new pickup line for you non-afc's

[pokie87]

If you say it in the right way she will know you are joking and if she doesnt then she must not have a sense of humour and therefore probably isnt worth the effort anyway.

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by pokie87
I dont agree with this. I have had a lot of success with indirect openers followed by ****y and funny. 'Hi, I saw you and I'd like to get to know you.' That is a bit of a wussy statement and she is more likely to have heard that than any opinion opener. The shield then goes up and you are told to get lost like all the rest.

No, a wussy opener is one where you don't have the balls to say why you're really approaching her - because you want to get to know her and to F*** her.

These women know why we are asking them the time, or who lies more, or whatever, so why beat around the bush?

Indirect can and does work, but direct works better.

If you use a direct opener in an afc way, then yes, it will sound like a bit of a wussy statement.

If you say it in a confident manner, in a way where you've already assumed attraction, it doesn't.

You can see the difference, right?

And if she tells you to get lost, then it's a perfect oppurtunity to pass her little $h!T test.

win-win situation.

And just because I tell a woman that I would like to get to know her doesn't stop me from qualifying her and busting her balls with some C&F

 

[Luveno]

Recluse,



It should be emphazised that an opening line does NOT guarantee a pick up. Imagine if it did....


Guy: Hey baby, you're hotter than the watch I just bought from the sketchy guy outside.

Girl: Oh, that was a good opener. Lets have sex.

Guy: Only if you pay for the cab.






So, based on that, my question to you Recluse is, what did you do between the opener and bringing her home?


Kudos for this train of thought:

If you use a direct opener in an afc way, then yes, it will sound like a bit of a wussy statement.If you say it in a confident manner, in a way where you've already assumed attraction, it doesn't.

That's right. Assume the sale.

 

[pokie87]

Originally posted by Derek Flint
No, a wussy opener is one where you don't have the balls to say why you're really approaching her - because you want to get to know her and to F*** her.

These women know why we are asking them the time, or who lies more, or whatever, so why beat around the bush?

Indirect can and does work, but direct works better.

If you use a direct opener in an afc way, then yes, it will sound like a bit of a wussy statement.

If you say it in a confident manner, in a way where you've already assumed attraction, it doesn't.

You can see the difference, right?

And if she tells you to get lost, then it's a perfect oppurtunity to pass her little $h!T test.

win-win situation.

And just because I tell a woman that I would like to get to know her doesn't stop me from qualifying her and busting her balls with some C&F

Ok you have convinced me to try the direct approac although indirect has worked for me in the past. Might as well try it and see what works best for me. Ye only like 6% is the actual words so it doesnt matter what is being said as long as you are facing away from her and have confident body language and voice projection.

 

[Derek Flint]

Actually, instead of me saying "Direct works better than indirect" I should have said "Do what works best for you" but try different things.

I've found that direct, along with C&F works better for me because it matches my personality.

And with the right body language, tonality and confidence, any opener will pretty much do - I just prefer ones that are more upfront and honest about my intentions.

Saves a lot of time which is important as I don't get out nearly as much as I'd like due to various commitments/responsibilities, and women seem to respond more favorably to the no - nonesense approach.

 

[Derek Flint]

That's right. Assume the sale.

Exactly. Do things like hand her your cell phone near the end of your initial conversation so she can input her number.

You don't even have to say anything, she'll figure it out.

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by pokie87
Ok you have convinced me to try the direct approac although indirect has worked for me in the past. Might as well try it and see what works best for me. Ye only like 6% is the actual words so it doesnt matter what is being said as long as you are facing away from her and have confident body language and voice projection.

I'm not sure why you would be facing away from her as opposed to looking her right in the eye with a lot of confidence as doing so won't work with a direct approach.

I just don't buy into the whole "faking disinterest" stuff as it isn't congruent with the outcome that you are trying to achieve, and at some point, you are going to have to show interest if you want to take it to the next level.

Again, if it works for you - great, but it seems like a lot of extra work to achieve the same end result.

PU isn't really that complicated, but some people make it seem that way so they can sell us the next "magic bullet" e-book, or DVD set or seminar/bootcamp.

 

[pokie87]

Ye in the David Deangelo he says for the body language to not be so intrusive and kind of facing away from the target.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by Derek Flint
I just don't buy into the whole "faking disinterest" stuff as it isn't congruent with the outcome that you are trying to achieve, and at some point, you are going to have to show interest if you want to take it to the next level.

PU isn't really that complicated, but some people make it seem that way so they can sell us the next "magic bullet" e-book, or DVD set or seminar/bootcamp.

Quite a good point - if she is interested she'll respond. Otherwise why bother? Right.

Though I think women who will reposnd to this approach will be a) very gutsy b) very interested in you c) they will judge you based on your looks\clothes only since she'll have to respond right away with "yes\no".

Nothing wrong with a) and b) but c)??? Give her some time to see at least how you speak....if you are intelligent ot not, confident or not. Thats what people use indirect openers for... to present yourself to her, more then just looks\clothes thing.
I am sure it is of an equal importantce to her - if HOW you speak...what kind of convo you can deliver... if you re interesting or not.
You suggest she will judge you only by looks?

 

[Delta Male]

al77 -- The direct opener does force women to judge you right off the bat. But this is a good thing! If you have positivie inner beliefs, you will telegraph it through your style, BL, and voice. Even if you are not good looking, you can open almost as many sets as with indirect openers with direct openers, and have a much higher closing percentage.

I find it best to open with something that is natural and congruent with your intentions. If something pops into your head and you say it, that's fine. However, if you read something off the internet and recite it to her, it will come off as ingenuine. Don't fake disinterest.

-Dan

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by al77
Quite a good point - if she is interested she'll respond. Otherwise why bother? Right.

Though I think women who will reposnd to this approach will be a) very gutsy b) very interested in you c) they will judge you based on your looks\clothes only since she'll have to respond right away with "yes\no".

Nothing wrong with a) and b) but c)??? Give her some time to see at least how you speak....if you are intelligent ot not, confident or not. Thats what people use indirect openers for... to present yourself to her, more then just looks\clothes thing.
I am sure it is of an equal importantce to her - if HOW you speak...what kind of convo you can deliver... if you re interesting or not.
You suggest she will judge you only by looks?

The thing about Direct, is that it instantly creates attraction if done right, wheareas with indirect, one must go thru numerous "routines" to achieve attraction.

You still have to create some attraction as well as creating comfort and rapport, but when you go direct, it speaks volumes about who you are and what you're about.

When I go direct, the reaction I sometimes get from women is like "Finally - a real Man. Someone who knows what he wants and isn't afraid to go for it."

You can see it in their facial expression and body language.

Therefore, her attraction to you is based on your actions and not so much as your looks.

Not that direct isn't flawless, but when you go direct, it seems to trigger the "Alpha male attraction" mechanism in women if done correctly, which includes correct body language, tonality, confidence, having a strong frame etc...

Also, she doesn't have to judge you/respond to you right away with a yes or no.

After you open, you still have to create comfort and rapport, as well as some attraction, although usually, a direct opener will make you more attractive than the guys who don't.

Indirect is almost as if you are hiding your intentions and your wants and needs as a Man, which isn't an attractvie quality.

 

[pokie87]

Ye but dont lots of guys use direct like just saying 'hi give me your number?' So when a girl hears this she automatically puts them in the no category. Especially with 9's and 10's. I can imagine direct working wiv 7's and below and maybe even some 8's but not on 9's or 10's.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by Delta Male
al77 -- The direct opener does force women to judge you right off the bat. But this is a good thing! If you have positivie inner beliefs, you will telegraph it through your style, BL, and voice.

Even if you are not good looking, you can open almost as many sets as with indirect openers with direct openers, and have a much higher closing percentage.

I find it best to open with something that is natural and congruent with your intentions.

Yes they do judge you right off the bat... but what they judge?
Not YOU! They judge what they see a) your looks b) your clothes c) your action (gutsy-bold approach).

Now I assume we all agree that we do not aim to be judge by looks. So with the direct opener you want her to judge you by...how direct you are? Well, being direct is ok, but it is not somehting attractive. It is like being curious - not something bad but not good either.

Moreover practially speaking if you go with direct opener to some HB8-10 who usually were hit on a LOT,
how do you think she will respond?

 

[pokie87]

Originally posted by al77
Yes they do judge you right off the bat... but what they judge?
Not YOU! They judge what they see a) your looks b) your clothes c) your action (gutsy-bold approach).

Now I assume we all agree that we do not aim to be judge by looks. So with the direct opener you want her to judge you by...how direct you are? Well, being direct is ok, but it is not somehting attractive. It is like being curious - not something bad but not good either.

Moreover practially speaking if you go with direct opener to some HB8-10 who usually were hit on a LOT,
how do you think she will respond?

Ye i thought the same thing. Agree with you. Sure direct works on 7's and below and maybe some 8's but on most 8's 9's 10's not gonna work. Mite work on 10's if u look like brad pitt.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by Derek Flint
When I go direct, the reaction I sometimes get from women is like "Finally - a real Man. Someone who knows what he wants and isn't afraid to go for it."

Therefore, her attraction to you is based on your actions and not so much as your looks.

Not that direct isn't flawless, but when you go direct, it seems to trigger the "Alpha male attraction" mechanism in women if done correctly, which includes correct body language, tonality, confidence, having a strong frame etc...

Indirect is almost as if you are hiding your intentions and your wants and needs as a Man, which isn't an attractvie quality.

Point taken.
You want her to judge you by the gutsy approach. If she is not hit on a lot i.e. not very cute, she wont care much what openr you use, she'll be glad anyway.

If she is average and above, she is hit on a LOT! She heard all kind of indirect and direct approaches, and she is tired of being approached with banal openers. I am sorry, but that direct opener is not qualified to be a creative one. Her reaction? "another boring approach. and another (she conclude) boring guys". You might have PhD in humor, but once you said same trite opener, she might think you have never heard a joke and can't think.

What you are saying is true though - yes, it rigger some alpha mechanish,, yes with indirect you seem hindin the intention. All true. But who you aim it at? What kind of girls? Attractive ones are tired of uncreative openers, not very attractive will be happy to hear anything.
What makes you think HB 8-10 will respond to somehting they heard like 100 times already? What'll happen is she'll obvious will judge the rest what she sees - your looks! and here we go again - do you want to be judge by your looks only?
Of course not.
Do I miss something?

 

[al77]

Originally posted by pokie87
Ye i thought the same thing. Agree with you. Sure direct works on 7's and below and maybe some 8's but on most 8's 9's 10's not gonna work. Mite work on 10's if u look like brad pitt.

HB6-8 are approached a lot too. Do they hear direct openers? Sure, a lot. They hear a banal phrase - they judge a guy by his looks since they see he could not come up with somehing decently creative or at least just decent comments about somehting.

What will make this direct opener stand out then?

 

[pokie87]

Originally posted by al77
HB6-8 are approached a lot too. Do they hear direct openers? Sure, a lot. They hear a banal phrase - they judge a guy by his looks since they see he could not come up with somehing decently creative or at least just decent comments about somehting.

What will make this direct opener stand out then?

I dont use direct openers, it was another guy who suggested it earlier instead of one of my indirect openers. I prefer indirect as by the time you are finished you are already in a conversation with them and have gained their attention especially if its funny.

 

[Derek Flint]

How many guys approach 8's, 9's and 10's while sober?

And, with a strong frame, good body language, good tonality and confidence?

Very, very few.

You guys are missing the point - the actual opener is only a small part of it.

It's not so much what direct opener you use, it's how you use it.

The myth that direct doesn't work on 8's, 9's and 10's is just that, a myth.

Do you think the only guys getting these girls are the one's using indirect, opinion openers?

Or guys with huge social proof, such as money, status, looks etc...?

If so, then everthing you've learned here on sosuave has gone to waste.

Again, it doesn't matter is she's heard the opener before or not - is she going to be more attracted to you because of a creative opening line, or by the fact that you have the balls and the confidence to stroll right up to her while others don't,, look her in the eyes, tell her that you think she's attractive and that you would like to get to know her, and to not be intimidated by her?

Again, how many guys have the balls to do that?

Very, very few - that's how many.

The average guy in a bar or club rarely approaches these types of girls while sober, and when he does, he gushes over how gorgeous she is, and how she must have a boyfriend, and offers to buy her drinks, and dinners and basically kisses her azz, like 95% of the guys out there do.

Creativity is over-rated when it comes to approaching.

Too many guys are busting their own balls, trying to come up with the "perfect" opener when instead, all it takes is a basic, direct opener delivered with confidence.

And I speak from experience on this.

I can recall numerous times seeing a HB in a club, but not approaching because I couldn't think up a brilliant opener, when all I had to do was to basically walk up and say something like "Hi, I noticed you and I would like to get to know you"

Do looks matter?

Yes, but so do other things like confidence.

Again, I've done both direct and indirect.

Granted, I've done far more indirect than direct, but recently, I've gravitated towards direct and there is quite a difference in the way the women respond.

This weekend, grab your balls,and go out and approach women using a direct style, with confidence, good body language, good tonality and a strong frame.

Or don't.

 

[pokie87]

Originally posted by Derek Flint
How many guys approach 8's, 9's and 10's while sober?

And, with a strong frame, good body language, good tonality and confidence?

Very, very few.

You guys are missing the point - the actual opener is only a small part of it.

It's not so much what direct opener you use, it's how you use it.

The myth that direct doesn't work on 8's, 9's and 10's is just that, a myth.

Do you think the only guys getting these girls are the one's using indirect, opinion openers?

Or guys with huge social proof, such as money, status, looks etc...?

If so, then everthing you've learned here on sosuave has gone to waste.

Again, it doesn't matter is she's heard the opener before or not - is she going to be more attracted to you because of a creative opening line, or by the fact that you have the balls and the confidence to stroll right up to her while others don't,, look her in the eyes, tell her that you think she's attractive and that you would like to get to know her, and to not be intimidated by her?

Again, how many guys have the balls to do that?

Very, very few - that's how many.

The average guy in a bar or club rarely approaches these types of girls while sober, and when he does, he gushes over how gorgeous she is, and how she must have a boyfriend, and offers to buy her drinks, and dinners and basically kisses her azz, like 95% of the guys out there do.

Creativity is over-rated when it comes to approaching.

Too many guys are busting their own balls, trying to come up with the "perfect" opener when instead, all it takes is a basic, direct opener delivered with confidence.

And I speak from experience on this.

I can recall numerous times seeing a HB in a club, but not approaching because I couldn't think up a brilliant opener, when all I had to do was to basically walk up and say something like "Hi, I noticed you and I would like to get to know you"

Do looks matter?

Yes, but so do other things like confidence.

Again, I've done both direct and indirect.

Granted, I've done far more indirect than direct, but recently, I've gravitated towards direct and there is quite a difference in the way the women respond.

This weekend, grab your balls,and go out and approach women using a direct style, with confidence, good body language, good tonality and a strong frame.

Or don't.

When your game is good enough it doesnt matter what you use. It sounds like that is what happened to you. When you were starting out indirect worker and gave you confidence and then it actually became a part of you so you were able to just use direct. A lot of people arent at that stage yet and indirect is a way of getting there.

 

[Derek Flint]

Originally posted by al77
HB6-8 are approached a lot too. Do they hear direct openers? Sure, a lot. They hear a banal phrase - they judge a guy by his looks since they see he could not come up with somehing decently creative or at least just decent comments about somehting.

What will make this direct opener stand out then?

As someone else on this forum said, "It means having to balls to stop being an excuser and hiding behind techniques designed to fake like you're not interested."

Indirect is almost like the guy who has the waitress deliver a drink to his target instead of just walking up to her and approaching and opening her.