NO ONE here had a worse christmas here than me...

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Just ignore the fvcktards on this thread. They obviously have reading-comprehension problems, feel sorry for them instead.

Originally posted by backbreaker
Rational or not, I'll be damned if someone breaks in my house and I have absolutly no way to protect myself. I live by myself and I have no kids, no threat of a child getting a gun and going physco
Self defense stars with the self. I'm not going to weigh in on the moral aspect of owning a firearm because I have no desire to start a debate and I have no time for small minds. That being said, allow me to make some suggestions:

1.) If you are buying a handgun do yourself the favor of getting something with stopping power. No, a 9mm does not count. You need something that is going to blow holes in your target because if the guy breaking in is high on drugs or just plain mean he'll take a few 9mm rounds and not mind it much. Get yourself at least a .40 cal or a .45 cal handgun. They both fire pretty good sized rounds that will put holes in your target and if you miss they just sound mean. A 9mm, or even worse a .22, will go "pop, pop, pop," whereas a .40 or .45 will go "bang motherfvcker!" Psychological intimidation helps sometimes.

2.) Get hollow-point rounds, also called hollow-tip. They will expand inside the target when it is hit, thus causing more damage and giving you more stopping power. It’s all about knocking the guy down and making sure his azz stays down. It also may not exit the target, which is good because you may not want to hit whatever is behind what you are shooting at. Remember that bullets go through walls too.

3.) Go practice with your new firearm. Do yourself the favor of getting used to how your new firearm works, how much it kicks when you shoot it, learn to shoot straight etc. You should use regular rounds for practice though.

4.) Keep your new firearm clean. Cleaning kits don't cost near as much as the weapon so go pick up one. The same guy who sells you the gun should also have a cleaning kit.

5.) If you buy a semi-auto do yourself the favor of buying more than one magazine. If you buy a revolver then get yourself some speed loaders.

Semi-auto vs. revolver is really up to you. Semi-autos can have a higher rate of fire and reload faster. Revolvers won't jam and don't throw spent rounds around the room. Of course some or none of the above may be true for any specific semi-auto or revolver, so your mileage may vary.
 

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thanks, i have never fired a gun in my life and know very little about them... the info is greatly appricated.
 

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Don't forget the 12-guage. One shell of 00 buck contains more lead than a 10-round 9mm clip. Chambering a round makes a nice intimidating noise, probably about the last thing a thief would ever want to hear. The effectiveness of the shotgun as a weapon is indicated by the way that so many law enforcement personnel use them. For home defense, they make legal 12-guages with 18.5" barrels.

Regarding pistols, I am more partial to revolvers for their simplicity. They don't jam or slice your hand if you grip them incorrectly. I have a S&W .357 revolver that I like. It is a hand cannon. .357s also shoot .38 shells, which are slightly smaller but considerably cheaper, so target practice is not so expensive. A Smith and Wesson will hold its value nearly forever. Don't get a snub nose if you have never had one. Most people could not hit their own foot with one. My .357 has a six inch barrel, which I find to be a nice compromise. After an afternoon of practice, you would be able to hit a body across a room. Without practice, a handgun is close to useless. It is true that semiautos reload more quickly, but according to FBI research, the vast majority of gun fights that take place in residences are over in less than three shots.

Also consider that if someone breaks into your home and you shoot them, unless they were pointing a gun at you at the time, you may very well get sued. Even if you kill the robber, his relatives can sue. This is part of why I like my dogs better than my guns. If someone breaks down a door with a beware of dog sign on it, and then gets eaten by dogs, a judge is not going to have much sympathy. It's different when you shoot someone. Dogs attack on their own, but guns require you to make the decision to kill someone. You are only justified in using deadly force if a reasonable person would be certain that they were about to be very seriously hurt or killed. The dead guy could have a great lawyer who makes you out to be a gun-nut vigilante.
 

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Sorry to hear about your xmas. Could be worse. I dont even have family so my xmas is sitting by myself watching tv and eating chips. I dont celebrate it anymore because there is no one to celebrate with.
 

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Originally posted by TheRelic
Assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups.

But I am glad you found some help here.
mother, brother, any uva sucker
 

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that really suck man. I emphathize with your situation. You got screw every which way. I hope new year will turn out better for you.
 

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Just don't go wild and fire 10 rounds into a thief (then another 20 into their lifeless corpse) unless they're armed too.

A friend of mine prefers to fire in the vincinity of the area, which scares most thieves (except for professional hitmen, but you can't do much about them).
 

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dude sorry to hear that man, I have been recently robed as well. I was in the shower when I heard a knock on the door. So I came outside and opened the door. Nobody there. Suddenly, I heard some dude say "over here" from the backyard. He came running around the house to the door. I said "hey, who you after mate?" He started pretending he was after some guy named Mike. I asked him what address he was after. He gave me a very vague answer. I told him there was no Mike here, so he left. I then heard his car which suddenly made me click. We have a long drive way and this guy had parked his car right up our garage with the boot facing the garage. I then realised this guy wanted to break in.

After a while when I was looking for my stuff I realised that my house keys, car keys and cell phone were missing. Thats when I called the cops and realised I got done. This dude had used the back window to get in and when he saw me coming, he ran to the front.

But anyway, yea it sucks big time when stuff like that happens especially during christmas. Good on you for taking care of your sister.
 

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Originally posted by diplomatic_lies
Just don't go wild and fire 10 rounds into a thief (then another 20 into their lifeless corpse) unless they're armed too.

A friend of mine prefers to fire in the vincinity of the area, which scares most thieves (except for professional hitmen, but you can't do much about them).

What about shooting the guy in the knees as he's running away?

He won't get far after that, and it's not a life-threatening place to get shot.
 

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Drag

Hell of a drag. Definitely sucks.

But you made a good point about some having it worse.

A woman I recently met just had to take her mom off life support.

And a penniless friend got fired from the first decent job he's had in a while right before Xmas because he was late too many times on account of having to rely on Detroit's absurdly unreliable and infrequent bus service might have you beat. Merry Fvcking Christmas to his employer, too!
 

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Noone noticed guys carrying out all of that stuff through the front door or heard the sound of the front door getting kicked in?

Somethings wrong in Denmark and doesn't jive?

I would start crackin' your neighbors' backs and get your sh1t back. One of 'em knows something.
 

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Re: Drag

Originally posted by Bonhomme
And a penniless friend got fired from the first decent job he's had in a while right before Xmas because he was late too many times on account of having to rely on Detroit's absurdly unreliable and infrequent bus service might have you beat. Merry Fvcking Christmas to his employer, too!
May plagues of boiles cover his and his Mothers arses'.
 

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Originally posted by Page
What about shooting the guy in the knees as he's running away?

He won't get far after that, and it's not a life-threatening place to get shot.

One of my closest friends is a Deputy Sheriff and he once gave me extremely sound advice if I were to ever shoot someone running away from me. Make damned sure that the guy is shot again through the exit wound. This way the M.E. or forensics cannot determine which shot came first.

Back in my ham and egger days, I worked nights and I was cleaning up and closing shop when I heard a faint pop. I peeped out the rear door and saw some vagrant c0cksucker in my car ripping out my stereo. I grabbed my cannon and went out the front door. I got 15 feet from the car and the b1tch saw the business end of my 357 and took off running behind the next door restaurant. It was foolish but I shot off 4 rounds in the darkened alleyway then called the fuzz.

Word quickly spread that the guy running the store was armed and dangerous. Violence works.


P.S. They ended up catching the simpleton with the K9 a few blocks away. Apparently, He had made a night of ripping off sh1t so when they caught him they called me to ID my stuff and I made out like a bandit! Over $700 in cash,Two very nice gold rings, Some dvd's and an 80 gram gold necklace.

Sometimes, someone elses' crime does pay!

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Originally posted by Bible_Belt
Also consider that if someone breaks into your home and you shoot them, unless they were pointing a gun at you at the time, you may very well get sued. Even if you kill the robber, his relatives can sue. This is part of why I like my dogs better than my guns. If someone breaks down a door with a beware of dog sign on it, and then gets eaten by dogs, a judge is not going to have much sympathy. It's different when you shoot someone. Dogs attack on their own, but guns require you to make the decision to kill someone. You are only justified in using deadly force if a reasonable person would be certain that they were about to be very seriously hurt or killed. The dead guy could have a great lawyer who makes you out to be a gun-nut vigilante.
This all also depends on what state you are in and sometimes what part of the particular state you are in. Some places you have to flee from intruders, others you can stand your ground and blow their heads off.
 

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Originally posted by Page
What about shooting the guy in the knees as he's running away?

He won't get far after that, and it's not a life-threatening place to get shot.
If I am goingt o shoot someone, I am not going to risk them coming back one day and killing me.. I'm shooting to kill. However I never wish I have to shoot anyone, I would hate to take someones life, but I'll be damned if I shoot someone in the knee and they shoot me in the head 2 years later
 

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Originally posted by Alicorn
This all also depends on what state you are in and sometimes what part of the particular state you are in. Some places you have to flee from intruders, others you can stand your ground and blow their heads off.
Look..

If my life is in danager.. I'm shooting someone in the chest mutliple times.. it's just as simple as that. **** the law... It will figure itself out.

If i have a permit for a gun, and someone is breaking in my house and I bus 2 or 3 caps in them, no one in their right mind would send me to prison. Or so I hope, but at least Iw ould be alive.
 

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Yes, the laws vary by state. Generally, there is no duty to retreat before using deadly force in your own home when you feel you are imminent physical danger and this belief is reasonable. It's called the "castle exception." Florida has recently gone so far as to remove the duty to retreat when using deadly force anywhere. Opponents call it the "shoot first" law. I dealt with Florida road rage for several years, and I think I have been in multiple road rage incidents where I would have been legally justified in shooting someone under the new law, not that it would have been a great idea. If you are in Florida, don't ever jump out of your car and start screaming at someone, even if they do the same. You are likely to get shot.

For criminal law (going to jail), statutes control. For civil law, which is getting sued, reasonableness and the ordinary reasonable person standard are controlling.

This is a good generic article about self-defense law:
http://tkdtutor.com/07Defense/Laws.htm
 

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Things I learned yesterday while shooting:

For people who live in Illinois, your gun card has to be signed on the nearly-invisible line or it is a $75 fine. The clerk at the store showed me. Also in IL, it is illegal to have more than three rounds loaded into a shotgun. This may be the world's dumbest gun law, especially considering that every shotgun in the world holds more rounds than that.

Everyone will tell you that practice is important, but I saw how important this is when trying to shoot friends' guns and watching them try to shoot mine. In a confrontation, I think I would rather have a hammer than I gun I had never shot, because I would end up using the gun as a hammer after not being able to get the thing to shoot.

And clay pigeons are more fun from a hand thrower, especially when the person throwing is bad at it. The big chucks of clay left over make good target practice for a pistol.
 
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