the grove (big outdoor shopping mall with restaurants) She goes "ohh that sounds like a lot of fun, of course I wanna go." We shared a few more laughs and we are set for tomorrow at 12.

Heres the thing. She is confusing. Not being raised in America, the rules and the way I would normally handle things with the typical american raised girl with the dating game don't seem to apply with her lol...

What do you guys think? I am not looking for a hit it and quit it. Shes a blast, but I don't want to invest time and money for her to bail down the road. Opinions???

 

[d!ckmojo]

There is a dichotomy of female desire that you have to understand. It stems from the division between the intelligent neo-frontal cortex part of the brain and the pre-civilisation mammalian limbic system.

What you're thinking is that cultural programming of the neo-frontal cortex has a big influence on women's mating and courtship behaviours, but actually, it does not.

That's why "attraction isn't a choice", because it occurs in the mammalian limbic system part of the brain, below the conscious level of thought.

All women are wired the same way, regardless of culture, and if you don't act like an alpha male, you will turn women off.

The wishy-washy, indecisive text messages you already sent her were sooo un-alpha that you've probably already destroyed the original attraction she had for you in her mammalian limbic system brain.

Don't over think it! The DJ principles are ALWAYS sound, in EVERY situation.

You're making this harder than it really is, BE A MAN.

 

[spiegel549]

There is a dichotomy of female desire that you have to understand. It stems from the division between the intelligent neo-frontal cortex part of the brain and the pre-civilisation mammalian limbic system.

What you're thinking is that cultural programming of the neo-frontal cortex has a big influence on women's mating and courtship behaviours, but actually, it does not.

That's why "attraction isn't a choice", because it occurs in the mammalian limbic system part of the brain, below the conscious level of thought.

All women are wired the same way, regardless of culture, and if you don't act like an alpha male, you will turn women off.

The wishy-washy, indecisive text messages you already sent her were sooo un-alpha that you've probably already destroyed the original attraction she had for you in her mammalian limbic system brain.

Don't over think it! The DJ principles are ALWAYS sound, in EVERY situation.

You're making this harder than it really is, BE A MAN.

Awesome reply, informational, and BLUNT (which I love) Be the Alpha Male, I will sometimes let emotions get in the way of making manly moves/decisions. Could you throw a few pointers at me please, like examples of how I can be the Alpha Male in my situation? Maybe recover?

 

[backbreaker]

My wife is from right outside of London, when i met her she hadn't been in the states 3 months.

There are somethings as far as actually that stand out about her, but as far as attraction, you game women from LA just like you game women from Tokyo just like you game women from Paris.

all this **** is in your head. you value the fact that she is not from here, and everything that she does that you dont' know you attribute to it being beucase she isn't from here. this is a head came you are playing with yourself.

you have made this situation in your head that does not exist. she likes you lol. if she didn't she would have jumped bail the first exit you gave her she didn't.

just pretend it never happened, make sure you do something fun and exciting on the date to remind her why she likes you. i do think you are at a crossroad, you will get the date but you need to bring it. dinner and a movie isn't going to cut it right now.

 

[spiegel549]

My wife is from right outside of London, when i met her she hadn't been in the states 3 months.

There are somethings as far as actually that stand out about her, but as far as attraction, you game women from LA just like you game women from Tokyo just like you game women from Paris.

all this **** is in your head. you value the fact that she is not from here, and everything that she does that you dont' know you attribute to it being beucase she isn't from here. this is a head came you are playing with yourself.

you have made this situation in your head that does not exist. she likes you lol. if she didn't she would have jumped bail the first exit you gave her she didn't.

just pretend it never happened, make sure you do something fun and exciting on the date to remind her why she likes you. i do think you are at a crossroad, you will get the date but you need to bring it. dinner and a movie isn't going to cut it right now.

I totally see it brother. The head game I am playing with myself. She is still a female that is attracted to me regardless were she is from. Women are women correct?

I am taking her to a place called "The Grove." Its a big outdoor shopping mall, beautiful scenery, great restaurants, and shops. Your from Cali you know it I am sure. I am going to bring my A-Game tomorrow. Any last minute tips/advice please?

I haven't kissed her yet. Tomorrow might be it. Should I be flirty, try holding her hand? Take control and just go for it?

I value your advice greatly, and appreciate you taking the time to help me.

 

[d!ckmojo]

Any last minute tips/advice please?

I haven't kissed her yet. Tomorrow might be it. Should I be flirty, try holding her hand? Take control and just go for it?

I value your advice greatly, and appreciate you taking the time to help me.

Play it cool at the start. Lean back, angle your body language away from her, don't be too clown-ish. Make her feel like she has to qualify herself to you. Be strong on the kino though, touch her within the first few minutes and keep on touching her every few minutes after that. Not indecisively either, touch her like her body is within your sphere of influence, as if her person is a part of the empire that you control.

Try to make her laugh, but try not to laugh too much yourself. Its good if you're both laughing, but you want her to be the one laughing harder than you are.

Plan how long you want to spend in one location, and plan a place to bounce to. Typically you will need three locations: 1) attraction building location 2) comfort building location 3) seduction location.

Don't spend too long in the attraction building phase if she's already buying but. If she's warm and displaying lots of IOI's, positive body language, laughing at your jokes, stroking her hair, playing with the stem of her wine-glass, etc, quickly bounce to comfort building phase and start escalating compliance tests. When you feel that she is strongly compliant, suggest the bounce back to your pad for seduction to commence.

When you get her back to your pad (or her pad, or wherever isolated location 3 happens to be), play it real cool again, all non-chalant and disinterested in sex. Show her cool things and interesting stuffs, and slowly get her comfortable in your environment (if its in her environment, make yourself comfortable in her home and comment on interesting stuff she might have).

Eventually lead the interaction into the bedroom and get her sitting/lying on the bed. Once you're in bed with her, its time to really ramp up the aggressiveness. But go two steps forward/one step back. Move aggressively forward and then accuse her of moving too fast. Take her clothes off, then put them back on. Then take them off again, then tell her "you're such a siren, I don't normally do this" and sh1t like that.

Smell the back of her neck, pull the hair at the back of her head. Hit her and choke her. Bite her hard so that she squeals, but always de-escalate for a while in between aggressive moves forward. Pretty soon she'll be begging for sex.

 

[HeadLightsOn]

Hit her and choke her. Bite her hard so that she squeals,

Oh Gawd I am HOWLING at this comment. Casanova on acid? :box:

 

[flashpoint]

is there even a problem here? she said she was feeling a bit sick and because of that unsure if she wanted to go. realize that there is a difference between going shopping with a friend and going out with a guy you like. she wants to look and feel best when she is with you, that is all.

and i cant see why keeping on doing what has worked for you so far, shouldnt be the road to take. everything is fine, dont try to fix it.

 

[spiegel549]

*Update* Could use some "next step" guidance please men!

Men thank you all for your guidance. I really pulled off this 2nd date due to taking a bit of all of your advice and adding my own personal touch to it.

I picked her up, took her to that outdoor shopping place, and I was the Alpha male to the max. It felt SO GOOD to not hesitate, and question myself 100 times before making a move. I made confident decisions on what to eat where to go etc and she loved it. I wanted to hold her hand...so I grabbed her hand and held it.

She was 100% comfortable with it to! As soon as I grabbed her hand she squeezed my hand tightly and didn't let go the entire time it was fantastic.

Ok so after a fun filled day, I was sorta debating to invite her back to my place....so I said to myself WTF!? "you want to come over and watch some movies?" she goes.."yes I do that sounds fun!"

Went back to my place, she cuddled right up with me on the couch, was comfortable with my arm around her etc. Now we talked a lot, I didn't get into ex convos and any of that "guy friend" ****. But heard her out on one short story were she was hurt in the past so she said she has her guard up and she likes to take things slow with guys she likes. I angled myself close to her face a few times and I can tell she was blushing and a little bit uncomfortable with a kiss so i didn't push it..

I drove her home, set up the next date for wed/thurs and SHE said "I had a lot of fun, call me wednesday and lets get together this week." Went to kiss her and she turned her head and gave me a kiss on the cheek and a big hug.

So I think I am in a great position...what do you think men? My main question is contacting her before wednesday? Good/bad idea...if I never broke that rule and called her that one night we would of never got into that back and forth flirty night were she basically said she was really into me...so should I stick with what I have been doing, a little bit of flirty texting in between dates?

Advice/Guidance for the next step, seriously THANK YOU!

 

[d!ckmojo]

Good job!

Now go ghost.. that's my opinion, but maybe someone else begs to differ?

 

[backbreaker]

Actually, I think you are pretty ****ed lol. I mean, you didn’t really do anything wrong. I just don’t thinks he lkes you like that.

You have to learn to look past all the smoke and mirrors. There is only really one thing that matters here. You went in for a kiss twice, and she gave you the dikembe mutombo finger wag both times

The arm around the neck the hand holding, none of that **** matters. I mean it’s not bad but that’s not a “point” or a “sign”. A girl that likes you or is at least entertaining the thought of dating you has no problem kissing you on a 2nd date. I mean **** we aren’t talking about a blow job or fingering a girl or anything a ****ing kiss. Do you know how easy it is to get a kiss form a girl? It’s pretty ****ing easy.

Okay buddy here is the deal lol. this is actually a tough one so I will try to help you out. I think she has SOME feelings for you, but like right now she is acting like she is setting up an air tight “I never gave you the wrong impression, we never kissed we never did X” LJBF line. Now using some DJ logic here, if she is setting up this, there has to bea reason she is setting this up.. in other words, she likes you enough to entertain you but she doesn’t like you enough to give you the idea that you are number 1 on her plate. She wants to maintain plsuable deniability for later. In short what I am trying to say is, I don’t’ care what shet ells you, there is an EX or another guy in the picture who is number 1.

This is what you do, this might or might not work.. it depends on who this guy is and what she means to him. The objective here, is to convert let her know that you got better **** to do if she’s going to sit around and play this patty cake kiss on the cheek bull****. You can’t come out and tell her this isn’t gonna work but you need to show her she needs to speed the program up. Now, if you are strictly a backup plan, this won’t’ work, she will just cut bait, but if that is the cse, she was gonna cut it anyway. If you are about equal with the other guy with him having a slight edge, maybe another guy she just met a week earlier or something, this might give you the upper hand

Go, 10000% ghost. Do not contact her, don’t’ respond to any texts, phone calls, emails, whatever the **** you can think of don’t do it. Fall off the face of the earth. Later, she will ask why and just say you you’ve been tied up.
I want to tell you that you have to trust your judgment on this but I don’t know you gthat well, so I will say, wait 6 days.. I don’t care what she emails you or leave a message or text you, don’t’ respond. On the 6th day, CALL her (no text or email) and asy you have a lot of **** going on, but you want to touch base with her, I’ll take you to starbucks for 20 or so minutes and buy you a cup of coffee. Show up dressed to the 9. Don’t ask questions just trust me lol. dress like you have somewhere big to go later that night. not saying like, suit dress but dress like you want to impress someone.
Stay there absolutely no longer than 15-20 minutes, I don’t care how great the conversation is going, I don’t care if she start blowing you in the middle of starbucks.. well if she starts blowing you in the middle of starbucks you might want to stay but you get what I mean. Have hard limit of 20 mins max. tell her you got a lot of **** going on, if she asks you to get specific, don’t lol. tell her it’s none of her business. She will eventually ask you if you are seeing someone else, don’t’ tell her no but don’t deny it either tell her that she has her life going on and you have yours going on but you like her company.

She will call you / txt you that night, don’t’ respond. Wait 2-3 days, she will call you, she will try to setup a meeting to see you, whatever she says, tell her you have plans but you do want to see her the next day, come to you house you will cook dinner and tell her it will be a surprise.

*figure out how to cook something lol*

I would cook something heavy like a good sirloin steak and potatoes. 95 out of 100 women don’t’ know the first thing about wine. Break out a bottle of Blackstone Merlot, preferably the 2010 , and tell her that you have been hearing good things about this and want to test it out with her. Because she’s a girl and wants to feel cultured she is going to be happy to obligate, and she’s gonna think you have some culture to you and that will impress her. what she doesn’t’ know is that you can run in any liquor store in California and get it for about 10-12 dollars lol. but we don’t’ have to tell her that lol. let’s let her think she is really doing something special. She’ll like it because it has a sweet taste to it it’s somewhat but not overly fruity. My wife kills it by the bottle, it’s her everyday wine that she drinks when watching TV with me.

If at any point she is going to want you, it’s gonna be now. What you have done at this point is you have covertly told her that you have other options and you don’t have time to wait around while she gives you pecks on the cheek. But you did it all without coming out and saying it. In her mind she’s put 2 and 2 together she knows there is competition. Or thinks there it is.
After dinner put in a movie, go in HARD for the kiss. **** holding hands, ****ing putting your arm around her shoulder, grab her face/turn it to you, look her dead square in the eye, and put your tounge half way down her throat while cuffing her breasts with your hand, while whispering to her that you want her so bad. Do this with zero hesitation. If all this works right, you will have the best sex of your life this night lol she will **** your brains out like sex was an Oympic game and ****ing you was the qualifier . Lol damn this sounds like some **** out of 50 shades of gray lol. Most likely she will respond in kind. If not, finish the movie, great her good night and never call her again, she doesn’t want you.

Honestly, li’m married, but this **** here, this is the ONLY thing I miss about being single. Not even the sex, the cat and mouse ****, I love this ****. Not enough to cheat on my wife who I know will read this lol, but it was fun. This is what I liked more than anything, just breaking them down like this. Take a girl from pecking you on the check to whispering in your ear how she cant’ stop thinking about riding your **** in 2 weeks.

Lol you hear guys tell you all the time “man women are so complicated”. They really aren’t. in fact for the most part they are quite simple once you have dated a few and played the field. They all have the same tricks and they all think they are super slick with the **** they do but it’s all the same just in different wrappers.

 

[switch]

QUOTE: had this 19 year old girl approach me a week ago and ask me out on a date

when a girl asks you out, its not for dating...there is some other agenda in her mind. your first sentence is a whole red flag

you should have rejected her date and never gone after this girl from the first place

just my weird experience in words

 

[VladPatton]

It's a little weird that SHE asked you out initially, then she's wants to take it slow. Bit of a black and white thing going on there.

Go ghost for a few days and see what happens. You may be overlooking the 2 strike rule. She may also be a bit too young for anything serious, and she definitely doesn't seem to want to bang any time soon.

Go NC and gauge her from there.

 

[spiegel549]

BACKBREAKER- I literally laughed out loud with the "I don't care if she is blowing you at Starbucks." F****** HILARIOUS!! hahahaha.

Bro I am pretty sure you hit the nail on the head. Its hard to go with 100% of what someones advice is when they are not in the situation, which you understand but I feel you are extremely accurate. Hear me out..

I agree with you when you say she has SOME feelings for me like you said, she is definitely into me based on our convos we had on my couch...telling me she was attracted to me etc. allowed me to touch her but like you said DOESNT REALLY MEAN **** without the kiss, which leads me into what you said MAYBE ITS BETWEEN ME AND SOME OTHER CHUMP

***Important Update***
Sitting on my couch, when she mentioned she was hurt in the past, and that she moves slow with guys, that her last BF it took her several months before she started to sleep with him...and that she was dating a guy RIGHT BEFORE she moved to the USA. I asked in a joking manor sorta something like "well its not like he is still your BF or your still dating him right?" She gave me a blank stare.....and changed the subject...and I said "woah woah...you have a BF still!?" She blushed and responded all shy saying..."It doesn't matter..." I laughed and said it does matter lol....she goes "No I don't..I am not dating him anymore." Besides that just another note** she mentions about having a lot of guy friends...and every time she brings them up to me I respond like everythings cool and then she always seems to make a strong point that she sees them just as friends and nothing more. Trying to test my ***?

SO let me tell you that between her facial expression and body language after I asked about the bf..I feel she either is still with this guy and its about to break off due to me (making her mind up) OR she JUST broke off with him since she met me...still has feelings for this other guy so doesn't want to push to fast with me? I MEAN WHATS THE TRUTH BEHIND I HAVE BEEN HURT IN THE PAST SO I LIKE TO TAKE THINGS SLOW Is there truth behind that when a broad says that???

**Final Detail**
Last night a few hours after I dropped her off she texted me a photo that we took of herself and me while we were out and she texted with the pic "thought you might want this." Whatever that means, she is thinking about me? Gauging my reaction? i texted back "Thanks, pic came out great." "You pulling another late nighter?" she responds "haha I wish, I gotta get up early tomorrow." I didn't respond and fell asleep.

**Final Thoughts**

I am in no rush to sleep with this girl.. Honestly I want a relationship with a woman...I worked on a ship in entertainment for the past 4 years where I did nothing but bang different women 3 times a week and I am ready to have 1 broad and relax.

So at the end of the day...I don't want to spend time & money on a woman that is just going to pull some **** move in a month or two. Really the only way to know is to ride it out...I am not a back up guy, and I am not a rebound guy. I am a quality rare guy and if she wants me she better jump on board or her *** will be left behind. I mean she is living in the US a total of 3 weeks...still job searching etc. Can I really expect her to get really really committed and into me so fast?? Shouldn't I give her some time and let her settle in/see how it goes? Or is that a beta male move?

 

[backbreaker]

you aren't listening.'

you don't treat women who you want a realtionship with any differently than you treat women who you are just having casual sex with, at least at the beginning.

all relationships are built on ATTRACTION. let me ask you this, if you try to do this **** on her timetable what exactly do you think will happen. do you think there will be one day she is over your house and she's just going to tear your clothes off and you are going to start having hot monkey sex for hours on end? hell no beucse if she felt that way about you, you'd be ****ing right now.

she's using sex as a trump card. women who actually like a guy and want to be with them, dont' dangle the carrot of sex over their heads.

stop analying everything she is saying and doing, and do exactly what i told you to do because if you do anything else, she's done. stop trying to ****ing rationalize the bull **** she is feeling you beucase it's just that.


I mean **** listen dude. you said it in your own ****ing post lol. she has a lot of guy friends. do you know what that means in laymen's terms? most guys here will tell you that she's looking to have sex with them and she's a slut and they are dead wrong. what that means, is that every last ****ing guy who tried to talk to her came up with the exact same ****ing game plan that you came up with, and every last one of them missed their chance beucase they tried to do **** on her terms. and yiou are doing the same **** and she's showing you right now, hey this is what you don't do to try tog et with me.

she tries to control the scope of every relationship and she's hot so most guys think if they can show her that they love her "for her" and not push sex that she will reward them with companionship, but beucse they lose their edge she stops being attracted to them and puts them as friends. and you,m are doing the same **** right now.

do exactly what i told you to do. otherwise you will be friend number 10058

look, my wife is HOT. she's british, she's almost 6'0, she's got long sexy legs, and she's not a jerk or a ***** she's very good natured. she wasn't here 3 months and already had went on about 10 first dates. guys just lined up. there was one guy in particular who i came to know, and my wife.. she's very reserved, she's not a prude, but she's classy and a lot of guys walk on egg shells with her beucsae of it. one guy who stuck out just took that to a new level, he'd take her out and she would tell him how nice of a guy he is but she wasn't ready to make that move to the next step yet. this went on for bout 2 months or so before i met my wife.

on the first date with my wife, we were all over each other by the endo f the date. by the second date, which was approx, a week and a half after i actually met her she let it be known she was open to having sex with me. and actually got kinda pissy when i turned it down. the guy friend got all pissy and called her names and stuff beucase she "lied" to him but it was his fault; she nefver was attracted to him beucase he never treated her like someone he was very attracted to.

you want to know what I did? it wasn't magic, it wasn't some super secret DJ moves.. i simply treated her like a girl i wanted to **** and not a girl i put on some imaginary pedastool. i neged her, i joked around with her, it touched her, i went in for the kill on our first date.. i didn't' get it, but it wasn't one of those i don't like you didn't get it it was more like, i don't want you to think i'm a ***** you didn't get it.

treat the girl like you want to **** her not like you want to marry her. if hse's the right girl all that stuff will come in time, but you are dropping the ball right now big time.

 

[spiegel549]

BACKBREAKER--Bare with me brother..I appreciate all the help I really do!

You have given me solid well needed blunt advise. YOU WOKE MY A** UP. I SEE IT.I DO NOT want to be one of those wait around, give her time, work on her schedule, friend zoned F***s. Like half of the guy friends she has.

One main question I need you to please Clarify with me..

Make my moves like I am trying to **** her instead of trying to get into a relationship with her.

If I switch into trying to **** her mode...I am very aggressive, don't really care about opening the door for her, a lot of crap that I have been doing...she will notice I have stopped..

Its going to be a big 180. So do I stick to my guns? Or still keep some basic gentlemen crap. I.E. opening the door etc. I don't turn into a big D*** I am still fun and friendly flirty etc I just don't go out of my way to open doors etc. IS THAT OK?

I have been opening the door for her and she said "I can get the door myself." Should I take that as OK **** it get it yourself lol? Or keep doing it?

I don't mean to go back/forth with what you are saying..I know I HAVE to do what you are saying...it is just hard for me to treat someone like I want to **** them when I really want more...any tips please?

 

[yuppaz]

Holy sh*t you're getting bad advice here. Just keep doing what your already doing. Slow is fine, her approaching you is fine too just means she is actually attracted to you. Just do your thing, it's perfectly fine.

 

[thevilittletroll]

something to keep in mind, when a girl says she has lots of guy friends. it means she has lots of guys that are trying to f-uck me. and she loves the attention. and dont believe for a second that she's not already f-ucking one or a couple of them. you are just one of the guys who isnt. once you've been on a date with a girl and she does not allow you to escalate physically on her there is an attraction problem. physical escaltion is the ultimate compliance test to determine her attraction and interest levels. dont believe anything that she says and everything about how she reacts to your touch. backbreaker is spot on with his advice. make your move, if she shoots it down, try again, try again, try again. if she does not allow you to escalate she's not attracted to you, but wants to take advantage of your friendship. dont do it, she has lots of other guy friends she can do that to. one last thing, if she's european, those cultures tend to be very sexually open minded, so it should be really easy to f-uck her.

 

[spiegel549]

something to keep in mind, when a girl says she has lots of guy friends. it means she has lots of guys that are trying to f-uck me. and she loves the attention. and dont believe for a second that she's not already f-ucking one or a couple of them. you are just one of the guys who isnt. once you've been on a date with a girl and she does not allow you to escalate physically on her there is an attraction problem. physical escaltion is the ultimate compliance test to determine her attraction and interest levels. dont believe anything that she says and everything about how she reacts to your touch. backbreaker is spot on with his advice. make your move, if she shoots it down, try again, try again, try again. if she does not allow you to escalate she's not attracted to you, but wants to take advantage of your friendship. dont do it, she has lots of other guy friends she can do that to. one last thing, if she's european, those cultures tend to be very sexually open minded, so it should be really easy to f-uck her.

Completely agree. She is Israeli...claims to have broke up with an ex right before moving here (a month ago) but like you said "Don't believe what comes out of there mouths." Myself and many of my friends have heard the famous "I am not a ***** I don't give it up that easy." Then a few drinks later your banging her in your car.

Because of the fact she let me touch her so much, and DID NOT retract, just blushed, I have to say she wants it. Date #3 coming up, I am going for it. Worse case she rejects...I try again right!? I don't wanna be the beta guy that SHE approached that won't make a move **** that.

 

[VladPatton]

I'd go with backbreaker's advice. Phuck it all and phuckin no regrets. The last thing you wanna be is the nice guy who ain't bangin her just like all the other chump-diggities orbiting her. At least you'll know she isn't interested and you can cut your losses. Don't put her up on that pedastal. Remember, she can phuck your world up nicely if you get too attached at this stage.

Good luck, and dom't get pu$$y tunnel vision.