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Hi everyone, not been internetting much recently. Need advice now

So there's this woman I've been seeing for five weeks. Pretty, very intelligent - psychologist, have a lot of laughs, great sex - though at first the sex was problematic as I was coming off some anti-depressants due to my brothers suicide attempts. Heavy, but relevant.

Four (quite intense, heavy contact) weeks in she says she doesn't want to continue if there's no emotional attachment from me. I say there have been some doubts, I check out my potential relationships before emotionally investing, and maybe was emotionally distant due to these anti-depressants (which I stopped taking when I realised they were affecting my libido - I wasn't depressed anyway, stressed yes about my bro, and I wanted to try them so I could get my brother onto them, to save his life.)

So I said I would search my feelings,m address my doubts and let her know if I was into this relationship, or wasting her time. I concluded I was into her, and told her. A great weekend followed.

Then the next day I had to go to my exes to drop off some of her stuff. I knew the new one had jealousy issues about her, and thought I was still into her, or she (the ex) might be into disrupting our relationship, but neither of those are true. We are just friendly with each other now. So, out of honesty I tell her, and she flips out.

I say fine I will do it as quickly as possible, or put it off, I just wanted to clear out anything that will be in the way of 'us' and give the ex no more reason to call. Not good enough. We're finished.

We talked all night, I reassured her I had feelings for her, was into our relationship, and even conceded if it meant that much to her I'd avoid any more contact with ex. She vacillated, but stuck to the break-up. She said she'd been into me when I wasn't, felt rejected, and now is feeling it less, and doesn't want a bf with some ex lurking about or the bond isn't strong enough for the hassle. I sensed tests and I think I passed them. But still she is saying it's over.

Soooo... what do I want to avoid in any relationships - jealousy, controlling behaviour, unfairness, drama... and I got it all last night. An ideal problem solver would say 'hey, I'd rather you didn't see your ex, ok?' and I would've listened. A woman with high-interest would not be playing the break-up card, twice. Unless she was scared of getting hurt. A cliche which is rarely the case, but could well be in this one.

So I should Next? We have a lot in common (including both being adopted, a big deal that you non-afopteds might not realise) and I sense a rare, great relationship is possible... and will be sad if this ends like this, over nothing. I rarely find a decent LTR candidate, so am not going to walk away at the drop of a hat - and neither can I beg her to give me another chance of course.

She's been texting me today, she's confused, I'm sensing she's open to another try if I keep saying the right things, but I have my DJ way of looking at this whole situation too. As do you I hope, and I'd like to hear it.
 

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I wouldn't have backed down...

I would of said if you cant trust me to drop stuff at my ex's place even after I tell you before hand then we should go ahead and break it off...


seriously.. who needs that in a relationship...
 

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Don't back off over it - in fact I would go on the attack....

You need to break it off with her, and tell her it's because she's trying to control you - which in fact she is.

If you back down now, it will only get worse.

I know it's tough to do - but you need to do it for the long term. If she's a psychologist, she's not a very good one.

Nip it in the bud. you don't need it.
 

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Should you NEXT?? Sounds like she already nexted you.

Couple questions: If this chick is a psychologist, what's with her intense jealousy? I would think she might be more objective about the problem.

Is there more to the story here? It seems a bit over the top that she would break it off because you had to go drop some stuff off at your ex's house. I sense this wasnt the only incident...
 

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Colossus said:
Should you NEXT?? Sounds like she already nexted you.

Couple questions: If this chick is a psychologist, what's with her intense jealousy? I would think she might be more objective about the problem.

Is there more to the story here? It seems a bit over the top that she would break it off because you had to go drop some stuff off at your ex's house. I sense this wasnt the only incident...
I agree. Sounds like you came on too heavy in the beginning and she's trying to get rid of you by putting the blame on you. This little "deal" with your ex is just the ticket for her.
 

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>> she says she doesn't want to continue if there's no emotional attachment from me. I say there have been some doubts>>

Don't talk seriously about your feelings. And don't tell them you have "doubts". Whatever you tell a woman goes on a permanent record and will be used against you at some point. What comes out of your mouth when you're with her should be all positives and fun.

>> So, out of honesty I tell her,>>

No, that was out of "openness". "Honesty" and "openness" are two different things. I honestly think your a$$ is fat, baby. Telling her that is being open. You can be honest, but you don't have to open... especially when being open about something doesn't get you closer to your goals.

>> I reassured her I had feelings for her, was into our relationship, and even conceded if it meant that much to her I'd avoid any more contact with ex.>>

You see what happens when you're open?

>> doesn't want a bf with some ex lurking about or the bond isn't strong enough for the hassle. I sensed tests >>

Yeah, yeah, yeah,. everything they do is a "test" to you guys. I'd say that she's perfectly RIGHT in not wanting someone who's contacting his ex. You should've just taken care of business with your ex, and not said a thing to this one, knowing how jealous she could get. Again, being "open", if it impedes you, doesn't make any sense to do.

>> A woman with high-interest would not be playing the break-up card,>>

That's not entirely so. A woman can have high interest, BUT come across a deal killer. Then she has to lose that interest, knowing that she has to get out. And women can do that.

This one though is hanging in a bit. Though I don't buy her admission of being "confused", it's probably a safe bet that she's emotionally attached some to you and doesn't want to let you go, even though she knows she must. Just because she's a shrink doesn't mean she has a handle on her emotions. In fact, shrinks get into some predicaments in their love lives.

Actually sounds more like she has some issues...

But look, if you want to try to keep her around, just tell her you're getting your ex's stuff out because you CAN'T STAND having your ex's crap around one second longer, the ex wasn't getting around to it any time so you had to do it - and then you're DONE with the ex forever.

And then force your mouth to stay closed about doubts, apprehensions and other women, will ya?
 

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I see way too much heaviness and drama for such a new relationship. Lots of sex early on virtually guarantees a blow back that involves resentment of one kind or another. And she may have good reasons, that you did not divulge, for her to be jealous of the X. Regardless Since she is still in contact, I foresee lots of back and forth, push pull relationship drama, and probably a lot of make up sex! just ahead. If you stay together, I believe that relationship drama and heavy talks about where "you guys are" will be an ongoing theme. If you crave drama and lots of push pull that "works over" your emotions, as a prime feature of your intimate relationships, this should fit the bill.
 
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This girl sounds psycho....just run away. Most girls would be happy if you were dropping off stuff to an ex's. Its a sign you are over her...but not this chick. She has major trust and co dependancy issues.
 

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Good answers.

To be fair, her issue is not just I was dropping my stuff over, it was that the day after our 'all-important' make or break romantic weekend I plan to spend 'the evening' (a couple of hours tops, including driving) with my ex. So jealous and controlling, yes, in this instance. Psycho? - so many women are jealous about their partners previous ex it's like ruling out 80% of the women. Still, red flag. Drama red flag. I don't want any of that. But the rest of the five weeks has been fun and drama free. But maybe she's been on her best behaviour.

She's calling tonight. It all depends how that goes. If she's calmed down and is rational (and her texts today were a different story to last night), I will say I'm still open to going forward. But I also know I need to make her worry about losing me - and doubters, I'm pretty sure her interest is still high really. If it's not, whatever.

Women would say she needs reassurance. I gave her that. SoSuave would say Next her and watch her interest rise. I can see both angles, but can't think of a cunning way to display both, or know my feelings well enough right now as to what I actually want. Its been a rough weekend, and like some of you say, it suggests a drama-filled relationship. But it also might be some shyt-test stuff that will evaporate and she really is a great fun girl that I like a lot in every other way apart from the issue at hand.
 

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Update - mucho reassurance working, so far. Awesome sex doesn't hurt either - she described last night's as the best ever, a sure indication that after the reassurance she can begin to relax and enjoy the ride.
 

If you want to talk, talk to your friends. If you want a girl to like you, listen to her, ask questions, and act like you are on the edge of your seat.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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its womaneze for 'i want you to fight for me and this relationship'. its a test for you. If you agree to what she says, she sees you are really emotionally invested in her and care about her and her feelings if you would do this for her. If you don't do it, then she rationalizes in her head you arent the right guy for her because you didnt value her 'feelings'. Either way, if you want to keep this girl, it sounds like you'll have to ditch the ex. I dont think this will die down for you...and it will keep on coming back up at later times even if you think things are alright now. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
 

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Just don't get into the habit of providing all this "reassurance" when it isn't necessary. You've done absolutely nothing wrong and there's no reason you should have to do that just because she's jealous.

I have a friend who recently got engaged and his wife always asks him sh-t like "are you cheating on me?" for really stupid things but it works like a charm on him because then he feels he has to explain himself and be all apologetic even though he's done nothing wrong.

It's a power play. If she knows she can bend you to her will by pulling this stuff she's going to keep doing it, and why not if it works?
 

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That or she could be like the psychologist chick on Saving Silverman and slowly be twisting your mind into making you a slave.
 

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So, funny thing.

Seven weeks in and we both agree neither of us is feeling the 'spark.' We have loads in common, really respect and really really like each other, have great times and great sex, but neither of us wants to go to the relationship stage. Looks great on paper, but its just nice and warm rather than hot.

Both of us agree that after seven weeks there should be more butterflies, some indication that we might be, or would ever be, 'in love.' Without that, a boyfriend/girlfriend deal seems pointless.

So we're just going to be friends with benefits. Suits me. Thanks for the advice though.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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This should be interesting. Keep us posted. (not to jinx but will be interesting to see how it works out :) )

Good luck
 

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"So I should Next?"

Yep and you shouldn't be dating psychologists to begin with.

Most of them got into the profession because they are the walking wounded and still very fvcked up with whatever issue led them to the job in the first place to figure themselves out and their problems.

Not ALL are fvcked up of course but most are.

How do I know this?

I've researched it, read it in books and heard it from the mouths of many mental health professionals about their "colleagues".

Also do you really want someone in your life who is going to analyze you all the time even if they don't make that reality expressly clear?

Its what psychologists do.

If you're like most relationship agenda guys here you'd much rather have a woman whose not so much about getting inside your head as she is about simply enjoying her time with you and loving you.
 

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The way that you had intense sex with her early on, plus her fears of abandonment, would lead me to suspect that she could have borderline personality disorder. Being adopted could have been the chronic abandonment event that caused it. 99% of borderlines are women. They tend to be intelligent, charismatic, and good in bed. They also tend to work in the helping professions like counselor or psychologist. BPD girls have to have drama all the time. If she is not getting her fix with you, that could be the reason she is not that into you.

Does she abuse any substances? chain smoke? Long history of relationship drama? Bad with money?

To get rejected by a bpd girl is actually a vote for your normalcy. They can only be happy with someone who is equally messed up.
 

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No, she's not BPD - my last gf was a bit and this one isn't. But the mystery is solved. There was another guy in her head - someone thats been (mostly) unavailable for the last three years, and is suddenly available.

So she didn't tell me til the other day, and has been struggling with her choice. That explains a lot of the pressure on me to commit, because she was looking for a way out or a reason to forget this guy.

She says she doesn't think it would ever work with this other guy, but he's been an escape fantasy for a while. She's seeing it like an addiction she needs to break, rather than a real relationship option. And if you're thinking that I might be the nice guy in this scenario who is going to lose the girl to the bad boy unavailable alpha, it's not that simple. I'm not that nice, and he's as much needy as alpha, and fulfils some mutual escapist fantasy that she says she recognises has been a projection on both their parts when each had unsatisfying relationships. Now she has a satisfying relationship with me, she's not going to throw it away for him. If there was no spark between us, she'd give it a go, and I understand that. But when we were faced with splitting, both of us began valuing the other more and the 'spark' and the closeness etc is more there than ever.

I suspected there was something missing from the equation that I didn't know about, and guessed it might be another potential suitor. Now that it's been discussed I know the score. Of course when she told me I said a big part of me says I don't need this mess, so choose. And she's chosen me. And I've made it clear that while I like her a lot, she is eminently nextable if she misbehaves. But it's going better than ever, so time will tell.

Appreciate all the advice though, keep it coming.
 

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But the mystery is solved. There was another guy
Recall I wrote that "A woman can have high interest, BUT come across a deal killer. Then she has to lose that interest, knowing that she has to get out. And women can do that." and it seems to me she went back to find a known entity to fall back on in case she had to exit.

So she didn't tell me til the other day, and has been struggling with her choice.

She says she doesn't think it would ever work with this other guy, but he's been an escape fantasy for a while.

fulfils some mutual escapist fantasy that she says she recognises has been a projection on both their parts

That explains a lot of the pressure on me to commit, because she was looking for a way out or a reason to forget this guy.
This is all a smokescreen/excuses and it got the results she apparently wanted. Namely, you. And cleverly too. She made you think it was your idea:

I said a big part of me says I don't need this mess, so choose. And she's chosen me. And I've made it clear that while I like her a lot
And if that wasn't her motive, then it's you that will be nexted when you "misbehave" because then her motive was to escape becoming the potential Dumpee (if you went back to your ex) and become the potential Dumper (because she has a branch on hold to swing to).
 
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