Never make it too straight forward for her

[Hamurabimbi]

I saw recently some videos about how guys that had a bellow average face, with the proper clothes, haircut and colors become better looking

As a guy, if you really want to looks max, for sure hiring someone to help you out with clothes, haircut and clothes color will have a good ROI

women do it all the time, if they also add makeup then they can become from a 4 an 8 easily

One can gain a point in looks with just soft looksmaxxing.
Losing weight is probably the most important.

 

[Gamisch]

Your physique and height may be able to compensate for a less than desirable face.

Unless your face is absolutely hideous, if you hit the gym and build muscle you should be able to get in the game.

I agree.

Assuming a man does NOT have a steady long lasting LTR, it's always also a matter of "when everything is equal ". When you have a decent face but a dad bod, you will get replaced by a man with the same decent face but a better body. Same for money ,status ect. Its just the game.

Eventually you WILL run into a situation where you gonna be sorry you didn't "unlock" that extra feature you're missing. Especially when you do want one to stay a little longer aka catching feelz..(which is inherent to dealing with women). You might regret never hitting the gym, never saving money or never working in your style when you lose a great woman due to bs like that.

Confidence and overall demeanor also goes a long way, but most men need stuff like a good body and some cash to feel better about themselves.

There's also a case to be made about men who go through life without any struggle and marry young ,only to find out later she actually DID preferred that one ripped dude after all...those men will say F the redpill and will say "just be confident " .

 

[plumber]

I saw recently some videos about how guys that had a bellow average face, with the proper clothes, haircut and colors become better looking

As a guy, if you really want to looks max, for sure hiring someone to help you out with clothes, haircut and clothes color will have a good ROI

women do it all the time, if they also add makeup then they can become from a 4 an 8 easily

clothes are a big deal. guys often spend on cars or other high cost to gain points.

cars fit into money category. clothing fits into attraction category.

maybe clothing should be #4, as bad clothing can get an otherwise ok guy eliminated.

 

[Bigpapa]

clothes are a big deal. guys often spend on cars or other high cost to gain points.

cars fit into money category. clothing fits into attraction category.

maybe clothing should be #4, as bad clothing can get an otherwise ok guy eliminated.

Depends on the angle, but for sure looks > money

so unless money is really not a problem, better to put the money into the looks category as most of the things that will have a big impact are not that expensive

then if you really have extra money, better to put into plastic surgery than into money/ status category

I think that money/status should be something that should be touched towards the end, unless you have a thing for gold diggers / h00kers

as an idea, if the new bmw is 60k, with 60k put into your style / plastic surgery you can do a lot of things surgical or not that will have a way better ROI than the new bmw

I think that with 100k put into plastic surgery you should become above average in terms of looks and in theory average and sometimes above average girls should not be Problematic ( unless you are a moron )

you can go to cheap countries where the quality is good like Brazil / Venezuela / Cuba / Thailand to get the most for your bucks

Also, from my point of view if you live in a big city in a developed country, you do not really need a car to get by. It is really stressful to own a car in a big city , and in developed countries public transport is at least decent if not really good

 

[jhonny9546]

It's idiotic guys and threads like this that spread misinformation and send guys down the wrong path.

Do you consider this approach direct or indirect?

A guy meets a girl, and they stay in touch, but they don't date. She's with another guy who happens to be this guy's teammate. They break up, and now the guy comes into the picture, talking to her and claiming that the other guy didn't really think she was cute. Now, he’s her confidant.

The two text each other frequently, and he asks her if she has any female friends available because he's single and looking for a GF. She suggests a few friends, but he declines, saying, "No to that one; I've already been there," and "No to that other one; she's not that great." After some back-and-forth, she asks him, "But what about Jennifer? Is Jennifer free?" This girl's name is Jennifer, and she says yes to going out. They are still togheter after 5 years.

So, this guy wanted her from the beginning, but he made it seem as if she had chosen him in her mind.

What do you think of this approach?

 

[jhonny9546]

When you have a decent face but a dad bod, you will get replaced by a man with the same decent face but a better body. Same for money ,status ect. Its just the game.

It's not a global phenomenon, but this has happened to me since I'm single. After I've worked on improving my appearance, I've noticed that married women with taller partners than me (I should remind you that I'm quite short at 165 cm) have shown interest in me. Their partners are typically around 180 cm to 185 cm tall, which seems to be a choice influenced by their fathers' heights.

However, as soon as these women spend just 10 minutes alone with me doing something together, I can definitely feel their attraction growing stronger. That said, I don't date married women or those with children; I believe it's a lose-lose situation.

This brings me to the point that height is very relevant for women who had tall fathers and may need that height to feel safe. However, preferences are subjective. You might find a woman who is considered a "10" attracted to shorter men because her father is short, while another woman who rates a "6" might prefer taller men because her father is tall.

Ultimately, you need to figure out which of these women is willing to commit the most. Just because someone is better looking doesn't mean she doesn't care about you; it all comes down to her personal preferences.